Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar sporting Atlantis paint?

[dougP]

I hadn't read the article before posting.  The author is the editor for 
Adventure Cyclist as well as the author of the article.  She mentions 
having traveling companions so the bike may belong to one of them.  

dougP

On Thursday, July 1, 2021 at 6:32:02 AM UTC-7 Jay Lonner wrote:

> I also saw that photo in Adventure Cyclist. That bike looks like a 
> standard, later model Hunqapillar. Mine is the exact same color. The 
> smaller sizes don’t have diagatubes. I don’t think it’s a repainted 
> Atlantis, or vice versa. Nice to see it featured, in any case. 
>
> Jay Lonner
> Bellingham, WA
>
> Sent from my Atari 400
>
> On Jun 30, 2021, at 10:08 PM, dougP  wrote:
>
> 
>
> Sure looks like it.  There can't be many around.  In the photo it's buried 
> in gear but same short head tube.  My wife has a 47 cm Atlantis that looks 
> the same.  The author is Carolyne Whelan of Santa Fe, NM.  She rode 2,000 
> miles on the Great Divide route.
>
> dougP
>
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 6:07:45 PM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>
>> Is it this one? 
>> 
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>>
>>> In the July edition of Adventure Cyclist, there's a ride report about 
>>> doing the Great Divide route.  On page 23 is a photo of a bike I thought 
>>> was an Atlantis, based on the paint scheme.  Something didn't look right 
>>> about the lettering so I got out a magnifying glass.  The lettering is 
>>> Hunqapillar.  Either way, it carried the rider down the Great Divide, with 
>>> a good deal of gear strapped on.  
>>>
>>> dougP
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar sporting Atlantis paint?

[Jay Lonner]

I also saw that photo in Adventure Cyclist. That bike looks like a standard, 
later model Hunqapillar. Mine is the exact same color. The smaller sizes don’t 
have diagatubes. I don’t think it’s a repainted Atlantis, or vice versa. Nice 
to see it featured, in any case. 

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

Sent from my Atari 400

> On Jun 30, 2021, at 10:08 PM, dougP  wrote:
> 
> 
> Sure looks like it.  There can't be many around.  In the photo it's buried in 
> gear but same short head tube.  My wife has a 47 cm Atlantis that looks the 
> same.  The author is Carolyne Whelan of Santa Fe, NM.  She rode 2,000 miles 
> on the Great Divide route.
> 
> dougP
> 
>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 6:07:45 PM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:
>> Is it this one?
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>>> In the July edition of Adventure Cyclist, there's a ride report about doing 
>>> the Great Divide route.  On page 23 is a photo of a bike I thought was an 
>>> Atlantis, based on the paint scheme.  Something didn't look right about the 
>>> lettering so I got out a magnifying glass.  The lettering is Hunqapillar.  
>>> Either way, it carried the rider down the Great Divide, with a good deal of 
>>> gear strapped on.  
>>> 
>>> dougP
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar sporting Atlantis paint?

[dougP]

Sure looks like it.  There can't be many around.  In the photo it's buried 
in gear but same short head tube.  My wife has a 47 cm Atlantis that looks 
the same.  The author is Carolyne Whelan of Santa Fe, NM.  She rode 2,000 
miles on the Great Divide route.

dougP

On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 6:07:45 PM UTC-7 Kevin wrote:

> Is it this one? 
> 
>
> On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:
>
>> In the July edition of Adventure Cyclist, there's a ride report about 
>> doing the Great Divide route.  On page 23 is a photo of a bike I thought 
>> was an Atlantis, based on the paint scheme.  Something didn't look right 
>> about the lettering so I got out a magnifying glass.  The lettering is 
>> Hunqapillar.  Either way, it carried the rider down the Great Divide, with 
>> a good deal of gear strapped on.  
>>
>> dougP
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar sporting Atlantis paint?

[Kevin]

Is it this one? 


On Wednesday, June 30, 2021 at 7:55:04 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> In the July edition of Adventure Cyclist, there's a ride report about 
> doing the Great Divide route.  On page 23 is a photo of a bike I thought 
> was an Atlantis, based on the paint scheme.  Something didn't look right 
> about the lettering so I got out a magnifying glass.  The lettering is 
> Hunqapillar.  Either way, it carried the rider down the Great Divide, with 
> a good deal of gear strapped on.  
>
> dougP
>

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Will]

You gotta ride one. It's not nostalgia. It is a great bike. 

It's natural to push design. So longer cockpit, longer chainstays, etc... 
but that doesn't mean better. 

Atlantis really is unique. It's a serious, super-duty road bike for folks 
who know steel. 

And it's drop dead beautiful. Folks ask me about it all the time.  

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 9:01:25 PM UTC-5, Chris Lampe 2 wrote:

 I would guess the differences are just representations of Grant's evolving 
 preferences in bike design.  I get the impression that the Atlantis is a 
 sort of legacy model that, while still being a great bike, is kept around 
 for nostalgia reasons.  I'm pretty sure I've read statements to the effect 
 that the Hunqapillar is the next evolutionary step, from the Atlantis, in a 
 touring bike.  



 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:21:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Johnny Alien]

The Hunq came out around the same time as the updated Bullmoose bars and 
lots of the photos had it shown with those bars.  The Bosco bars did indeed 
come much later.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 11:24:33 PM UTC-4, Tim wrote:

 I don't think the Hunq was built around Bosco bars. I'm pretty sure it had 
 been in production at least a couple of years before Riv came out with the 
 Bosco bars. At least I seem to remember it that way.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Kellie]

tires widths are respective to size not just model. So same size max tire 
for each model in my size.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 6:21:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[dougP]

Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

dougP

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop than 
 the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[shawn m.]

I have both bikes. My Hunqapillar is a 54 with 700C wheels, the Atlantis is 
a 56 with 26 wheels. The Hunq is set up with racks, fenders, dyno/lights, 
and boscos. The Atlantis is minimal by comparison; drop bars, downtube 
shifters, no racks, no fenders, no dyno, but a pretty nice set of 90s era 
White Industries hubs. There are SO many differences in the setup that it's 
not super meaningful to compare the two. Sure, as FRAMESETS there's a lot 
of mission overlap; but as they're set up in the real world, they are 
fundamentally different bikes. I use the Atlantis for joyriding, and the 
Hunq for everything (commuting, errands, camping, touringAND 
joyriding). The Atlantis handles much quicker than the Hunq. Shorter 
chainstays? Maybe, but it might be just a simple case of being lighter. I 
can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; they're 
both wondrous bicycles.

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 6:21:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Will]

No. 7 mm is about 1/4 inch. So nothing dramatic. It's probably to do with 
how the lugs align or how the machines cut tube. 

The real deal is that the cockpit is slightly longer and that probably 
speaks to spec'ing Boscos. And the chainstays are slighly longer and that 
happens when you need to keep rider weight in the middle of the frame 
(given longer top tube and spec'ing Boscos). I think this bike is built 
around the bars. 

Will 

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:21:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

['Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I don't think the Hunq was built around Bosco bars. I'm pretty sure it had been 
in production at least a couple of years before Riv came out with the Bosco 
bars. At least I seem to remember it that way.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

['Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I would guess the differences are just representations of Grant's evolving 
preferences in bike design.  I get the impression that the Atlantis is a 
sort of legacy model that, while still being a great bike, is kept around 
for nostalgia reasons.  I'm pretty sure I've read statements to the effect 
that the Hunqapillar is the next evolutionary step, from the Atlantis, in a 
touring bike.  



On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 8:21:54 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[dougP]

I can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; 
they're both wondrous bicycles

From someone who is in a great position to offer a comparison.  Well said, 
Shawn.  And another testament to the versatility of a Rivendell.  Your 
Atlantis is your joyride bike.  Mine always has at least a rear rack plus 
front bag plus generally weight un-conscious components.  There are 
probably Hunqs out there set-up as joyride bikes, and people loving them in 
that guise.

dougP

On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 7:09:48 PM UTC-7, shawn m. wrote:

 I have both bikes. My Hunqapillar is a 54 with 700C wheels, the Atlantis 
 is a 56 with 26 wheels. The Hunq is set up with racks, fenders, 
 dyno/lights, and boscos. The Atlantis is minimal by comparison; drop bars, 
 downtube shifters, no racks, no fenders, no dyno, but a pretty nice set of 
 90s era White Industries hubs. There are SO many differences in the setup 
 that it's not super meaningful to compare the two. Sure, as FRAMESETS 
 there's a lot of mission overlap; but as they're set up in the real world, 
 they are fundamentally different bikes. I use the Atlantis for joyriding, 
 and the Hunq for everything (commuting, errands, camping, touringAND 
 joyriding). The Atlantis handles much quicker than the Hunq. Shorter 
 chainstays? Maybe, but it might be just a simple case of being lighter. I 
 can't imagine anyone regretting a choice between the two, though; they're 
 both wondrous bicycles.

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 6:21:54 PM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 Interesting.  48 mm for a 26 wheeled Atlantis vs 55 mm for a 26 wheeled 
 Hunq.  Maybe more going on here than meets the eye?

 dougP

 On Saturday, June 13, 2015 at 3:58:45 PM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 Weird. According to their Geo chart, the Hunq (26er) has more BB drop 
 than the Alantis (26). Shok 
 Uldnt it have less if it is more for off road touring?



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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Deacon Patrick]

Beyond stiffness of frame the only question is do you want to ride a 
mammoth or captain a ship. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 4:27:28 PM UTC-6, Kellie wrote:

 Both 26 wheels, both cantis, both fit a max. tire of 2.35 I'm my 
 respective size. What are differences? Of course, beside the $300 for a 
 frame. They even share the same build kits.


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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[drew]

here is what will said when i asked him

Atlantis and Hunqapillar are both straight gauge (not a bad thing!) os x 
platinum .8mm in the main triangle. The fork is tougher on the Hunqa and 
the chainstays are thicker...That's about it as far as tubing. The 
geometries are different, but the tubing is basically the same. Oh and Hunq 
forks are made in Taiwan, the rest is made by Waterford, which accounts for 
the price difference between the two models.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[dougP]

Both of them do a lot of things and there is a lot of overlap between the 
two.  It seems the Hunq is a bit more off-pavement oriented and the 
Atlantis a bit more paved road / touring, but the differences in that 
regard are subtle.  Some geometry diffs (Hunqs have longer chainstays, for 
instance).  Flip a coin?  Save $300?  Either one is a bike to ride a long 
time  a long way.  

dougP

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 3:27:28 PM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:

 Both 26 wheels, both cantis, both fit a max. tire of 2.35 I'm my 
 respective size. What are differences? Of course, beside the $300 for a 
 frame. They even share the same build kits.


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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Will]

 I think it depends on what you want for wheel base. The Atlantis is about 
1 shorter: having slightly shorter chainstays and shorter top tube. 
Otherwise I think they are very much the same. 
  
I have an Atlantis. It's great. I wouldn't change anything. I haven't 
figured out what makes a longer wheelbase more desireable. 

I run rear panniers 100% of the time, never hit them with heels so the rear 
works fine. 

Maybe HunQ has some unknown mojo... but no bike will have a better head 
tube badge. 

The Atlantis badge is worth $2300. 



On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 5:27:28 PM UTC-5, Kellie wrote:

 Both 26 wheels, both cantis, both fit a max. tire of 2.35 I'm my 
 respective size. What are differences? Of course, beside the $300 for a 
 frame. They even share the same build kits.


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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar vs. Atlantis

[Ginz]

Well, which size are you considering? The Altantis comes in more sizes so you 
may be choosing between a hunq that fits bigger and an Atlantis that fits 
smaller. 

I considered this when I picked the 48cm hunq with a 54cm top tube over the 
47cm Atlantis with a 52cm? top tube. 

Handlebar choice might also factor into that. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
 How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
 because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
 was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
 riders with light loads?

You're right, that's nonsense.  The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
bike suitable only for light touring and light riders.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Larry Powers]

Per Riv:
 
The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of 
its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first 
production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, 
commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or 
wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a 
saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.

The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest 
use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the 
Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for 
heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I would 
not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis.  
 
Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows 
the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is 
optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike 
and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most 
production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with 
upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can 
do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike for 
this use.  
 
Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for 
loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  
Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any of 
the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis does 
not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be the 
Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no interest in 
riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am lucky enough to 
own several several bicycles and between them I can choose the one most suited 
to the ride of the day.
 
The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because it 
the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason so 
take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best and 
get out and ride.

Larry Powers 
 
Rambouillet
Atlantis
Quickbeam
 
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 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?
 From: palin...@his.com
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:08:58 -0400
 
 On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
  How light a rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
  because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
  was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
  riders with light loads?
 
 You're right, that's nonsense. The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
 bike suitable only for light touring and light riders.
 
 
 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[William]

Christian

Have you made progress on your decision?  It seems that you are leaning to 
the 54cm Hunqa and that sounds to me like it would be an excellent choice. 
 The total list of all possible choices of Rivs seems like it would be:

1.  54cm Hunqa
2.  56cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter Con: 26 wheels (if you don't like 
26 wheels) also maybe too small?  $$
3.  58cm Atlantis.  Pro:  A touch lighter and 700C wheels Con: maybe too 
large?  $$
4.  56cm Hillborne.  Pro:  Much less expensive  Con:  Maybe forced to 
sidepull brakes in that size.  
5.  56cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, uses your existing 650B 
infrastructure  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe too big
6.  52cm Bombadil.  Pro:  Uber rugged, 650B.  Con:  Heavy, expensive maybe 
too small

Since it's a 54cm Hunqa, there is no diagotube, so the frameset weight 
between that and the Atlantis will be essentially identical.  Seems like 
that's your bike.  Have you concluded that?

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
love the color.  I am sure it would do all I would want it to do.  For
now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
the Atlantis.  I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.

As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too.  Who knows.

Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
conditions.  I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
I'll try the Sam too.  My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  My Terraferma can do most things but
it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.

Best wishes,

Christian

On Jul 7, 10:22 am, Larry Powers lapower...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Per Riv:

 The Atlantis is our most versatile bike, our best-seller, and as evidence of 
 its mature design, is virtually unchanged since we introduced it as our first 
 production bike in 1999.75. It is ideal for loaded touring, trail riding, 
 commuting, and general riding where you're likely to want tires 35mm wide or 
 wider most of the time, and fenders a lot of the time. Around here, we have a 
 saying: You can do anything on an Atlantis. Because you can.

 The Atlantis is a stout over built road touring bike.  Riv lists its heaviest 
 use as loaded touring (road touring is implied).  The heaviest use of the 
 Bombadil is loaded trail touring so by Riv standards this bike is built for 
 heavier use.  By normal standards both are over built and bomb proof.  I 
 would not hesitate to do an off road tour on my Atlantis.  

 Maybe someone can shed some light on this.  Based on the way Rivendell shows 
 the bikes in pictures the Atlantis seems to be designed as a road bike and is 
 optimzed for drop bars.  The Bombadil seems to be designed as a mountain bike 
 and is optimized for upright bars.  The Atlantis is built heavier then most 
 production mountain bikes and in the past people have built them up with 
 upright bars and used them for trail and mountain bikes.  As Riv says you can 
 do anything on an Atlantis.  I think the Bombadil is just optimizing a bike 
 for this use.  

 Different bikes for different people and uses.  My Atlantis is built up for 
 loaded road touring but dirt roads and single track could be toured as well.  
 Aesthetically I do not like the double top tubes and none is offered on any 
 of the Atlantis sizes.  I don't mind the extra lateral tube but the Atlantis 
 does not suffer from not having one.  If I were to own one bike it would be 
 the Atlantis.  It is probably the most versatile bike for me (I have no 
 interest in riding anything more technical then smooth single track).  I am 
 lucky enough to own several several bicycles and between them I can choose 
 the one most suited to the ride of the day.

 The only point to this is that the Atlantis should not be dismissed because 
 it the oldest bike in the Riv stable.  It has lasted this long for a reason 
 so take a good look at all of the frames and pick the one that you like best 
 and get out and ride.

 Larry Powers

 Rambouillet
 Atlantis
 Quickbeam

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  Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?
  From: palin...@his.com
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
  Date: Thu, 7 Jul 2011 07:08:58 -0400

  On Wed, 2011-07-06 at 20:25 -0700, Anne Paulson wrote:
   How light a rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
   because before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis
   was marketed as a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light
   riders with light loads?

  You're right, that's nonsense. The Atlantis is hugely overbuilt for a
  bike suitable only for light touring and light riders.

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Re: RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[SteveF]

On Wednesday, July 6, 2011 8:37:55 AM UTC-4, Larry Powers wrote:

  Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original 
 Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a 
 cream head tube...   


Well, yeah-my Orange'bouillet is my favorite bike aesthetically though I've 
come to prefer my 650b bikes' performance and proportions.  Though I'd call 
the trim on the Rambly more white than cream, and a pretty stark white at 
that.

Looks good no matter how you call it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Seth Vidal]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Christian
christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote:
 I really like the Atlantis too and have wanted one for some time; I
 love the color.  I am sure it would do all I would want it to do.  For
 now though the $500 price difference is important and I'd be really
 happy with the Hunqapillar so I cannot see spending the extra money on
 the Atlantis.  I am not really a fan of two tubes either, but with a
 54 Hunqapillar that's not a concern.

 As for bars: I'd likely go with drops as I find them most comfortable,
 but I could be persuaded to go with Bullmoose bars too.  Who knows.

 Atlantis or Hunqapillar: Either way I'd be thrilled to own a Rivendell
 and have a bike, again, that I can use for fully loaded touring in any
 conditions.  I'll try both when I am out there and see how it goes.
 I'll try the Sam too.  My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
 want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
 terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
 seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
 either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.  My Terraferma can do most things but
 it'll snap in half under a big load and I want to keep it set up like
 it is--as a pretty speedy long distance road bike.




Have you considered a used atlantis? There have been a number on sale
from time to time on this list. I've debated selling mine occasionally
b/c I've come to the conclusion that I bought a size below where I
should have, but I've never quite pulled the trigger on selling it
b/c, despite being a bit small, it still rides well. :)

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[SteveF]

On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:31:47 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

 Hi everyone, 

 Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there 
 are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again. 

 So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I 
 have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt 
 road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything 
 else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and 
 there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the 
 Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to 
 do it on. 

 The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/ 
 w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building 
 up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will 
 test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have- 
 you now. 

 Thanks and best wishes, 

 Christian


Well, I'd go by intended purpose.  If you want to do the divide trail, go 
with the Hunq for it's off-road leanings.  If you plan mainly paved touring, 
the Atlantis is worth considering.  The $500 price difference is worth 
considering, too, of course!  
(I'd want suspension for a Divide ride, myself--my Rivish leanings stop when 
the trail gets bumpy!) 

Steve

Steve  

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Jim M.]

On Jul 6, 8:25 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
 Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which
 is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
 Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
 suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or
 the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.

The Great Divide route is on my to-do list. I follow the Tour Divide
race, and the most popular tire among winners has been the WTB
Nanoraptor, which is about a 52, and will fit a Hunq. Deanna Adams did
the Divide on a fixed-gear road bike with Ritchey cyclocross tires:
http://www.xo-1.org/2009/06/deanna-adams-tackles-tour-divide.html

A few years ago, former Riv employee Daniel did the Divide route on,
IIRC, the proto-Hunq, or maybe proto-Bomba. I'm sure the Atlantis
would do fine on the route, but personally I'd want fatter tires and
would probably choose a Hunq (or my non-Riv 29er, which fits 65's.

jim m
wc ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Anne Paulson]

On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian
christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.comwrote:

My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
 want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
 terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
 seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
 either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.


According to the Riv website, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway) put
standard-sized mountain bike off-road tires on the Atlantis. They say it
takes tires up to 52 mm. If you walk into your LBS and ask to buy a mountain
bike tire, they'll show you tires that are 2.1 in (53.3 mm), 2.35 in (59.6
mm) or 2.5 in (63.5 mm). 26 x 1.5 tires are not as common; I know this
because that's what I use on my Atlantis and I've from time to time gone to
a bike shop to try to find a replacement, with little success.

The Hunqa and Bomba suggested tire sizes go up to 55 mm. So they'll accept
the narrower 2.1 inch mountain bike tires, but not wider ones.

-- Anne Paulson

My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Yeah, suspension might be nice. I rode the Montana section in 1998 and
had a suspension front fork--a Voodoo Erzulie.  I do not know about
the rest of the route but the MT section was mostly dirt roads that I
*think* would be OK with fat tires at low pressure.  In fact, I
remember my wife and I saying that our tires were TOO fat for most of
the conditions--we'd rather have had something with less rolling
resistance.  Now I am veering way off topic.

Thanks

Christian

On Jul 7, 1:17 pm, SteveF frede...@msu.edu wrote:
 On Tuesday, July 5, 2011 1:31:47 PM UTC-4, Christian wrote:

  Hi everyone,

  Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there
  are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again.

  So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I
  have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt
  road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything
  else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and
  there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the
  Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to
  do it on.

  The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/
  w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building
  up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will
  test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have-
  you now.

  Thanks and best wishes,

  Christian

 Well, I'd go by intended purpose.  If you want to do the divide trail, go
 with the Hunq for it's off-road leanings.  If you plan mainly paved touring,
 the Atlantis is worth considering.  The $500 price difference is worth
 considering, too, of course!  
 (I'd want suspension for a Divide ride, myself--my Rivish leanings stop when
 the trail gets bumpy!)

 Steve

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Great to know--thanks.  I am reading and rereading all these details
on the website but don't yet have it all in my head.

Christian

On Jul 7, 1:42 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 7, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Christian
 christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.comwrote:

     My only hesitation with the Sam is that I do
  want something that really has no limitations in terms of load,
  terrain, etc.  Perhaps the Sam does not and I am mistaken.  But it
  seems to me that if one wants a go anywhere touring bike then it's
  either Atlantis/Hunq/Bombadil.

 According to the Riv website, you can't (or shouldn't, anyway) put
 standard-sized mountain bike off-road tires on the Atlantis. They say it
 takes tires up to 52 mm. If you walk into your LBS and ask to buy a mountain
 bike tire, they'll show you tires that are 2.1 in (53.3 mm), 2.35 in (59.6
 mm) or 2.5 in (63.5 mm). 26 x 1.5 tires are not as common; I know this
 because that's what I use on my Atlantis and I've from time to time gone to
 a bike shop to try to find a replacement, with little success.

 The Hunqa and Bomba suggested tire sizes go up to 55 mm. So they'll accept
 the narrower 2.1 inch mountain bike tires, but not wider ones.

 -- Anne Paulson

 My hovercraft is full of eels

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Christian]

Thanks everyone!  Just what I wanted: some good old opinions.  I love
the color too.  By the way, I'd be looking at the 54 as I am 5'9 and
so the 26in wheels are out of the mix.

I think the Hunk is the one for me.  The Sam looks nice too but the
stoutness of the Hunk really appeals to me.  But I'll try a bunch when
I am out there.

Now I just have to go through the agonizing process of convincing
myself and my wife that I need it in addition to my Terraferma!  That
said, it does seem to me like a great combo: a speedy 650B that's
comfortable all day and can handle dirt and stout touring do-
everything-else bike.  I don't have other biking needs/interests.

Thanks again.

Christianc

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RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Larry Powers]

Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original 
Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a cream 
head tube.I also like the paint on the Atlantis, it is good looking, it has 
been the only stock color of the bike since it went into production and when 
you see the color you know exactly what bike it is.  A true classic.  
 
The Atlantis is a very stout touring bike although it was not designed to be an 
off road touring bike.  Mine is a 61cm frame and I would not hesitate to loaded 
tour on dirt roads and single track with it.  I don't know how the bottom 
bracket height compares to the Hunqapillar but if one is higher then the other 
then it may be better for more technical terrain.   The other issue is if the 
bike will get rough use why not go with the lower cost bike since you will not 
feel quite as bad the first time it gets a good bash on the trail.   
 
You will be happy which ever way you go.

Larry Powers 
 
Get a bicycle.  You will not regret it if you live. - Mark Twain

 



Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 17:31:50 -0700
From: joerem...@gmail.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?


My opinion is a shallow one: I think the paint job on the Hunqapillar is the 
most beautiful combo Rivendell has produced. Get the pretty one, save 500 
bucks. 
 
Joe Bernard
Fairfield, CA.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Ginz]

All other differences aside, I think some folks would prefer the
single top-tubed Atlantis over the Hunq simply based on asthetics.
That is a perfectly resonable feeling.  It took me a while, but I have
come to like the double-tube.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[William Pustow]

I agree. I was too late in drinking the cool aid and got the green Rambouillet, 
so when I ordered the Homer I had it painted the original Ram orange.
Bill
Louisville, Ky
On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Larry Powers wrote:

 Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original 
 Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a 
 cream head tube. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Eric Daume]

For some reason, I somewhat like the diagonal tube on the Hunq, while the
parallel tubes on the Homer, etc, are a non starter for me. I don't really
care for the full distance diagonals on the Bombadil, either... but lately,
the Hunq is kind of preying on my mind.

Eric
Dublin, OH

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 8:59 AM, Ginz theg...@gmail.com wrote:

 All other differences aside, I think some folks would prefer the
 single top-tubed Atlantis over the Hunq simply based on asthetics.
 That is a perfectly resonable feeling.  It took me a while, but I have
 come to like the double-tube.

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RE: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Larry Powers]

Sweet.  I forgot about the Green Rambo that jade green was almost as good as 
the orange.

Larry Powers 
 
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Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or?
Date: Wed, 6 Jul 2011 09:08:18 -0400
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com


I agree. I was too late in drinking the cool aid and got the green Rambouillet, 
so when I ordered the Homer I had it painted the original Ram orange.
Bill
Louisville, Ky


On Jul 6, 2011, at 8:37 AM, Larry Powers wrote:
Fighting words!  The most beautiful paint job on a a bike is the original 
Orange Rambouillet.  It was a unique and gorgeous shade of orange with a cream 
head tube. 

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Ian Dickson]

Happy owner of a 54cm Hunqapillar, here. The only reason I did not get an 
Atlantis is that I needed larger tire clearances. Either bike is sturdy 
enough for any reasonable use, and I like the more classic looks of the 
Atlantis. My Hunq is a nice looking bike, but it's also a strange looking 
bike. With 29x2s on a 54cm frame, it kind of looks like it's all wheels. 
Also, you get more sizing choices with the Atlantis. It's a great, 
time-honored design. Nothing against the Hunqapillar, which is the nicest 
bike I've ever owned.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[charlie]

Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
AtlantisThe Hunqua is just made for harder, heavier use and I
guess it does take wider tires. The larger frames having the
additional tube would be stiffer also which would help on a heavily
loaded bicycle.  I myself prefer the more traditional look of the
Atlantis but if I wanted/needed a beefier bike I'd definitely get the
Hunquapillar did I spell that right... the name reminds me of
Caterpillar tractors? I think for most people wanting a road/touring
bicycle the Atlantis is one fine frame and very versatile for what
most people are likely to use a bicycle for.

On Jul 5, 8:44 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 So, then, you're saying that if I'm a medium weight person carrying a normal
 amount that a loaded tourist might carry-- say, not much more than 65
 pounds-- and I'm not riding on gnarly single track but on paved roads, fire
 roads and single track that is not gnarly, then the Hunq would offer no
 advantage to me over the Atlantis? Except, of course, the considerable
 advantage of being $500 cheaper?

 In fact I do take my Atlantis, loaded up with 50 or 60 pounds, on fire
 roads, paved roads and non-gnarly single track, and it performs beautifully.
 YMMV.

  On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

  I think it really depends on the riders weight/size and how much of a
  load the bike will carry. The 'Hunk' has heavier gauge tubing which
  would be a plus as would the added diagonal tube. Can't remember the
  ground clearance dimension but the Atlantis seems more like a road
  touring bicycle rather than a multi surface off roader if you get my
  drift.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Anne Paulson]

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
 Atlantis


How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused because
before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis was marketed as
a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light riders with light
loads? As a data point, I think of myself as a medium-weight rider, and I
usually carry a pretty heavy load as touring loads go, yet my Atlantis has
performed flawlessly in maybe ten thousand miles of touring.

I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which
is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or
the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[PATRICK MOORE]

This list has many riders in the north of 250 lb category, so
light and heavy take on a rather different meaning.

Patrick and many of them can ride me into the dirt, too Moore

On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:


 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
 Atlantis

 How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused because
 before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis was marketed as
 a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light riders with light
 loads? As a data point, I think of myself as a medium-weight rider, and I
 usually carry a pretty heavy load as touring loads go, yet my Atlantis has
 performed flawlessly in maybe ten thousand miles of touring.
 I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
 Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm, which
 is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
 Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
 suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq or
 the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[erik jensen]

you could go on a loaded tour with a road bike and 25mm tires and be just
fine. it's really overthinking at a certain point, and i think atlantis v
hunq is that point.

pick either bike, they both are more than adequate for any use. match your
tire setup to your purpose, they have the same clearance.

to me, owning both, i got a hunqapillar because i wanted a mtb that handled
like my atlantis. i could flip parts and have just as good of a bike doing
the other task as I do now.

i wouldn't get a bike with less clearance, because i want a bike i can ride
home on 40mm tires with a broken spoke (or 2).

ymmv,

erik


On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:28 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 This list has many riders in the north of 250 lb category, so
 light and heavy take on a rather different meaning.

 Patrick and many of them can ride me into the dirt, too Moore

 On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 9:25 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 
  On Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Yea I guess I am saying a lighter rider/load would do fine on an
  Atlantis
 
  How light a  rider and load are we talking about here? I'm confused
 because
  before there was any Hunqapiller or any Bomba, the Atlantis was marketed
 as
  a touring bike. Now it's only a touring bike for light riders with light
  loads? As a data point, I think of myself as a medium-weight rider, and I
  usually carry a pretty heavy load as touring loads go, yet my Atlantis
 has
  performed flawlessly in maybe ten thousand miles of touring.
  I'm also confused because I looked at the recommended tire size for
  Hunqapillars and Bombadils. The recommendation only goes up to 55 mm,
 which
  is smaller than the usual off-road tires. Say I wanted to do the Great
  Divide. Say I was a good bike handler, so I thought I'd be OK with no
  suspension. I'd still want to be riding mountain bike tires, so the Hunq
 or
  the Bomba still wouldn't work for me.
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Leslie]

If Atlantis is really in the mix, I would suggest a Bombadil even;  the 
Atlantis really was/is Rivendell's original touring bike, but the Bombadil 
is even moreso.  

However, as the Sam is a more affordable Homer  (remember this page? 
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/30/original_A.pdf  I always liked 
that, 100% of the function but saving $1000; of course, the Sam's gone up a 
bit now, but, the idea still holds)... anyway, along those lines of 
thinking, I'd think the Hunqapillar is what you would want to look at.   
Rivendell bikes do have a good amount of overlap, any of the three would do 
the job very well, but why not the Hunq?  $500 is a good part of the way on 
the parts, so, I say, sure, go Hunq.The only reason I would see why you 
might not want to is if you did have your heart set on 650B wheels... both 
the Hunq and the Atlantis are 26 on the smaller end, 700c on the larger 
sizes;  the biggest Bombadils are also 700c, but the smaller ones are 
650B.   

You have perused this page, right? 
http://www.rivbike.com/assets/payloads/429/original_currentbikesrr43.pdf   
Sounds like, the Hunq is made for you..

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[charlie]

You have answered you own question so yes, get the 'Hunqua'...I
think any sensible ride could be done on the 'Hunk' and will probably
last a lifetime or more.

On Jul 5, 10:31 am, Christian christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi everyone,

 Variations on this question have been asked before but now that there
 are more Hunqas out there I thought it would not hurt to ask again.

 So.  I am in the market for a touring/trail/commuting/tough bike.  I
 have a 650B Terraferma that I use for randonneuring, paved and dirt
 road riding, etc.  I love it.  But I really want a bike for everything
 else, especially loaded touring--even if just for a night here and
 there.  The Terraferma's not made for loads.  Someday I'll finish the
 Great Divide--I rode the Montana section in 1998--and want a bike to
 do it on.

 The Atlantis has always been very appealing but the $500 difference b/
 w the two is, for me, significant.  $500 will go a long way building
 up a Hunqa.  I am going to be visiting Riv later in the month and will
 test both.  But thought I'd solicit some ideas, opinions, what-have-
 you now.

 Thanks and best wishes,

 Christian

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Zack]

I made my decision between bomba, sam, atlantis, and hunk like this:

I have a 93.5 pbh.

They aren't making the 64 cm Atlantis any more.  So no Atlantis.

Bomba is nice, but is more expensive than the hunk, and there was a long 
backorder (like 6 months I think, but I could be off on that) when I was 
looking at them in May.

So to me it came down to the Hunk vs. the Sam.  

I rode, and loved, both.  The 62cm Hunk was nice.  It felt very stable, 
comfortable, and was a super-fun bike to ride.  It was really unlike any 
bike I had ever ridden.  Loading it up would be a blast.  Riding it around 
empty would also be fun, but it doesn't feel fast.

The 64cm Sam was also fantastic.  It felt lighter and more spry.  Much more 
like the bikes that I am used to riding.  The double-top tube helps make it 
more stable I think, and I can use that stability as I am a big guy.  I 
loved that I could set this up with noodles and jack browns and ride 
fast-ish, and that i could put duremes and albas on it and ride slower and 
loaded up (but not as loaded as I could get on the hunk).  

To me, the versatility of the Sam was the clincher. 

This is all clearly just my opinion/feel/etc., but I figured I'd share.  On 
a side note, I am probably going to get the Sam in the next few weeks, I am 
psyched.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[charlie]

I think it really depends on the riders weight/size and how much of a
load the bike will carry. The 'Hunk' has heavier gauge tubing which
would be a plus as would the added diagonal tube. Can't remember the
ground clearance dimension but the Atlantis seems more like a road
touring bicycle rather than a multi surface off roader if you get my
drift. An Atlantis seems like the perfect Rando bike for a heavy guy
and the Sam for more normal weight people. The 'Hunk' is just beefier
and so would be able to carry more weight and not feel like riding a
wet noodle. Not a problem for a 180 pounder with a load but it sure
would be for a 280 pound rider and a load. My own (similar to the
Atlantis) touring frame is kind of rated for a 275 pound load and I
tip the scales at 260 so I don't load it with much and use it as my
normal derailleur geared road bicycle. Hey... maybe I will get a
'Hunk' since my Simple One has been such a pleasure to ride. What ever
happened to the load limit chart for the Riv models anyway.

On Jul 5, 5:55 pm, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote:
 Here's a question maybe some of you Hunq owners can answer-- what is the
 Atlantis giving away in loaded touring? At what point would I be touring on
 my Atlantis and say to myself, wow, wish my bike wasn't doing that, I wish I
 had a Hunq instead?

 Seriously. I can easily imagine a point where I thought to myself, I wish I
 was riding a bike with a front suspension instead of my Atlantis (and for
 me, that point would come on the Great Divide, but YMMV). But I'm trying to
 understand when I'd wish I had a Hunq and what the symptoms would be. (I
 ride a 56 cm. Things might be different if I were on a bigger frame.)

 Christian, for you it sounds like the Hunq is the right choice.

 -- Anne

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 3:26 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi Christian, arm-chair expert replying here, but if it's loaded touring
  you'll be doing, get the Hunq.   The Atlantis can of course do that, but I
  bet the extra beefiness of the Hunq would really shine through.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Anne Paulson]

So, then, you're saying that if I'm a medium weight person carrying a normal
amount that a loaded tourist might carry-- say, not much more than 65
pounds-- and I'm not riding on gnarly single track but on paved roads, fire
roads and single track that is not gnarly, then the Hunq would offer no
advantage to me over the Atlantis? Except, of course, the considerable
advantage of being $500 cheaper?

In fact I do take my Atlantis, loaded up with 50 or 60 pounds, on fire
roads, paved roads and non-gnarly single track, and it performs beautifully.
YMMV.

 On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:28 PM, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I think it really depends on the riders weight/size and how much of a
 load the bike will carry. The 'Hunk' has heavier gauge tubing which
 would be a plus as would the added diagonal tube. Can't remember the
 ground clearance dimension but the Atlantis seems more like a road
 touring bicycle rather than a multi surface off roader if you get my
 drift.


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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Scotty]

I find that a very tough choice myself. Why not both? :-)  
 
Really I dont think you can go wrong with either. That Hunq sure is pretty, 
stunningly so. The Atlantis is the bike that drew me to Rivendell in the 
first place. It was my original Riv dream bike. If I did not already have a 
capable Touring bike it is probably what I would have gotten, but since i 
did I went in a different direction and bought a Hilsen.
 
I recently saw a set of pictures on the Yves Gomez facebook page of a 
Hunqapillar that went on display at some bike related art thing, and it 
truly is a work of art. Possibly the most beautiful bike I have ever seen.

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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Joe Bernard]

My opinion is a shallow one: I think the paint job on the Hunqapillar is the 
most beautiful combo Rivendell has produced. Get the pretty one, save 500 
bucks. 
 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

[Joe Bernard]

In my size they're both 26-inch wheel bikes, and my favorite Rivs. I'd take 
the Hunqapillar simply because I love the color. The price drop is nice, 
too, but wouldn't be the decider.
 
Joe Bernard
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Re: [RBW] Re: Hunqapillar or Atlantis or....?

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