[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Jeremy Till]

Ask and ye shall receive, Bill:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BbpzDCSgESY/

2018 Soma Buena Vista will have discs and take 650b wheels. Sliding dropouts 
mean all you would need is a disc fixed hub (Paul Components, maybe?), and 
you'd have your 

DISKY FIXIE SIX FIFTY MIXTE.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[lum gim fong]

Yup, they dangle too low below fork crown . Inhibits max fender clearance.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[tc]

John, my PBH is 90.5 and I ride a 58 Sam with 46cm noodles and the 80mm 
Tallux stem.  I have Schwalbe 35mm Marathons on it.  Just a wonderful bike 
all around.  Having a canti version would solve the issue I have with 
trying to install decent metal fenders ... just not enough room for 
anything but plastic SKS fenders with the tektro long reach brakes.

On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 5:14:26 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
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> Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which 
> puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do 
> you ride?

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Ann I would have stuck with the 15k story 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[lum gim fong]

You could do RAAM on your Joe!

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

It was a typo.  I've logged over 1,500 so far.  But 170 miles a day would 
be both epic and awesome :)

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 6:49:37 AM UTC-5, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Don't be jealous. You'll just have to start 10 bikes, 2000 miles each, one 
> month. You got this.
>
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 5:59:49 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> 15,000 miles in three months is a 170 mile a day average. I hope that’s a 
>> typo
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Don't be jealous. You'll just have to start 10 bikes, 2000 miles each, one 
month. You got this.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 5:59:49 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
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> 15,000 miles in three months is a 170 mile a day average. I hope that’s a 
> typo

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

15,000 miles in three months is a 170 mile a day average. I hope that’s a typo

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

If this sale had come up 4 months ago, I would've have been totally down 
for this set up.  I greatly admired the sage Sam's but thought they needed 
the contrasting cream head tubes.  I really like how they have expanded the 
tire width accommodation.  

I really love my Appaloosa and have put over 15k miles in the past three 
months.  But it would have been a much harder decision if this was on the 
table.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 1:47:33 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I hope somebody follows Will's advice and builds a two-speed Cheviot.  
> Will recommended a 17T freewheel with a 40/26 in front and a Paul Melvin.  
> That would rock.  No derailleurs at all would be fine.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 5:09:12 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% 
>> rebate on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up 
>>> $100 a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly 
>>> wonderful Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
>>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
>>> for sale in a couple months! 
>>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

BILL.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

As tempting as it may be, I do not need to see a FIXIE DISKY MIXTE.   Maybe 
it would be cool to see one with 584mm wheels, which might be called a SIX 
FIFTY DISKY MIXTE.  The most perverse one might be to get one custom built 
in Titanium, in which case you might end up with a:

*LYNSKEY SIX FIFTY FIXIE DISKY MIXTE*



On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 1:37:43 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> That's a nifty DISKY MIXTE. I want one just like that, clear coated!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[R Shannon]

That is one nice “disky mixte”. Beautiful proportions. Thanks  for sharing Bill.

Best,
Richard

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> On Oct 31, 2017, at 4:37 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
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> That's a nifty DISKY MIXTE. I want one just like that, clear coated!
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

That's a nifty DISKY MIXTE. I want one just like that, clear coated!

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

Joe is probably right that Rivendell won't likely add disc brakes to a step 
through, but as a bike mechanic the thing I dislike the most about most 
step-through bikes is the rear brake cable routing.  A "DISKY MIXTE" would 
eliminate those routing workarounds by running everything down the 
downtube.  Even if Riv doesn't ever build one, I want to see more DISKY 
MIXTES.  Ahearne has done several.  This should be a link to one of them:  
DISKY 
MIXTE 


 Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 12:42:46 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Ha! I don't think Riv is ever going to do discs, but if one of the 
> youngsters talked Grant into it, it would be on a stout TIG'd model like 
> the Clem. Which currently comes as a step-through with cantis, so I don't 
> see the need to change brakes on the Cheviot. Chev is more of a 
> road/country bike like the Hilsen and Hillborne, but with a dropped toptube 
> (droptube). I think it's pretty cool the way it is. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Not a Cheviot, but I have similar drivetrain plans for my Clem.  Well, I 
should more accurately state that I've been trying to decide between doing 
the Paul Melvin dingle thing with a single cog and spacers on the stock 
rear wheel and Silver double crank vs. a 1x9 using a spare crank (or 
1-at-a-time x 9 with the stock Silver double) and 12-36 9sp cassette.

I'd need to get a spacer kit if choosing the former but have the Melvin and 
all other parts sitting around waiting.  Nothing wrong with the current 2x8 
stock build but I haven't been getting much mileage lately and found 
the limited gearing of a single or 1x9 will be plenty for my expected 
riding  and I'm catching the tinkering bug again after a 6 month self 
imposed moratorium.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

 

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 2:47:33 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I hope somebody follows Will's advice and builds a two-speed Cheviot.  
> Will recommended a 17T freewheel with a 40/26 in front and a Paul Melvin.  
> That would rock.  No derailleurs at all would be fine.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 5:09:12 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% 
>> rebate on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.
>>
>> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up 
>>> $100 a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly 
>>> wonderful Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
>>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
>>> for sale in a couple months! 
>>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

Ha! I don't think Riv is ever going to do discs, but if one of the youngsters 
talked Grant into it, it would be on a stout TIG'd model like the Clem. Which 
currently comes as a step-through with cantis, so I don't see the need to 
change brakes on the Cheviot. Chev is more of a road/country bike like the 
Hilsen and Hillborne, but with a dropped toptube (droptube). I think it's 
pretty cool the way it is. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

I hope somebody follows Will's advice and builds a two-speed Cheviot.  Will 
recommended a 17T freewheel with a 40/26 in front and a Paul Melvin.  That 
would rock.  No derailleurs at all would be fine.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 5:09:12 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate 
> on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
>> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
>> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
>> for sale in a couple months! 
>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[lconley]

The Eno eccentric rear hub had to be positioned rear and down the get the 
rear Big Ben to clear. I had to use center-pull brakes to get the front Big 
Ben to clear. "Clear" means not touching. The rims are Velocity Atlas. I 
moved the parts to my V1 Roscoe Bubbe and sold the Sam frame (only Riv that 
I have parted with) - it actually has less clearance in the rear - I had to 
true the wheels/tires to the frame to compensate for slight variances in 
the tire. Clearance is a couple sheets of paper - need to keep the tire 
pressure down also. Do not try this at home.

On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 2:06:08 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I dislike double top tubes, but I like the rest of this Sam! Well, I'd 
> prefer discs or cantis. But the *rest* of it! 
>
> ENO?
>
> And are the Big Bens, as a very quick Google said, really 2" wide? On a 
> Sam?
>
> My earlier, 55 or 56 cm single tt Sam wouldn't take a 50 mm tire, so I 
> guess they've changed the design?
>
>
>> With Big Bens and centerpulls:
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Patrick Moore]

I dislike double top tubes, but I like the rest of this Sam! Well, I'd
prefer discs or cantis. But the *rest* of it!

ENO?

And are the Big Bens, as a very quick Google said, really 2" wide? On a Sam?

My earlier, 55 or 56 cm single tt Sam wouldn't take a 50 mm tire, so I
guess they've changed the design?

On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 7:20 AM, lconley  wrote:

> With Little Big Bens and sidepulls:
>
> 
>
> With Big Bens and centerpulls:
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 5:14:26 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:
>
>> Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which
>> puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do
>> you ride?
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Belopsky]

LOL!
On Tuesday, October 31, 2017 at 1:55:15 PM UTC-4, CoalTrain wrote:
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> Next Cheviot run they need to add* disc brakes* or cantis. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[CoalTrain]

Next Cheviot run they need to add disc brakes or cantis. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[RandoNate]

Hey that's my bike!  Thanks again lconley for one of my best all time 
purchases!  I do kinda wish it had cantis though...

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Philip Kim]

wow, thanks for pointing this out to me. newsletter was buried in my inbox.

that cheviot color looks awesome, and i do love the sage color. it will 
look nice on the cheviot.

i  would love a canti sam, but too many bikes not enough funds. if the 
cheviot ever had cantis, i don't know if i could resist...

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 6:51:00 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
> for sale in a couple months! 
> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Surlyprof]

Bob,

I have an orange canti-Sam and ride both trails and roads.  I do switch 
wheelsets often lighter Synergies with Barlow Pass ELs for roads and A719s with 
Smart Sams for trails.  The Sam handles both pretty well.  I'd thought about 
trading to a Joe when they first came out for the wider tire clearance but 
liked the Sam better on roads.  I think I'd prefer the Joe on trails and for 
bike packing (although Sam handles it).  If I'd been debating it at purchase, 
it would have been a tough decision.  Since I would have had to sell the Sam to 
buy the Joe, I stayed happy with what I had.

One thing I found is the cx50 brakes are a must on a canti bike if you change 
wheels often.  Will suggested that and it's been a great purchase.

John

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Surlyprof]

I'm not one for single speeds but THAT is a beautiful Sam!

John

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[lconley]

With Little Big Bens and sidepulls:


With Big Bens and centerpulls:





On Saturday, October 28, 2017 at 5:14:26 PM UTC-4, John G. wrote:

> Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which 
> puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do 
> you ride?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[R Shannon]

John,

Dave at Rivendell has a Sam single speed. Check out the Staff Bikes page on the 
Riv site.

Best,
Richard

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> On Oct 28, 2017, at 5:14 PM, John G.  wrote:
> 
> Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which 
> puts me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do 
> you ride?
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[John G.]

Anyone build up a Sam as a single speed? My PBH is just about a 91, which puts 
me on the edge. Anyone else with a 91 PBH riding a Sam? Which size do you ride?

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[lum gim fong]

Great idea for cantis!
I think every rivbike should have canti option  for max tire and fender 
clearance and easy front rackability.

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[RichS]

Regarding the Sam/Atlantis question: I have both. The weight isn’t much 
different between the two but in my experience the feel and handling are quite 
dissimilar.

The Sam has a lighter feel on the front. The Atlantis feels more “planted” and 
a bit stiffer overall. Tubing, geometry and wheel size obviously contribute to 
the ride characteristics.
51 Sam being 650B; 53 Atlantis is 26”.

The Sam is the most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden. I’m tempted to bite on 
this deal! The black and cream color combo is gorgeous. Cantis too! 

Regards,
Richard

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

Jay, my Clem L is literally three months old (maybe four) so this is 
ridiculous, but I *really* like the fully-lugged Chev, and that color at that 
price came at a perfect convergence where I had just sold a recumbent trike and 
a couple bags. BOOM. Plus I have some heavy sentimental value invested in the 
Roadini color which reminds me of my first Riv, a Romulus. 

Now I just have to decide what to do with the Clem. I have the cranks and front 
derailer that came on it, which I removed for the e-kit, plus the Boscos and 
stem I just replaced with a Jones Loop. The Chev will need road calipers and 
short-pull levers, so that leaves the brakeset on the Clem. Oy, now that I 
think about it, I pretty much just need another 650B wheelset to have two 
complete bikes! ;-)

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Belopsky]

theyre like the previous iteration except w cantis

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bob Lovejoy]

I assume the 58cm canti-Sam will be a single top tube (like the 2016 
versions).  Anyone know or suspect that not to be true?

Bob

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Jay Connolly]

If I didn’t have the big Clem L on the way, I’d be all over the Cheviot.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

I'll have to dig into all the literature more, but I presume the Cheviot is 
more like a Sam with a droptube. I'm thinking it's sportier/less-touring-ish 
than a Joe A. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bob Lovejoy]

A canti-Sam has always been near the top of my list and a choice of black 
or the sage makes my head spin.  That said, I just built up a perfectly 
good and fairly cool Raleigh Randonneur and have an Appaloosa that is 
perfect for me.  I also have a more-than-perfect Cheviot.  I think I am at 
or in a good place.

Still... a great price and a great chance.

Question...  Would people consider a canti-Sam something of a sportier but 
still do-it-all bike versus the Joe A.?  

So, from sporty to less sporty (and not considering the Waterford's or 
customs or, I suppose, the Clem's):

Roadini
Sam H.
Joe A.
Cheviot

I know, at least assume, the Sam is better for a drop-bar set-up (though 
mine is currently successfully set-up with drops) and also has a shorter 
wheelbase.  Does anyone know if the tubing is the same on Sam versus the 
Joe?  I know the forks are different - and probably stouter on the Joe.

I should also add that I believe each of these four bikes to be perfect for 
their intended purpose.  I was just trying to imagine the ride difference 
between the Sam and the Joe.

Anyway, I have backed away from the keyboard a few times but wow(!), 
something of a deal on a bike I have always wanted is hard to not consider. 
 Anyone on the fence and without new builds or bikes in the recent past 
should really consider this!

Bob L.
Galesburg, IL 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Belopsky]

I wouldn't do it. The Atlantis is great and the SH won't be that much 
lighter/whippier.

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 8:05:44 PM UTC-4, Brencho wrote:
>
> ha yeah i'm pretty tempted myself! i'm thinking of a sam to be a lighter 
> whippier alternative to my atlantis but my better judgment says to chill 
> out (and imagining my wife's response)...
>
>
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
>> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
>> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
>> for sale in a couple months! 
>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bernard]

Ah geez, I gotta buy road brakes. You're right, Bill, that rebate is gonna come 
in handy!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Joe Bunik]

I still think a canti-Cheviot would be AWESOME... just sayin'.
=- Joe Bunik
Nut Creek, CA

On 10/27/17, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
> That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate
> on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.
>
> On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100
>>
>> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful
>> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev.
>> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame
>>
>> for sale in a couple months!
>> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go.
>
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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Bill Lindsay]

That price is like found money.  Criminy.  Remember you get your 5% rebate 
on that $1000 also, so it's really like $950.

On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
> for sale in a couple months! 
> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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[RBW] Re: Cheviot and Canti-Sam presale

[Brencho]

ha yeah i'm pretty tempted myself! i'm thinking of a sam to be a lighter 
whippier alternative to my atlantis but my better judgment says to chill 
out (and imagining my wife's response)...



On Friday, October 27, 2017 at 3:51:00 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I just got this email from Riv. New frames going for $1000 today; up $100 
> a day til they're at full price Monday. Yes I have a perfectly wonderful 
> Clem L, but I couldn't resist that price on a Roadini Blue Chev. 
> Fortunately all my Clem stuff will transfer, so prepare for a Clem L frame 
> for sale in a couple months! 
> Check the site right now don't wait hurry go. 

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