[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
I'm trying to read the long-range-forcast tea leaves here and match that with my families needs for camping for two months. The Farmer's Almanic calls for generally colder and wetter than usual for the desert SW and SoCal. We need a normal or warmer year for this to work. Wet and cold for two months would be miserable with the kids unless we had a remote cabin. The dilemma is this: we have an offer to stay in a nearby friend's granny house, which would work for us, but has a number of limitations. Do we do that, or venture forth into the wild unknown? Just me? I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation. All thoughts appreciated. Being a brain bludgeoned refugee in winter is not all the brochure promised. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Patrick, Maybe you could work out a house swap through something like https://www.homeexchange.com/en/how-it-works/ to make things more comfortable? I haven't used it personally (no house!) but have heard good things. But, really, it sounds to me like your partner/family should make the call on whether 2 months in camp Deacon works for them. Maybe they have other ideas that would fit your requirements. Good luck, and report back on how it works out! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: I'm trying to read the long-range-forcast tea leaves here and match that with my families needs for camping for two months. The Farmer's Almanic calls for generally colder and wetter than usual for the desert SW and SoCal. We need a normal or warmer year for this to work. Wet and cold for two months would be miserable with the kids unless we had a remote cabin. The dilemma is this: we have an offer to stay in a nearby friend's granny house, which would work for us, but has a number of limitations. Do we do that, or venture forth into the wild unknown? Just me? I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation. All thoughts appreciated. Being a brain bludgeoned refugee in winter is not all the brochure promised. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Great idea, Joe, except for our circumstances. I'm so sensitive to scents that my wife would be cleaning the home for 2 weeks just so I could come back in (we learned this after my brother visited, was in the house for 15 minutes, and took a week to sufficiently clean all the curtains, floors, and everything else, just from his laundry detergent and hotel soap scents). Plus most people expect furniture in a home, and we have no chairs or beds since we floor live. As for last two sentences, I don't understand them. We are making this decision together, my wife and I. I'm just looking for help in understanding the weather in various areas. I already know the Phoenix area is colder/wetter than usual. They are perfectly happy to camp for 2 months, if not cold and wet. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:34:08 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: Patrick, Maybe you could work out a house swap through something like https://www.homeexchange.com/en/how-it-works/ to make things more comfortable? I haven't used it personally (no house!) but have heard good things. But, really, it sounds to me like your partner/family should make the call on whether 2 months in camp Deacon works for them. Maybe they have other ideas that would fit your requirements. Good luck, and report back on how it works out! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: I'm trying to read the long-range-forcast tea leaves here and match that with my families needs for camping for two months. The Farmer's Almanic calls for generally colder and wetter than usual for the desert SW and SoCal. We need a normal or warmer year for this to work. Wet and cold for two months would be miserable with the kids unless we had a remote cabin. The dilemma is this: we have an offer to stay in a nearby friend's granny house, which would work for us, but has a number of limitations. Do we do that, or venture forth into the wild unknown? Just me? I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation. All thoughts appreciated. Being a brain bludgeoned refugee in winter is not all the brochure promised. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Patrick, Forgot about the fragrance free requirement! I'm sensitive myself, so can imagine your predicament there. And floor living, right, I'd agree swaps are probably out. Cold camping in the desert's a bit different for me than elsewhere. When I lived in Montana, I used to escape the Missoula inversions down in Moab. It was easy enough to keep warm at night (and I'm a southerner by birth), and I knew I could count on warming up as soon as the sun came up. For me, cold nights and warm days beat lukewarm soup night and day. The only annoyance was the wind. Seemed like I spent most of my evenings devising and fussing over my cooking windbreak. For a more permanent camp, a nice wall tent with a little woodstove can be a pretty cozy place, but I don't know if you can handle wood smoke. Would the ocean work for you? Maybe something in a quiet part of the California coast would work. Other listers could provide better advice on that option. Sorry I misread you at the end there. When I scanned I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation, it kind of sounded like you were deciding for the whole clan. As you know, adventures are usually better when all voting members are in the spirit as it sounds like they are! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Great idea, Joe, except for our circumstances. I'm so sensitive to scents that my wife would be cleaning the home for 2 weeks just so I could come back in (we learned this after my brother visited, was in the house for 15 minutes, and took a week to sufficiently clean all the curtains, floors, and everything else, just from his laundry detergent and hotel soap scents). Plus most people expect furniture in a home, and we have no chairs or beds since we floor live. As for last two sentences, I don't understand them. We are making this decision together, my wife and I. I'm just looking for help in understanding the weather in various areas. I already know the Phoenix area is colder/wetter than usual. They are perfectly happy to camp for 2 months, if not cold and wet. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:34:08 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: Patrick, Maybe you could work out a house swap through something like https://www.homeexchange.com/en/how-it-works/ to make things more comfortable? I haven't used it personally (no house!) but have heard good things. But, really, it sounds to me like your partner/family should make the call on whether 2 months in camp Deacon works for them. Maybe they have other ideas that would fit your requirements. Good luck, and report back on how it works out! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.com wrote: I'm trying to read the long-range-forcast tea leaves here and match that with my families needs for camping for two months. The Farmer's Almanic calls for generally colder and wetter than usual for the desert SW and SoCal. We need a normal or warmer year for this to work. Wet and cold for two months would be miserable with the kids unless we had a remote cabin. The dilemma is this: we have an offer to stay in a nearby friend's granny house, which would work for us, but has a number of limitations. Do we do that, or venture forth into the wild unknown? Just me? I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation. All thoughts appreciated. Being a brain bludgeoned refugee in winter is not all the brochure promised. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Yeah, being an adventurous wimp has its challenges. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:24:11 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: Patrick, Forgot about the fragrance free requirement! I'm sensitive myself, so can imagine your predicament there. And floor living, right, I'd agree swaps are probably out. Cold camping in the desert's a bit different for me than elsewhere. When I lived in Montana, I used to escape the Missoula inversions down in Moab. It was easy enough to keep warm at night (and I'm a southerner by birth), and I knew I could count on warming up as soon as the sun came up. For me, cold nights and warm days beat lukewarm soup night and day. The only annoyance was the wind. Seemed like I spent most of my evenings devising and fussing over my cooking windbreak. For a more permanent camp, a nice wall tent with a little woodstove can be a pretty cozy place, but I don't know if you can handle wood smoke. Would the ocean work for you? Maybe something in a quiet part of the California coast would work. Other listers could provide better advice on that option. Sorry I misread you at the end there. When I scanned I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation, it kind of sounded like you were deciding for the whole clan. As you know, adventures are usually better when all voting members are in the spirit as it sounds like they are! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comjavascript: wrote: Great idea, Joe, except for our circumstances. I'm so sensitive to scents that my wife would be cleaning the home for 2 weeks just so I could come back in (we learned this after my brother visited, was in the house for 15 minutes, and took a week to sufficiently clean all the curtains, floors, and everything else, just from his laundry detergent and hotel soap scents). Plus most people expect furniture in a home, and we have no chairs or beds since we floor live. As for last two sentences, I don't understand them. We are making this decision together, my wife and I. I'm just looking for help in understanding the weather in various areas. I already know the Phoenix area is colder/wetter than usual. They are perfectly happy to camp for 2 months, if not cold and wet. With abandon, Patrick On Thursday, December 12, 2013 12:34:08 PM UTC-7, joe b. wrote: Patrick, Maybe you could work out a house swap through something like https://www.homeexchange.com/en/how-it-works/ to make things more comfortable? I haven't used it personally (no house!) but have heard good things. But, really, it sounds to me like your partner/family should make the call on whether 2 months in camp Deacon works for them. Maybe they have other ideas that would fit your requirements. Good luck, and report back on how it works out! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 8:20 AM, Deacon Patrick lamon...@mac.comwrote: I'm trying to read the long-range-forcast tea leaves here and match that with my families needs for camping for two months. The Farmer's Almanic calls for generally colder and wetter than usual for the desert SW and SoCal. We need a normal or warmer year for this to work. Wet and cold for two months would be miserable with the kids unless we had a remote cabin. The dilemma is this: we have an offer to stay in a nearby friend's granny house, which would work for us, but has a number of limitations. Do we do that, or venture forth into the wild unknown? Just me? I'll generally take the wild unknown every time. But with family... that changes the equation. All thoughts appreciated. Being a brain bludgeoned refugee in winter is not all the brochure promised. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
The desert in Southern California can get pretty cold at night. Much of Joshua Tree National Park is high desert, and you can easily have lows in the teens there this time of year. I would head for lower elevations if possible. Anza-Borrego State Park is really nice. Coastal areas will be much warmer at night, but it's hard to find peace and quiet in coastal So Cal. Santa Cruz Island is a wonderful place, though, and very quiet. Bryan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to recover. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Yes, Joshua Tree is a great recommendation. There's a chance you might get stuck next to an RV's generator, but probably not in the camps w/out water. Funny how motorhomes that carry their own water tend to not be used in places without it. The smaller sites are great and pretty intimate IMHO. http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=64942209@N00q=joshua%20tree VERY kid friendly place. Just let 'em loose on the rock jumbles and they'll be busy for the day! Good hiking for miles. On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:24:55 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Any recommendations on state parks that fit the bill, particularly Southern AZ and SoCal? A trip with me is all about flexibility, which some national parks fail at, requiring online reservations. Depending on all kinds of brain factors we may think were somewhere for a week, but x,y, or z changes that and we need to leave immediately. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
http://www.fs.usda.gov/recarea/coronado/recreation/bicycling/recarea/?recid=25596actid=64 http://www.nps.gov/sagu/planyourvisit/upload/Saguaro-Wilderness-Area.pdf http://azstateparks.com/Parks/CATA/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Very true about the set-up of the camping area. On a return from my friend's family's cabin outside of Creede, CO we had a run in with the bad. We had to clean up and get things back to the easy in status for the next visit, as we enjoyed when we pulled in from an 18 hour drive at the beginning of the summer. We got on the road at three PM and by six knew we'd be worthless to drive any farther and pulled into the Cimarron Canyon State Park Campground to lay up for the night to start our drive well-rested. Once we had camp set up and were cooking the last of our food for dinner a ranger informed us the campsites were for day use only and we'd have to go to the other camping area to stay over night. No tolerance for our cooking meal, I had to dump it before his eyes as my friend broke down the tent, wadding it, sleeping bags, and pads into the back of the Trooper for our drive to the designated camping area which turned out to be amongst a bunch of parked-for-the-season coaches from Texas (nouveau fly fishing lodges) that all seemed to have generators running for AC and TV. Having spent the summer in a cabin, in a valley that incurs into and is surrounded on three sides by the Weminuche Wilderness Area, we were audibly unable to stay for the inability to sleep there. Knowing that ahead of time we would have just overnighted there by the cabin at Spar City and started when we woke, well-rested. Longest night of driving I have ever spent. Short shifts at the wheel exchanged whenever we could find someplace lit up selling coffee and gas. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:56:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to recover. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Patrick, Much of the southern New Mexico desert would still be chilly at night-- hovering around your 30 degree limit. But, if the weather looks good, you might consider these places: Aguirre Springs http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/las_cruces/aguirre_spring_campground.htmlnear Las Cruces on BLM land. Lower Gila area on BLM land.http://www.blm.gov/nm/st/en/prog/recreation/las_cruces/gila_lower_box.html City of Rocks State Park (NM) http://www.emnrd.state.nm.us/spd/CityofRocksActivities.htmlwith nearby Gila Forest and Faywood Hotsprings. The Rodeo, NM or Portal, AZhttp://www.portalrodeo.com/friends-of-cave-creek-canyo.htmlarea on the east side of the Chiricahua mountains: Further west in the warmer Sonoran desert there is the McDowell mountains regional park http://www.maricopa.gov/parks/mcdowell/. Good biking and hiking there, although not very remote or undeveloped. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Exactly, Andy. It's that human-created adventure (most often bureaucracy created) that can leave me recovering for several days. I'd much rather feel well enough to ride or run. Trouble is, it's like avoiding gopher holes at a gallop. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:55:03 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote: Very true about the set-up of the camping area. On a return from my friend's family's cabin outside of Creede, CO we had a run in with the bad. We had to clean up and get things back to the easy in status for the next visit, as we enjoyed when we pulled in from an 18 hour drive at the beginning of the summer. We got on the road at three PM and by six knew we'd be worthless to drive any farther and pulled into the Cimarron Canyon State Park Campground to lay up for the night to start our drive well-rested. Once we had camp set up and were cooking the last of our food for dinner a ranger informed us the campsites were for day use only and we'd have to go to the other camping area to stay over night. No tolerance for our cooking meal, I had to dump it before his eyes as my friend broke down the tent, wadding it, sleeping bags, and pads into the back of the Trooper for our drive to the designated camping area which turned out to be amongst a bunch of parked-for-the-season coaches from Texas (nouveau fly fishing lodges) that all seemed to have generators running for AC and TV. Having spent the summer in a cabin, in a valley that incurs into and is surrounded on three sides by the Weminuche Wilderness Area, we were audibly unable to stay for the inability to sleep there. Knowing that ahead of time we would have just overnighted there by the cabin at Spar City and started when we woke, well-rested. Longest night of driving I have ever spent. Short shifts at the wheel exchanged whenever we could find someplace lit up selling coffee and gas. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:56:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to recover. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
For remote car camps, Cochise Stronghold, and Palm Canyon in the KOFA wildlife refuge, Southern AZ. On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote: Exactly, Andy. It's that human-created adventure (most often bureaucracy created) that can leave me recovering for several days. I'd much rather feel well enough to ride or run. Trouble is, it's like avoiding gopher holes at a gallop. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 1:55:03 PM UTC-7, ascpgh wrote: Very true about the set-up of the camping area. On a return from my friend's family's cabin outside of Creede, CO we had a run in with the bad. We had to clean up and get things back to the easy in status for the next visit, as we enjoyed when we pulled in from an 18 hour drive at the beginning of the summer. We got on the road at three PM and by six knew we'd be worthless to drive any farther and pulled into the Cimarron Canyon State Park Campground to lay up for the night to start our drive well-rested. Once we had camp set up and were cooking the last of our food for dinner a ranger informed us the campsites were for day use only and we'd have to go to the other camping area to stay over night. No tolerance for our cooking meal, I had to dump it before his eyes as my friend broke down the tent, wadding it, sleeping bags, and pads into the back of the Trooper for our drive to the designated camping area which turned out to be amongst a bunch of parked-for-the-season coaches from Texas (nouveau fly fishing lodges) that all seemed to have generators running for AC and TV. Having spent the summer in a cabin, in a valley that incurs into and is surrounded on three sides by the Weminuche Wilderness Area, we were audibly unable to stay for the inability to sleep there. Knowing that ahead of time we would have just overnighted there by the cabin at Spar City and started when we woke, well-rested. Longest night of driving I have ever spent. Short shifts at the wheel exchanged whenever we could find someplace lit up selling coffee and gas. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:56:08 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote: Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to recover. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- Bill Gibson Tempe, Arizona, USA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Car and Bikepacking Ideas for January-February
Deacon: Santa Cruz Island is the most accessible of the Channel Islands. It's wonderful hiking has nice camping facilities. Transport is via a fairly large (IIRC around 70') boat from Ventura. Takes about an hour. It's a big marine diesel that you will notice, especially if you are sensitive. Not the banging crashing of construction equipment but noisier than say a Washington State ferry boat. The SB Channel can also get a swell running, especially in winter, if anyone in your family gets motion sick. Not trying to discourage you as I love Santa Cruz and encourage people to visit, but you want to go with full knowledge. dougP On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 9:56:08 AM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote: Great suggestion, Liesl. Saguaro, Joshua Tree, Mojeve, Death Valley, and Channel Islands are on our list. Depending not he NP set up at the campgrounds, they can be very quiet or obnoxiously loud. The trick is discerning which it is before I get screwed up and need two days to recover. Sardonic grin. With abandon, Patrick On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:24:55 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote: Joshua Tree is really a spectacular place and the weather should be warm enough at night (I think). If you can haul water, the campground without facilities is quiet in my experience. Mostly rock climbers. It is a place that is good for the soul. I camped there twice when I lived in SF; once in November for Thanksgiving. Friends had a 1 year old and it worked for a few days. Ranks tops on the list of memorable thanksgivings. Night lows then were low 30's, maybe high 20's. Check it out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
