[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Surlyprof]

BBH was pretty barren when we arrived after our ride.  Still, its sheer 
existence was the catalyst for a really fun ride all around Shell Ridge. 
 Thanks to Dave for rallying the group and Joe and Tony for guiding us 
through some great trails in their neck of the woods.  There was even 
enough water in a few of the creekbeds to provide a hard-earned racing 
stripe up my back!  Followed by a beer in a Walnut Creek taproom and a trip 
to Riv HQ.  Not a bad way to spend a Saturday.

Thanks for a fun ride guys.
John


On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 3:29:11 PM UTC-7, Justin August wrote:
>
> I've been out of the country so maybe I missed the announcement. I just 
> saw on the Radavist that BBH was closing. Was this known or new info?
>
> -Justin 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Nick Huemmer]

Yeah - how does buying a bike and associated bits compare with buying other
consumer goods?I don't mind paying a premium for bike parts (and boy,
have I!) and equipment (within reason) but I always wonder if consumers are
turned away from buying bikes because they see them as so expensive and the
bikes they are willing to pay for are shoddy.  Then, many are willing to
finance buying a car they can't really afford.  We live in a strange place.

One other observation I've made is that Surlys seem to get more and more
expensive while having seemingly lower component specs ("entry level"
components, I hate the term).  A brand new Cross Check or similar from an
LBS is *expensive*.

Personally, I feel like BBH was a great store but ahead of its time and in
the wrong location.  Foot traffic in WC especially around that mall seem
more interested in shopping the Apple Store and Vineyard Vines, but not
interested in pine tar (awesome), wool (indispensable) and hatchets (fun
and useful).

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Lungimsam  wrote:

> It is sad that they are closing. Maybe it is the economy-to-price-of-goods
> ratio these days. I don't know.
>
> I think it is difficult to sell bikes/parts in the USA these days. If you
> have read the Rivendell readers, you know of RBW's struggles through the
> years.
>
> Quality cycling gear is a very expensive now *in the USA*. I don't know
> if it is the economy or what.
> I'm not talking Target/WalMart/Sears. I am talking *LBS and up*.
> *Go into any LBS*. How many people *in the USA* can afford to shell out
> 900$ for an entry level road bike these days? 40$ gloves? A 65$ helmet? $80
> shoes?
>
> It is too bad that these great bikes (LBS, RBW, Boulder, Weigle,
> Litespeed, etc.) aren't financially accessible to everyone.
> *Maybe it is not so much the helmets keeping people from cycling, but the
> prices the market bears these days.*
>
> CIA factbook today says that "per capita GDP of $54,800" in USA. How many
> want to/are able to buy a 1000$ US bike and the parts? How many can you
> sell in this economy?
>
> Sometimes I think the US cycling industry is going to implode on itself if
> the prices get much higher.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[ascpgh]

Grant has always held that cycling has a place for everyone, Walnut Creek 
may have gotten a bit too upmarket and urban with itself to permit that. I 
can remember objectifying a few of the top model mountain bikes in the 
earliest days, rare among what was already pretty rare as LBSs were slow to 
get into them. I knew from word of mouth, reading and a few chances to see 
and try one in the wild, that they were better than the average OEM bike. 
$1000 was the pie in the sky price those days, which is a joke now. Top 
floor planned models in the proximate Trek-a-lized showroom retail for more 
than my first new motor vehicle. Inflation does not account for that 
catapulting of prices.

The average person needing transportation, practical to their situation, 
really makes bicycling daunting and unapproachable in the US. I remember 
Kona and their Africa bikes that targeted these needs of people completely 
elsewhere. Seems like we need a similar product here to remove the class 
barrier. A continual differentiation of cycling and cycling sport between 
the US and the world. That audience doesn't respond to advertising, 
frequent retail yet alone buy new.

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh 



On Sunday, July 17, 2016 at 8:11:23 PM UTC-4, Lungimsam wrote:
>
> It is sad that they are closing. Maybe it is the economy-to-price-of-goods 
> ratio these days. I don't know.
>
> I think it is difficult to sell bikes/parts in the USA these days. If you 
> have read the Rivendell readers, you know of RBW's struggles through the 
> years.
>
> Quality cycling gear is a very expensive now *in the USA*. I don't know 
> if it is the economy or what. 
> I'm not talking Target/WalMart/Sears. I am talking *LBS and up*.
> *Go into any LBS*. How many people *in the USA* can afford to shell out 
> 900$ for an entry level road bike these days? 40$ gloves? A 65$ helmet? $80 
> shoes?
>
> It is too bad that these great bikes (LBS, RBW, Boulder, Weigle, 
> Litespeed, etc.) aren't financially accessible to everyone.
> *Maybe it is not so much the helmets keeping people from cycling, but the 
> prices the market bears these days.*
>
> CIA factbook today says that "per capita GDP of $54,800" in USA. How many 
> want to/are able to buy a 1000$ US bike and the parts? How many can you 
> sell in this economy?
>
> Sometimes I think the US cycling industry is going to implode on itself if 
> the prices get much higher.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Lungimsam]

It is sad that they are closing. Maybe it is the economy-to-price-of-goods 
ratio these days. I don't know.

I think it is difficult to sell bikes/parts in the USA these days. If you 
have read the Rivendell readers, you know of RBW's struggles through the 
years.

Quality cycling gear is a very expensive now *in the USA*. I don't know if 
it is the economy or what. 
I'm not talking Target/WalMart/Sears. I am talking *LBS and up*.
*Go into any LBS*. How many people *in the USA* can afford to shell out 
900$ for an entry level road bike these days? 40$ gloves? A 65$ helmet? $80 
shoes?

It is too bad that these great bikes (LBS, RBW, Boulder, Weigle, 
Litespeed, etc.) aren't financially accessible to everyone.
*Maybe it is not so much the helmets keeping people from cycling, but the 
prices the market bears these days.*

CIA factbook today says that "per capita GDP of $54,800" in USA. How many 
want to/are able to buy a 1000$ US bike and the parts? How many can you 
sell in this economy?

Sometimes I think the US cycling industry is going to implode on itself if 
the prices get much higher.







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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Justin August]

I was sorry to not be able to make but family matters arose. Sad to hear they 
are moving everything out so early. The cash flow generated from that 
storefront must have been extremely low in order to give it up at this early of 
a date. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Strange, every ride I take is all into the wind...both coming and 
going... I guess that's what I get for living in Oklahoma.  ;)



On Saturday, July 16, 2016 at 9:21:03 PM UTC-5, dstein wrote:
>
> Sadly, BBH has already moved the cash register out and started boxing up. 
> Though they say they're going to be there until the end of September, it 
> was slim pickings inside and nothing was for sale anyway as the register is 
> gone.
>
> The ride was great though. 4 of us showed and did 21 miles around Shell 
> Ridge on a not too hot summer day, followed by some beer at a bottle shop 
> in WC I already forgot the name of but am about to open a few that I bought 
> to take home :). Funny story about the ride: it was all uphill. 
>  
>
> On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Just a quick reminder, meetup tomorrow at 10AM at WC bart. Then ride over 
>> to Shell Ridge for some trail riding (for those that haven't been it is 
>> pretty hilly, but nothing crazy). Then down to BBH. Anyone coming but 
>> running late just PM me from this thread. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Joe Bernard]

Shell Ridge is the ride I bonked out of on Bike Snob Book Day. You kids with 
your "not too bad" hills...

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[dstein]

Sadly, BBH has already moved the cash register out and started boxing up. 
Though they say they're going to be there until the end of September, it 
was slim pickings inside and nothing was for sale anyway as the register is 
gone.

The ride was great though. 4 of us showed and did 21 miles around Shell 
Ridge on a not too hot summer day, followed by some beer at a bottle shop 
in WC I already forgot the name of but am about to open a few that I bought 
to take home :). Funny story about the ride: it was all uphill. 
 

On Friday, July 15, 2016 at 7:32:28 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Just a quick reminder, meetup tomorrow at 10AM at WC bart. Then ride over 
> to Shell Ridge for some trail riding (for those that haven't been it is 
> pretty hilly, but nothing crazy). Then down to BBH. Anyone coming but 
> running late just PM me from this thread. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[dstein]

Just a quick reminder, meetup tomorrow at 10AM at WC bart. Then ride over 
to Shell Ridge for some trail riding (for those that haven't been it is 
pretty hilly, but nothing crazy). Then down to BBH. Anyone coming but 
running late just PM me from this thread. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[davecstein]

What time does that pass through rockridge? I see a 10 and 10:20 train that 
leave Rockridge going to WC at 10:14 and 10:35.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 11, 2016, at 7:58 AM, Justin August  wrote:
> 
> I'll be taking BART over from Fruitvale on Saturday. There's a 9:23 train 
> that transfers if anyone wants to BARTpool on the way over. 
> 
> -Justin
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Justin August]

I'll be taking BART over from Fruitvale on Saturday. There's a 9:23 train that 
transfers if anyone wants to BARTpool on the way over. 

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Nick Huemmer]

Sounds good, I *should* be able to make is barring anything blows up at
home (or on my bike).

Nick

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 4:31 PM, David Stein  wrote:

> Irving - I'm flexible and that works for me. Let's shoot for 10AM at WC
> BART (or 10:30 at the Indian Valley Elementary entrance to the park).
>
> Nick - thanks for offering and if you have a route from that entrance that
> would be awesome. Let me know if you can't make it for any reason and I'll
> plan accordingly, or feel free to shoot over a route map from ride with gps
> or google maps or whatever. Otherwise I just rely on the one from
> BayAreaRides.
>
> Everyone else - instead of taking roll, just plan on being at one of those
> two spots at the appropriate time and shoot me a PM if you're running a
> little late.
>
> We'll ramble around Shell Ridge and head to BBH after, bring some spending
> money ;). Weather of as of now looks on the warm side, but still in the low
> 80's.
>
> On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Irving  wrote:
>
>> Errr, still totally down for this but I have a morning appointment that
>> makes it iffy for me to get to Walnut Creek BART by 9:34am. I will
>> definitely be able to make it to the next train and arrive at 9:54am, so
>> can we do a 10am meetup?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 8:08:03 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool, sounds like there is some interest. I'm thinking of a 9:30 meetup
>>> at Walnut Creek BART and head to Shell Ridge for a trail ramble? I can also
>>> do road to if that is more preferable but my first choice is trail. Anyone
>>> local to WC that guide? I've done Shell Ridge a handful of times and just
>>> know the main loop.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Irving  wrote:
>>>
 I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!

 On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is
> free then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut
> Creek and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then 
> down
> to BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from
> Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down
> through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded
> Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of
> pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.
>
> I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I
> trust the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>
>> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a
>>> hatchet from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I 
>>> loved
>>> the idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC 
>>> to
>>> keep it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little
>>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I
>>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if
>>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high
>>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>>
>>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff
>>> in a few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)?
>>>
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[David Stein]

Irving - I'm flexible and that works for me. Let's shoot for 10AM at WC
BART (or 10:30 at the Indian Valley Elementary entrance to the park).

Nick - thanks for offering and if you have a route from that entrance that
would be awesome. Let me know if you can't make it for any reason and I'll
plan accordingly, or feel free to shoot over a route map from ride with gps
or google maps or whatever. Otherwise I just rely on the one from
BayAreaRides.

Everyone else - instead of taking roll, just plan on being at one of those
two spots at the appropriate time and shoot me a PM if you're running a
little late.

We'll ramble around Shell Ridge and head to BBH after, bring some spending
money ;). Weather of as of now looks on the warm side, but still in the low
80's.

On Sun, Jul 10, 2016 at 11:30 AM, Irving  wrote:

> Errr, still totally down for this but I have a morning appointment that
> makes it iffy for me to get to Walnut Creek BART by 9:34am. I will
> definitely be able to make it to the next train and arrive at 9:54am, so
> can we do a 10am meetup?
>
>
>
> On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 8:08:03 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Cool, sounds like there is some interest. I'm thinking of a 9:30 meetup
>> at Walnut Creek BART and head to Shell Ridge for a trail ramble? I can also
>> do road to if that is more preferable but my first choice is trail. Anyone
>> local to WC that guide? I've done Shell Ridge a handful of times and just
>> know the main loop.
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Irving  wrote:
>>
>>> I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!
>>>
>>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:

 Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is
 free then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut
 Creek and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down
 to BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from
 Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down
 through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded
 Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of
 pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.

 I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust
 the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.

 On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a
>> hatchet from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I 
>> loved
>> the idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to
>> keep it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little
>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I
>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if
>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high
>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>
>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff
>> in a few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)?
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Irving]

Errr, still totally down for this but I have a morning appointment that 
makes it iffy for me to get to Walnut Creek BART by 9:34am. I will 
definitely be able to make it to the next train and arrive at 9:54am, so 
can we do a 10am meetup?



On Saturday, July 9, 2016 at 8:08:03 AM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Cool, sounds like there is some interest. I'm thinking of a 9:30 meetup at 
> Walnut Creek BART and head to Shell Ridge for a trail ramble? I can also do 
> road to if that is more preferable but my first choice is trail. Anyone 
> local to WC that guide? I've done Shell Ridge a handful of times and just 
> know the main loop.
>
> On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Irving  
> wrote:
>
>> I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!
>>
>> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is 
>>> free then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut 
>>> Creek and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down 
>>> to BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from 
>>> Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down 
>>> through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded 
>>> Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of 
>>> pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.
>>>
>>> I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust 
>>> the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>>>
 I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.

 John


 On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a 
> hatchet from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I 
> loved 
> the idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to 
> keep it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high 
> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>
> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in 
> a few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)? 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Nick Huemmer]

Hi Everyone,
I'm down for a 7/16 ramble.  I live in WC and know Shell Ridge well, glad to 
help with a route if necessary.

Nick
El Duke

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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[David Stein]

Cool, sounds like there is some interest. I'm thinking of a 9:30 meetup at
Walnut Creek BART and head to Shell Ridge for a trail ramble? I can also do
road to if that is more preferable but my first choice is trail. Anyone
local to WC that guide? I've done Shell Ridge a handful of times and just
know the main loop.

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:53 PM, Irving  wrote:

> I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!
>
> On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is
>> free then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut
>> Creek and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down
>> to BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from
>> Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down
>> through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded
>> Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of
>> pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.
>>
>> I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust
>> the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:
>>
>>> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:

 That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a
 hatchet from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved
 the idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to
 keep it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little
 conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I
 remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if
 something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high
 rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?

 Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in
 a few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)?


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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Irving]

I'm interested for a Saturday July 16th BBH Ramble!

On Thursday, July 7, 2016 at 6:03:18 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is free 
> then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut Creek 
> and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down to 
> BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from 
> Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down 
> through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded 
> Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of 
> pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.
>
> I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust 
> the Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.
>
> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  > wrote:
>
>> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet 
>>> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the 
>>> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep 
>>> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
>>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
>>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
>>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high 
>>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>>
>>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a 
>>> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)? 
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[David Stein]

Cool, I have a hall pass for next Satuday, July 16, if anyone else is free
then. Depending how hot it is we could aim for meeting up in Walnut Creek
and doing a Diablo or Shell Ridge (little to no shade) ride then down to
BBH. If it's on the hotter side that day I might opt to ride over from
Rockridge BART (the cooler side of the Bay), over to Skyline/Grizzly, down
through Redwood regional, then sticking to the mostly shaded
Lafayette/Moraga Regional Trail (which is also flat!, but with tons of
pedestrians). Earlier the better for me but I'm flexible.

I'd be down with this either way, but is this for real closing? I trust the
Radavist, but haven't heard anything from the folks at Riv.

On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Surlyprof  wrote:

> I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.
>
> John
>
>
> On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>>
>> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet
>> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the
>> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep
>> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little
>> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I
>> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if
>> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high
>> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>>
>> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a
>> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)?
>>
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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Surlyprof]

I'd be in for a mixed terrain to BBH.  Great idea, Dave.

John

On Tuesday, July 5, 2016 at 9:43:22 PM UTC-7, dstein wrote:
>
> That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet 
> from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the 
> idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep 
> it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
> conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
> remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
> something in the city would be more feasible (with the even crazier high 
> rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?
>
> Anyone up for a Saturday ride from Oakland to BBH to buy some stuff in a 
> few weeks (mixed terrain preferably)? 
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[masmojo]

You know when Grant started mentioning it on his Blug and he said it was hoing 
to b e Downtown.  Somehow,  I was picturing in my head, San Francisco. The idea 
that it was a 3 blocks away never really sank in til I was there!
That in turn, makes me think that an outpost (not necessarily a BBH) might make 
a lot of sense in another location!? Like maybe Berkeley or even Fairfax? Some 
place close, but not too close. 

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[KC]

If I hadn't happened to walk by BBH after dinner when we randomly stayed in 
Walnut Creek on the way home from visiting our son in the Bay Area, I 
probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  Actually if Grant hadn't been there, 
introduced himself and suggested a stop at HQ the next day to look at 
bikes, I probably wouldn't have my Cheviot.  That would be pretty sad for 
me.  I guess I was very lucky.  

>
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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Joe Bernard]

Drew, there's nothing strange about visiting RBW as a non-bike-buyer. Anyone 
with 3 Rivs already has major dollars invested in the company, and undoubtedly 
still buys stuff from them. My policy for any bike shop visit is to buy 
something, which I'm sure most of us do when we drop by World Headquarters. I 
know Grant & Co appreciate it. 

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[drew]

That's a shame. We have unavoidable family in Lafayette, and getting to go by 
riv and bbh was always my consolation prize.
We are a 3 rivendell household, and I always feel a little strange going to 
rivhq, since I'm not gonna be buying another bike. Bbh was a great place to 
see/touch all the new and weird stuff. It's still the only place I've seen my 
wife get excited about buying things for her bike.

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[John A. Bennett]

Operating a small shop selling stuff you like - and that you hope others 
like, too - is a dicey business these days. 

And if you sell anything that can also be had online, it's 
double-dog-dicey. 

The experience of a place (and the people) like Bike, Book & Hatchet cannot 
be duplicated on a web site. 

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> I've been out of the country so maybe I missed the announcement. I just 
> saw on the Radavist that BBH was closing. Was this known or new info?
>
> -Justin 
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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[CMR]

I'm up for a ride in!

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Justin August]

Let's do it!

-J

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[Joe Bernard]

My recent attempt at a mixed-terrain Riv Ride proved I'm not very good at it, 
but I might grab the folder and meet you guys somewhere on the route. Or the 
electric Clem! I'd love to see that store. 

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[dstein]

That's a shame, it is a great store. One I keep meaning to buy a hatchet 
from despite not having any real need for a hatchetyet. I loved the 
idea but was always worried there isn't enough local support in WC to keep 
it going, making it more of a destination place which is a little 
conflicting given the close proximity to HQ down the street. I think I 
remember them doing a pop up store in the Mission before this, wonder if 
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rents and overhead of operating in SF)? Or Oakland?

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[RBW] Re: BBH Closing?

[eddietheflay]

I love Riv. Retail space in Walnut Creek cost a crazy fortune. BBH is not 
the bread and butter of those who frequent the streets of Downtown Walnut 
Creek.

Now BBBH might work. Need the beer.

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> -Justin 
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