Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
on 8/30/10 7:29 AM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. Nope. Not 1/2 Typo. Meant 1/8 didn't proofread. Drat. - J -- -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
That clears a lot up. I was seriously pondering half inch per foot?dang, the 'fiend is an animal! On Aug 30, 11:00 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 8/30/10 7:29 AM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. Nope. Not 1/2 Typo. Meant 1/8 didn't proofread. Drat. - J -- -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com That which is overdesigned, too highly specific, anticipates outcome; the anticipation of outcome guarantees, if not failure, the absence of grace. William Gibson - All Tomorrow's Parties -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I'm a fan of the KMC chains. You can get them at City Bikes. 3500 miles on the previous chain on Bleriot. On Aug 30, 12:31 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Here's what I typically use... http://tinyurl.com/27zo2t4 Thinking it's time to go with this though: http://tinyurl.com/397fww4 I use a 9-speed 'whatever is on sale' or 'costs least'. -Scott On Aug 30, 9:28 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: what kinda chain do you put on a Pugsley? with the larger wheel/tire the extra rotational load would seem to shorten the life of a chain. seems like a good case for a 1/2 chain. or maybe a tractor chain? I'm with William, 2k and change out the chain. It's the cheapest part of the drivetrain and easist to change. ~Mike~ On Aug 30, 8:34 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You answered my second question already -- dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb, DUMB! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Aug 29, 2:34 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Agreed... never broken a chain before last night. Thinking it pretty rare. Hoping it, extremely rare. Good thing you wasn't hurt. I ride 9 speed and use mainly Sram chains. However, I did use a Shimano 9 chain with sram masterlink and had the chain break on a climb. It wasn't the master link that broke, but another link away from it that I had never touched. Since I wasn't hurt, I just figure it was a bad chain. Don't know how you can check something like that. On a different note: just back from riding to LBS for chain [and some derailleur cables--as they looked pretty hanked]... 7 bucks a pop for cables [and a parking lot full of late model Saab's, Volvo's BMW's with roof racks loaded down with high-end carbone bikes, hmmm]? Yes, consumables have increased in prices over the last couple of years. Chain, cassettes/freewheels, cables, hoods and other replaceables have gone up. Not sure if its all the yuppies as you imply, but more the value of the dollar, or lack thereof. Good Luck! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I have run the Wipperman 908 of quite a few years. This is nickel coated, not ss, but it it outperforms, outlasts, resists rust much better than any other chain I have ever used - shimano, sram, ird. I think it would be a great choice in seattle. I've never used the ss chain, that's a whole nother jump in price. michael in Westford, VT On Aug 30, 1:30 am, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:13 PM, velomann wrote: on which I run Wipperman chains) How do you like the Wipperman chain? I noticed a while back they make a stainless chain, and thought I might pick one of those up next time I need a new chain. Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. On Aug 29, 6:10 pm, CycloFiend cyclofi...@earthlink.net wrote: on 8/29/10 4:09 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 12K on one chain? Isn't that way way way more than anyone would ever recommend? Probably. On multi-geared bikes, it will tend to degrade the cassette cogs if you run the chain too long - i.e. past its + 1/2 stretch point for 12 link pairs. After that point, you make longer gullies in the sprocket and new chains will just skim right over the top. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries -http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here -http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first hand that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the young roads. -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I Like the Wippermann chains, though as I said, I run the Sram Powerlink chains on most of my bikes. I can't imagine anything harder on drivetrains than racing cyclocross, and in three seasons the Wippermann chains have done the job without failure. Originally recommended to me by Charlie Wicker http://www.trailheadcoffeeroasters.com/ who recently built this http://bikeportland.org/2010/08/11/portlands-strong-coffee-and-bike-connection-maturesnd-37576 He said he only uses Wippermann chains, and if it's good enough for Charlie, that's all the recommendation I need. Though I admit price was also a consideration. The cross bike needs a 10-speed chain - regularly - and Wippermann chains through Performance are the best deal I've found. I use the nickle-plated and they do last longer than Shimano chains. My main complaint with 10 (or 11!) speed cogs (besides the fact I just don't need that many gears) is the accelerated wear on the drivetrain combined with the increased expense of said consumables. Brilliant marketing, that. I've got a box of 30 or so 5, 6, and 7 speed freewheels I've scavenged for free or super cheap and serviced myself - pretty much a lifetime supply for most of my riding, I figure. If I had it to do over again, the cyclocross rig would run a 1 X 9 with a single bar-end shifter. Maybe someday, but after three seasons I just can't seem to kill the 105 brifters; those things are mighty! On Aug 29, 10:30 pm, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote: On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:13 PM, velomann wrote: on which I run Wipperman chains) How do you like the Wipperman chain? I noticed a while back they make a stainless chain, and thought I might pick one of those up next time I need a new chain. Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
You answered my second question already -- dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb, DUMB! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
what kinda chain do you put on a Pugsley? with the larger wheel/tire the extra rotational load would seem to shorten the life of a chain. seems like a good case for a 1/2 chain. or maybe a tractor chain? I'm with William, 2k and change out the chain. It's the cheapest part of the drivetrain and easist to change. ~Mike~ On Aug 30, 8:34 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You answered my second question already -- dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb, DUMB! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Many years ago, while commuting in college ruined and entire drivetrain in one winter. Instead of cleaning the chain at regular intervals, just put more Phil Oil on it. By the time spring came around the chain was stretched, and both the freewheel and front rings had distinct hooks in 'em. Have broken one chain, a SRAM. While climbing a hill in winter. Never did figure out the underlying cause. About three links away from the master link. Like William was originally taught to replace every 2,000 miles (less in winter). As these things go, since I've been back into riding have gotten more and more lax about that. Do carry a chain tool in all my bike bags, though. Like the fiber spoke, it's more there for protection. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Aug 30, 10:33 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Chains for 6-7-8 speed service are usually easy to find on sale so I stock up a few at a time. I've never broken a chain but have never pushed one beyond maybe 5k-6k miles in a mild, dry climate. I have worn out rings and cogs. Since 8 speed stuff is becoming increasingly scarce, I've started changing chains every 2-3k miles, regardless of measurement. Riders in wet climates such as Seattle have mentioned changing every 1k miles to prolong cog ring life. Chains are comparatively cheap and easy to change. Also, that factory lubrication is better than anything we can do. dougP On Aug 30, 8:33 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Here's what I typically use... http://tinyurl.com/27zo2t4 Thinking it's time to go with this though: http://tinyurl.com/397fww4 I use a 9-speed 'whatever is on sale' or 'costs least'. -Scott On Aug 30, 9:28 am, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: what kinda chain do you put on a Pugsley? with the larger wheel/tire the extra rotational load would seem to shorten the life of a chain. seems like a good case for a 1/2 chain. or maybe a tractor chain? I'm with William, 2k and change out the chain. It's the cheapest part of the drivetrain and easist to change. ~Mike~ On Aug 30, 8:34 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: You answered my second question already -- dumb, dumb-dumb-dumb, DUMB! On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 9:33 AM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I have no clue how much use I get anymore. It's a spectacular week if I get 100 miles ridden, shared between 3 frequently used bikes so it takes me years to stretch chains, and I no longer use a cyclometer so who knows how many miles that is. Every bike has super low gears now, so I'm sure the answer is a lot of miles per 1/8 of stretch. A lot more miles than it was in my youth when my granny gear was a 42/24. On Aug 30, 8:33 am, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:29 AM, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 1/2 per foot. Wow. I was brought up by some pretty fastidious mechanics. I was taught in the early 80's 2000 miles or 1/8 per foot, whichever comes first. Perhaps that's the reason I have always stocked up on chains and have never replaced a cogset or chainring due to wear in my life. How many miles on those rings and cogs? I've got 10K+ miles on the single 46 t Cyclotourist (old mfr) ring and almost that much on the 15 t Dura Ace track cog; the cog is fine, the ring is showing the beginning of hook where the backside of the troughs wears from the rollers. (No sign of deterioration in performance, though. I check my chains regularly and have changed that on this bike at least 3 times; how long do *you* get between that 1/8 stretch? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Ouch, Scott, that must have hurt. Any further info? Manufacturing defect, worn chain, damage to chain from stone? I know these things are hard to diagnose. Ride safe, Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Precisely why I carry a chain tool (plus some extra links) always and never depend on those goofy quickee links. I predict your repair kit will evolve soon. Thankfully you suffered no permanent damageright? By the way. the past article in the Reader regarding your lifestyle change was a true inspiration to me personally. On Aug 29, 1:41 am, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Out on a rather long Pug ride today. Climbing a mother-steep hill, about 12 miles from home, out of the saddle pushing hard, SMACK. Chain snapped 5 links away from the master-link. Ribs directly into handlebars, pubic bone directly into toptube... ouch. Slow, limping, walk home. Check your chain before it checks you. Just thought I'd share my day... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Scott: Well that stinks... Park Tools makes an awesome folding chain tool that fits in your pocket or tool pouch... I always carry one of these along with a few extra chain links and a quick-link. I can't tell you how many times this has happened to me, where fortunately I had the tool and few extra links to fix on the spot... Breaking a chain sucks, and is virtually unavoidable... walking home sucks even more. Peace, BB On Aug 29, 4:41 am, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Out on a rather long Pug ride today. Climbing a mother-steep hill, about 12 miles from home, out of the saddle pushing hard, SMACK. Chain snapped 5 links away from the master-link. Ribs directly into handlebars, pubic bone directly into toptube... ouch. Slow, limping, walk home. Check your chain before it checks you. Just thought I'd share my day... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I am doing fine, just sore and bruised [about to ride the Bleriot to get a new chain for the Pug]. No, I saw nothing obvious on the chain -but it was quite dark and with my h-bar light didn't notice much... and no inspecting it later as I chucked the chain into a garbage can near the place of failure- so I can't report any defects, etc. Chain had to be worn though... I've put a little over 12,400 miles on the Pug since Feb. of this year [and the chain was well-used last year]. Pug does great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: .. Breaking a chain sucks, and is virtually unavoidable... walking home sucks even more. Agree with you on assertion two, but assertion one is not my experience, anyway -- at all true. In 50 years of riding I've broken a chain once and that was due to poor installation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:52 PM, S.Cutshall great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott 4-5 psi --- um! Makes the 12 psi on the BAs look like track pressures! Someday ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I've also only had one chain that broke on me. That was on an uphill stretch, which fortunately didn't end up with me being thrown forward. I had a chain tool with me, and some spare chain links. In a few minutes I was on my way again This occurred far from home on a lightly traveled rural road (the road from Amado to Arivaca, for you Arizona folks), before the days of cell phones, so I would have needed to depend on the kindness of others to bail me out if I couldn't fix the chain. I alway carry a Park CT-5C Mini Chain Brute Tool and spare links in my kit. Jim Cloud Tucson, AZ On Aug 29, 1:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Montclair BobbyBmontclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: .. Breaking a chain sucks, and is virtually unavoidable... walking home sucks even more. Agree with you on assertion two, but assertion one is not my experience, anyway -- at all true. In 50 years of riding I've broken a chain once and that was due to poor installation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Agreed... never broken a chain before last night. Thinking it pretty rare. Hoping it, extremely rare. On a different note: just back from riding to LBS for chain [and some derailleur cables--as they looked pretty hanked]... 7 bucks a pop for cables [and a parking lot full of late model Saab's, Volvo's BMW's with roof racks loaded down with high-end carbone bikes, hmmm]? -Scott On Aug 29, 1:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Montclair BobbyBmontclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: .. Breaking a chain sucks, and is virtually unavoidable... walking home sucks even more. Agree with you on assertion two, but assertion one is not my experience, anyway -- at all true. In 50 years of riding I've broken a chain once and that was due to poor installation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Wow Scott...over 12K on a Pug ! Ghee whizz that is a whole bunch of riding. My cycling cap goes off to you. We're not worthy, we're not worthy, excellent !!! : ) I'm going to find the time to ride more because its fun.that's all I know. On Aug 29, 12:52 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing fine, just sore and bruised [about to ride the Bleriot to get a new chain for the Pug]. No, I saw nothing obvious on the chain -but it was quite dark and with my h-bar light didn't notice much... and no inspecting it later as I chucked the chain into a garbage can near the place of failure- so I can't report any defects, etc. Chain had to be worn though... I've put a little over 12,400 miles on the Pug since Feb. of this year [and the chain was well-used last year]. Pug does great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:34 PM, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: On a different note: just back from riding to LBS for chain [and some derailleur cables--as they looked pretty hanked]... 7 bucks a pop for cables [and a parking lot full of late model Saab's, Volvo's BMW's with roof racks loaded down with high-end carbone bikes, hmmm]? Vignette: Location: higher end bike shop, Fat Tire Cycles, ABQ, NM. Time: Saturday morning, about 2 years ago. Characters: me, going in for a wheel build; man with a carbon bike in because the brifters are off. I scuttle the butt with the staff and, as I am walking out, I see said man muttering to himself as he gets ready to load the bike into his Hummer. Oh well, we're all fools in our own way -- I certainly don't exempt myself! Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Thanks. Yeah, this year my project has been, what I call, The Year of The Pug. I've tried [am trying] to do all my rides [pleasure, errands, etc] via The Pug. Mostly successful so far, a few rides on the Bleriot/a couple on my custom [before I stored it away] and a couple on loaners whilst traveling, but otherwise... it's been All-Pug, All-The-Time. I shot for 20K last year, almost made it too [short by 300 miles], wanted 25K this year, got The Pug and realized impossible, unless I am willing to either weigh 90 pounds by X-Mas land in the ER and/or begin intaking an additional 2000 calories per day... so I feel like 16-17K by year's end on the Pug is good. Next year... less Pug [it's fun, but it's laborious too]. -Scott On Aug 29, 3:31 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow Scott...over 12K on a Pug ! Ghee whizz that is a whole bunch of riding. My cycling cap goes off to you. We're not worthy, we're not worthy, excellent !!! : ) I'm going to find the time to ride more because its fun.that's all I know. On Aug 29, 12:52 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing fine, just sore and bruised [about to ride the Bleriot to get a new chain for the Pug]. No, I saw nothing obvious on the chain -but it was quite dark and with my h-bar light didn't notice much... and no inspecting it later as I chucked the chain into a garbage can near the place of failure- so I can't report any defects, etc. Chain had to be worn though... I've put a little over 12,400 miles on the Pug since Feb. of this year [and the chain was well-used last year]. Pug does great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
12K on one chain? Isn't that way way way more than anyone would ever recommend? On Aug 29, 3:43 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Yeah, this year my project has been, what I call, The Year of The Pug. I've tried [am trying] to do all my rides [pleasure, errands, etc] via The Pug. Mostly successful so far, a few rides on the Bleriot/a couple on my custom [before I stored it away] and a couple on loaners whilst traveling, but otherwise... it's been All-Pug, All-The-Time. I shot for 20K last year, almost made it too [short by 300 miles], wanted 25K this year, got The Pug and realized impossible, unless I am willing to either weigh 90 pounds by X-Mas land in the ER and/or begin intaking an additional 2000 calories per day... so I feel like 16-17K by year's end on the Pug is good. Next year... less Pug [it's fun, but it's laborious too]. -Scott On Aug 29, 3:31 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow Scott...over 12K on a Pug ! Ghee whizz that is a whole bunch of riding. My cycling cap goes off to you. We're not worthy, we're not worthy, excellent !!! : ) I'm going to find the time to ride more because its fun.that's all I know. On Aug 29, 12:52 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing fine, just sore and bruised [about to ride the Bleriot to get a new chain for the Pug]. No, I saw nothing obvious on the chain -but it was quite dark and with my h-bar light didn't notice much... and no inspecting it later as I chucked the chain into a garbage can near the place of failure- so I can't report any defects, etc. Chain had to be worn though... I've put a little over 12,400 miles on the Pug since Feb. of this year [and the chain was well-used last year]. Pug does great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Perhaps... I know this though, my ribs and pubic bone would wholeheartedly agree with you. That said, last year I got 19,700 miles out of single chain, in Portland, Oregon no less. -Scott On Aug 29, 4:09 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 12K on one chain? Isn't that way way way more than anyone would ever recommend? On Aug 29, 3:43 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. Yeah, this year my project has been, what I call, The Year of The Pug. I've tried [am trying] to do all my rides [pleasure, errands, etc] via The Pug. Mostly successful so far, a few rides on the Bleriot/a couple on my custom [before I stored it away] and a couple on loaners whilst traveling, but otherwise... it's been All-Pug, All-The-Time. I shot for 20K last year, almost made it too [short by 300 miles], wanted 25K this year, got The Pug and realized impossible, unless I am willing to either weigh 90 pounds by X-Mas land in the ER and/or begin intaking an additional 2000 calories per day... so I feel like 16-17K by year's end on the Pug is good. Next year... less Pug [it's fun, but it's laborious too]. -Scott On Aug 29, 3:31 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow Scott...over 12K on a Pug ! Ghee whizz that is a whole bunch of riding. My cycling cap goes off to you. We're not worthy, we're not worthy, excellent !!! : ) I'm going to find the time to ride more because its fun.that's all I know. On Aug 29, 12:52 pm, S.Cutshall clotht...@gmail.com wrote: I am doing fine, just sore and bruised [about to ride the Bleriot to get a new chain for the Pug]. No, I saw nothing obvious on the chain -but it was quite dark and with my h-bar light didn't notice much... and no inspecting it later as I chucked the chain into a garbage can near the place of failure- so I can't report any defects, etc. Chain had to be worn though... I've put a little over 12,400 miles on the Pug since Feb. of this year [and the chain was well-used last year]. Pug does great in the sand, Patrick... just take the tire pressure down to 4 or 5lbs PSI and go, go, go... -Scott -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
Patrick: I do a lot of mountain biking, and I bust 9-speed chains more than I care to admit and it's seldom quik-link that fails... I think the 9-speed is just too THIN, which is another reason I really want to stay with 7 or 8 speed (and a thicker-linked chain). I should ask where you buy your chains... Peace, BB On Aug 29, 4:10 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:47 AM, Montclair BobbyBmontclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: .. Breaking a chain sucks, and is virtually unavoidable... walking home sucks even more. Agree with you on assertion two, but assertion one is not my experience, anyway -- at all true. In 50 years of riding I've broken a chain once and that was due to poor installation. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
on 8/29/10 4:09 PM, William at tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: 12K on one chain? Isn't that way way way more than anyone would ever recommend? Probably. On multi-geared bikes, it will tend to degrade the cassette cogs if you run the chain too long - i.e. past its + 1/2 stretch point for 12 link pairs. After that point, you make longer gullies in the sprocket and new chains will just skim right over the top. - J -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Gallery updates now appear here - http://cyclofiend.blogspot.com Maybe a bike, once discarded, pines away year after year for the first hand that steered it, and as it grows old it dreams, in its bike way, of the young roads. -- Robert McCammon, Boy's Life -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I use 8 speed chains where I can, but I've used 9 and even 10 speed (Connex) chains on derailleur and fixed gear bikes with no problems, all with master links. I usually get the cheapest Sachs chains I can find. Perhaps the problem happens more with Shimano chains? 170 lb; tend to be a masher; never shift under load -- learned to shift back when Eddy was in his prime. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick: I do a lot of mountain biking, and I bust 9-speed chains more than I care to admit and it's seldom quik-link that fails... I think the 9-speed is just too THIN, which is another reason I really want to stay with 7 or 8 speed (and a thicker-linked chain). I should ask where you buy your chains... Peace, BB On Aug 29, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
I agree with the advice on the SRAM Connex chains. I use their 8- speeds on everything I ride or build for others. (the exception being my cross bike which came stack with a 10-speed cassette and on which I run Wipperman chains) Thousands and thousands of miles on the Sram chains and no breaks yet. Pretty inexpensive and plus they are easy to remove when you need to. On Aug 29, 6:17 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I use 8 speed chains where I can, but I've used 9 and even 10 speed (Connex) chains on derailleur and fixed gear bikes with no problems, all with master links. I usually get the cheapest Sachs chains I can find. Perhaps the problem happens more with Shimano chains? 170 lb; tend to be a masher; never shift under load -- learned to shift back when Eddy was in his prime. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick: I do a lot of mountain biking, and I bust 9-speed chains more than I care to admit and it's seldom quik-link that fails... I think the 9-speed is just too THIN, which is another reason I really want to stay with 7 or 8 speed (and a thicker-linked chain). I should ask where you buy your chains... Peace, BB On Aug 29, -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Check 'dem Chains Folks
On Aug 29, 2010, at 8:13 PM, velomann wrote: on which I run Wipperman chains) How do you like the Wipperman chain? I noticed a while back they make a stainless chain, and thought I might pick one of those up next time I need a new chain. Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
