Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-16 Thread Patrick Moore
My experience with the one pair of cantis that Rivendell set up and that I
used. The best brakes, all around, that I have ever -- *ever *-- used. I
wish I knew the secret.

On Sun, Aug 16, 2015 at 9:50 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:


 As usual, the brake cantilever brake setup was spot-on-perfect.  The rest
 of us are doing it wrong.




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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-16 Thread Bill Lindsay
Yesterday, errands led me out to Walnut Creek and lo and behold I did get 
to ride that 1x11 Hunqapillar.  It was dynamite, as you'd expect.  It's a 
little weird with the trigger shifter, asking myself is there another 
gear?clickok, is there another gear?click over and over and 
wondering if I'd ever get to the end of the cogset.  

As usual, the brake cantilever brake setup was spot-on-perfect.  The rest 
of us are doing it wrong.   

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:51:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-11 Thread Philip Kim
used to run a 1x9 friction my Camargue. 36 front with 11-36. With the XT RD 
that riv sells, you don't really need a chain keeper, though I put a narrow 
wide wolftooth up front. It was super easy to use, but running 38/26 now 
since I've been biking less

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-11 Thread Evan Baird
I love this setup. I've been a fan of the 1X since about 2003, and the new 1X11 
is definitely much smoother and more reliable than any of the cobbled together 
solutions I've tried in the past. I'm interested to try the Sram GX on some 
flatbar cx/mixed builds and see how people like it. I'm glad they still offer a 
grip shifter, because they work great and look so clean.

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-10 Thread RJM
It's a very nice looking set up for a Hunqapillar. My current mountain bike 
(full suspension) has 10 speed xt stuff and it is a pretty sweet group, but 
it has the double up front. I have managed to drop my chain a few times on 
that set up but after tweaking the limit screws I fixed the issue. I could 
see going with a 1x setup for some of the trails I ride and the gearing on 
that pictured Hunq looks like it would fit the bill nicely. That's just a 
really nicely executed build. 
 

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-10 Thread Ginz
It's a very cool bike.  The slight downside to a 1x11 is that it is a bit 
hard to dump a lot of gear quickly.  You have to click click click quite a 
bit.  If that bothers you, consider a 2x10.  I'm MUCH happier with a 2x10 
than I was with a 3x9.  The clutch ders have helped, too, because you 
aren't compelled to shift to the big ring to stop chain slap.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-09 Thread Ron Mc
it's not the be-all, end-all, but it's a neat idea and makes a great demo. 
 I like having 5 steps from 65 to 85, and you may not be able to do that 
on a 1x drivetrain and still have a good spread.  

On Sunday, August 9, 2015 at 6:06:17 AM UTC-5, Garth wrote:


   H , absolutely not .  I for one love using my left hand , and 
 having a FD and multiple rings .  



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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-09 Thread Garth

  H , absolutely not .  I for one love using my left hand , and 
having a FD and multiple rings .  

 While understand that everyone wants to be right ,  haha ;) , I find 
this a bit extreme in the right hand.  I for one revere my the left hand 
as much as the right and the balance of the two together, the FD as much as 
the RD, the small ring(s) as much as the large.  Heck, it's a *bicycle *!  
The only limits to it are really your own understanding of ourself . 

   So while I prefer a multiple setup , for those that want to ride a 
1xwhatever or 2,3,4xwhatever , hey . . .  it's all good , it's bike for 
goodness sake .  When it comes to the bike , the only One Way or should I 
say say Perfect bike setup , is the Unlimited , Unconditional and 
Infinite Way !


On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 8:16:42 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:



 Could this mean the end of FDs and double/triples on stock RBW builds?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-09 Thread Matthew J
 Looks like the 1x setup is lighter weight setup. 

The bike I use for heavy loaded touring is a 1x6.  Presumably it is 
somewhat more light than if I had front gear set up.  Did not give that any 
thought setting up though.  Simplicity and less maintenance.

I'm not one to shift a lot while on tour (or any riding for that matter). 
 Even when I had a full 20 gear set up, I found I only used three gears 
when I did my big West coast to Chicago trip back in '04.  Obviously other 
riding styles may not find the 1x optimal.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-09 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
I could never get friction to work to my satisfaction with a 9-speed 
drivetrain so I can't imagine what 11-speed would be like.  

I converted my 3x9 to a 1x9 and the actual weight of all the stuff I took 
off was one pound.  



On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 7:28:57 PM UTC-5, Lungimsam wrote:

 The only downside I can think of is that you may not be able to friction 
 shift over an 11-speed cassette well if the spacing is narrow. 

 Wonder what the weight savings balance is, though? 
 -1 silver shifter and pod 
 -1 cable 
 -1 ferrule 
 -1 housing 
 -1 front derailer/adapter 
 -1 to 2 chainrings 
 -1 lube for cable 
 -1/2 cable route under bb 
 -1 grease/beeswax for front silver shifter parts 
 +1.5 extra turn of bartape to push into vacant bar end hole. 
 +1 cork for the bar end 
 +3 bigger cassette cogs. 
 Looks like the 1x setup is lighter weight setup. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-09 Thread Patrick Moore
Being a fan of occasional doubles -- meaning a drivetrain that is used
mostly as a 1 X X but that has a granny ring bailout -- I've noticed that
this type of gearing lacks the convenience of a middle ring for
low-to-mid-range gears useful for steep singletrack where you want to shift
rapidly from the 20s to the 50s. If I switch to 10 in back, adding a 32
behind the current 27, I may bump up the 24 to a 28 or so in order to have
this sort of higher range in the inner ring while keeping the 25 low.

Like Ron, I like small steps in the middle ranges, on this dirt biased bike
(Fargo) between about 60 and 75.

On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 6:48 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

  Looks like the 1x setup is lighter weight setup.

 The bike I use for heavy loaded touring is a 1x6.  Presumably it is
 somewhat more light than if I had front gear set up.  Did not give that any
 thought setting up though.  Simplicity and less maintenance.

 I'm not one to shift a lot while on tour (or any riding for that matter).
 Even when I had a full 20 gear set up, I found I only used three gears when
 I did my big West coast to Chicago trip back in '04.  Obviously other
 riding styles may not find the 1x optimal.

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Tom Harrop
That is such an attractive bike. My MTB bomba (64 cm) is a similar overall 
build but the proportions on that smaller bike just look so much better.

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Deacon Patrick
I love my poser 1x 38 narrow-wide front ring. Poser because it's a 
derailerless triple in with the large ring is a rock guard, the middle is 
my nearly all the time narrow-wide, and my small is a 24t granny for steep 
bikepacking.

I don't get understand the aesthetic preference for a smaller frame with 
the bigger/fatish wheels/tires over a bike that's the right size with the 
same fattish tires. But then I don't get grains, or soap, or shoes either 
so I'm hardly bellweather on the getting of anything! Grin.

Here's the poor, under appreciated, cast to the dire wolves, tall, 
aesthetic mammoth with diagitube for Bob in one of many favorite natural 
settings with Iris in an impromptu late-spring highland bog. Grin.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/18718549461/in/dateposted-public/

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Robert Barr
Looks right at home Patrick!
On Aug 8, 2015 7:58 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I love my poser 1x 38 narrow-wide front ring. Poser because it's a
 derailerless triple in with the large ring is a rock guard, the middle is
 my nearly all the time narrow-wide, and my small is a 24t granny for steep
 bikepacking.

 I don't get understand the aesthetic preference for a smaller frame with
 the bigger/fatish wheels/tires over a bike that's the right size with the
 same fattish tires. But then I don't get grains, or soap, or shoes either
 so I'm hardly bellweather on the getting of anything! Grin.

 Here's the poor, under appreciated, cast to the dire wolves, tall,
 aesthetic mammoth with diagitube for Bob in one of many favorite natural
 settings with Iris in an impromptu late-spring highland bog. Grin.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/18718549461/in/dateposted-public/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Jeremy Till
My first thought upon seeing that was I'd shred the sh*t out of that 
thing.  In the appropriate size for me, with diagatube, of course.

On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 2:51:01 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Patrick Moore
It's a lovely bike. But there is a practical reason for dramatically
sloping top tubes: when you do a panic dismount on technical singletrack
with the bike's wheels hiked up on some obstacle, the dramatically lower
top tube can avoid a sudden blow to sensitive parts.

Patrick Moore, futzing with his front disk brake in ABQ, NM

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 5:58 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I love my poser 1x 38 narrow-wide front ring. Poser because it's a
 derailerless triple in with the large ring is a rock guard, the middle is
 my nearly all the time narrow-wide, and my small is a 24t granny for steep
 bikepacking.

 I don't get understand the aesthetic preference for a smaller frame with
 the bigger/fatish wheels/tires over a bike that's the right size with the
 same fattish tires. But then I don't get grains, or soap, or shoes either
 so I'm hardly bellweather on the getting of anything! Grin.

 Here's the poor, under appreciated, cast to the dire wolves, tall,
 aesthetic mammoth with diagitube for Bob in one of many favorite natural
 settings with Iris in an impromptu late-spring highland bog. Grin.

 https://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/18718549461/in/dateposted-public/

 With abandon,
 Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Deacon Patrick
I don't think I came with the sensitive bits. Grin. Or perhaps I don't ride 
aggressively enough. Double grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Saturday, August 8, 2015 at 10:06:09 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:

 avoid a sudden blow to sensitive parts.


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Lungimsam
That's a cool idea to eliminate a FD and two chainrings from the front end!! 
Weight savings and no left hand shifting either!

I bet that cassette big ring looks like a discus from the non-drive side of the 
bike.

Telephone at Shimano HQ:
Brrriiinggg

Shimano rep: hello, stockist from Rivendell!

RBW Stockist: ...Shimano?..,,Were gonna need a bigger dork-disc!...

Could this mean the end of FDs and double/triples on stock RBW builds?

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Lungimsam
The only downside I can think of is that you may not be able to friction shift 
over an 11-speed cassette well if the spacing is narrow.

Wonder what the weight savings balance is, though?
-1 silver shifter and pod
-1 cable
-1 ferrule
-1 housing
-1 front derailer/adapter
-1 to 2 chainrings
-1 lube for cable
-1/2 cable route under bb
-1 grease/beeswax for front silver shifter parts
+1.5 extra turn of bartape to push into vacant bar end hole.
+1 cork for the bar end
+3 bigger cassette cogs.
Looks like the 1x setup is lighter weight setup.

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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-08 Thread Robert Barr
I can't speak to the weight, I commute on the Hunq and routinely put 10
pounds of books, papers, and laptop on it. I went with the XD2 wide/low
double crank and the Shimano HG 61 12-36 rear for simplicity. Like Deacon I
skipped the front derailer. In my case I use the 40t and have the 26t
because it came with the 40 and I might decide to try and climb a wall some
day. The setup was much discussed here when Riv started offering the
double. Bob

On Sat, Aug 8, 2015 at 8:28 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 The only downside I can think of is that you may not be able to friction
 shift over an 11-speed cassette well if the spacing is narrow.

 Wonder what the weight savings balance is, though?
 -1 silver shifter and pod
 -1 cable
 -1 ferrule
 -1 housing
 -1 front derailer/adapter
 -1 to 2 chainrings
 -1 lube for cable
 -1/2 cable route under bb
 -1 grease/beeswax for front silver shifter parts
 +1.5 extra turn of bartape to push into vacant bar end hole.
 +1 cork for the bar end
 +3 bigger cassette cogs.
 Looks like the 1x setup is lighter weight setup.

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-07 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
That's my dream Rivendell.  A 54cm Hunqapillar with Bullmoose and 1x 
drivetrain!!!   The only difference is that my dream Hunqapillar is a bit 
more color-coordinated than that one.   



On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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Re: [RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-07 Thread Robert Barr
Ask Deacon Patrick or me - hard to improve on a Hunqapillar. Although I
confess the bike doesn't look right to me without the digatube, Bob


On Fri, Aug 7, 2015 at 9:03 PM, 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch 
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote:

 That's my dream Rivendell.  A 54cm Hunqapillar with Bullmoose and 1x
 drivetrain!!!   The only difference is that my dream Hunqapillar is a bit
 more color-coordinated than that one.



 On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I
 like it!  I might go ride it!

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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-07 Thread rw1911
Wow!  Nice looking bike!  With an 89ish PBH, I'm at the top of a 54, but 
could probably make it fit.  Anyone interested in buying my Riv Road and 
Rambouillet So that I can afford this beauty?  :-)




On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 5:51:01 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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[RBW] Re: 1x11 Rivendell!

2015-08-07 Thread Ryan Fleming
That is one swell-looking bikeholy moly
On Friday, August 7, 2015 at 4:51:01 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 Check the BLUG for a floor demo Hunqapillar with a 1x11 drivetrain.  I 
 like it!  I might go ride it!


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