Re: [RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Purty!

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 2:23 PM John Philip  wrote:

> Here's Quickbeam green and a couple of blues.
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the
>> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom --
>> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>>
>> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on
>> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks
>> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a
>> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and
>> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>>
>> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames;
>> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and
>> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech.
>>
>> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>>
>> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>>
>> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>>
>> --
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Brian Campbell]

My Legolas painted "Redwood" green.


My AHHH painted "Grilver"




On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 5:05:07 PM UTC-4, S wrote:
>
> The Rivendell Redwood was painted an interesting green, sort of a darker 
> sage:
>
> https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/rivendell-redwood-21911
>
> On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:56:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
>> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
>> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>>
>> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
>> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
>> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
>> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
>> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>>
>> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
>> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
>> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>>
>> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>>
>> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>>
>> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[S]

The Rivendell Redwood was painted an interesting green, sort of a darker 
sage:

https://www.pedalroom.com/bike/rivendell-redwood-21911

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 7:56:02 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[John Philip]

Here's Quickbeam green and a couple of blues. 

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[S]

That's very close to the color of the SimpleOne. 

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Myself, I'd probably want to paint it after a classic bike I've been 
> inspired by (Riv or not) so the colour has context, rather than just one I 
> like the look of.
>
> But what about this vintage machinery green:
> https://images.app.goo.gl/NP2K6S87MsJrpdpq6
> (Hope that works)
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Matthew P]

I'll gush...

I agree about the classy classic black with white details. Semigloss even 
better.  Those Rivs with can hang out with the classics.

There was a Rosco Bubbe that had something like a flat sage green that I 
liked a lot.  The flat/matte finish is like the gray that comes to mind 
when you all say battleship gray.
I'm thinking of a gray that is so matte that its perhaps inconsistent, 
almost sandy, like some parts are showing a coating of dried sea spray.

I absolutely love the butterscotch color that went on some of the Clems.  I 
stare at a small, older Mercedes in that color a few blocks away...and I'm 
not even a car guy!

I saw a Bombadil in something like a copper.  I think there's one in a Riv 
YouTube video.  Lovely.

But just last week I happened upon stonehog.com and found pics of Brian 
Hanson's Homer in something like "light new penny copper" and that might be 
my favorite paint of all time.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/stonehog/46788241224/in/photostream/

-Matthew
San Diego

On Sunday, April 19, 2020 at 9:03:04 AM UTC-7, Jason Fuller wrote:
>
> Myself, I'd probably want to paint it after a classic bike I've been 
> inspired by (Riv or not) so the colour has context, rather than just one I 
> like the look of.
>
> But what about this vintage machinery green:
> https://images.app.goo.gl/NP2K6S87MsJrpdpq6
> (Hope that works)
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[lambbo]

a dusty light-red (also known as a dusty pink) would look very good with 
red accents and bags, same amount of white in it as the sage blue, a touch 
of blue to cool it down to pastel, a hint of black to mute it.  80% white, 
14% red, 2% blue 4% black. Think about it, it's foolproof. 

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 10:56:02 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Carla Waugh]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:56:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Steve Palincsar]

The reason black, silver, battleship gray and a dull finish sage green 
work so well with silver components is basically what Trace Adkins said 
here : /Her Favorite 
Color is Chrome/


On 4/18/20 5:54 PM, somervillebikes wrote:

Patrick,

After seeing some of the examples posted, I'm really digging silver 
and battleship gray.


If your powder coater can in fact get you the green you want (sage, 
you said?), then obviously that's best. I've found it's very hard to 
imagine a color on a bike from a paint chip. Something about the 
narrow tubes as opposed to a monolithic wall of color. I've had two 
bikes PC'd in a color other than black. For one of them (cream), I 
liked it even more than I thought I would. For the other (sort of a 
Bianchi Celeste / sage green that looked great on a paint chip), I 
ended up displeased. Part of my displeasure was the glossiness, which 
made it look a yellowish, lime-green in certain light. I ended up 
taking steel wool to the powder coat finish to dull it, making the 
finish matte; I liked it much better. That bike was done over 10 years 
ago and the PC is still holding up well. If I were to do it all over 
again, I'd get a shade of green with more gray in it.


Anton
velolumino.com







On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about
thinking this through -- which is my purpose in asking such
questions, since I do know my own tastes.

Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I
have owned several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact,
my first home-brew paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun)
gloss black oil-based enamel with gold pin striping added by hand.
Later I had a decent looking battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with
orangy-red accents.

But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care
for the yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish
(Ford) blue -- need a different color to tell the bikes apart.
(Kidding.) I recall a very nice metallic dark green on a 1991
Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with powdercoat, I
imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150
powdercoats, can you?

Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not
identical to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell
Rivendell sage green; but if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.

Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I
like it better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for
it on a bike frame.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore > wrote:

Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out
of the near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for
my 2003 custom -- frame later modified by Chauncey with the
color in the photo below.

I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while
I wait on tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied?
Weren't tenterhooks used for processing wool?), I ask y'all:
what color would you choose for a new road frame to be built
with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and silver
components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.

Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like
red frames; no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue
already -- beautiful! -- and Forest Green. No turquoise or
pink. Yellow, blech.

Should be a color that is readily available in touch up
quantities.

Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your
suggestion.

Patrick "the /only/ color for a Riv with fenders is Sage
Green" Moore

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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[somervillebikes]

Patrick,

After seeing some of the examples posted, I'm really digging silver and 
battleship gray. 

If your powder coater can in fact get you the green you want (sage, you 
said?), then obviously that's best. I've found it's very hard to imagine a 
color on a bike from a paint chip. Something about the narrow tubes as 
opposed to a monolithic wall of color. I've had two bikes PC'd in a color 
other than black. For one of them (cream), I liked it even more than I 
thought I would. For the other (sort of a Bianchi Celeste / sage green that 
looked great on a paint chip), I ended up displeased. Part of my 
displeasure was the glossiness, which made it look a yellowish, lime-green 
in certain light. I ended up taking steel wool to the powder coat finish to 
dull it, making the finish matte; I liked it much better. That bike was 
done over 10 years ago and the PC is still holding up well. If I were to do 
it all over again, I'd get a shade of green with more gray in it.

Anton
velolumino.com






On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 5:20:17 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about thinking 
> this through -- which is my purpose in asking such questions, since I do 
> know my own tastes.
>
> Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I have owned 
> several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact, my first home-brew 
> paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun) gloss black oil-based enamel 
> with gold pin striping added by hand. Later I had a decent looking 
> battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with orangy-red accents.
>
> But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care for the 
> yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish (Ford) blue -- need 
> a different color to tell the bikes apart. (Kidding.) I recall a very nice 
> metallic dark green on a 1991 Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with 
> powdercoat, I imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150 
> powdercoats, can you?
>
> Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not 
> identical to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell Rivendell sage 
> green; but if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.
>
> Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I like it 
> better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for it on a bike 
> frame.
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  > wrote:
>
>> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
>> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
>> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>>
>> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
>> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
>> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
>> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
>> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>>
>> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
>> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
>> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>>
>> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>>
>> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>>
>> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>
>
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[aeroperf]

My Sam came in Sage, and I like it.  I get compliments, so others think it 
is a good color as well.
But if I was doing a custom repaint I’d go for 1968 Camaro Rally Green.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1968-chevrolet-camaro-32/
I used to paint my Nash Metropolitans this color.

It wouldn’t go well with red trim, but white or gold or black would 
highlight it well.


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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all, some good suggestions and some good advice about thinking this
through -- which is my purpose in asking such questions, since I do know my
own tastes.

Actually, while I don't really like black or gray for frames, I have owned
several glossy black bikes that looked good; in fact, my first home-brew
paint job was hand sprayed (as in pump gun) gloss black oil-based enamel
with gold pin striping added by hand. Later I had a decent looking
battleship gray Stumpjumper Comp with orangy-red accents.

But black shows dust too much. I find white boring; I didn't care for the
yellow of the Motobecane; and I already have a darkish (Ford) blue -- need
a different color to tell the bikes apart. (Kidding.) I recall a very nice
metallic dark green on a 1991 Stumpjumper Team, but you can't get that with
powdercoat, I imagine. In fact, you can't do metallic with your usual $150
powdercoats, can you?

Chauncey says he'll probably be able to get the sage green -- not identical
to but close enough to the original 2003 Joe Bell Rivendell sage green; but
if he can't, I'll ask for a Herse-like blue.

Funny, I know that orange is a favorite on this list, but while I like it
better than yellow, I just for some reason don't care for it on a bike
frame.

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 8:55 AM Patrick Moore  wrote:

> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom --
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames;
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech.
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
>
> --
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[George Schick]

Battleship grey.  The kind they paint industrial machinery. Goes with 
anything.  Easily touched up with paint available everywhere.
(I wouldn't like it, but you might.  My favorite for bike frames is gloss 
black - black w/ white highlights on head tube, etc. is even better)


On Saturday, April 18, 2020 at 9:56:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Chauncey just texted me saying that the powder coater is out of the 
> near-match to the "sage green" that Joe Bell used for my 2003 custom -- 
> frame later modified by Chauncey with the color in the photo below.
>
> I've asked him to see if the coater can order more, but while I wait on 
> tenterhooks (is that metaphor appropriately applied? Weren't tenterhooks 
> used for processing wool?), I ask y'all: what color would you choose for a 
> new road frame to be built with color matched racks, silver VO fenders, and 
> silver components? -- oh, and I like red accents: bar tape and panniers.
>
> Orange won't do b/c I like red, red won't do b/c I don't like red frames; 
> no black or white -- bleh! I have Ford Blue already -- beautiful! -- and 
> Forest Green. No turquoise or pink. Yellow, blech. 
>
> Should be a color that is readily available in touch up quantities.
>
> Tell me what you think so that I can complain about your suggestion.
>
> Patrick "the *only* color for a Riv with fenders is Sage Green" Moore
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Re: [RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Steve. I think I recall the color; in fact, I think my family had a
Type 3 station wagon for a while in that color, but that was circa 1970 and
too long ago to recall the color clearly (I do recall that at 5K+ feet with
a 50 HP carburetted engine and 3 speed automatic, it couldn't get out of
its own way, even among the Wartbergs and Anglias and Renault 4s).

The attachment doesn't show the color*, and when I search for  Pantone 7628
C, I get this, which I am sure is not what you have in mind:

[image: image.png]
Downloading it:
[image: image.png]

On Sat, Apr 18, 2020 at 10:29 AM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Patrick,
>
> One of the great attributes of Sage Green is its subtlety compared to
> purer colors -- red, blue, yellow, etc.  A color that has a similar quality
> that you may have already considered is a light beige -- sort of the color
> of VW Beetles of long ago.  I loved Beetles of this color.  I looked for a
> Pantone color that might have a similar attraction.  I really like Pantone
> 7628 C.  I tried to copy a chip and upload it but Pantone doesn't make this
> easy to do.  Take a look.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
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[RBW] Re: Frame color!

[Steve Cole]

Patrick,

One of the great attributes of Sage Green is its subtlety compared to purer 
colors -- red, blue, yellow, etc.  A color that has a similar quality that 
you may have already considered is a light beige -- sort of the color of VW 
Beetles of long ago.  I loved Beetles of this color.  I looked for a 
Pantone color that might have a similar attraction.  I really like Pantone 
7628 C.  I tried to copy a chip and upload it but Pantone doesn't make this 
easy to do.  Take a look.

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA


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