Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I don't know why he hasn't followed up here but on 1 Aug 14 the guy who started this thread (Bill) wrote a post titled RBWHQ Spy Photos with several Riv blessed photos of the prototype Appaloosa frame. On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 7:32:52 AM UTC-8, Richard Rios wrote: Are there any rides in the works? I've been wanting to go on one just really haven't had any luck with making it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Are there any rides in the works? I've been wanting to go on one just really haven't had any luck with making it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Just a bit more fuel for the speculation fire...I actually purchased the sister / brother to the blue bike mentioned above as seen in the garage sale video... Same frame smaller and different color 52/3 cm frame 650B wheels, It was listed as a proto Hunqapillar on the Riv website when I purchased it. Funny thing is when I contacted Brian with some questions about the bike I referred to it as a Hunqapillar and he replied back referring to it as an Appaloosa. I thought it was kinda' odd at the time. Perhaps a mistake...but after reading this not so sure about that. Any way I now refer to it as a Hunqappaloosa. Any one in the greater socal area is welcome to come and check it out...see what you think. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:03:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/23/2014 08:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear ... or, to put it slightly differently, *Because something is happening here* * But you don’t know what it is* * Do you, Mister Jones?* Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/ballad-thin-man#ixzz3Jx467zaN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Bring it out to a SoCal Riv Ride! Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2014, at 8:13 PM, Richard Rios richardario...@gmail.com wrote: Just a bit more fuel for the speculation fire...I actually purchased the sister / brother to the blue bike mentioned above as seen in the garage sale video... Same frame smaller and different color 52/3 cm frame 650B wheels, It was listed as a proto Hunqapillar on the Riv website when I purchased it. Funny thing is when I contacted Brian with some questions about the bike I referred to it as a Hunqapillar and he replied back referring to it as an Appaloosa. I thought it was kinda' odd at the time. Perhaps a mistake...but after reading this not so sure about that. Any way I now refer to it as a Hunqappaloosa. Any one in the greater socal area is welcome to come and check it out...see what you think. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 8:03:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 11/23/2014 08:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear ... or, to put it slightly differently, Because something is happening here But you don’t know what it is Do you, Mister Jones? Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/ballad-thin-man#ixzz3Jx467zaN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I'm realizing what the most interesting-to-me part of the most recent Blug post is. It's the graphic just above the plate of food. -Jim W. On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
That picture is the new bike which will be called the Appaloosa, correct? And it will be cheap (by Riv standards) and take wide tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Riders with Very Large Feet won't have any heel clearance issues with panniers. Wow! dougP On Sunday, November 23, 2014 5:35:31 AM UTC-8, Jeffrey Marco wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
It is the Clem Smith Jr. On Nov 23, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: That picture is the new bike which will be called the Appaloosa, correct? And it will be cheap (by Riv standards) and take wide tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. On Nov 23, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: That picture is the new bike which will be called the Appaloosa, correct? And it will be cheap (by Riv standards) and take wide tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I'm so confused. And those blug posts have done nothing to clear the confusion. Riv is not putting the Sam on vacation, or is putting the Sam on vacation? There are two new bikes, the Clem and the Appaloosa. Which one is a budget bike? Which one takes cantis? Which one has super-long chainstays? Which one was pictured in the message from Jeffrey Marco? Is there a picture of the other one? What sizes will these two bikes come in? Why two new bikes-- how are they different from the existing bikes sold by Riv? I guess they both take fat tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. On Nov 23, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: That picture is the new bike which will be called the Appaloosa, correct? And it will be cheap (by Riv standards) and take wide tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I think Anne was just wondering which of the two concept bikes was illustrated in the photo. Understandable, since we've managed to confuse things so well at this point. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:38:10 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I'm pretty sure the golden/yellow colored bike just shown is the large Clem Smith Jr. Prototype. It's partially tig welded, will be about $1500 for a full bike and may be sold only as a complete. The long green bike that someone else posted is the the-bicycle-formerly-known-as-Joe-Apaloosa and it sounds like it was a one-time thing. There was a blue bike that was posted awhile back and that sold at the Riv garage sale. Someone called it a new proto-Hunqapillar but I'm thinking it has now been re-named Joe Apaloosa. That's the one that is like a cant-Sam, with long chainstays and 50mm + tire clearance. Price and country of origin unknown but presumably Taiwan and similar to Sam. Or maybe the blue bike is a red herring and has nothing to do with either the Clem Smith or the Apaloosa. Does this sound about right? On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:01:58 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I did not intend the reply to sound snarky. I had just before sent a reply directly answering Anne's question. That first reply said, It is the Clem Smith Jr. After hitting send, I decided to add another sentence to the reply to serve as elaboration to add to my first reply. The two sentences were intended to be read as: It is the Clem Smith Jr. There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. Due to my clumsiness, the sentences came in two separate posts. I thought that would be good enough since the second post came on the heels of the other one in the forum. This was a mistake. I am sorry for the appearance of snarkiness, because that was not my intent. -Jim W. p.s. My intent in these posts was to try to highlights facts that recently been given to us on the forum, because I too was confused until Grant P's forum post cleared things up for me. On Nov 23, 2014, at 10:55 AM, iamkeith wrote: I think Anne was just wondering which of the two concept bikes was illustrated in the photo. Understandable, since we've managed to confuse things so well at this point. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 11:38:10 AM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I think that's MOSTLY right. - As for the blue bike, I'm betting on red herring - at least until someone says it's official. It does sound like the idea has progressed beyond paper though, and that there may be some actual prototypes out there. Until we get some official spy photos though, it's anybody's guess what it will looks like. I'm kind of expecting more normal sam-like, with double top tubes on larger sizes, rather than diaga-tubes - but that's purely speculation. - Grant did seem to clarify that the Clem will be available as a frame, but with an *option* for a complete build. - I don't think that room for 50cm tires was actually ever mentioned for the canti-sam/appaloosa project - only the Clem Smith Jr. project. Grant's description of the former, above, only says a hair more clearance than the normal Sam. We can dream though! On Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:13:06 PM UTC-7, Chris Lampe 2 wrote: I'm pretty sure the golden/yellow colored bike just shown is the large Clem Smith Jr. Prototype. It's partially tig welded, will be about $1500 for a full bike and may be sold only as a complete. The long green bike that someone else posted is the the-bicycle-formerly-known-as-Joe-Apaloosa and it sounds like it was a one-time thing. There was a blue bike that was posted awhile back and that sold at the Riv garage sale. Someone called it a new proto-Hunqapillar but I'm thinking it has now been re-named Joe Apaloosa. That's the one that is like a cant-Sam, with long chainstays and 50mm + tire clearance. Price and country of origin unknown but presumably Taiwan and similar to Sam. Or maybe the blue bike is a red herring and has nothing to do with either the Clem Smith or the Apaloosa. Does this sound about right? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Thx! For the right price . . . naaah. ;-) From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Kendallspower Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:03 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek Want! https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452 On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I like the idea of the Clem (budget Riv All Rounder-type) but I don't think I'm ever going to get past those bendy seatstays. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 12:39:38 PM UTC-8, Pudge wrote: Thx! For the right price . . . naaah. ;-) *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: [mailto: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:] *On Behalf Of *Kendallspower *Sent:* Saturday, November 22, 2014 10:03 PM *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: *Subject:* [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek Want! https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452 On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-own...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear ... On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm so confused. And those blug posts have done nothing to clear the confusion. Riv is not putting the Sam on vacation, or is putting the Sam on vacation? There are two new bikes, the Clem and the Appaloosa. Which one is a budget bike? Which one takes cantis? Which one has super-long chainstays? Which one was pictured in the message from Jeffrey Marco? Is there a picture of the other one? What sizes will these two bikes come in? Why two new bikes-- how are they different from the existing bikes sold by Riv? I guess they both take fat tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:38 AM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: There has been no statement that the canti-Sam (AKA Joe Appaloosa) will be at the budget price or will have TIG welds at the headtube. On Nov 23, 2014, at 10:28 AM, Anne Paulson wrote: That picture is the new bike which will be called the Appaloosa, correct? And it will be cheap (by Riv standards) and take wide tires? On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 5:35 AM, Jeffrey Marco jeffrey.marc...@gmail.com wrote: here's the full pic of what ever this bike is for those who haven't seen it. https://flic.kr/p/p5ACcg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *[I]n exploring the physical universe man has made no attempt to explore himself. Much of what goes by the name of pleasure is simply an effort to destroy consciousness. If one started by asking, what is man? what are his needs? how can he best express himself? one would discover that merely having the power to avoid work and live one’s life from birth to death in electric light and to the tune of tinned music is not a reason for doing so.”* * -- George Orwell, Pleasure Spots* *Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not money, I am become as a sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not money, I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not money, it profiteth me nothing. Money suffereth long, and it is kind; money envieth not; money vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, doth not behave unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; beareth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. . . . And now abideth faith, hope, money, these three; but the
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I'm *still* going to order a custom, it's clear that LARGE frames are not going to be in the new lineup. - Andrew, Berkeley -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
That looks like one arm of a fork crown, complete with a possible threaded 5mm hole for a front rack. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:12:43 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote: I'm realizing what the most interesting-to-me part of the most recent Blug post is. It's the graphic just above the plate of food. -Jim W. On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I was hoping they were finally embracing internal wiring for lights, they already have some bikes with threaded fork crowns, I know my old bombadil had one. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 10:26 PM, Benz, Sunnyvale, CA benzouy...@gmail.com wrote: That looks like one arm of a fork crown, complete with a possible threaded 5mm hole for a front rack. On Sunday, November 23, 2014 9:12:43 AM UTC-8, James Warren wrote: I'm realizing what the most interesting-to-me part of the most recent Blug post is. It's the graphic just above the plate of food. -Jim W. On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
On 11/23/2014 08:40 PM, Patrick Moore wrote: There's something happening here What it is ain't exactly clear ... or, to put it slightly differently, /Because something is happening here// //But you don’t know what it is// //Do you, Mister Jones?/ Read more: http://www.bobdylan.com/us/songs/ballad-thin-man#ixzz3Jx467zaN -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
I approve of the fork crown. Enthusiastically On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote: The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Did I get that right? the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with more clearance and longer chainstays? Or in other words the bike I've been dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been fantastic??? Please let it be so. -Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I approve of the fork crown. Enthusiastically On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote: The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
dying to see them both now On Saturday, November 22, 2014 1:53:20 PM UTC-6, AaronY wrote: Did I get that right? the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with more clearance and longer chainstays? Or in other words the bike I've been dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been fantastic??? Please let it be so. -Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 9:48 AM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I approve of the fork crown. Enthusiastically On Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:17:46 AM UTC-8, Grant Petersen wrote: The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
The Joe Appaloosa model sounds excellent. Thanks for the description. The description makes me think of the big blue bike that sold at the garage sale last June (to Kurt I believe) and can be seen in a photo in the June 9 Blug entry. Anyway, that alongside Sam sounds like the ideal bike lineup. -Jim W. On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Pause this video at 21 seconds and you'll see the big blue bike I'm talking about: http://vimeo.com/97744269 On Nov 22, 2014, at 2:40 PM, James Warren wrote: The Joe Appaloosa model sounds excellent. Thanks for the description. The description makes me think of the big blue bike that sold at the garage sale last June (to Kurt I believe) and can be seen in a photo in the June 9 Blug entry. Anyway, that alongside Sam sounds like the ideal bike lineup. -Jim W. On Nov 22, 2014, at 9:17 AM, Grant Petersen wrote: The long mystery bikes (we sold ten) of a few years ago got me/us going on LW (long wheelbase) bikes. The ride is really good, but they don't fit in boxes well, for shipping. The dreamy ride of those bikes lead to longer chainstays on other bikes, and ultimately (well, maybe not ULTIMATELY) we got our own long chainstays, made to spec, and now we have more options for other bikes. So...liking the long CS and the LW bikes, in general. In the trade magazine yesterday I read a guy from SRAM likes 27.5 mtn bikes because the smaller than 29er wheel allows shorter chainstays. Missing the point. When the Mystery bike was going to go into production, it was going to be called the Appaloosa, a name suggested by Finn Taylor. I love the name and I love horses, although I've ridden one only once and it was scary. But Appaloosas are special horses---I guess all horses are, but I like the Indian connection to them, and the spots, and the name itself seems stretched out, so fit the bike. Then I/andwe-all-here thought that as good as the bike is, we'd never sell a hundred of them, and that's our minimum for a production run (and generally our maximum, as dictated by cash flow and risk and space to put 'em and dread of nervousness...). But in the meantime we had an Appaloosa headbadge made, and it's really nice, too. So we had badges and no bike and a newfound fondness for long chainstays. Then somebody here broght up the idea of a canti-Sam, kind of like the canti-Romulus man of you know. The Sam is kind of perfect as it is, but cantilvers never wreck a bike and they have a place for sure, so we shifted that way. Then the cantilevers lead to why not a hair more clearance and nudge it toward the Atlantis? And then the long CS came into it all, and so what for a couple of days was going to be a Canti-Sam turned into a long WB canti-Sam, but at that point it's a different bike. (The canti-romulus was exactly a romulus with cantilevers.) We added 5mm to the fork length and upped the wall thickness of the top of the fork blades from 1.0mm to 1.1mm, which is half btw the Sam and the Atlantis... and then went for Appaloosa, which allowed us to use the head badge (we have 120 of them, or something.) But developing means at least one round of samples, and reserving production time at the shop, and then it also would have meant temporarily kicking out the Sam, which---how can we do that to a bike so good, and then also risk not having any bikes to sell in the Spring, something we can't afford, that would truly be a disaster. I think I said this on the Blug. The Clem will have the new wide Hunqa fork crown--flat and normal for us. That bike is also on hold, same reasons. Bill, you can come by and ride the bikes--anybody can. Call to make sure it's there, because sometimes it's not. The graphic above the plate of food in the blug is something else for another bike that will likely happen in mid-2016. If plans change or I get too impatient. On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net - 700x55 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Thanks, Aaron, for helping me confirm that I'm not crazy. I was just saying to myself Wait... don't the Sams *already* have cantis?!I guess that had changed at some point along the line. I hadn't been paying attention only because this model has too much overlap with the ones I already own. But now I'm with you! This certainly sounds like a winner. What's really interesting is that I/we might suddenly have to chose between *TWO* big-clearance 700c / long-chainstay options, where I'd had *no* options thus far?!! Assuming and hoping, that is, that they are offered in those in-between or missing sizes that are excluded from the Atlantis and Hunquapillar lineups. (At 6'-2 and 87cm pbh, I KNOW I can't be the only one in this boat.) I'm also hoping these projects don't take *too* long, though. I was raring to go with the 59cm Clem, thinking it was just a couple of months out. Kind of disappointed that it isn't, but I understand the reasoning. I had been holding off on doing a re-vitalization/rebuild of my Quickbeam to make sure I had funds available, but I guess I'll commit to that project in the meantime. Nice first-world luxury problem to have, I guess. On Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:53:20 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote: Did I get that right? the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with more clearance and longer chainstays? Or in other words the bike I've been dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been fantastic??? Please let it be so. -Aaron Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Well, Keith if you are thinking like me then you just might be crazy after all. :) I just bought an Atlantis because I wanted something that could handle puffier tires than my current Sam. (Btw, I think you are right - originally there were some canti Sams, but later versions have moved away from that.) So having just bought another Riv I don't mind these bikes being away off yet, but they sure sound near perfect to me. At least the long wait will give me some time to adjust my finances... Aaron Young The Dalles, OR On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Aaron, for helping me confirm that I'm not crazy. I was just saying to myself Wait... don't the Sams *already* have cantis?!I guess that had changed at some point along the line. I hadn't been paying attention only because this model has too much overlap with the ones I already own. But now I'm with you! This certainly sounds like a winner. What's really interesting is that I/we might suddenly have to chose between *TWO* big-clearance 700c / long-chainstay options, where I'd had *no* options thus far?!! Assuming and hoping, that is, that they are offered in those in-between or missing sizes that are excluded from the Atlantis and Hunquapillar lineups. (At 6'-2 and 87cm pbh, I KNOW I can't be the only one in this boat.) I'm also hoping these projects don't take *too* long, though. I was raring to go with the 59cm Clem, thinking it was just a couple of months out. Kind of disappointed that it isn't, but I understand the reasoning. I had been holding off on doing a re-vitalization/rebuild of my Quickbeam to make sure I had funds available, but I guess I'll commit to that project in the meantime. Nice first-world luxury problem to have, I guess. On Saturday, November 22, 2014 12:53:20 PM UTC-7, AaronY wrote: Did I get that right? the Appaloosa is planned to be a canti-Sam with more clearance and longer chainstays? Or in other words the bike I've been dreaming of since before buying my first gen green canti-Sam which has been fantastic??? Please let it be so. -Aaron Young The Dalles, OR -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Want! https://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/8023681452 On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Read the current Blug, Bill. It gets even cleared. Grin. With abandon, Patrick -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
So all of our wild rampant speculation was for naught. OTH, the welds on the HAR are stunning, and having the hoop optional is kinda cool. Keeps both the hooped-up the hoop-less happy :-). dougP On Friday, November 21, 2014 3:01:58 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: It looks like the new Hub-Area Rack is available, now with a hoop. Not only that, it appears to be mounted to the front of a Joe Appaloosa. You can see the rings and the tig welds at the headtube. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rmf2b.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Joe Appaloosa sneak peek
Are the Nitto racks tigg'd or fillet brazed? Looking at the close-ups, my admittedly uneduated guess would be fillet brazed. The frame's headtube/top tube junction is clearly tigg'd, though. On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 5:19 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote: [Snippo ...] OTOH, the welds on the HAR are stunning, [Snippo ...] Patrick Moore, who once saw a custom Kellog 650C road bike with such perfect welds that I asked the custom blonde owner if it was fillet brazed ... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
