[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Very cool, Amit! I tried something similar with my dad but his arthritic knees made cycling painful for him. At least we can still drink beers and shoot skeet together...B-) Steve, semi-reformed hillbilly, son of an un-reformed one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/rNnmgVJZENkJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Amit, Sounds like all of us agree you should snap up the Saluki, now on to the more complex question of motivating your 70 year old Dad. I'm closing in on 67 and have spent a good chunk of the last decade motivating my wife (64) to ride more with me. So I can write from experience. As we age, no matter how well we stay active and in shape, we begin to loose power and speed. There's good biological explanations for this but that would be a lengthy digression. We can hold onto endurance a bit later in life but eventually that will also begin to wane. And, perhaps most importantly, our recovery time increases significantly. Ten years ago I could ride five days a week, finishing up with a century and a couple of mountain passes. Now I find that trying to ride three days in a row overloads my body, and four hours of riding is all that I really enjoy doing. With my wife, the most important rule I follow is never to leave her feeling stiff, sore, and exhausted. She will likely remember that feeling more than the joy she felt during the ride. As a result she has gradually increased her riding strength from 15 to 50 mile trips. She is vertically challenged so I usually try to avoid any really long mountain climbs (that in itself is a challenge in Vermont!) and when we do go up hill I use the Canadian Goose method - I honk and cheer her all the way to the top. But if she does need to stop and walk; I do too. Her bike is outfitted with BE shifters, because they are the most ergonomic choice. You move the shifter in the same direction as the chain, and the brain seems to catch on to that pretty quickly. She also has pretty low gearing, (46/36/26 mated to a 13-27 7 spd freewheel) since she is not comfortable really screaming downhill. I have also worked with her on riding technique, but gently, and pretty much only one thing at a time, to avoid sounding like a nag. After she learned shifting, we started working on riding downhill more aggressively so that she would have more momentum going into the next inevitable Vt uphill. After she mastered that we began working to get her to spin smaller gears faster. That took a long time but this year she is much better at it and we are beginning to talk about improving her cornering. I also claim that riding with my wife is like riding with Lance Armstrong! Lance says my tires are soft and someone rushes to put air in them; Lance says, my brake is rubbing, and some one rushes to adjust them! But I would bet your dad would not like that kind of treatment; we men have such fragile egos! So you probably need to be extra cautious giving advice or offering help. I have been riding with my two children (now in their late 30s) and still consider it the best. Fortunately they can remember all the years I waited for them on hikes bike rides and now do the same for me, with real grace. Oh and BTW, last year we bought a tandem and now it's pretty much all Pat wants to ride. michael, take care of Self; it's one of a kind and irreplaceable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oWU4xR5J9ZsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Thanks for all of the positive encouragement friends! I'm trying to get dad's and my schedule to align to ride the Shoreline West Bicycle Tour along the coast of Lake Michigan ... 2 tickets recently became available (stars are aligning!) and I think it would be a beautiful way to start. 40 - 60 miles a day with some of the most awesome scenery, I'm excited and hope it happens. Now I'm thinking of saddles and setup. The Raleigh currently has a Brooks B68 unsprung saddle with Alba bars which he finds very comfortable. He hasn't tried the B17 for more than 4 minutes but loudly exclaimed that made my butt hurt! and hopped off :) It may have not been adjusted properly. So here are some thoughts: B-17 - keeps it traditional, it's a great saddle, although I've recently been experiencing some unequal sit-bone sagging with my own ... but I ride a ton and weigh 220ish ... so maybe that's to be expected. The honey would look great. Dad weighs a buck and a half. Berthoud - flatter, the cork is a sexy color, but wicked expensive and do I really want to get into buying berthoud luggage to go with this bike? ... I have enough luggage already ... so maybe not. then again, there's the oooh, berthoud! factor. hrm. and I've read great reviews of its comfortability. eh ... pass. B-68 - with 40 years of beausage. dad likes this and finds it comfortable, although we haven't really talked about it. mostly, he just hasn't complained at all! we probably should discuss what he thinks is comfortable and what isn't. i'll plan for that conversation tonight. Perhaps I'll pull it off of the Raleigh just for a trial on the Saluki. I'll probably end up doing this just to see if he likes it ... B-67 - Sprung saddle, same as B-68, just with springs - this monster of a saddle is heavy, but what does a few pounds more it really matter as long as the rider is comfortable? I have this on my Bomba right now, and it still looks new (okay, really minor sit bone indents). I'll end up mounting this before the B68, probably. Writing my thoughts down has helped - I think the most important thing is talking with dad about saddle fit and understanding where he's comfortable. My hunch is that we'll go with a new B-17 and try it for a few days to make sure it's properly adjusted and hitting his sit-bones correctly. If we're doing the Shoreline, we'll probably get a few pairs of riding shorts and jerseys for him to stay comfortable in. The Rapha Bib shorts are fantastic - 12 or more hours in the saddle and ZERO problems. I haven't tried Ibex or Andiamo ... hrm. Riv clothing is right in with Dad's style, so we'll probably order a few pairs of MUSA and some wool shirts from the RBW. And shoes ... I haven't tried the Keens but have read great things from all of you. Keen commuters, I'm thinking, with MKS Touring pedals, yeah? The Denver Canvas and Coronado models look way better and provide full foot coverage. And then there are Addidas Sambas. Hrm. I suppose it depends on what he wants - clip in or not - and the style he most prefers. Dad is totally not into shopping ... This is going to be a challenge! What else, Helmet. Bell is what fits me well, I'll suggest the same to him. I think that's got it covered for now. Thanks again for reading my thoughts of randomness. This feels like a blog entry. Maybe I should start one of those. Hrm. Amit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/v7TxnB1n-D4J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
I love the Riding with Lance advice! On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:26 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote: Amit, Sounds like all of us agree you should snap up the Saluki, now on to the more complex question of motivating your 70 year old Dad. I'm closing in on 67 and have spent a good chunk of the last decade motivating my wife (64) to ride more with me. So I can write from experience. As we age, no matter how well we stay active and in shape, we begin to loose power and speed. There's good biological explanations for this but that would be a lengthy digression. We can hold onto endurance a bit later in life but eventually that will also begin to wane. And, perhaps most importantly, our recovery time increases significantly. Ten years ago I could ride five days a week, finishing up with a century and a couple of mountain passes. Now I find that trying to ride three days in a row overloads my body, and four hours of riding is all that I really enjoy doing. With my wife, the most important rule I follow is never to leave her feeling stiff, sore, and exhausted. She will likely remember that feeling more than the joy she felt during the ride. As a result she has gradually increased her riding strength from 15 to 50 mile trips. She is vertically challenged so I usually try to avoid any really long mountain climbs (that in itself is a challenge in Vermont!) and when we do go up hill I use the Canadian Goose method - I honk and cheer her all the way to the top. But if she does need to stop and walk; I do too. Her bike is outfitted with BE shifters, because they are the most ergonomic choice. You move the shifter in the same direction as the chain, and the brain seems to catch on to that pretty quickly. She also has pretty low gearing, (46/36/26 mated to a 13-27 7 spd freewheel) since she is not comfortable really screaming downhill. I have also worked with her on riding technique, but gently, and pretty much only one thing at a time, to avoid sounding like a nag. After she learned shifting, we started working on riding downhill more aggressively so that she would have more momentum going into the next inevitable Vt uphill. After she mastered that we began working to get her to spin smaller gears faster. That took a long time but this year she is much better at it and we are beginning to talk about improving her cornering. I also claim that riding with my wife is like riding with Lance Armstrong! Lance says my tires are soft and someone rushes to put air in them; Lance says, my brake is rubbing, and some one rushes to adjust them! But I would bet your dad would not like that kind of treatment; we men have such fragile egos! So you probably need to be extra cautious giving advice or offering help. I have been riding with my two children (now in their late 30s) and still consider it the best. Fortunately they can remember all the years I waited for them on hikes bike rides and now do the same for me, with real grace. Oh and BTW, last year we bought a tandem and now it's pretty much all Pat wants to ride. michael, take care of Self; it's one of a kind and irreplaceable -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/oWU4xR5J9ZsJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
You won't want to be introducing your dad to a new saddle before a big ride. No complaints is hard to come by with bike seats; roll with it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/HvjwRBcbHJAJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Leslie writes: The bike itself is a *wonderful* gift, and the trips with you would be a wonderful gift for him too; but, I would not want to see you sad if he'd rather stick to your already-established format, instead of the longer jaunts... I am really pleased to be a part of this list where the overwhelming attitude is one of support and encouragement for each other, and I think Leslie's suggestion is absolutely right on target. I lost my dad this past April, and I miss him every day. He was a WWII veteran with 24 bombing missions aboard a B17 Flying Fortress to his credit. Toward the end he was wheelchair bound - a man who had hunted, fished, flown airplanes, ridden horses, roped cattle, and played golf almost all his life - and my last visit with him was spent with him smoking cigars and petting a stray cat on the front porch of the verterans home where he spent his last days. It was what he enjoyed, and I wouldn't trade my memory of that day for anything. So buy the bike, let your Dad's wishes guide you, and spend as much time with him as you can. Best of luck. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Amit, I've been riding the same B17 for about 10 years, so it's well broken in. I just got a berthoud, and while it sure looks nice, i find the B17 a little more comfortable (most likely due to the break-in i'm still doing on the berthoud), outside of that they are pretty similiar saddles, time will tell about durability but on price alone i don't see the advantages of the berthoud (at least my butt does not). i find the flatter top actually a little harder to grip/stay on. i also have a brooks flyer which is the b17 with springs and that feels similiar in the seat. if your dad likes his broken in b68 just go with that, but make sure you do a few long practice rides as a too squishy seat might not provide enough support on long rides. On Jul 28, 8:29 am, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for all of the positive encouragement friends! I'm trying to get dad's and my schedule to align to ride the Shoreline West Bicycle Tour along the coast of Lake Michigan ... 2 tickets recently became available (stars are aligning!) and I think it would be a beautiful way to start. 40 - 60 miles a day with some of the most awesome scenery, I'm excited and hope it happens. Now I'm thinking of saddles and setup. The Raleigh currently has a Brooks B68 unsprung saddle with Alba bars which he finds very comfortable. He hasn't tried the B17 for more than 4 minutes but loudly exclaimed that made my butt hurt! and hopped off :) It may have not been adjusted properly. So here are some thoughts: B-17 - keeps it traditional, it's a great saddle, although I've recently been experiencing some unequal sit-bone sagging with my own ... but I ride a ton and weigh 220ish ... so maybe that's to be expected. The honey would look great. Dad weighs a buck and a half. Berthoud - flatter, the cork is a sexy color, but wicked expensive and do I really want to get into buying berthoud luggage to go with this bike? ... I have enough luggage already ... so maybe not. then again, there's the oooh, berthoud! factor. hrm. and I've read great reviews of its comfortability. eh ... pass. B-68 - with 40 years of beausage. dad likes this and finds it comfortable, although we haven't really talked about it. mostly, he just hasn't complained at all! we probably should discuss what he thinks is comfortable and what isn't. i'll plan for that conversation tonight. Perhaps I'll pull it off of the Raleigh just for a trial on the Saluki. I'll probably end up doing this just to see if he likes it ... B-67 - Sprung saddle, same as B-68, just with springs - this monster of a saddle is heavy, but what does a few pounds more it really matter as long as the rider is comfortable? I have this on my Bomba right now, and it still looks new (okay, really minor sit bone indents). I'll end up mounting this before the B68, probably. Writing my thoughts down has helped - I think the most important thing is talking with dad about saddle fit and understanding where he's comfortable. My hunch is that we'll go with a new B-17 and try it for a few days to make sure it's properly adjusted and hitting his sit-bones correctly. If we're doing the Shoreline, we'll probably get a few pairs of riding shorts and jerseys for him to stay comfortable in. The Rapha Bib shorts are fantastic - 12 or more hours in the saddle and ZERO problems. I haven't tried Ibex or Andiamo ... hrm. Riv clothing is right in with Dad's style, so we'll probably order a few pairs of MUSA and some wool shirts from the RBW. And shoes ... I haven't tried the Keens but have read great things from all of you. Keen commuters, I'm thinking, with MKS Touring pedals, yeah? The Denver Canvas and Coronado models look way better and provide full foot coverage. And then there are Addidas Sambas. Hrm. I suppose it depends on what he wants - clip in or not - and the style he most prefers. Dad is totally not into shopping ... This is going to be a challenge! What else, Helmet. Bell is what fits me well, I'll suggest the same to him. I think that's got it covered for now. Thanks again for reading my thoughts of randomness. This feels like a blog entry. Maybe I should start one of those. Hrm. Amit -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
On Thu, Jul 28, 2011 at 5:29 AM, Amit Singh asd...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to get dad's and my schedule to align to ride the Shoreline West Bicycle Tour along the coast of Lake Michigan ... 2 tickets recently became available (stars are aligning!) and I think it would be a beautiful way to start. 40 - 60 miles a day with some of the most awesome scenery, I'm excited and hope it happens. Wow, the Shoreline West tour looks like a lot of fun. But, y'know, is that the right thing for your dad right now? For a lot of us, a tour with 40-60 miles a day, rolling with a bit of steep climbing, is the sort of thing we could do on a whim. I know I could start such a tour tomorrow, and the only issue would be whether I needed to do laundry before packing up my things. But for a less experienced rider, a tour like that is pretty formidable! Maybe you might think about starting with something less ambitious. You want to keep it fun, and avoid any kind of pressure at all. You don't want to even have a hint of a notion of an idea that your generous present comes with strings attached -- -- Anne Paulson My hovercraft is full of eels -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
geez, what a great post. personally i'd grab that saluki (full disclosure: i love 650B). you're not gonna find a value like that again, and i'm sure your friend considers it a fair price. if you feel a twinge of guilt, offer him a little bit more cash. either bike would be perfect for your dad, assuming they fit him. but why not take your friend up on the offer to borrow the saluki and see what your dad thinks? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/eAHQHJ_Mi2EJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Get that Saluki right away. I like the Hillborne alot but those straight TT Rivendell's are fantastic looking!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/qVZM-5HQls8J. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Yep, if he's comfortable selling for that price, snap it up. Let your dad ride it for a while, and if he doesn't get into it, offer to sell it back. The worst that could happen is your dad doesn't want it; your friend doesn't want it back; and you sell it for a profit to one of us deep-pocketed idiots! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/320AoymNxqEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Saluki,Saluki,Saluki!!! The magic carpet ride w. Hetres. The sweet spot in wheel size. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/7BDJBJfICDEJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Okay, bias time here - own an early Hillborne and my one 650B experience was not good. So my recommendation? Saluki. A beautiful bike. And as you say, it stays in the family. Do it. If you feel guilt later, you can get the Hillborne. You probably won't find another Saluki anytime soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 27, 7:02 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Saluki,Saluki,Saluki!!! The magic carpet ride w. Hetres. The sweet spot in wheel size. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, bias time here - own an early Hillborne and my one 650B experience was not good. So my recommendation? Saluki. A beautiful bike. And as you say, it stays in the family. Do it. If you feel guilt later, you can get the Hillborne. You probably won't find another Saluki anytime soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 27, 7:02 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Saluki,Saluki,Saluki!!! The magic carpet ride w. Hetres. The sweet spot in wheel size. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
The Saluki is one special bike. There's a reason you don't see them cropping up on the used market. It is a very good deal, but not the deal of the century, so don't feel guilty about it. Hope it works out and that your father is able to put many miles on it! On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:28 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Jul 27, 2011 at 6:13 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Okay, bias time here - own an early Hillborne and my one 650B experience was not good. So my recommendation? Saluki. A beautiful bike. And as you say, it stays in the family. Do it. If you feel guilt later, you can get the Hillborne. You probably won't find another Saluki anytime soon. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Jul 27, 7:02 pm, hobie moho1...@yahoo.com wrote: Saluki,Saluki,Saluki!!! The magic carpet ride w. Hetres. The sweet spot in wheel size. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
Here's hoping that this will be my son and I in 20 years!!! Congratulations on what you're doing and like everyone else said, get the Saluki! René -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: Need your advice -- was thinking of getting a Sam Hillborne for Dad
What dad doesn't want to go on a bike ride with his kid? Maybe try borrowing a bike and going on a pedal adventure or 2 with dad. Then judge if he's into it enough to justify the expense of buying a bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/rbw-owners-bunch/-/OO7knEs9x-IJ. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
