Re: [RBW] New tire

[Jim Bronson]

The Michelin Pro 2/3/4 Race/Endurance are great tires if you can get them
for a reasonable price.  I just don't have a bike anymore that they are
suitable for.  I don't run anything under 38mm.  But when I did have a bike
that would take 28s I ran the "25" labeled version for a number of years
with highly satisfactory results.
On Mar 2, 2016 7:56 PM, "Don Compton"  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one(
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb.
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Patrick Moore]

So, rather different than the 23 mm Pro Race *Service Course.* I would be
interested in trying them, if they were made in 559 X 28+. To save ~$500 on
my next 6 pairs of tires ...

Aside: I briefly tried Schwalbe's 559 X ~33 mm Kojak *tubeless* on my EQ 21
rims. They ride much differently sans tube than with even a light sub 90
gram 650C X 23 mm tube. Alas, while they maintained a seal while under
sufficient pressure, when they deflated, the seal released, and I could not
get it back with a hand pump -- which made the arrangement useless for my
purposes -- I don't want to be left 20 miles from home, on some isolated
dirt road, with no option but to install a tube in the messy tire -- and
risk further flats with no further recourse.

It's too bad, because the ~32-33 mm softness of the un-be-tubed Kojak was
almost as good in feel as, and better in sand/dirt/gravel traction than,
the tubed Elk Pass. Compass does not make the EP in tubeless form.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 8:43 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> Pat,
> The new Michelen that I bought is a new tire. Max lbs 85, min 57. I have
> used Grand Bois Cerfs for years and have always liked them. But, I was
> lured into giving the Michelens a try. I really like them. I don't ride off
> road much ( although I rode on a 2 mile stretch of gravel on Monday), but
> our roads have a lot of potholes and just plain bad pavement. The 28 size
> at the 62f,72r works for me on any road surface.
> Don
>
> On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
>>> tires, no flat protection included.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>>>
 This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C
 X 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk
 Pass ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims,
 the Compass ~28 mm.

 The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3)
 175 grams.

 The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.

 *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to
 pedal a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the
 last with cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.

 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
 ain't *that* a horrible image).

 Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
 Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
 $1K's worth.

 On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western 
> Bikeworks
> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>
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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Don Compton]

Pat,
The new Michelen that I bought is a new tire. Max lbs 85, min 57. I have 
used Grand Bois Cerfs for years and have always liked them. But, I was 
lured into giving the Michelens a try. I really like them. I don't ride off 
road much ( although I rode on a 2 mile stretch of gravel on Monday), but 
our roads have a lot of potholes and just plain bad pavement. The 28 size 
at the 62f,72r works for me on any road surface.
Don

On Wednesday, March 2, 2016 at 6:18:24 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing 
>> tires, no flat protection included.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore > > wrote:
>>
>>> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X 
>>> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass 
>>> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the 
>>> Compass ~28 mm.
>>>
>>> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 
>>> 175 grams.
>>>
>>> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76: 
>>> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>>>
>>> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal 
>>> a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with 
>>> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions. 
>>>
>>> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and 
>>> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>>>
>>> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if 
>>> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another 
>>> $1K's worth.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton >> > wrote:
>>>
 I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new 
 one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western 
 Bikeworks 
 had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 
 Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is 
 superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.

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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Patrick Moore]

Sheesh! Not 12 pair, 6 pair, at $78/each.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:15 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
> tires, no flat protection included.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
>
>> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X
>> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
>> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
>> Compass ~28 mm.
>>
>> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
>> grams.
>>
>> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
>> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>>
>> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal
>> a very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
>> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.
>>
>> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
>> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>>
>> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
>> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
>> $1K's worth.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>>
>>> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
>>> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks
>>> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
>>> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
>>> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>>>
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>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities
>> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
>>
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>
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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Patrick Moore]

BTW, the Pro Race 4s I bought were the *Service Course"* model-- racing
tires, no flat protection included.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 7:14 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X
> 23 mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
> ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
> Compass ~28 mm.
>
> The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
> grams.
>
> The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
> 24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.
>
> *The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal a
> very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
> cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.
>
> 5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
> ain't *that* a horrible image).
>
> Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if
> Jan ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another
> $1K's worth.
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:
>
>> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new
>> one( $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks
>> had a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4
>> Endurance 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is
>> superb. And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>>
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Re: [RBW] New tire

[Patrick Moore]

This may or may not be relevant, but in case it is: I swapped the 650C X 23
mm Pro Race 4s on my Riv custom gofast with 559 X 32 mm Compass Elk Pass
ELs. The Michelins measured ~22 mm on my 19 outside to outside rims, the
Compass ~28 mm.

The Michelins weigh just under 200 grams, the EPs average (weighed 3) 175
grams.

The gear on the Michelins (46X15 fixed) is 75", that on the EPs is 76:
24.5" and 24.75" diameter respectively.

*The Elk Passes are smoother, feel faster, and seem to allow me to pedal a
very slightly higher gear with less effort,* measuring the last with
cadence compared to effort in well known conditions.

5'10" in flat feet on a polished cement floor, 170 lb buck nekkid (and
ain't *that* a horrible image).

Me, I've spent close to $1K on 12 pr of Elk Passes, to stock up, and if Jan
ever says that they are going to stop production, I'll buy another $1K's
worth.

On Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 6:56 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one(
> $70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had
> a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance
> 700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb.
> And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.
>
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[RBW] New tire

[Don Compton]

I had worn out my Grand Bois 28c rear tire and was ready to buy a new one( 
$70 shipped). So I decided to check out some prices. Western Bikeworks had 
a super sale on Michelen Pro4 tires and I bought a pair of Pro4 Endurance 
700x28's and they are super. I run 62f, 75r lbs, and the ride is superb. 
And the good news the two tires cost less than one Grand Bois.

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[RBW] New Tire Trial: Rubena V66 Flash APS

[b hamon]

For the last few weeks I've been trying out a new city/commuting tire: Rubena's 
V-66 Flash APS (Anti-Puncture System), 26 x 1.75.It is vaguely similar in 
look and tread pattern to the old-style Schwalbe Marathon (before they changed 
both their tread and their compound this last year). It also costs about half 
of what the Marathon retails for. Having ridden the 1.75 for awhile now I may 
be inclined to go down to the narrower 1.5 just to see if there's a noticable 
difference in ride feel. It certainly doesn't feel as sluggish as the newer 
version of the standard Marathon and so far I haven't had any flats.
Given the choice in terms of ride quality and wear, the Rubena seems to be a 
decent tire for the money and I think I'd opt for it over the Marathon. 
http://www.rubenatires.com/v66-flash/
I haven't talked with anyone who's running these in 700c yet but if anyone is 
and wants to chime in, feel free. 
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