Re: [RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[Patrick Moore]

You have convinced me!

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 8:03 AM J S  wrote:

> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool
> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but
> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most
> comfortable.
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>
>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads
>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to
>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual
>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>
>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois
>> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist.
>>
>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an
>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as
>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and
>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and
>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>
>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as
>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>
>> --
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I may one day give Andiamos a try, but the discussion
indicates that they're not more comfortable than old Kucharics, so for now
I'll just use up the Kucharics.

One advantage of the Andiamos of course is easier care and feeding, but I
use the Kucharics only occasionally so the hassle isn't great.

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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[J S]

Patrick, I should have mentioned that I’ve used Andiamos padded liners for 
years. I liked the old ones better but the new ones are cheap and the 
company gives good deals, or car least they did with some free liners when 
you reach a certain amount purchased. They do run large, I take a small in 
them. I should be a medium so you can base it on that. The pad itself is 
minimal at best. Good luck. 

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 J S wrote:

> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
> comfortable. 
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>
>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads 
>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to 
>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>
>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
>> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>>
>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>
>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as 
>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[Garth]

Dave, the foam padding flattens out over time. If you or anyone else wants 
no padding at all Andiamo offers two different styles from them directly. 

https://andiamounderwear.com/shop/unisex-skins-unpadded/

https://andiamounderwear.com/shop/mens-sport-brief/


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Re: [RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[John Dewey]

Patrick, you might give a look to the Club Ride liners. I’ve been riding in
these for years now. There are 3 pad thicknesses to choose from, for you
the 1 Hour pad would be perfect. I’ve got a stash of these figuring they
might go away some day. They’re bomb proof. Really well made, light,
stretchy, breathable but not baggy. I’ve been ‘cycling’ between 2 pair
trying to wear them out and I can’t. I’ve finished many delightful long
rides in the one-hour liners, highly recommended!

Best / Jock

On Sat, Jul 8, 2023 at 8:06 AM DavidP  wrote:

> I just received a pair of Andiamos and have had a few rides in them - I
> think they are fine. For reference, I have a couple of other pairs of liner
> shorts even though for most rides regul synthetic  underwear is all I need,
> but for some rides r you they are nice (not to mention on the trainer to
> the  where this is less coasting/standing).
>
> The Andiamos actually have more padding then I expected - not as much as
> some shorts, but I have an old pair of Nashbar branded liner shorts that
> has less and more compliant padding (these seem to not use foam but
> microfleece padding). The Andiamos are fine and I will happily use them but
> I kind of expected something even more minimal.
>
> -Dave
> On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool
>> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but
>> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most
>> comfortable.
>>
>> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>>
>>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads
>>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to
>>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual
>>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>>
>>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real
>>> chamois or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist.
>>>
>>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an
>>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as
>>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and
>>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and
>>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>>
>>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as
>>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Patrick Moore
>>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[DavidP]

I just received a pair of Andiamos and have had a few rides in them - I 
think they are fine. For reference, I have a couple of other pairs of liner 
shorts even though for most rides regular synthetic underwear is all I 
need, but for some rides they are nice (not to mention on the trainer where 
this is less coasting/standing). 

The Andiamos actually have more padding then I expected - not as much as 
some shorts, but I have an old pair of Nashbar branded liner shorts that 
has less and more compliant padding (these seem to not use foam but 
microfleece padding). The Andiamos are fine and I will happily use them but 
I kind of expected something even more minimal.

-Dave
On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 10:02:59 AM UTC-4 jrst...@gmail.com wrote:

> Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
> shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
> without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
> comfortable. 
>
> On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>>
>> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads 
>> over 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to 
>> wear something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
>> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>>
>> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
>> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>>
>> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
>> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
>> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
>> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
>> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>>
>> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as 
>> comfortable under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ---
>> Patrick Moore
>> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[J S]

Patrick, I’ve never worn anything more comfortable than Kucharik wool 
shorts. I had my time with synthetic skin tight shorts and bib shorts but 
without high pads and while ok the Kucharik were still the most 
comfortable. 

On Friday, July 7, 2023 at 7:59:02 PM UTC-4 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I was just perusing the new Riv email update and saw Andiamos.
>
> I gave up nastily clinging lycra shorts with nasty, bulky pillow pads over 
> 20 years ago, but when I ride over 30 miles I do sometimes like to wear 
> something a bit more bunch, crease, and chafe resistant than my usual 
> oversized nylon boxers under street shorts or Rapha Randonee shorts.
>
> I've hoarded about 3 pairs of nice Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois 
> or -- for one pair -- a synthetic that is also minimalist. 
>
> But I'd rather have something synthetic for ease of laundering and an 
> undergarment that can be worn under any decent pair of shorts, as long as 
> it serves as well the basic purpose of bike shorts: prevent bunching and 
> chafing. Again, I'm not interested in padding; I chose the right saddle and 
> I have it and bar positioned properly.
>
> So, those of you with relevant experience, will Andiamos be as comfortable 
> under Rapha touring shorts as wool Kuchariks with chamois?
>
> -- 
>
> ---
> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I love Andiamos and recommend you give them a try to learn for yourself.

On Saturday, July 8, 2023 at 6:36:39 AM UTC-5 Garth wrote:

> I've had multiple pairs of the briefs for 20 some years and I best sum it 
> up like this, if you are not prone to chafing issues you won't get any from 
> the Andiamo's. If you are prone to them, they likely won't make any 
> difference. I've always bought from and dealt with Andiamo directly. I had 
> some fit/sizing issued once for which they remedied beyond my wildest 
> expectations. I see they still offer complimentary shipping over $45, or $5 
> flat rate below. 
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Kucharik wool shorts with real chamois or Andiamos under street shorts

[Garth]

I've had multiple pairs of the briefs for 20 some years and I best sum it 
up like this, if you are not prone to chafing issues you won't get any from 
the Andiamo's. If you are prone to them, they likely won't make any 
difference. I've always bought from and dealt with Andiamo directly. I had 
some fit/sizing issued once for which they remedied beyond my wildest 
expectations. I see they still offer complimentary shipping over $45, or $5 
flat rate below. 


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