[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[IanA]

I can speak to two standard B17's and one Professional.  I bought the first 
B17 in 2008 (I think) and it has around 40,000km under my bum.  It is 
definitely characterful, but still is firm and usable (I did install a 
longer bolt for extra stretch).  The second B17 was bought around the same 
time and has far less mileage, but has stretched more and I'm thinking of 
drilling and lacing it.

The Professional (standard rivets, brown) was bought 2014(ish) ans has been 
used on some metric centuries and lots of commuting miles.  I love that 
saddle and don't recall adjusting it more than once.  I will admit that it 
was only 40 euros or so as I bought it on sale from Germany.   I find the 
Professional fits somewhat like a slightly narrower B17 - the skirt is less 
intrusive, but the top feels as wide as a B17. The leather feels thicker 
than the B17 IMO.

Ian A

It is this model 
here 
https://www.google.ca/search?q=brooks+professional+chrome+rails=off=2=1366=681=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwiEqq2SypDPAhWH6YMKHSDjAIYQ_AUIBigB=1#imgrc=3Lgz5ZJczH6wfM%3A



On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 8:23:29 PM UTC-6, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Cameron Murphy]

Rene,

I would certainly proofhide any saddles I wanted to store long term.  The 
tanning process leaches a lot of the natural oils out of the leather, which 
are then replaced to some degree at later stages at the tannery before 
being sent off to Brooks.  As far as I know, Brooks doesn't do any further 
treatment to the hides before shipping the saddles off.  Exposure to air 
over time will cause some lighter oil fractions to evaporate, and others to 
oxidize, forming things closer to varnish or wax than oil.  The goal of 
dressings like proofhide is to replace those oils, and by doing so, protect 
the leather fibers themselves from drying out and or oxidizing, and keeping 
the leather somewhat pliable.  Left perfectly alone, depending on 
temperature and humidity, the leather will eventually dry out and become 
brittle and or crack. ("Eventually" may be years or multiple decades 
depending on conditions, and initial leather quality and tanning)  Some of 
that damage can be undone by treatments like proofhide at a later date, but 
it would be best to avoid the damage in the first place.   I would 
proofhide them before storage, and if possible, give them another light 
coat every year or two.

Cameron Murphy
San Marcos, CA

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 1:12:33 PM UTC-7, René wrote:
>
> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future 
> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store 
> them?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, 
>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just 
>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to 
>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform 
>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets 
>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more 
>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't 
>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal 
>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[René Sterental]

Thanks. That's what I thought made sense. Will do the same.

René

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 2:36 PM, Chris Birkenmaier 
wrote:

> Rene, I will proofhide it.  I have a Select now that will go on my new
> Cheviot and one will be the "spare" for future use.  So not too much
> hoarding but I did want to make sure I had an extra one if in fact they
> were discontinued.
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>>
>> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future
>> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store
>> them?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  wrote:
>>
>>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily,
>>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just
>>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to
>>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform
>>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets
>>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:



 I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other
 rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or
 thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago


>>>
>>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more
>>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't
>>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal
>>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Rene, I will proofhide it.  I have a Select now that will go on my new 
Cheviot and one will be the "spare" for future use.  So not too much 
hoarding but I did want to make sure I had an extra one if in fact they 
were discontinued.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 4:12:33 PM UTC-4, René wrote:
>
> If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future 
> use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store 
> them?
>
> René 
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  > wrote:
>
>> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, 
>> which is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just 
>> takes more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to 
>> adjust the tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform 
>> in a matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets 
>> just as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>>
>> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>>
>>>  
>>
>> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more 
>> stout than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't 
>> discontinue the Select models, or I wish they would make their normal 
>> models just as good because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[René Sterental]

If you are going to buy a few "extra" Select saddles to have for future
use, would you store them as is or would you Proofide them and then store
them?

René

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 12:26 PM, Matt B.  wrote:

> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which
> is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes
> more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the
> tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a
> matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just
> as much use and sees just as much rain).
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other
>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or
>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>
>>
>
> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout
> than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the
> Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good
> because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

I also ordered one online to make sure I had a spare one should I need in 
the future.  I have some older saddles that I got off of eBay and have to 
agree that saddles from the 1970/1980 even 1990 are thicker leather than 
the new ones produced now.

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 3:26:53 PM UTC-4, Matt B. wrote:
>
> The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which 
> is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes 
> more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the 
> tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a 
> matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just 
> as much use and sees just as much rain).  
>
> On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
>> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
>> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>>
>>  
>
> This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout 
> than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the 
> Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good 
> because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Matt B.]

The B17 Selects have thicker leather that doesn't stretch as easily, which 
is a good thing. They still break-in and get really comfortable, just takes 
more time.  Mine's about 3 years old also and I've never had to adjust the 
tension, whereas I've had other late-model B17's severely deform in a 
matter of months (mostly due to rain, but the select model I have gets just 
as much use and sees just as much rain).  

On Wednesday, September 14, 2016 at 2:02:12 PM UTC-4, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
>
>
> I have a Brooks standard on my X0-1 and 2 B-17  specials on my 2 other 
> rivendells. Honestly, I do not think the B-17 standards are as durable or 
> thick as they were 10 or 15 years ago
>
>  

This is my impression too. I have two older B17's that are much more stout 
than the current normal ones. Anyway I hope Brooks doesn't discontinue the 
Select models, or I wish they would make their normal models just as good 
because the B17 shape is nearly perfect for my backside.


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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Austin ^]

B17 Select is good for fairly high mileage. Mine is three years old with 
about 20,000 miles, is polished to a beautiful deep brown with no signs of 
fatigue and I've never had to tighten the bolt. I ride daily year round in 
all weather in the pacific northwest, and I probably remember to put the 
seat cover on in the rain about half the time. The bike lives indoors, 
saddle dries out between really wet rides, and I treat it with montana 
pitch blend leather dressing when the seasons change. The only real down 
side (which isn't likely a huge consideration here) is that it's not the 
lightest saddle on earth. I like it enough to have two more put back to 
fill its role when it finally gives up.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

*178.00* 
*Made in:* UK

 
*Availability:* discontinued by Brooks, while supplies last... 
*product code: S6-11003 * 
Qty: 



Yep - It was on the Saddle page of RBW.



On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 3:25:49 PM UTC-4, Chris Birkenmaier wrote:

> It was mentioned above that it may just be misinformation about the model 
> being discontinued.  I remember seeing it somewhere a while back from - 
> wait - Rivendell?  Yeah, I think it was their site that mentioned it.  I 
> just checked on the main Brooks site and it shows the Select and ordering 
> availability.  However, I do know that Brooks has lagged current 
> information which is kind of odd to happen.
>
> On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
>>
>> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
>> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
>> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
>> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>>
>> Jeff
>> Arlington, VA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

It was mentioned above that it may just be misinformation about the model 
being discontinued.  I remember seeing it somewhere a while back from - 
wait - Rivendell?  Yeah, I think it was their site that mentioned it.  I 
just checked on the main Brooks site and it shows the Select and ordering 
availability.  However, I do know that Brooks has lagged current 
information which is kind of odd to happen.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Will Ashe]

I've had two B17 Standards and one Select, which is on my Sam. In my 
experience the Standard saddles have been much more comfortable out of the 
box, they never really needed a break-in period. The Select I'm on now is 
much more stiff, and my sit bones were sore after about 20 miles for the 
first few months. I've had the saddle for about 6 months now and it is more 
comfortable. I'm excited to see how it transforms over the years.

Will
Los Angeles, CA

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 7:23:29 PM UTC-7, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[drew]

i have heard conflicting info. namely that the discontinuation was a rumor. 
anyone have the official news from an official place?

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Well I am a fan-girl of Brooks (except for the Cambiums).  There is the 
Standard which has always worked well for me.  One of my favorites is the 
plain old black Standard.  The leather is not as robust as the Select but 
it has a softness to it early on that is very comfortable.  I understand 
that may not speak to as long a life but it sure feels good now.  I also 
have the Special which is a tougher leather option with the large rivets.  
I much prefer the looks of the larger rivets and the saddle is comfortable 
but much harder than the Standard.

Finally to get to the Select which you asked about,.I just ordered a B-17 
Select for my inventory because they were discontinued and I wanted to use 
it in the  future..  I have the Select B-67 which I like but is not on a 
bike at the moment.  I am planning on putting the B-17 Select on my 
forthcoming Cheviot so I have no reviews at this point.  However, it is a 
beautiful saddle with thick leather.  So, if the B-17 in general suits you, 
I wouldn't hesitate to leap for one.

On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:

> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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[RBW] Re: Brooks b17 select - opinions?

[Eric Karnes]

I'm a newer Brooks user, but I found the quality of my standard B17 to be 
very good...much, much better than the Selle Anatomica it replaced. That 
said, I found the dye transfer a bit annoying, so I switched to a Cambium. 

But if I go the leather route again, I'd definitely get the B17 Select. My 
only issue was with the stained pants...and apparently that's not an issue 
with the un-dyed select.

Eric


On Thursday, September 8, 2016 at 10:23:29 PM UTC-4, Jeffrey B wrote:
>
> It's time to consult the wisdom of this group again, this time for some 
> saddle advice. I've heard mixed reviews about the quality of modern 
> "standard" brooks saddles. Is the select line really any better? 
> Specifically, does the leather hold its shape better? Thanks all!
>
> Jeff
> Arlington, VA
>

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