[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Looks good, Tim. Last night I was reminded how much I love setting up 
fenders as I decided to make my fixed gear more useful with a pair of 
vintage Bluemels I've had lying around forever. Got the word from Rivendell 
that my Clementine has been shipped. ETA is a week from today, but if I get 
lucky... And my Cascadia ALX 27.5 Wide should be here by then. Someone over 
on iBoB just put a pair of these on his pink Elephant. They clear a 48mm 
tire and have a flattish profile, but they are definitely on the short 
side. I plan to add a few inches with some yellow reflective tape and a bit 
of plastic.

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 11:55:01 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 8:53:11 PM UTC-8, Tim Wood wrote:
> > So I installed the black Cascadias and I'm pretty happy with how they 
> turned out. They went on smooth, fender line is dialed, the coverage is 
> great and I don't mind the look. 
> > 
> > Tim
>
> Damn iOS. Always flipping my damn pictures. 
>
> https://flic.kr/p/AKfzVz
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Wood]

On Sunday, November 22, 2015 at 8:53:11 PM UTC-8, Tim Wood wrote:
> So I installed the black Cascadias and I'm pretty happy with how they turned 
> out. They went on smooth, fender line is dialed, the coverage is great and I 
> don't mind the look. 
> 
> Tim

Damn iOS. Always flipping my damn pictures. 

https://flic.kr/p/AKfzVz

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[ian m]

I went with SKS P50 on my Clem w/ 650b Schwalbe lil Big Ben. Coverage is fine 
but definitely couldn't go with a wider tire

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Wood]

Ha! Yup, my yellow lab is crazy for that thing! And in looking at the photos 
again I should have maybe picked a less busy back drop, but they were in haste. 

Anyway, that's a generous offer, no pressure tho if you want to go through with 
your order. I'll PM you later this weekend and we can talk details. 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[iamkeith]

Tim, did you happen to take any photos of the bike with the silver B65s?  I 
like SKS fenders a lot, and was just about to order some.   While driving 
around lately, I keep looking at dark silver cars with matte. light-colored 
aluminum wheels, find the combination attractive, and was thinking it would 
look equally great on the silver clem.  You have me hesitating now - though 
I suspect its mostly a personal preference thing.   I won't use anything 
less than a 2..3 or 2.4 tire, so perhaps the fenders won't look as 
dominant?  Anyway - would love to see a photo, even if the fender is just 
sitting there loosely.

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 8:23:01 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> I'm having fender dilemmas, mainly because I'm picky when it comes to 
> fender appearance. The first set I tried was the B65 in silver (my Clem is 
> 700c), and while they fit well over the stock 29x2.0, they looked awful, 
> and huge.  Maybe the long stays expose the rear tire more but the fenders 
> seemed to dominate the appearance. Also, the new SKS's have pin stripping 
> down the centre and I just wasn't digging it, it could have also been the 
> silver wasn't playing well with the grey paint. For some reason I then 
> tried the silver p55's, and while they are marketed as a 26" fender, riv 
> recommends them for 29" up to a 2.0. They were barely wide enough to cover 
> the tread and being a 26, longboard or not, they were just too short. And 
> again, the pinstriping. I was willing to settle on the p55 as I have plans 
> to try out the new soma 42c gumwall and thought it was a good fit, but they 
> just weren't looking right. Both of those sets are going back and I'm going 
> to try some black planet bike cascadia 29ers.  Hoping they look decent and 
> are full coverage. Sigh.

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Tim Wood]

Hey Keith, you and I seem to enjoy fretting over bike details together!  I was 
laughing at myself as I literally have 3 sets of brand new fenders for my Clem 
and I can't make a decision. Every time I rule one out I look at a picture or 
throw them back on and change my mind. Oh the curse of indecision. 

So I took some quick photos of the fender selections on the bike. They aren't 
great but hopefully they give you an idea of what will work. I actually already 
had the B65's packaged up to be returned but I opened the box again for the 
shots and they aren't as bad as I remember. I'm fairly certain I'll end up 
ruling them out so if you, or anyone else wants them I'll sell them for $55 and 
I'll eat the shipping in conus. 

Here's the photos:  
https://flickr.com/photos/137638381@N05/sets/72157660720878839

Tim 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Those photos are helpful, thanks. I see what you mean about the 
pinstriping--it's always been there, but I think it is different on this 
newer model. My 65s have three black lines very close together (middle one 
slightly thicker) right down the center. It has 4 other "stripes" but these 
are reflective, almost gives the fender a faceted look. The new ones look 
like they are all black, no reflective. Or are they all reflective, and 
that is the way they photograph?

Anyway, I will be putting some yellow reflective tape on my black 27.5 
Cascadia ALX 27.5" Wide. I think I will go for a "bee" theme;^) The ALX 
{aluminum} series look a tad less shiny than the polycarbonate--at least on 
the tiny pictures planet bike has on the website. Might go nicely with that 
charcoal Clem if ordering a 4th set doesn't send you over the edge...

The 55s are definitely too skinny for a 50mm tire, no?

Also I find once racks, bags, lights, etc are on, fenders are not *quite* 
as prominent. But still.

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 4:29:38 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Hey Keith, you and I seem to enjoy fretting over bike details together!  I 
> was laughing at myself as I literally have 3 sets of brand new fenders for 
> my Clem and I can't make a decision. Every time I rule one out I look at a 
> picture or throw them back on and change my mind. Oh the curse of 
> indecision. 
>
> So I took some quick photos of the fender selections on the bike. They 
> aren't great but hopefully they give you an idea of what will work. I 
> actually already had the B65's packaged up to be returned but I opened the 
> box again for the shots and they aren't as bad as I remember. I'm fairly 
> certain I'll end up ruling them out so if you, or anyone else wants them 
> I'll sell them for $55 and I'll eat the shipping in conus. 
>
> Here's the photos:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/137638381@N05/sets/72157660720878839
>
> Tim 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would go with the 65s too. Maybe spray them a color close to the color of 
the type in "SMITH"--Hammered pewter?



*http://tinyurl.com/onwg7ul *
On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 5:47:15 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Let's crowd source this puppy.
> I vote for the B65s! The P55s are too small and the black ones don't match 
> enough, to my eyes. 
>
> My two cents, worth slightly less than that,
>
> Edwin
>
> On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 3:29:38 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:
>>
>> Hey Keith, you and I seem to enjoy fretting over bike details together! 
>>  I was laughing at myself as I literally have 3 sets of brand new fenders 
>> for my Clem and I can't make a decision. Every time I rule one out I look 
>> at a picture or throw them back on and change my mind. Oh the curse of 
>> indecision. 
>>
>> So I took some quick photos of the fender selections on the bike. They 
>> aren't great but hopefully they give you an idea of what will work. I 
>> actually already had the B65's packaged up to be returned but I opened the 
>> box again for the shots and they aren't as bad as I remember. I'm fairly 
>> certain I'll end up ruling them out so if you, or anyone else wants them 
>> I'll sell them for $55 and I'll eat the shipping in conus. 
>>
>> Here's the photos:  
>> https://flickr.com/photos/137638381@N05/sets/72157660720878839
>>
>> Tim 
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Edwin W]

Let's crowd source this puppy.
I vote for the B65s! The P55s are too small and the black ones don't match 
enough, to my eyes. 

My two cents, worth slightly less than that,

Edwin

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 3:29:38 PM UTC-6, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Hey Keith, you and I seem to enjoy fretting over bike details together!  I 
> was laughing at myself as I literally have 3 sets of brand new fenders for 
> my Clem and I can't make a decision. Every time I rule one out I look at a 
> picture or throw them back on and change my mind. Oh the curse of 
> indecision. 
>
> So I took some quick photos of the fender selections on the bike. They 
> aren't great but hopefully they give you an idea of what will work. I 
> actually already had the B65's packaged up to be returned but I opened the 
> box again for the shots and they aren't as bad as I remember. I'm fairly 
> certain I'll end up ruling them out so if you, or anyone else wants them 
> I'll sell them for $55 and I'll eat the shipping in conus. 
>
> Here's the photos:  
> https://flickr.com/photos/137638381@N05/sets/72157660720878839
>
> Tim 
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Frederick]

Thank you for posting those photos. I had some p45's laying around and they 
don't quite cover the tires. I think the B65s look the best.



On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 11:10:36 AM UTC-7, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[iamkeith]

Well, I think the B65s look pretty good too.  I think you should reconsider 
but, if you're sure you don't want them AND if nobody else here wants them, 
then I'll buy them.   Give it the weekend to see.   Otherwise, I already 
had them qued up as part of an order from the mothership that's big enough 
such that shipping will be free for me anyway.   (They just got re-stocked 
with them today)  Hopefully three parties can get what they need, while Riv 
makes another sale too. Either way, we'll get them off your hands.

Thanks so much for taking the time to post photos, too.

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 5:41:01 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Mark, the pinstripes on the 65's are actually clear or see through. I 
> don't think there are any reflective qualities. The traditional Sks stripe 
> pattern, as you described it and is on the 55's, I don't mind. I thought 
> about spray painting the 65s but not sure how they'd turn out.  Those 
> aluminum PB's look sweet too, and if they are less shiney then the poly 
> then that would be a positive. I also considered some VO aluminums but 
> plastic seems to suit the Clem concept. 
>
> The p55s, when you raise them off the tire and in the "install position" 
> do seem to offer just enough coverage for the 2.0s. They wouldn't rub but 
> as Zed mentioned above there may be some side spray?  I put the 55s and the 
> 65s side by side and with the mudflats the 55s are a little longer. 
>
> The current stock Kenda tires need to go, they are heavy, loud and slow. 
> So I think the plan for now is: run the kendas through the winter with the 
> black Planet Bike Cascadias (they were only $35 Canadian so what's that? 
> Like $2 USD?  So sad right now) Keep the Sks p55s for the summer tires 
> which will be the soma supple vitesse 42c. I think the gum wall and the 
> silver fenders will be nice. Depending on the durability and longevity of 
> that tire I'll probably switch to a schwalbe 50c for the following winter 
> and for touring and extended gravel. Riv site says the 50 big bens measure 
> at 45 so should be good to go. 
>
> So, the B65s are for sale. I'll probably start a FS post if no one offers 
> in the next couple days. 
>
> Thanks for the feedback. 
>
> Tim Wood
> Vancouver Canada
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[iamkeith]

On Friday, November 20, 2015 at 2:29:38 PM UTC-7, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> Hey Keith, you and I seem to enjoy fretting over bike details together!  
>
>
Ha!  I looked at your photos three times before I realized that the blue 
chuckit was laying in the middle of YOUR floor, and not mine.   Seems we 
have a *few* things in common.  :-) 

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Edwin W]

If you are thinking of getting the SKS fenders that Riv sells: On the little 
Clem 

 
I built up, I put p55s on there with Panaracer Pasela 26x1.75. I know it 
will fit p65s, so I think I would suggest those, unless you are planning on 
running relatively small tires, like mine, or smaller

As far as the mounting, I have a spacer (just a rubber plug I drilled a 
hole in) in between the fender and the kickstand plate and another one in 
between the fender and the seat stay bridge.

Edwin

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:10:36 PM UTC-6, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[Zed Martinez]

I'm with Edwin. I have P55s on mine with 48mm tires (not quite 2"). They 
fit easily and look great, but I too could've fit the P65's and I'm getting 
some splash out the side in stouter puddles since the tire fills so much of 
the fender. If I was doing it again, I'd get the 65s. Just be sure and read 
Riv's note about the one fender not being defective because it's got a 
space cut out of it, that's just part of the fender at that size to fit the 
frame.

Rather than rubber plugs at the kickstand plate I just used a longer bolt 
with a few nuts on it to split the spacing difference between getting the 
wheel out and maintaining my fender line. On the 52cm I had to bend the 
mounting tab on the rear fender's positionable bracket to match the angle 
of the seat stay bridge's boss. Didn't really have another troubles getting 
them in there, massive fender clearance is one of the Clem's strengths 
after all ;)

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 2:20:30 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> If you are thinking of getting the SKS fenders that Riv sells: On the little 
> Clem 
> 
>  
> I built up, I put p55s on there with Panaracer Pasela 26x1.75. I know it 
> will fit p65s, so I think I would suggest those, unless you are planning on 
> running relatively small tires, like mine, or smaller
>
> As far as the mounting, I have a spacer (just a rubber plug I drilled a 
> hole in) in between the fender and the kickstand plate and another one in 
> between the fender and the seat stay bridge.
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:10:36 PM UTC-6, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>>
>> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
>> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>>
>> Thanks
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[David Person]

Looks like a few people have had success, both with SKS fenders and some VO 
fenders, judging from the pictures I see in the topic "Let's See Some 
Clem/Clementine Pics"

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/bDrtVdwnZbs

David

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 10:10:36 AM UTC-8, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

[David Banzer]

I'm going to install P50s, only because I happen to have a set that aren't 
going on their intended bike - will probably get larger ones at some point. 
I'm only using 42mm tires to start though.
David
Chicago

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 12:10:36 PM UTC-6, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I am going to try these new fenders (just came out this week) from Planet 
Bike:

https://ecom1.planetbike.com/7054-8.html

I was looking for something specific to 650B for optimum fender line. I 
have a pair of the older B65 (with the cutout) that have served me well on 
an old Mt. bike, but are getting a bit dodgy anyway. I will probably give 
them a spray for a fun project later this winter.

I found out about the new Cascadias (these are the PB aluminum series, not 
the polycarbonate plastic) on the 650 forum, and the company sales director 
was kind enough to email me when they became available. I hope they will 
look nice and function well on my 52cm black Clementine!

On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 1:10:36 PM UTC-5, Jonathan in Ri wrote:
>
> I have a Clem arriving tomorrow.  Can anyone recommend which model fender 
> will work the best? Will the longer chain stays affect mounting? 
>
> Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Clem Smith fenders?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, the silver SKS works with some bike colors--I have an older set that 
look good on a dark green bike--but they don't go with everything, and I 
imagine they would look cheapish on a black Clementine. As for the 
pinstriping, my 45s are at least 6 or 7 years old, and my 65s are around 
that timeframe too, and both have the pinstripes. I don't think that is a 
terribly new feature. At least some of the lines are reflective, so it 
serves a safety purpose.


On Thursday, November 19, 2015 at 10:23:01 PM UTC-5, Tim Wood wrote:
>
> I'm having fender dilemmas, mainly because I'm picky when it comes to 
> fender appearance. The first set I tried was the B65 in silver (my Clem is 
> 700c), and while they fit well over the stock 29x2.0, they looked awful, 
> and huge.  Maybe the long stays expose the rear tire more but the fenders 
> seemed to dominate the appearance. Also, the new SKS's have pin stripping 
> down the centre and I just wasn't digging it, it could have also been the 
> silver wasn't playing well with the grey paint. For some reason I then 
> tried the silver p55's, and while they are marketed as a 26" fender, riv 
> recommends them for 29" up to a 2.0. They were barely wide enough to cover 
> the tread and being a 26, longboard or not, they were just too short. And 
> again, the pinstriping. I was willing to settle on the p55 as I have plans 
> to try out the new soma 42c gumwall and thought it was a good fit, but they 
> just weren't looking right. Both of those sets are going back and I'm going 
> to try some black planet bike cascadia 29ers.  Hoping they look decent and 
> are full coverage. Sigh.

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