[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Arthur Mayfield]

I’ve used Honjo, Planet Bike, SKS, and both the aluminum and plastic 
versions of Portland Design Works fenders. By far and away, the PDW fenders 
are easiest to install, have the best strut safety disconnects, are the 
quietest, and look at least as good, if not better, than the rest, assuming 
you don’t want bare aluminum or mirror polished stainless steel. PDW 
aluminum fenders come in polished silver (which I haven’t seen in person) 
or a deeply anodized matte black. They used to also come in satin dark 
gray, but those may not be available anymore. PDW plastic fenders are as 
quiet as the aluminum, are even easier to install due to being a bit more 
flexible, are slightly lighter, are half the price (same hardware), and 
come in a tasteful satin black. 

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:14:39 PM UTC-4 Stephen wrote:

> I’ll throw out another rec for VO fenders. Mounted the 65 fluted on my 
> appaloosa with 50mm gravel kings, which seems to be maxxed out in my 
> opinion. The install was difficult because i didnt have a nice space to do 
> it in, but after the fact i think it wasn’t that much harder than plastic. 
> I got my fenders on sale recently, itd be worth checking the price on them 
> because i think theyre a bit cheaper than honjos. 
>
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:08:09 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:
>
>> Installation of the aluminum fenders is more challenging but achievable 
>> if you have some patience and have all the hardware needed for a proper 
>> install on your bike.
>>
>> The Honjos are superior: just a quality product, sturdy and solid, and 
>> beautiful on the bike. I opted not to use fender tabs and bolted the 
>> fenders into the fork crown (front - some would use a daruma but my fork 
>> has an dedicated interior fender mount) and the seat stay bridge (rear) 
>> with the extra fender reinforcements on the inside. That makes for a solid 
>> primary mount. I used leather washers where the fender touched a bolt or 
>> nut.
>>
>> Here's the blog post on RH fenders. I think the differences are they spec 
>> a longer fender and have different fender bolts. They offer hollow stays 
>> for extra money.
>> https://www.renehersecycles.com/we-love-fenders/
>>
>> --Ed C.
>> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello fellow RBW owners!
>>>
>>> Now that I've happily found narrower tires for my Appaloosa, I'm looking 
>>> at fenders. I have three other bikes with fenders, two of them have the 
>>> plastic SKS fenders that Riv sells (the older models) and one has a set of 
>>> Planet Bike, aluminum fenders. Personally, I'm a big fan of the aluminum 
>>> fenders over the plastic ones, they just feel more solid. The Planet Bike 
>>> fenders, however, leave a little to be desired. They use the same flimsy 
>>> struts found on the plastic versions which, combined with their heavier 
>>> weight, cause them to wiggle quite a bit more than the plastic fenders.
>>>
>>> This time around I went looking at some of the fenders made by Honjo, 
>>> both the SimWorks branded and the Rene Herse branded models. It looks like 
>>> these require more work to mount but may result in a more sturdy fixture to 
>>> the bike. I'm not terribly worried about my ability to mount them as I've 
>>> got a well equipped shop and have done metalwork before. I'm curious to 
>>> learn what folks on the list think of them, though. How easy or difficult 
>>> did you find them to install? Were you happy with how you installed them? 
>>> How has your experience been riding with them after some time? Also, RH 
>>> claims their Honjo fenders are designed differently than the standard Honjo 
>>> fenders, is there any merit to their claims? Do they actually do a better 
>>> job of channeling water than the non-RH versions? Worth the extra $30?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Stephen]

I’ll throw out another rec for VO fenders. Mounted the 65 fluted on my 
appaloosa with 50mm gravel kings, which seems to be maxxed out in my 
opinion. The install was difficult because i didnt have a nice space to do 
it in, but after the fact i think it wasn’t that much harder than plastic. 
I got my fenders on sale recently, itd be worth checking the price on them 
because i think theyre a bit cheaper than honjos. 

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 2:08:09 PM UTC-4 Ed Carolipio wrote:

> Installation of the aluminum fenders is more challenging but achievable if 
> you have some patience and have all the hardware needed for a proper 
> install on your bike.
>
> The Honjos are superior: just a quality product, sturdy and solid, and 
> beautiful on the bike. I opted not to use fender tabs and bolted the 
> fenders into the fork crown (front - some would use a daruma but my fork 
> has an dedicated interior fender mount) and the seat stay bridge (rear) 
> with the extra fender reinforcements on the inside. That makes for a solid 
> primary mount. I used leather washers where the fender touched a bolt or 
> nut.
>
> Here's the blog post on RH fenders. I think the differences are they spec 
> a longer fender and have different fender bolts. They offer hollow stays 
> for extra money.
> https://www.renehersecycles.com/we-love-fenders/
>
> --Ed C.
> On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello fellow RBW owners!
>>
>> Now that I've happily found narrower tires for my Appaloosa, I'm looking 
>> at fenders. I have three other bikes with fenders, two of them have the 
>> plastic SKS fenders that Riv sells (the older models) and one has a set of 
>> Planet Bike, aluminum fenders. Personally, I'm a big fan of the aluminum 
>> fenders over the plastic ones, they just feel more solid. The Planet Bike 
>> fenders, however, leave a little to be desired. They use the same flimsy 
>> struts found on the plastic versions which, combined with their heavier 
>> weight, cause them to wiggle quite a bit more than the plastic fenders.
>>
>> This time around I went looking at some of the fenders made by Honjo, 
>> both the SimWorks branded and the Rene Herse branded models. It looks like 
>> these require more work to mount but may result in a more sturdy fixture to 
>> the bike. I'm not terribly worried about my ability to mount them as I've 
>> got a well equipped shop and have done metalwork before. I'm curious to 
>> learn what folks on the list think of them, though. How easy or difficult 
>> did you find them to install? Were you happy with how you installed them? 
>> How has your experience been riding with them after some time? Also, RH 
>> claims their Honjo fenders are designed differently than the standard Honjo 
>> fenders, is there any merit to their claims? Do they actually do a better 
>> job of channeling water than the non-RH versions? Worth the extra $30?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -- 
>> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Ed Carolipio]

Installation of the aluminum fenders is more challenging but achievable if 
you have some patience and have all the hardware needed for a proper 
install on your bike.

The Honjos are superior: just a quality product, sturdy and solid, and 
beautiful on the bike. I opted not to use fender tabs and bolted the 
fenders into the fork crown (front - some would use a daruma but my fork 
has an dedicated interior fender mount) and the seat stay bridge (rear) 
with the extra fender reinforcements on the inside. That makes for a solid 
primary mount. I used leather washers where the fender touched a bolt or 
nut.

Here's the blog post on RH fenders. I think the differences are they spec a 
longer fender and have different fender bolts. They offer hollow stays for 
extra money.
https://www.renehersecycles.com/we-love-fenders/

--Ed C.
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello fellow RBW owners!
>
> Now that I've happily found narrower tires for my Appaloosa, I'm looking 
> at fenders. I have three other bikes with fenders, two of them have the 
> plastic SKS fenders that Riv sells (the older models) and one has a set of 
> Planet Bike, aluminum fenders. Personally, I'm a big fan of the aluminum 
> fenders over the plastic ones, they just feel more solid. The Planet Bike 
> fenders, however, leave a little to be desired. They use the same flimsy 
> struts found on the plastic versions which, combined with their heavier 
> weight, cause them to wiggle quite a bit more than the plastic fenders.
>
> This time around I went looking at some of the fenders made by Honjo, both 
> the SimWorks branded and the Rene Herse branded models. It looks like these 
> require more work to mount but may result in a more sturdy fixture to the 
> bike. I'm not terribly worried about my ability to mount them as I've got a 
> well equipped shop and have done metalwork before. I'm curious to learn 
> what folks on the list think of them, though. How easy or difficult did you 
> find them to install? Were you happy with how you installed them? How has 
> your experience been riding with them after some time? Also, RH claims 
> their Honjo fenders are designed differently than the standard Honjo 
> fenders, is there any merit to their claims? Do they actually do a better 
> job of channeling water than the non-RH versions? Worth the extra $30?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- 
> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Mr. Ray]

Ben's Cycle (Milwaukee) also carries Berthoud.  
On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 1:05:52 PM UTC-4 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Brian, do you have a state-side distributor for the Berthound fenders? 
> These look interesting. I've found them on the Berthound Cycles website but 
> they're almost the same price as the Honjo fenders after shipping from 
> Europe.
>
> On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:35 AM Brian Turner  wrote:
>
>> Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called 
>> up Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're 
>> stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings 
>> you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole 
>> to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was 
>> pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay 
>> bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good 
>> attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost 
>> all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress 
>> out of the equation.
>>
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>> .
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>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Brian Turner]

Ted, I got mine by perusing Peter White Cycle's website. Actually, I called 
them up and talked with Linda at length about which size I should get. 
She's an absolute joy to speak with, and will do whatever it takes to 
answer your questions adequately.
She made sure they had them in stock, and shipped them to me within a 
couple of days.

I have dealt directly with Berthoud several times, and they are also 
amazing to work with. Kinda like Blue Lug, the shipping is more expensive 
of course, but the shipping times are incredibly - almost impossibly - fast.

-Brian


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Re: [RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Ted W]

Brian, do you have a state-side distributor for the Berthound fenders?
These look interesting. I've found them on the Berthound Cycles website but
they're almost the same price as the Honjo fenders after shipping from
Europe.

On Thu, Oct 26, 2023 at 10:35 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called up
> Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're
> stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings
> you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole
> to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was
> pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay
> bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good
> attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost
> all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress
> out of the equation.
>
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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[John P. in SF]

I have had good luck with the  75mm wide VO fenders. I have owned an 
appaloosa in the past with these fenders and 2.1 tires fit fine and if you 
are ok with trimming knobs and dimpling chainstays, 2.25 knobbies fit under 
the fenders as well. I currently have that same pair of fenders on my 59 
clem L with 2.25 knobbies and plenty of clearance. I have other bikes with 
Honjos (3), but I have found VO fenders to be just fine and much less 
expensive. 

I would be wary of any claims made by JH/RH for product, whether it be 
planing, noise suppression knobbies, or rain channeling fenders...

You can also use VO or honjo stays and mounting hardware on plastic fenders 
of any manufacture and they end up essentially as solid as an aluminum 
fender. My dirt camper has this setup. the stays are quite inexpensive 
compared to a full fender set.

Cheers.

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 7:27:48 AM UTC-7 ted.l...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hello fellow RBW owners!
>
> Now that I've happily found narrower tires for my Appaloosa, I'm looking 
> at fenders. I have three other bikes with fenders, two of them have the 
> plastic SKS fenders that Riv sells (the older models) and one has a set of 
> Planet Bike, aluminum fenders. Personally, I'm a big fan of the aluminum 
> fenders over the plastic ones, they just feel more solid. The Planet Bike 
> fenders, however, leave a little to be desired. They use the same flimsy 
> struts found on the plastic versions which, combined with their heavier 
> weight, cause them to wiggle quite a bit more than the plastic fenders.
>
> This time around I went looking at some of the fenders made by Honjo, both 
> the SimWorks branded and the Rene Herse branded models. It looks like these 
> require more work to mount but may result in a more sturdy fixture to the 
> bike. I'm not terribly worried about my ability to mount them as I've got a 
> well equipped shop and have done metalwork before. I'm curious to learn 
> what folks on the list think of them, though. How easy or difficult did you 
> find them to install? Were you happy with how you installed them? How has 
> your experience been riding with them after some time? Also, RH claims 
> their Honjo fenders are designed differently than the standard Honjo 
> fenders, is there any merit to their claims? Do they actually do a better 
> job of channeling water than the non-RH versions? Worth the extra $30?
>
> Cheers,
>
> -- 
> Ted Wood < ted.l...@gmail.com >
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[DavidP]

I recently came across this very detailed and helpful guide to installing 
metal fenders. I've installed 3-4 sets before this go but this guide gave 
me the best results yet:
https://somervillebikes.wordpress.com/2020/03/01/how-to-install-metal-fenders-part-i-achieving-a-proper-arc-radius/

-Dave

On Thursday, October 26, 2023 at 10:35:11 AM UTC-4 Brian Turner wrote:

> Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called up 
> Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're 
> stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings 
> you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole 
> to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was 
> pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay 
> bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good 
> attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost 
> all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress 
> out of the equation.
>

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[RBW] Re: Fender Installation and Usage Experiences

[Brian Turner]

Ted, have you looked at the fenders made by Berthoud? I recently called up 
Peter White and ordered a set for my new Atlantis project. They're 
stainless, and smooth, but more affordable than some of the other offerings 
you mentioned above. The best thing however, I only had to drill one hole 
to match up to my rear brake bridge mounting point. Everything else was 
pre-drilled (the stays, the hole near the bottom bracket / chainstay 
bridge, and the front fender crown). You still have to have some good 
attention to detail to get good, clean fender lines... but having almost 
all of your holes pre-drilled certainly takes almost all of the real stress 
out of the equation.

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