Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Yeah, the sizing issue for me comes from floor living, which requires greater 
range of motion than cycling. In pre-made knickers I have to size up the waist 
2-4” so there is enough room for squatting, cross-legged, and kneeling. So then 
I have to cinch down way too much fabric at the waist. I’m hoping the custom 
thing, combined with wool is friendlier for my nutty way of moving. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: Please do share what you learn about custom wool plus 4s or
whateverthehelltheyare; I think I recall that you checked out some of the
Yew Kai sites I did for custom knee pants.

And thanks for the Compass Knickers review. I'd held off because of their
light weight, but the pilling problem answers the question, for me,
definitely.

Patrick (the other Patrick) Moore

On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 3:59 PM, 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> Shoji, et al ... One of my pairs of Compass knickers pilled significantly
> after just two weeks of riding in them. I was informed that this is
> expected and normal wear. So, that answer has changed from February.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick (hoping wool custom fit knickers wear better and fit better, and
> will find out in a month or so)
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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shoji, et al ... One of my pairs of Compass knickers pilled significantly after 
just two weeks of riding in them. I was informed that this is expected and 
normal wear. So, that answer has changed from February.

With abandon,
Patrick (hoping wool custom fit knickers wear better and fit better, and will 
find out in a month or so)

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[ascpgh]

Compass should be proud to be on Team Deacon!

You'll soon be a catalog image there too. 

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> True to actual bare-skinned waist measurement? 
>
> They look to fit to the real waist rather than hips, is that accurate?
>
> Experience with heartiness in regular riding?
>
> Other input?
>
> (Thread started S extension of my other thread on “riding within my means”)
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Max S]

I have zero substance to contribute to this thread, as expected, but: 

https://quarterlybicycle.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/transform-the-love-of-your-life-or-yourself-with-weathervane-breeks/

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Re: [RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Patrick Moore]

This is good to know ... Agree that for cycling pants, you want a waist at
real waist height. While my home-made knickers are not ideal as to features
or fabric (I'm sure the I Magnin flannels will pill and wear easily, now
that I have them altered to really fit) they do have natural waists.

Remove Reigns from short list ...

On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 12:05 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

>  The trend is hip hugging low rider pants, which require sizing up to
> get more room to wear them if you prefer (as I do) the waist to actually be
> at the waist. At which point, sizing is very odd, having a lot of extra
> room at the waist that has to be taken up by a belt. That’s how the Reign
> knickers fit, but the fabric is thin, so not a huge deal.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Jon Dukeman,central Colorado]

I love my Compass Knickers except I bought them when the pocket openings 
were very small and I have to fish things out of my pocket with my fingers. 
They since have fixed that issue.
I bought two Snoqualmie Pass tires and one arrived with an area across the 
tire that had a bubble or delaminated.
Theo took car of it immediately.
Great customer service.
Jon

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Steve Butcher]

Excellent explanation, Patrick.  Many of the bodily functions involve 
reserves and restoration.  

->Steve Butcher
   Stockton, Missouri

On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 3:39:42 PM UTC-6, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin. 
>
> For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people 
> never notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to 
> function in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than 
> knickers. Knickers, cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with 
> minimal fabric motion over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with 
> means more, better, longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over 
> time. 
>
> The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
> “brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget 
> does. But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And 
> costs are more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain 
> energy costs), so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it 
> costs me $25. However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain 
> budget by 50% each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” 
> of traffic noise, I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I 
> can. Also, healing and long term recover only happen when I am in the 
> “black.” When something overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days 
> budget) in a few seconds, I am in debt and need three days to recover. One 
> of the gifts of fixed gear is I can ride even on some of these recovery (in 
> the red) days, speeding up my “income” and thus my recovery. 
>
> Just remember... you asked. Grin. 
>
> With abandon, 
> Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Great question, Lum. How much of an answer do you want? Ready? Duck! Grin.

For me, pants create a lot of fabric motion on the leg, which most people never 
notice, but which adds to the “noise” my brain has to cut through to function 
in the world. Shorts, less so, but can easily be more than knickers. Knickers, 
cinched at the knee, allow full freedom of motion with minimal fabric motion 
over the skin. Less clutter for me brain to deal with means more, better, 
longer rides, and greater recovery and healing over time.

The macro concept that is part of is that we all get a daily allotment of 
“brain energy” and we have to stay in the “black” like any wise budget does. 
But with brain injury, instea of $10,000, I get $100 per day. And costs are 
more (anyone under any kind of stress pays more in daily brain energy costs), 
so while a car ride may cost a brain healthy person $5, it costs me $25. 
However, riding my bike (and running) increase my daily brain budget by 50% 
each day I ride. Fixed gear by 175%. So even with the “costs” of traffic noise, 
I usually come out ahead. But I have to save wherever I can. Also, healing and 
long term recover only happen when I am in the “black.” When something 
overloads my brain and costs me $300 (three days budget) in a few seconds, I am 
in debt and need three days to recover. One of the gifts of fixed gear is I can 
ride even on some of these recovery (in the red) days, speeding up my “income” 
and thus my recovery.

Just remember... you asked. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Lum Gim Fong]

Why knickers and not something like MUSA long pants? I would think full leg 
coverage would be better in frosty Colorado.

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Shoji, I just spoke with Theo at Compass and asked about the pilling. He said 
they’d take care of me if that happened, that it shouldn’t and he knows of two 
pair that happened with. Sounds like the great customer service I’ve 
experienced before with Compass (and Riv).

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Deacon Patrick]

Shoji, Garth is right, the actual measurement is part of my question 
(manufactures often make people feel good by shifting the size of their waist: 
“Wow! In XYZ jeans, Im a 34, not a 38! I’ll buy XYZ” But another aspect is the 
rise. The trend is hip hugging low rider pants, which require sizing up to get 
more room to wear them if you prefer (as I do) the waist to actually be at the 
waist. At which point, sizing is very odd, having a lot of extra room at the 
waist that has to be taken up by a belt. That’s how the Reign knickers fit, but 
the fabric is thin, so not a huge deal.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Garth]

Forgive me for "budding" in, but DP is referring to the actual waist 
measurement. Just for some FYI , in the garment industry the designers call it 
the "garment waist" or some may just say "actual". With the garment laid flat, 
measured about 1" below the very top of the waist fabric. Many manufacturers 
will gladly tell you all the actual measurements for a given article of 
clothing just for the asking !  It can really help for comparing with a garment 
you actually have. 

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[RBW] Re: Compass Knickers questions

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Patrick,
I wear 30 in most pants, and 30 Compass knickers fit as expected. 

I'm not sure I understand the real waist vs hips question. 

As for heartiness: I've been disappointed with the knickers. They started 
to pill along the upper thighs after only a few rides. I wear wool upper 
layers, perhaps a Riv-MUSA long-sleeve shirt, and I wouldn't expect pilling 
so early.

YMMV, 
Good luck!
shoji



On Wednesday, February 21, 2018 at 10:13:30 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> True to actual bare-skinned waist measurement? 
>
> They look to fit to the real waist rather than hips, is that accurate?
>
> Experience with heartiness in regular riding?
>
> Other input?
>
> (Thread started S extension of my other thread on “riding within my means”)
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org *
> *www.OurHolyConception.com *
>

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