[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Paul S: Maybe. Snow and slop quickly accumulate and easily clog things up. Here’s my QB on a muddy day, slick tires and fenders: https://thegrid.ai/withabandon/mudbeam-aka-quickbeam-rides-rampart-reservoir/ My personal conclusion is fenders with knobbies are a step too far into the asking for trouble and failure department. Mud guards are where it’s at for me. A plastic one for the front, and my saddle bag for the back. They don’t clog. Plus, added bonus, I get even sloppier! Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
I would NEVER ride any bike that was special to me in the winter on salted roads, wet or dry. That is a death sentence for your drive train, and possibly your steel or aluminum frame over the long run. If your commute is 22 miles, your bike will suffer. It takes no time for the lower half of your bike to get coated in brine, and that's with fenders. My years of commuting year round in Toronto have given me tons of aversion to subjecting a bicycle to winter road conditions. KJ On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Yes, fenderless. > > I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due to > the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them > happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so > as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the > clock will run out. > > So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice > banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load > carrying and no need for racks/fenders. > > But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on > my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means > white with dry salt. > > If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they > fared? > > Thanks for relating your experiences! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Plenty of road treatment in the winter precipitation here, it's cheaper than plows to clear the accumulation and less damaging (read: less costly) to patched roads come springtime. Dry salty winter roads are a momentary status quickly overcome by the effect of the next precipitation or cycle of thawing temps and sunshine. I bought a sacrificial anode Disc Trucker commuter for those special purpose, and put VO Zeppelin aluminum fenders on it. I add the Schwalbe 700x40 Winter Marathon tires for the very slippy conditions. No fears about fender binding so far. Had the same set up before using a Karate Monkey frame with drop bars. Andy Cheatham Pittsburgh On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 10:42:57 AM UTC-4, Paul Choi wrote: > > Maybe consider a cheaper dedicated winter bike that you don't need to > worry about getting wet or salty? > > On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote: >> >> Yes, fenderless. >> >> I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due >> to the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them >> happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so >> as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the >> clock will run out. >> >> So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice >> banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load >> carrying and no need for racks/fenders. >> >> But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on >> my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means >> white with dry salt. >> >> If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they >> fared? >> >> Thanks for relating your experiences! >> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Is it an option of mount skinny tires for winter and use fenders? The big gap would drastically reduce the chance of debris getting caught up in the fenders and tires. Unless you’re already running skinny tires. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
I’m unsure how parallel it is, but many of the dirt roads here use magnesium chloride (or similar) for road adhesion, lower dust, etc. Of course this salt in the dirt road becomes salt mud when wet. Not a big deal when below a certain temperature, but above, it is sloppy stuff and it does adhere well. I only ride a minimal front fender to keep it out of my eyes, and when Mark replaced my Hunqapillar’s dropouts he said there was some superficial rust but nothing he wouldn’t expect after six years, and nothing even close to structural. How relevant is that? No idea, as I don’t know how corrosive magnesium chloride is compared with salts applied for snow melt (which doesn’t happen around here). With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
I had pedaled through a few heavy Maine winters on a Surly Karate Monkey and Ogre -both fenders. Maine sees quite the range of snow from wet apple sauce to the powder to ice. I gave the bike a good wash before winter and light frame waxing. After each storm just wiped it down w/ no issues. After one season though I pulled the cranks and bearings off to see what the BB looked like -there was a very light coating of salt. The frames were framesaved, so no harm there. The bottom bracket has outboard bearings on those. The drive train took more of a beating from all the grime. On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:07:24 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Yes, fenderless. > > I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due to > the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them > happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so > as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the > clock will run out. > > So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice > banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load > carrying and no need for racks/fenders. > > But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on > my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means > white with dry salt. > > If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they > fared? > > Thanks for relating your experiences! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Here in the PNW we only get a week or two of salty roads, but plenty of rainy weeks, so take my advice with a grain of salt ;-D I always keep fenders on. But even so, I still squirt a bottle of water on frame, wheels, and drivetrain after a ride. My bike has seen two very wet winters so far, and has fared perfectly. Definitely keep riding your Rambouillet in the winter. You want the best bike you can ride in harsh conditions :-) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
This is clearly an excuse to buy a winter bike. I have a Surly LHT that I love anyway, but I also don't mind riding it all winter. Having ridden bikes year round in Minnesota for 15 years I'd say that riding in dry, cold conditions with salt residue is not a big deal (Now in Indy the weather is easier but the lack of road maintenance ad plowing actually makes it harder to ride in the winter here). It's the salty and wet conditions that really do a number on components. I also think that if you hose your bike down a couple times during the winter and lube everything every couple of rides, the chances of having any real rust issues on the frame are pretty small. The biggest problem I have is with rusty bolts and rust on the steel parts of moving components. It hurts my heart when I think of all the beautiful vintage components I destroyed back in the 90s... Look for a late-80s/early-90s rigid MTB and convert it to a commuter. The classic Deore stuff is pretty indestructible. They are fun to build and fun to ride. Brynnar Indy On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 3:40:41 PM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Probably better to just put them on for the salty season. > I definitely don't want to ride another kind of bike since my commutes are > 22 miles round trip and I love my Rambouillet for that. > I am careful about mounting fenders and my Sheldon Fender Nuts are still > on the bike so easy on/easy off. Nothing to complain about. > Glad I kept my fenders/rack/decaleur/Berthoud bag!!! > Lately been riding fenderless/rackless with banana sax. > Just bought a Roadeo so will switch banana sax to that and fender up the > Rambouillet for the winter. > > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
I find that in the NE, once the roads are treated it doesn't take much moisture for the brine to coat the drive train and frame even in "dry" conditions. If I ride a bike without fenders, I always wipe the frame and cranks down afterwards. On Wednesday, August 15, 2018 at 12:07:24 AM UTC-4, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Yes, fenderless. > > I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due to > the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them > happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so > as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the > clock will run out. > > So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice > banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load > carrying and no need for racks/fenders. > > But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on > my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means > white with dry salt. > > If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they > fared? > > Thanks for relating your experiences! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Probably better to just put them on for the salty season. I definitely don't want to ride another kind of bike since my commutes are 22 miles round trip and I love my Rambouillet for that. I am careful about mounting fenders and my Sheldon Fender Nuts are still on the bike so easy on/easy off. Nothing to complain about. Glad I kept my fenders/rack/decaleur/Berthoud bag!!! Lately been riding fenderless/rackless with banana sax. Just bought a Roadeo so will switch banana sax to that and fender up the Rambouillet for the winter. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
I bought my Rivendells to ride. Period. In all seriousness, the immense amount of sweat that pours off of me onto my bike on every single ride I ever take, causes corrosion on all my bikes. The anodizing on the headset on my Hilsen has all flaked off from said sweat. I don't have a special car I drive on salty winter roads either. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Maybe consider a cheaper dedicated winter bike that you don't need to worry about getting wet or salty? On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 9:07:24 PM UTC-7, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Yes, fenderless. > > I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due to > the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them > happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so > as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the > clock will run out. > > So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice > banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load > carrying and no need for racks/fenders. > > But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on > my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means > white with dry salt. > > If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they > fared? > > Thanks for relating your experiences! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: How do Rivendells fare fenderless on dry salty winter roads?
Lum, I think you are worrying too much about the risks associated with both fenders and racks. Properly used and mounted both present very minor risks. That said, presuming you want to preserve/pamper your Riv's frame and parts, I would definitely not ride it on salty roads, dry or wet -- although dry is better than wet. I've not ridden my Rivs in salt, but regularly do with my winter commuter (a pedestrian MTB) -- and corrosion happens, even with regular cleaning. It is my experience that there is usually some moisture somewhere even on "dry" winter roads (occasional runoff from shady spots melting, etc.) if they've been salted recently enough for the salt to still be on the pavement. Julia Westerhout Bloomington, Il On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 11:07:24 PM UTC-5, Lum Gim Fong wrote: > > Yes, fenderless. > > I grow increasingly concerned, over the years, of front end wrecks due to > the possibility of fender or rack failures as I have read about them > happenning, and now the latest blagh post. I meticulously mount fenders so > as to be as in-built stress free as poss. But I still wonder if one day the > clock will run out. > > So I have stopped riding with fenders and racks and find that a nice > banana sax and bartube or Brooks Milford are good enough for my load > carrying and no need for racks/fenders. > > But I cringe at the thought of riding fenderless on salty winter roads on > my Rambouillet. I only ride dry roads in winter, and around here that means > white with dry salt. > > If you have run your Rivs fenderless on dry salty roads, how have they > fared? > > Thanks for relating your experiences! > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
