[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-05-17 Thread Lungimsam
What kinda fenders? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-05-17 Thread DS
Ended up going with the Babyshoe extralight 650 x 42mm's. In the end I felt 
like if the Sam can fit them, might as well go wide. Just went on a short 
20 mile mixed terrain ride and they were fantastic. I'm sure the Loup's 
would have been just as good in the grand scheme of things. But for now I'm 
really happy with these. Great on pavement. Great on the non-technical, 
non-rocky trails I went on (JMP park in Oakland, Sequoia Bayview and Sunset 
trails).

Will be curious to see how my fenders fit when I try and put them back on 
in the fall. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-30 Thread ted
I have p45 longboards over the Soma GRs on my AHH. That works fine for me, 
particularly with a center pull front brake that let me get the fender a 
touch higher, though all things considered I think I would prefer a touch 
more room side to side. So I agree that you can run those fenders over 
40+mm tires on these bikes.

One reason for choosing the 42s is that it is the only way to know for sure 
how much you personally like the tires so many folks are raving about. If 
you are curious I think trying them is the only way find out how big a 
difference it will seem like to you. Until you do, you may always wonder if 
you shouldn't be riding fatter tires.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:20 PM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 Ted - Great advice, those are all points that were making me lean towards 
 38s originally. Plus I didn't think of the brake thing (they are calipers). 
 I go back on forth on fenders all the time, I hardly ever ride in the rain, 
 and it hardly ever rains out here, but even then I previously had fenders 
 with the fatty rumpkins and it was fine, mostly. I think it'll be a 
 decision b/w the 38 and 42's. Thanks for the offer on the Cypres, I do have 
 some on my 700c road bike and love them (which is maybe another reason I 
 kind of want to go wide as possible, to differntiate more b/w the other 
 road bike).

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:20 PM, ted ted@comcast.net javascript: 
 wrote:

 DS,
 I have used 32 mm GB Cypres and ~41 mm Soma GR tires on my 650B AHH.
 I will disent from the likely majority opinion and suggest you go with 
 the 38 mm tires.
 I found the 32 mm tires to be excellent for all the roads around me, and 
 I also rode them on local trails and fire roads with no problems. So I am 
 inclined to think 32 mm is wide enough. That said they did look a bit lost 
 in all that clearance, whereas the larger tires fill up the space nicely, 
 and there is no significant down side to going a bit wider.
 I suggest the 38s over the 42s because they will pass the brakes inflated 
 more easily than the 42s (assuming your Sam doesn't have cantilever 
 brakes). Also if you want fenders come next fall, clearance and coverage 
 will be easier with the 38s. When I changed from 32 to 40+ tires I noticed 
 differences but they were modest enough that I doubt I would notice much 
 difference between 38 and 42. I suspect that 38 is the goldilocks size for 
 bikes like ours, particularly for virtually all paved road use.

 If you are in the SF Bay area and we can work out the transfer, you can 
 try out my Cypres tires if you like. One has a small casing cut that should 
 probably be booted but otherwise they are fine.


 On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 I need the collective wisdom and varied opinions of this group to help 
 me decide, or further confuse me, on the 38mm or 42mm Compass tire for my 
 lightweight wheelset build for my 650b Sam. My other wheelset has Soma 
 Cazaderos. Should I go as wide as I can fit wit the 42mm Babyshoes (are 
 there wider that can fit the sam)? Or stay a little narrower with the 38M 
 Loup Loups? Or even more narrower with they 32m Cypres? This will be used 
 97% of the time on decent to well paved roads.

 Also, if anyone has a lightly used set of any of these for sale let me 
 know ;)

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[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-30 Thread Surlyprof
The 38mm Barlow Pass has plenty of clearance with the P50 fenders I'm 
using.  I have sometimes wondered if I should have bought the 32mm Stampede 
Pass tires since they are my go-fastish road tires but the doubts go away 
when I'm riding the BP Extralights.  Smooth and fast enough for my needs.  
Not sure if I would have been confident enough to do SP extralights for 
fear of flats on the smaller, higher pressure tires.  If I'd gotten SPs I 
probably would have bought the heavier regulars to compensate.  Based on 
Jan's research, that seemed like a wash.

John

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 I need the collective wisdom and varied opinions of this group to help me 
 decide, or further confuse me, on the 38mm or 42mm Compass tire for my 
 lightweight wheelset build for my 650b Sam. My other wheelset has Soma 
 Cazaderos. Should I go as wide as I can fit wit the 42mm Babyshoes (are 
 there wider that can fit the sam)? Or stay a little narrower with the 38M 
 Loup Loups? Or even more narrower with they 32m Cypres? This will be used 
 97% of the time on decent to well paved roads.

 Also, if anyone has a lightly used set of any of these for sale let me 
 know ;)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-30 Thread Jim Bronson
That was supposed to read Hetres or Babyshoe Pass need 50mm fenders
minimum IMO

The LoupLoups work fine with P45s, I am running that setup myself.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Jim Bronson jim.bron...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hetres or LoupLoup pass need 50mm fenders minimum, IMO.
 On Apr 29, 2015 3:05 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far
 from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the
 front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat
 stay bridge with a bolt.

 I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more
 clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it
 is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.

 I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The
 Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the
 fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the
 Loups get me a lot more.

 *So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these
 pressures, but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not.
 Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in
 another weight class and at different pressures.*

 The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on
 my Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember
 right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with
 tires that narrow, from my experience

 But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread David Stein
I just took the fenders off, sadly...I live in California and I doubt we're
going to see much, if any, rain until November. So without fenders the
consensus seems to be go as wide as you can.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far
 from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the
 front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat
 stay bridge with a bolt.

 I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more
 clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it
 is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.

 I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The
 Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the
 fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the
 Loups get me a lot more.

 *So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these pressures,
 but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not.
 Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in
 another weight class and at different pressures.*

 The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on my
 Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember
 right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with
 tires that narrow, from my experience

 But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Jim Bronson
Hetres or LoupLoup pass need 50mm fenders minimum, IMO.
On Apr 29, 2015 3:05 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far
 from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the
 front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat
 stay bridge with a bolt.

 I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more
 clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it
 is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.

 I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The
 Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the
 fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the
 Loups get me a lot more.

 *So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these pressures,
 but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not.
 Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in
 another weight class and at different pressures.*

 The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on my
 Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember
 right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with
 tires that narrow, from my experience

 But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.

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[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Lungimsam
I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far 
from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the 
front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat 
stay bridge with a bolt.

I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more 
clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it 
is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.

I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The 
Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the 
fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the 
Loups get me a lot more.

*So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these pressures, 
but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not. 
Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in 
another weight class and at different pressures.*

The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on my 
Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember 
right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with 
tires that narrow, from my experience

But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.

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[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
I would go wide, so Babyshoes, and the feather lights are a big difference 
too.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Lungimsam
Yes, 50mm fenders are preferable to the 45mm Longboards.
Hetres and Loups fit nicely under my Honjo H-50 fenders.
The Longboards are just barely wide enough.

Fender clearance depends on the frame/fork construction and their 
fenderable limits. Narrower (and thus shorter) tires will help with 
clearance, too.

Why not leave the fenders on all year to protect you and the bike from the 
grunge in the occasional puddle and dirt? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Chris Chen
They make 50mm longboards now right?

I have P50 chromaplastics on my A Saluki Hilsen, they have relatively
generous clearance around the babyshoe pass tires.

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yes, 50mm fenders are preferable to the 45mm Longboards.
 Hetres and Loups fit nicely under my Honjo H-50 fenders.
 The Longboards are just barely wide enough.

 Fender clearance depends on the frame/fork construction and their
 fenderable limits. Narrower (and thus shorter) tires will help with
 clearance, too.

 Why not leave the fenders on all year to protect you and the bike from the
 grunge in the occasional puddle and dirt?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Chris Chen
Hell you should take those fenders off; California needs all the help it
can get!

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:13 PM, David Stein davecst...@gmail.com wrote:

 I just took the fenders off, sadly...I live in California and I doubt
 we're going to see much, if any, rain until November. So without fenders
 the consensus seems to be go as wide as you can.

 On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 1:05 PM, Lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 I use Hetres at 50psi on my 52 Blue Sam with P45 fenders, raised as far
 from the tire as the frame allows with mounting from the fender tab on the
 front fender, and mounting the fender directly to the eyelet under the seat
 stay bridge with a bolt.

 I am hoping to put Loups on for my next set, as they will allow more
 clearance under fenders. It is pretty tight. Most would probably think it
 is ok, and it has been great, but I like lots of clearance.

 I also have a Bleriot that I have used Hetres as well as Loups on. The
 Loups feel plenty cushy at 45psi. Allows much more clearance under the
 fenders than the Hetres did. I think the Hetres get me 1cm all around, the
 Loups get me a lot more.

 *So, I think both tires have a comparable ride quality at these
 pressures, but just decide if you like more clearance under fenders or not.
 Disclaimer: I weigh about 175lbs. I don't know how they will feel in
 another weight class and at different pressures.*

 The Cypress will allow massive overkill fender clearance. I had them on
 my Sam for a short time, and they were nice at 50 or 55 psi, if I remember
 right. But you won't get as good ability to road through cracked roads with
 tires that narrow, from my experience

 But again, all these tires are great. I like them at low pressures.

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[RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread ted
DS,
I have used 32 mm GB Cypres and ~41 mm Soma GR tires on my 650B AHH.
I will disent from the likely majority opinion and suggest you go with the 
38 mm tires.
I found the 32 mm tires to be excellent for all the roads around me, and I 
also rode them on local trails and fire roads with no problems. So I am 
inclined to think 32 mm is wide enough. That said they did look a bit lost 
in all that clearance, whereas the larger tires fill up the space nicely, 
and there is no significant down side to going a bit wider.
I suggest the 38s over the 42s because they will pass the brakes inflated 
more easily than the 42s (assuming your Sam doesn't have cantilever 
brakes). Also if you want fenders come next fall, clearance and coverage 
will be easier with the 38s. When I changed from 32 to 40+ tires I noticed 
differences but they were modest enough that I doubt I would notice much 
difference between 38 and 42. I suspect that 38 is the goldilocks size for 
bikes like ours, particularly for virtually all paved road use.

If you are in the SF Bay area and we can work out the transfer, you can try 
out my Cypres tires if you like. One has a small casing cut that should 
probably be booted but otherwise they are fine.

On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 I need the collective wisdom and varied opinions of this group to help me 
 decide, or further confuse me, on the 38mm or 42mm Compass tire for my 
 lightweight wheelset build for my 650b Sam. My other wheelset has Soma 
 Cazaderos. Should I go as wide as I can fit wit the 42mm Babyshoes (are 
 there wider that can fit the sam)? Or stay a little narrower with the 38M 
 Loup Loups? Or even more narrower with they 32m Cypres? This will be used 
 97% of the time on decent to well paved roads.

 Also, if anyone has a lightly used set of any of these for sale let me 
 know ;)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread David Stein
Ted - Great advice, those are all points that were making me lean towards
38s originally. Plus I didn't think of the brake thing (they are calipers).
I go back on forth on fenders all the time, I hardly ever ride in the rain,
and it hardly ever rains out here, but even then I previously had fenders
with the fatty rumpkins and it was fine, mostly. I think it'll be a
decision b/w the 38 and 42's. Thanks for the offer on the Cypres, I do have
some on my 700c road bike and love them (which is maybe another reason I
kind of want to go wide as possible, to differntiate more b/w the other
road bike).

On Wed, Apr 29, 2015 at 7:20 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:

 DS,
 I have used 32 mm GB Cypres and ~41 mm Soma GR tires on my 650B AHH.
 I will disent from the likely majority opinion and suggest you go with the
 38 mm tires.
 I found the 32 mm tires to be excellent for all the roads around me, and I
 also rode them on local trails and fire roads with no problems. So I am
 inclined to think 32 mm is wide enough. That said they did look a bit lost
 in all that clearance, whereas the larger tires fill up the space nicely,
 and there is no significant down side to going a bit wider.
 I suggest the 38s over the 42s because they will pass the brakes inflated
 more easily than the 42s (assuming your Sam doesn't have cantilever
 brakes). Also if you want fenders come next fall, clearance and coverage
 will be easier with the 38s. When I changed from 32 to 40+ tires I noticed
 differences but they were modest enough that I doubt I would notice much
 difference between 38 and 42. I suspect that 38 is the goldilocks size for
 bikes like ours, particularly for virtually all paved road use.

 If you are in the SF Bay area and we can work out the transfer, you can
 try out my Cypres tires if you like. One has a small casing cut that should
 probably be booted but otherwise they are fine.


 On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:

 I need the collective wisdom and varied opinions of this group to help me
 decide, or further confuse me, on the 38mm or 42mm Compass tire for my
 lightweight wheelset build for my 650b Sam. My other wheelset has Soma
 Cazaderos. Should I go as wide as I can fit wit the 42mm Babyshoes (are
 there wider that can fit the sam)? Or stay a little narrower with the 38M
 Loup Loups? Or even more narrower with they 32m Cypres? This will be used
 97% of the time on decent to well paved roads.

 Also, if anyone has a lightly used set of any of these for sale let me
 know ;)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Babyshoe Pass or Loup Loup Pass for my Sam

2015-04-29 Thread Dan McNamara
The Cypres are a great tire - had them on my Ram. If there was room for a wider 
700c tire I would have gone for it, though. 

I do think that 38 seems like a sweet spot for a go-fast setup and there are a 
few options out there. The Pari-Moto is a great event tire and the Soma B-side 
for those who like a Pasela tread. Plus the Compass Loup Pass. 

Cypres EL are cheap out of Japan at the moment. As are Pari-Motos out of 
Boulder. 

Maybe too many choices?

Dan



 On Apr 29, 2015, at 7:20 PM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote:
 
 DS,
 I have used 32 mm GB Cypres and ~41 mm Soma GR tires on my 650B AHH.
 I will disent from the likely majority opinion and suggest you go with the 38 
 mm tires.
 I found the 32 mm tires to be excellent for all the roads around me, and I 
 also rode them on local trails and fire roads with no problems. So I am 
 inclined to think 32 mm is wide enough. That said they did look a bit lost in 
 all that clearance, whereas the larger tires fill up the space nicely, and 
 there is no significant down side to going a bit wider.
 I suggest the 38s over the 42s because they will pass the brakes inflated 
 more easily than the 42s (assuming your Sam doesn't have cantilever brakes). 
 Also if you want fenders come next fall, clearance and coverage will be 
 easier with the 38s. When I changed from 32 to 40+ tires I noticed 
 differences but they were modest enough that I doubt I would notice much 
 difference between 38 and 42. I suspect that 38 is the goldilocks size for 
 bikes like ours, particularly for virtually all paved road use.
 
 If you are in the SF Bay area and we can work out the transfer, you can try 
 out my Cypres tires if you like. One has a small casing cut that should 
 probably be booted but otherwise they are fine.
 
 On Wednesday, April 29, 2015 at 9:11:45 AM UTC-7, DS wrote:
 I need the collective wisdom and varied opinions of this group to help me 
 decide, or further confuse me, on the 38mm or 42mm Compass tire for my 
 lightweight wheelset build for my 650b Sam. My other wheelset has Soma 
 Cazaderos. Should I go as wide as I can fit wit the 42mm Babyshoes (are 
 there wider that can fit the sam)? Or stay a little narrower with the 38M 
 Loup Loups? Or even more narrower with they 32m Cypres? This will be used 
 97% of the time on decent to well paved roads.
 
 Also, if anyone has a lightly used set of any of these for sale let me know 
 ;)
 
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