[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[J S]

If I listened to rivendell on what size stem to use it would quite a bit 
longer. I opted fot a shorter stem and that works for me. Maybe you should 
call Rivendell to see that the stem length was on the bike you ride, then 
go down a smidge on a 60 to bring the bars closer. I think I use an 8cm 
stem on my Hillborne, the folks at Riv suggested at least am 11. I know my 
body. Good luck. 
On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 10:55:25 PM UTC-4 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures and stating the saddle hight! Super helpful. 
> With my saddle hight being 79 or 80 that's more post than I want. Feeling 
> good about buying the 60cm as well. 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 5:54:31 p.m. UTC-6 David B wrote:
>
>> I did end up going back to the Riv shop last week to test ride a few more 
>> bikes and nail down my size. Everyone I've talked to at the shop is in 
>> consensus that the 60 Hillborne is the best fit for me, and I'd say I 
>> definitely agree with them. I test rode a 57 Hillborne and 64 Homer, both 
>> set up with swept bars.
>>
>> Here is what the 57 Hillborne looked like with a saddle height of 82cm. 
>> It felt a lot smaller than I remembered. 
>> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>>
>> Here is what the 64 Homer looked like with the same saddle height. I was 
>> really comfortable in this setup, but I had zero standover clearance and I 
>> don't think drop bars would have worked as well.
>> [image: IMG_3383.JPG]
>>
>> I can't say for sure whether the 60 Hillborne will be a perfect fit, but 
>> out of the sizes available, it definitely seems like the best option for my 
>> PBH and height. I ended up ordering a size 60 frameset and will report back 
>> with an update when I finish building it up.
>> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 2:53:40 PM UTC-7 gre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Please report back when you get your new sam or the chance to ride the 
>>> different sizes. I am wanting to get a sam for a dedicated drop bar rando 
>>> bike. I am  6'1" PBH 90 and my 60cm Appaloosa fits just how I like with a 
>>> wavy style handlebar. I'm thinking about buying a 60cm SH from my local 
>>> shop but a little concerned about it being big for me using drops. Would 
>>> love to hear about your experience.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:59:10 p.m. UTC-6 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 David,

 You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one 
 out on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding 
 conditions right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with 
 billie/alba, but might be worth calling them first before making the 
 appointment.

 Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts 
> the 
> bars too far below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for 
> daily commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd 
> also 
> like to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes 
> and get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based 
> on 
> the Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They 
> didn't have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a 
> couple 
> of 61.5 Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho 
>bars) and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty 
> high 
>to get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - 
> there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we 
> didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked 
> with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter 
> top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar 

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Tom]

I'm 6' tall with a 89.5 PBH.  Someone here posted that, if on the fence 
size-wise, they usually size down for a drop bar setup and size up for a 
swept-back bar setup.  That is also my experience.  

For those close to my height and PBH, the following list of Rivs, sizes, 
and bar setups has worked for me.  I'll happy to answer any questions you 
may have about them:
- 58 Sam: drop (Noodle -- best) & swept (Albatross -- a little cramped)
- 59 Clem H: swept (Albatross, Jones, Bullmoose, Losco)
- 61 Roadini: drop (stretching it, 5cm stem) & swept (Albatross (regular & 
inverted), Jitensha, Ahearne+Map, Wavie)
- 61.5 Homer: swept (Albatross, Jitensha, Wavie, Ahearne+Map)
- 62 Saluki: swept (Wavie, Albatross?, Ahearne+Map)
- 62 SimpleOne: swept (Albatross (regular & inverted))
- 62 Sam: swept (Albatross, Jitensha)
- 64 Atlantis - Toyo:  swept (Ahearne+Map, Albatross)

Currently I only own the 62 Sam and the 59 Clem H (and an unbuilt 58 Hunq) 
in swept bar config's.  Because I wanted something that would comfortably 
accommodate a drop bar (Noodle or a B135 Grand Raundoneur), and knowing I 
could play with stem length and dial it in, I put my name on one of the new 
57 Sam's...which has a similar-enough geo to the previous 58 Sam with a 
Noodle bar I used to own.
On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 10:55:25 PM UTC-4 gre...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thank you for the pictures and stating the saddle hight! Super helpful. 
> With my saddle hight being 79 or 80 that's more post than I want. Feeling 
> good about buying the 60cm as well. 
>
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 5:54:31 p.m. UTC-6 David B wrote:
>
>> I did end up going back to the Riv shop last week to test ride a few more 
>> bikes and nail down my size. Everyone I've talked to at the shop is in 
>> consensus that the 60 Hillborne is the best fit for me, and I'd say I 
>> definitely agree with them. I test rode a 57 Hillborne and 64 Homer, both 
>> set up with swept bars.
>>
>> Here is what the 57 Hillborne looked like with a saddle height of 82cm. 
>> It felt a lot smaller than I remembered. 
>> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>>
>> Here is what the 64 Homer looked like with the same saddle height. I was 
>> really comfortable in this setup, but I had zero standover clearance and I 
>> don't think drop bars would have worked as well.
>> [image: IMG_3383.JPG]
>>
>> I can't say for sure whether the 60 Hillborne will be a perfect fit, but 
>> out of the sizes available, it definitely seems like the best option for my 
>> PBH and height. I ended up ordering a size 60 frameset and will report back 
>> with an update when I finish building it up.
>> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 2:53:40 PM UTC-7 gre...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Please report back when you get your new sam or the chance to ride the 
>>> different sizes. I am wanting to get a sam for a dedicated drop bar rando 
>>> bike. I am  6'1" PBH 90 and my 60cm Appaloosa fits just how I like with a 
>>> wavy style handlebar. I'm thinking about buying a 60cm SH from my local 
>>> shop but a little concerned about it being big for me using drops. Would 
>>> love to hear about your experience.
>>>
>>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:59:10 p.m. UTC-6 Collin A wrote:
>>>
 David,

 You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one 
 out on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding 
 conditions right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with 
 billie/alba, but might be worth calling them first before making the 
 appointment.

 Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.

 On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts 
> the 
> bars too far below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for 
> daily commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd 
> also 
> like to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes 
> and get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based 
> on 
> the Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They 
> didn't have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a 
> couple 
> of 61.5 Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho 
>bars) and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty 
> high 
>to get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top 

[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Grady Wright]

Thank you for the pictures and stating the saddle hight! Super helpful. 
With my saddle hight being 79 or 80 that's more post than I want. Feeling 
good about buying the 60cm as well. 

On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 5:54:31 p.m. UTC-6 David B wrote:

> I did end up going back to the Riv shop last week to test ride a few more 
> bikes and nail down my size. Everyone I've talked to at the shop is in 
> consensus that the 60 Hillborne is the best fit for me, and I'd say I 
> definitely agree with them. I test rode a 57 Hillborne and 64 Homer, both 
> set up with swept bars.
>
> Here is what the 57 Hillborne looked like with a saddle height of 82cm. It 
> felt a lot smaller than I remembered. 
> [image: unnamed.jpg]
>
> Here is what the 64 Homer looked like with the same saddle height. I was 
> really comfortable in this setup, but I had zero standover clearance and I 
> don't think drop bars would have worked as well.
> [image: IMG_3383.JPG]
>
> I can't say for sure whether the 60 Hillborne will be a perfect fit, but 
> out of the sizes available, it definitely seems like the best option for my 
> PBH and height. I ended up ordering a size 60 frameset and will report back 
> with an update when I finish building it up.
> On Monday, May 20, 2024 at 2:53:40 PM UTC-7 gre...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Please report back when you get your new sam or the chance to ride the 
>> different sizes. I am wanting to get a sam for a dedicated drop bar rando 
>> bike. I am  6'1" PBH 90 and my 60cm Appaloosa fits just how I like with a 
>> wavy style handlebar. I'm thinking about buying a 60cm SH from my local 
>> shop but a little concerned about it being big for me using drops. Would 
>> love to hear about your experience.
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:59:10 p.m. UTC-6 Collin A wrote:
>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one 
>>> out on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding 
>>> conditions right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with 
>>> billie/alba, but might be worth calling them first before making the 
>>> appointment.
>>>
>>> Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.
>>>
>>> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>>>
 Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
 Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
 Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
 Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts 
 the 
 bars too far below my saddle.

 I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
 commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
 to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.

 I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes 
 and get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on 
 the Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They 
 didn't have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple 
 of 61.5 Homers with different cockpit setups. 

- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho 
bars) and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty 
 high 
to get the saddle in a good position.
- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - 
 there 
was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
 bike 
belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with 
 a 
lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.

 I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
 guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter 
 top 
 tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
 which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 

 Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
 sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or 
 better 
 yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
 let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
 some other beverage as a thank you!

 David
 Berkeley, CA

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Grady Wright]

Please report back when you get your new sam or the chance to ride the 
different sizes. I am wanting to get a sam for a dedicated drop bar rando 
bike. I am  6'1" PBH 90 and my 60cm Appaloosa fits just how I like with a 
wavy style handlebar. I'm thinking about buying a 60cm SH from my local 
shop but a little concerned about it being big for me using drops. Would 
love to hear about your experience.

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:59:10 p.m. UTC-6 Collin A wrote:

> David,
>
> You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one out 
> on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding conditions 
> right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with billie/alba, but might 
> be worth calling them first before making the appointment.
>
> Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.
>
> On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Collin A]

David,

You are in Berkeley, you should BART over to RIv World HQ and test one out 
on the local loop up in shell ridge (its dry and perfect riding conditions 
right now!). Last I remember there is a 57 demo with billie/alba, but might 
be worth calling them first before making the appointment.

Collin, also in Berkeley, but with an 81cm PBH.

On Sunday, May 5, 2024 at 11:06:45 PM UTC-7 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Ryan Bolesta]

Hi David,

I am 6'1 with a 91cm PBH and ride a 60cm Sam from the most recent batch 
from 2022.

Overall I'm pretty happy with the size, but can't help but think about how 
I'd feel in the 57cm. I've never felt "uncomfortable" on the bike, it's 
definitely the comfiest bike I've ever owned, but it does feel a little bit 
too big at times.

The two handlebar configurations I've had:

*Albatross with a 100mm stem:* This felt really good with my hands on the 
grips, but I always felt way too stretched out when using the hooks on the 
front of the bar. I probably could have swapped to a shorter stem if I was 
still using this configuration.

*Nitto M137 (Drop Bar) with a 60mm stem*: This is my current setup, and 
while it isn't bad, it isn't the most ideal either. I switched to drops as 
I started doing more off-road descents in the area and wanted more hand 
positions with access to the brake levers. I find it uncomfortable when 
having my hands in the drops or hoods for any extended period of time. I'm 
typically resting my hands right before the hoods (the "ramps" or "corners" 
is maybe what this means in drop-bar speak) or on the tops next to the 
stem.  I've also done a little bit of finagling to shift the hoods closer 
to my hands at the expense of having the brake levers a bit further away 
from my hands when in the drops.

I don't think either setup was bad, just not ideal. The drop bar setup I 
currently have has been used on several loaded bikepacking trips, and 
countless 20-60 mile gravel rides in Colorado with huge elevation changes, 
and I've never once felt like I was in significant pain from the bike 
(other than my Brooks B17, which I feel hopeless in breaking it in), which 
makes me think that I can fix some of these issues with minor adjustments 
or a different drop bar. 

I can't offer any perspectives on the 57cm Sam, since I've never ridden 
one. Also, the two bars I've ran are not as swept back as other Riv 
offerings. I think there are plenty of bar/stem combos I've yet to try 
which would be perfect for my frame size. Overall I love the bike, and love 
the versatility. I originally built the bike to be my commuter and 
all-rounder, and have since transitioned it into a more-than-capable gravel 
bike (that I tend to underbike into some chunkier singletrack by accident 
at times) with a simple bar swap and adding wider knobbier tires. 

When you rode the 61.5 Homer with the Billie bars, did you try other hand 
positions than the grips?

Hope this helps!

Ryan
Boulder, CO



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:06:45 AM UTC-6 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[David B]

Thank you for the responses, everyone. I'm leaning towards getting a size 
60 based on all of the feedback. I do envision running the Hillborne mostly 
with flat or swept bars, and so it makes sense to prioritize that with the 
sizing.

Andrew, your observation comparing the stack and reach of the two sizes is 
really helpful. I'm thinking the added reach/effective top tube length is 
small enough that I could compensate for it with a shorter stem length.

Really appreciate all of your help. Would still love to test ride a 57 or 
60 if anyone in the East Bay has one.

David
Berkeley, CA
On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 12:52:17 PM UTC-7 awen...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for you: 
> https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236
> ,
>
> The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
> reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
> maybe the 60 would work better for you.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Andrew
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[awen...@gmail.com]

Hi David,

Bike Insights can compare these two sizes side-by-side for 
you: 
https://bikeinsights.com/compare?geometries=638a1581423463001c996235,638a1581423463001c996236,

The 60cm Sam is 30mm taller in stack than the 57, but only 5mm longer in 
reach. If you had to raise the saddle and bars by a lot on the 57, then 
maybe the 60 would work better for you.

Hope this helps,
Andrew

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Bones]

I’m 6’1 with a 91 PBH. My 60 Appaloosa fits perfectly with swept back bars. 
I had a 61.5 Homer (newer one, for which the top tube is really long) and 
it was way too much reach for drops for me (long legs, short torso, not 
particularly flexible). I replaced the 61.5 Homer with a 58 and the fit is 
perfect with 48cm noodles and a 7cm Tallux. I also have a 61 Roadini which 
fits well, but there is almost too much stack, as there is not much stem 
showing. I guess to summarize, it’s not always easy to find a bike in 
Rivs’s lineup that can accommodate both swept back bars and drops 
interchangeably. If you’re cool with drops on a stubby stem and less 
standover, size up. If you’re cool with swept backs on a long stem and more 
seatpost showing, size down. 

Bones

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 8:36:03 AM UTC-4 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I find Rivendells sizing based on PBH to oversimplify getting a good bike 
> fit. They are very smart but they also have their preferences and I think 
> most of the time their suggestions lean on that preference more than it 
> should. The smaller size will be way easier to fit with drops if you really 
> think that will be something you want to do. I agree that you "could" make 
> a larger one work too but IMO its easier to get a sweptback setup to work 
> on a smaller frame than it is to get a dropdown setup to work on a frame 
> thats a touch big. If it were me and I rode a 57 and was comfortable on it 
> with sweptback bars then I would go for that one. BUT the best situation is 
> to find a 60 and give it a ride.
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:56:00 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:
>
>> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
>> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
>> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
>> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
>> short stem. 
>>
>> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
>> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
>> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
>> for my situation. 
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>>
>>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>>
>>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>>
>>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes 
>>> and get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on 
>>> the Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They 
>>> didn't have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple 
>>> of 61.5 Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>>
>>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho 
>>>bars) and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty 
>>> high 
>>>to get the saddle in a good position.
>>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - 
>>> there 
>>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>>> bike 
>>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with 
>>> a 
>>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>>
>>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>>
>>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>>
>>> David
>>> Berkeley, CA
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Johnny Alien]

I find Rivendells sizing based on PBH to oversimplify getting a good bike 
fit. They are very smart but they also have their preferences and I think 
most of the time their suggestions lean on that preference more than it 
should. The smaller size will be way easier to fit with drops if you really 
think that will be something you want to do. I agree that you "could" make 
a larger one work too but IMO its easier to get a sweptback setup to work 
on a smaller frame than it is to get a dropdown setup to work on a frame 
thats a touch big. If it were me and I rode a 57 and was comfortable on it 
with sweptback bars then I would go for that one. BUT the best situation is 
to find a 60 and give it a ride.

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 7:56:00 AM UTC-4 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Stephen]

For your reference I’m about 6’1 with a 92 pbh and i ride a 60 appaloosa 
w/swept backs, and would not want to go smaller. However i have no interest 
in putting drops on that bike, I’m guessing sam might have a slightly 
shorter top tube than Joe. hesitant to tell you what you should do, 
hopefully someone has something you can test ride. 

On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 4:56:00 AM UTC-7 Tim Bantham wrote:

> My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride 
> with swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. 
> Based on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If 
> someday you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a 
> short stem. 
>
> My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I 
> sized down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar 
> road bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach 
> for my situation. 
>
>
>
> On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:
>
>> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam 
>> Hillborne frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first 
>> Rivendell. I decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross 
>> Check, which has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the 
>> bars too far below my saddle.
>>
>> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
>> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
>> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>>
>> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
>> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
>> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
>> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
>> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>>
>>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>>get the saddle in a good position.
>>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
>> bike 
>>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>>
>> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
>> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
>> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
>> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>>
>> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
>> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
>> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
>> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
>> some other beverage as a thank you!
>>
>> David
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne sizing advice

[Tim Bantham]

My recommendation is to go with the 60 Sam.  You said you want to ride with 
swept back bars and use it for mostly commuting and general riding. Based 
on your described use case I'd say go with the 60 all day long. If someday 
you want to ride the Sam with drops you could still do so with a short 
stem. 

My PBH is 93.5. I ride a 62 Sam and a 58 MIT Homer. The only reason I sized 
down was because my focus for the Homer was going to be a drop bar road 
bike for sporty riding. The 61.5 Homer would have been too much reach for 
my situation. 



On Monday, May 6, 2024 at 2:06:45 AM UTC-4 David B wrote:

> Hey all, first time posting here. I'm planning on grabbing a Sam Hillborne 
> frameset when they go on sale this month. It'll be my first Rivendell. I 
> decided on the Hillborne as a replacement for my 56cm Cross Check, which 
> has never been comfortable for me. The short headtube puts the bars too far 
> below my saddle.
>
> I have a pair of Billie bars I'd like to put on the Hillborne for daily 
> commuting, grocery getting, and some light off road riding. I'd also like 
> to have the option to use drop bars at some point down the line.
>
> I went to the Rivendell shop a few weeks ago to test ride a few bikes and 
> get sized. I'm 6' with a 92 PBH (long legs, short torso), and based on the 
> Sam geo chart, my PBH puts me firmly in the size 60 Sam range. They didn't 
> have a 60 Hillborne around, so I instead rode a 57 Sam and a couple of 61.5 
> Homers with different cockpit setups. 
>
>- The 57 Sam was set up with wide, swept back bars (Ron's Ortho bars) 
>and was comfortable. We did have to raise the seatpost up pretty high to 
>get the saddle in a good position.
>- The first 61.5 Homer was set up with Billie bars and was also 
>comfortable. The saddle was pretty close to the top tube, however - there 
>was maybe a little less than a fistful of seatpost showing.
>- The second 61.5 Homer with drops made me feel a little stretched 
>out. The saddle was raised up higher than ideal for my height, but the 
> bike 
>belonged to a staff member who wasn't around that day, and so we didn't 
>adjust the saddle position. Part of me thinks it might have worked with a 
>lower saddle, shorter stem, and higher bars, but I'm not totally sure.
>
> I left feeling like a 60 Sam would work for me, but I'm now second 
> guessing whether it makes more sense to go down to the 57 for a shorter top 
> tube length. However, the size 57 Sam has a suggested PBH range of 86-89, 
> which is 3cm lower than my PBH of 92. 
>
> Could anyone share if you've had a similar experience being in-between 
> sizes for a Sam Hillborne, and how the size you chose worked out? Or better 
> yet, is there anyone near Berkeley who has a 57cm or 60cm Hillborne you'd 
> let me test ride to nail down my size? I'd be happy to buy you a beer or 
> some other beverage as a thank you!
>
> David
> Berkeley, CA
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Build Post, with links and Celebrity Endorsements

[Nathan Mattia]

Yeah, I actually thought these were going to be friction shifters (love it 
on my Expedition tube-mounts) but not so!  I’m disliking it right now 
because of some phantom shifts on my last 2 rides.  I’m trying to figure 
out if it’s just new bike cable stretching or if my shifters suck, or if 
it’s the derailleurs that are at fault.

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 1:38:04 PM UTC-5, Michael Baquerizo wrote:
>
> If you're interested in drinking the friction kool aid, give that d ring 
> on your right shifter a turn over the the dark side (just continuing your 
> star wars theme)
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:16:41 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Sorry.  Here's the link that works
>>
>>
>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>>
>>> Here's the link to my blog post on my new Sam Hillborne build.  Please 
>>> comment here or there with questions and thoughts.
>>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit
>>>
>>> 
>>> In the mean time, Han Solo sums up my current thoughts:
>>>
>>> [image: IMG_3626.JPG]
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Build Post, with links and Celebrity Endorsements

[Michael Baquerizo]

If you're interested in drinking the friction kool aid, give that d ring on 
your right shifter a turn over the the dark side (just continuing your star 
wars theme)


On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 2:16:41 PM UTC-4, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Sorry.  Here's the link that works
>
>
> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/
>
> On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>>
>> Here's the link to my blog post on my new Sam Hillborne build.  Please 
>> comment here or there with questions and thoughts.
>> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit
>>
>> 
>> In the mean time, Han Solo sums up my current thoughts:
>>
>> [image: IMG_3626.JPG]
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Build Post, with links and Celebrity Endorsements

[Nathan Mattia]

Sorry.  Here's the link that works

https://pipesbikesandleather.com/2020/03/25/rivendell-sam-hillborne-build-post/

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020 at 12:29:45 PM UTC-5, Nathan Mattia wrote:
>
> Here's the link to my blog post on my new Sam Hillborne build.  Please 
> comment here or there with questions and thoughts.
> https://pipesbikesandleather.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=191=edit
>
> 
> In the mean time, Han Solo sums up my current thoughts:
>
> [image: IMG_3626.JPG]
>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne build

[Adam M.]

Because of the sitting position (upright) and my weight (270 lbs.) I 
compress the springs somewhat when I sit on the saddle, but there is no 
bouncing while pedaling until I hit a bump or dip and the saddle dips a 
bit.  It is the most comfortable bicycle that I have ever ridden over 
bumps.  I contemplated getting a sprung saddle with only rear springs, but 
I am happy that I went with the one that has the front springs as well.  
This is a Cadillac on two wheels!

On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 9:32:38 AM UTC-7, REC (Roberta) wrote:
>
> It's a beautiful bike--a really nice color scheme. I LOVE that 
> saddle.  My comfort improved when I switched to a Flyer, a sprung saddle.  
> Do you bounce much with that saddle, or does it just gently soak up the 
> bumps in the road?
>
> Happy riding!
>
> Roberta
>
> On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 12:02:27 PM UTC-4, Adam M. wrote:
>
>> I built this one up over Christmas and finally took it out for a long 
>> ride last weekend.  This is my idea of a Sunday Park Rider which reminds me 
>> a lot of my Father's old restored two-speed/hub shift Schwinn with its 
>> sprung saddle and swept back handlebars.  In all I did twenty seven miles 
>> on its initial ride which seemed too comfortable to bring to an early end.  
>> While this is a dramatic departure from my "Fat Tire Fitness" Rosco Bubbe, 
>> this definitely fills one of the slots in my bicycle stable.  I was given 
>> several compliments when I stopped for tamales at a local restaurant with 
>> an outside patio as it stands out as kind of a throwback to an older style 
>> of bicycle than it truly is.  I Love the feel of steel and this is my first 
>> fully lugged bicycle since my 1983 Schwinn Traveler.  It would probably 
>> look more refined with fenders, but that would require smaller tires and I 
>> struggle to go with smaller tires as I am on the heavy side as can be 
>> determined by the ever so comfortable Brooks B-33 with its stranded chrome 
>> plated springs.
>>
>> I hope that you enjoy my new ride as I am sure to.  BTW, it will be sunny 
>> and 80 degrees today in Phoenix.  
>>
>> Cheers 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne build

[REC (Roberta)]

It's a beautiful bike--a really nice color scheme. I LOVE that saddle.  
My comfort improved when I switched to a Flyer, a sprung saddle.  Do you 
bounce much with that saddle, or does it just gently soak up the bumps in 
the road?

Happy riding!

Roberta

On Sunday, March 17, 2019 at 12:02:27 PM UTC-4, Adam M. wrote:

> I built this one up over Christmas and finally took it out for a long ride 
> last weekend.  This is my idea of a Sunday Park Rider which reminds me a 
> lot of my Father's old restored two-speed/hub shift Schwinn with its sprung 
> saddle and swept back handlebars.  In all I did twenty seven miles on its 
> initial ride which seemed too comfortable to bring to an early end.  While 
> this is a dramatic departure from my "Fat Tire Fitness" Rosco Bubbe, this 
> definitely fills one of the slots in my bicycle stable.  I was given 
> several compliments when I stopped for tamales at a local restaurant with 
> an outside patio as it stands out as kind of a throwback to an older style 
> of bicycle than it truly is.  I Love the feel of steel and this is my first 
> fully lugged bicycle since my 1983 Schwinn Traveler.  It would probably 
> look more refined with fenders, but that would require smaller tires and I 
> struggle to go with smaller tires as I am on the heavy side as can be 
> determined by the ever so comfortable Brooks B-33 with its stranded chrome 
> plated springs.
>
> I hope that you enjoy my new ride as I am sure to.  BTW, it will be sunny 
> and 80 degrees today in Phoenix.  
>
> Cheers 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Justin August]

I believe the 174 is the Fairweather Allroad bar. I think all dimensions are 
identical to the noodle except for a shirter reach. I have one on my Saluki and 
love it. Paired with SRAM levers it provides enough reach without feeling like 
I'm falling over and includes the pull back towards the rider like the noodle. 

-Justin

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks for all the comments. Of course, the bike doesn't arrive until I've 
gone back to work on Tuesday after being off for 9 days and then have to 
fly out to Southern California for work!  Really looking forward to biking 
this Sunday when I get back. 

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Evan E.]

Daniel,

Beautiful! Congratulations.

Evan


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

I'm not sure what a "174" is. I have the Nitto Choco handlebars.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:52:52 PM UTC-8, lum gim fong wrote:
>
> How did you like the 174 over the noodle? Is it really like a mini noodle?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

How did you like the 174 over the noodle? Is it really like a mini noodle?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Yes, I ended up taking that cover off the derailleur. It was just a cover 
to protect it while in transit.

Dan

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 8:47:32 AM UTC-8, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> Lookin good...I like the black and cream. Sodo you leave that cover 
> over the derailleur on? Or is that just more evidence of careful packing?
>
> Hoping you enjoy your new bike...let us all know how you like it and 
> pictures, please !
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:20:51 AM UTC-6, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>>
>>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>>
>>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:

 To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
 understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
 Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
 My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I 
 was 
 pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
 leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will 
 continue 
 to do so until I've got it dialed in. 

 Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.

 Dan 

>>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ryan Fleming]

Lookin good...I like the black and cream. Sodo you leave that cover 
over the derailleur on? Or is that just more evidence of careful packing?

Hoping you enjoy your new bike...let us all know how you like it and 
pictures, please !

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:20:51 AM UTC-6, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>
>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>>
>>> Dan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Les Lammers]

Looks great Dan-O! They are Choco Norm bars.

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 3:20:51 AM UTC-5, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>>
>> Curious what handlebar is this..
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>>
>>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>>
>>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>>
>>> Dan 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Daniel Betancourt]

Thanks. They're supposed to be Nitto Choco bars. 

On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 12:48:49 AM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>
> That's a nice color combination indeed!
>
> Curious what handlebar is this..
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>>
>> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
>> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
>> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
>> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
>> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
>> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
>> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>>
>> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>>
>> Dan 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ash A]

That's a nice color combination indeed!

Curious what handlebar is this..



On Tuesday, 3 January 2017 18:50:48 UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

Ps- I go about 2.5 degrees nose down on my Flyers. I think they might level a 
bit when you sit on them.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[lum gim fong]

I did my first few centuries on a Sam. Slammed Noodle drops. Sprung flyer 
saddle. Total comfort the whole time.

Congrats and please post updates about the century!

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Ian A]

Very nice indeed - I like the handlebar arrangement a great deal.  In terms 
of the Brooks saddle, I find if it points slightly up at the nose until the 
buttock-divots form, then almost completely level it, that works really 
well (this is a process of quite a few hours riding time).  I also like the 
saddle to be tension-ed quite firmly, but not excessively so. When all 
factors are right, the saddle is as comfortable as a well-liked broken-in 
pair of hiking boots.

Ian A/Canada



On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 7:50:48 PM UTC-7, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Finally Arrived

[Bruce Smitham]

Congrats on the new bike. I've had a few Sam Hillbornes and kept them light 
enough to do a number of 70 plus mile rides. Very comfortable and this set 
up looks great.

Enjoy,

Brice in San Diego

On Tuesday, January 3, 2017 at 6:50:48 PM UTC-8, Daniel Betancourt wrote:
>
> To say I was excited to hear the FedEx delivery truck would be an 
> understatement. After unboxing and assembling the bike I attached the 
> Garmin Edge and the bike speed/cadence sensors and took it out for a spin. 
> My average speed was higher than my past two rides on my road bike so I was 
> pleased that I wouldn't be seeing a drop in performance. This is my first 
> leather saddle so I spend some time adjusting it and expect I will continue 
> to do so until I've got it dialed in. 
>
> Looking forward to training for my first Century ride with this bike.
>
> Dan 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Matt Beebe]

You can distinguish between actual TT length and theoretical/horizontal 
length. Because of the ~6-degree upslope of the TT on the hillborne, at 
least on the the original metallic green ones, the size 56 had a 57.5 
actual TT length, but a 59cm horizontal length (measured level to the 
ground).



On Sunday, July 27, 2014 3:37:27 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

 I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the 
 56cm Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes.  

 Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT.  Patrick Moore's prototype 
 Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it 
 does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not.  Mine has a 57.5cm top tube.  
 At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a 
 59cm Top Tube.  Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm.  I 
 measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was 
 (57.5cm).  I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube 
 like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine.  
 All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least 
 one is 57.5 cm (mine).  If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then 
 he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their 
 associated geonumbers.  If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find 
 out which TT length he is getting.  As Patrick correctly pointed out, it 
 matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed 
 out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing. 
   


 On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:

 It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember 
 the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have 
 misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions 
 (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. 
 I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike 
 that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back 
 then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry.

 The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the 
 length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't 
 an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on 
 another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit 
 point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to 
 handlebar shape.  On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept 
 useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to 
 the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep  detailed  
 defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable 
 amount of personal defense!

 Anyway, sorry  best,
 G

 On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote:

 I AGREE !!!

 Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover 
 clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward 
 to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
 Charlie  

 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. 
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to 
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 
 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front 
 wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if 
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can 
 always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little 
 more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking 
 huge 
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Bill Lindsay]

Yes Matt, the original green Hilbornes had a 59cm horizontal top tube, and 
my orange one has a 57.5cm horizontal top tube, 1.5cm shorter than the 
original run.  

On Monday, July 28, 2014 10:42:24 AM UTC-7, Matt Beebe wrote:

 You can distinguish between actual TT length and theoretical/horizontal 
 length. Because of the ~6-degree upslope of the TT on the hillborne, at 
 least on the the original metallic green ones, the size 56 had a 57.5 
 actual TT length, but a 59cm horizontal length (measured level to the 
 ground).




  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Bill Lindsay]

I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the 56cm 
Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes.  

Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT.  Patrick Moore's prototype 
Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it 
does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not.  Mine has a 57.5cm top tube.  
At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a 
59cm Top Tube.  Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm.  I 
measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was 
(57.5cm).  I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube 
like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine.  
All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least 
one is 57.5 cm (mine).  If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then 
he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their 
associated geonumbers.  If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find 
out which TT length he is getting.  As Patrick correctly pointed out, it 
matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed 
out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing. 
  


On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:

 It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember 
 the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have 
 misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions 
 (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. 
 I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike 
 that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back 
 then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry.

 The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the 
 length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't 
 an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on 
 another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit 
 point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to 
 handlebar shape.  On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept 
 useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to 
 the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep  detailed  
 defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable 
 amount of personal defense!

 Anyway, sorry  best,
 G

 On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote:

 I AGREE !!!

 Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover 
 clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward 
 to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
 Charlie  

 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. 
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to 
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if 
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can 
 always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little 
 more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge 
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 -- 
 Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
 By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
 Other professional writing services.
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 Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis

 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Eric Platt]

The original green Hillborne had a longer top tube.  Even though I should
have purchased a 60, based on the TT length, went with a 56.  My present
60cm Hillborne works fine with a Dirtdrop stem and Noodles.  At least for
my preference for being pretty upright while riding.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Sun, Jul 27, 2014 at 2:37 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote:

 I don't want to confuse the discussion about the Samuel Hillborne, the
 56cm Samuel Hillborne in particular, but here goes.

 Not every 56cm Samuel Hillborne has a 59cm TT.  Patrick Moore's prototype
 Waterford Hillborne undoubtedly did, and the Geo charts still say that it
 does, but my Orange 56cm Hillborne does not.  Mine has a 57.5cm top tube.
 At the time (December 2009) I was a little freaked out at the thought of a
 59cm Top Tube.  Keven told me that it had been changed to 57.5cm.  I
 measured on my new frame when I bought it and confirmed that's what it was
 (57.5cm).  I have no idea how many 56cm Hillbornes have a 59cm top tube
 like Patrick Moore's had, and how many have a 57.5cm top tube like mine.
 All I know for sure is that at least one was 59cm (Patrick's) and at least
 one is 57.5 cm (mine).  If the OP ends up buying a new Sam Hillborne, then
 he'll need to start over comparing a 55cm and a 58cm Hillborne, with their
 associated geonumbers.  If the OP buys a used 56, it may be useful to find
 out which TT length he is getting.  As Patrick correctly pointed out, it
 matters (although nobody said it didn't), and as Grant correctly pointed
 out, it's not the only thing that matters or even the most important thing.



 On Saturday, July 26, 2014 8:23:36 AM UTC-7, grant wrote:

 It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember
 the particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have
 misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions
 (the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've.
 I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike
 that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back
 then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry.

 The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the
 length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't
 an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on
 another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit
 point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to
 handlebar shape.  On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept
 useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to
 the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep  detailed 
 defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable
 amount of personal defense!

 Anyway, sorry  best,
 G

 On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote:

 I AGREE !!!

 Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover
 clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward
 to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
 Charlie

 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long.
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel.
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can
 always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little
 more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 --
 Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
 By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
 Other professional writing services.
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 Patrick Moore
 Albuquerque, Nouvelle 

Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Charlie]

I AGREE !!!

Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover 
clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward 
to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
Charlie  

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If 
 you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the 
 saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you 
 don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always 
 use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more 
 forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge 
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 -- 
 Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
 By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
 Other professional writing services.
 http://www.resumespecialties.com/
 Patrick Moore
 Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis

 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
  

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[grant]

It must be true that you ended up with too bigga bike. I don't remember the 
particulars and I'm sorry if the bike didn't work out. I may have 
misunderstood some answers to questions or maybe didn't ask the questions 
(the ones that steer me toward a recommendation) as clearly as I should've. 
I may have goofed, but I didn't actively and knowingly sell you a bike 
that didn't fit. I'm not saying it happened without me, just that even back 
then I was as conscientious (concerned about fit) as I am now. But...sorry.

The Long Low happened like15 or more years ago, and to this day the 
length of a top tube remains easily misunderstandable. Of course it isn't 
an isolated number. A 59cm top tube on one bike can feel short, and on 
another bike, long...depending on Seat tube angle, even bb drop, stem exit 
point and how that compares to seat tube length, and more obviously, to 
handlebar shape.  On a bike like a LongLow that is meant to accept 
useful tires and fenders, the front-center dimension is another tie-in to 
the frame geometry...but this is getting kind of deep  detailed  
defensive for what was supposed to be a quick apology with an acceptable 
amount of personal defense!

Anyway, sorry  best,
G

On Saturday, July 26, 2014 6:28:36 AM UTC-7, Charlie wrote:

 I AGREE !!!

 Grant sold me a Long Low 58 with a very long top tube = NO standover 
 clerance  way too long top tube (could have turned the stem around backward 
 to fit right). NOW it is with a new  happy owner.
 Charlie  

 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 11:59:52 AM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. 
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to 
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if 
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always 
 use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more 
 forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge 
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 -- 
 Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
 By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
 Other professional writing services.
 http://www.resumespecialties.com/
 Patrick Moore
 Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis

 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from 
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
 you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *
  


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Benz, Sunnyvale, CA]

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 8:59:52 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If 
 you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the 
 saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!


I never understood the claim about front wheel load variation caused by 
using different length stems. Unless you're talking about a feet of change, 
a couple of centimeters are not going to make that much of a difference. 
For instance, merely moving from drops to hoods to tops, the front wheel 
load will change. Scooting a bit forward or backward on the saddle also 
means the front wheel load will change. Pedaling off saddle, the front 
wheel load will change dramatically. And no one has so far claim any 
detriment from these. So I don't understand this stem length fixation.

If one is claiming aesthetic detriment, then yes, I will agree that short 
stems (100mm) do look odd.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Edwin W]

I have a 60cm Sam in Nashville. That might not help much, but a woman down the 
street has several 56 cm Rivs I think if you want I can ask her. Not Sams 
though. My Dad has ridden my 60cm with no probes but he would ride a 56 if he 
had his own. Rivs are just so flexy!
Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Jim Bronson]

Did you repaint the green Hillborne maroon with cream headtube, or do you
have two of them?

Hope I wasn't being too nosy by checking out the rest of your photostream ;)


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 12:57 PM, jandrews_nyc jasonaschwa...@gmail.com
wrote:

 I have a PBH of 84.5 and purchased a new 56cm S.H. in '09.
 The top tube is very long and I used a 8cm stem with noodles.
 With bigger tires, the top tube is right up as high as it can go, but you
 can def make it work..just use a short stem.
 *http://tinyurl.com/p6h4p3q http://tinyurl.com/p6h4p3q*






 On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Woodie McCormack wrote:

 I'm about to buy a new(or used) Sam Hillborne.
 My only concern is sizing.
 Is a 56cm too large or should I drop down a size. PBH is 54.
 My main question is does someone near northern Alabama have one that they
 would let me test fit.
 The nearest dealer to me is 350 miles away.
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 Woodie

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[lungimsam]

Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their bikes.

*If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always use 
a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more forward 
or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the centimeters 
you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other bars, then it 
is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge sweep back and 
rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

*If you already have bikes that you are comfortable with:*

Find out your PBH. Then call RBW and find out the standover height and top 
tube length of the size frame they recommend for you.
Does the reach seem reasonable for you compared to what you know from your 
existing bikes? You can always adjust it with a shorter or longer stem.
Will you have enough crotch clearance?

You can compare those dimensions with bikes you have previously owned and 
see if you think that will work for you.


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Patrick Moore]

A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If
you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the
saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I
could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal
stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or
6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel.
I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the
saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above
saddle. Top tube length matters!

I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you
don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube
length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a
given.

The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always
 use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more
 forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 --
Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
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Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis

*
  * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never
was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it.
Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
* Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
in your time and your body can they be?*
*  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
you can find it?” -- Flannery O'Connor, Wise Blood  *

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[cyclotourist]

54 PBH? Presuming you mean 84?

I have an 89 PBH, and a 56 Sam would fit me fine, especially with the 59.5
top tube. I would size down, unless you are planning on riding with upright
bars. Then I would say still size down, but you could get away with it.

Cheers,
David

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On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. If
 you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to the
 saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel.
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if you
 don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always
 use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more
 forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

 --
 Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, and letters that get interviews.
 By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching.
 Other professional writing services.
 http://www.resumespecialties.com/
 Patrick Moore
 Albuquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Etats Unis

 *
   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to
 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Minh]

If your PBH measurement is correct, i'd agree with David that it might be 
too long in the top unless you plan to use albatross or bosco bars.  I'm 
similiar measurements to David and my 56 is just about right with drops.  

Have you talked to Rivendell?  They can talk you through it.  

On Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:46:36 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 54 PBH? Presuming you mean 84?

 I have an 89 PBH, and a 56 Sam would fit me fine, especially with the 59.5 
 top tube. I would size down, unless you are planning on riding with upright 
 bars. Then I would say still size down, but you could get away with it.

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long. 
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to 
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I 
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal 
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or 
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel. 
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the 
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above 
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if 
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube 
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a 
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their 
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can always 
 use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little more 
 forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the 
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other 
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge 
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

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   * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to 
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 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to 
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind 
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into 
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your 
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is 
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was 
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, 
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where 
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. 
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where 
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Dan McNamara]

I had a 56 Sam and have an 84 PBH. With noodles it was too long in the TT.
Tried a shorter step but it was a no-go. It probably would have been fine
with upright bars but I was looking for more of a road bike.

Dan


On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 10:05 AM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote:

 If your PBH measurement is correct, i'd agree with David that it might be
 too long in the top unless you plan to use albatross or bosco bars.  I'm
 similiar measurements to David and my 56 is just about right with drops.

 Have you talked to Rivendell?  They can talk you through it.


 On Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:46:36 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 54 PBH? Presuming you mean 84?

 I have an 89 PBH, and a 56 Sam would fit me fine, especially with the
 59.5 top tube. I would size down, unless you are planning on riding with
 upright bars. Then I would say still size down, but you could get away with
 it.

 Cheers,
 David

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 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Patrick Moore bert...@gmail.com wrote:

 A dissenting opinion: I had a 56 and found the 59 cm top tube too long.
 If you have a preferred bar and a preferred bar position with respect to
 the saddle, there are limits to adjusting reach by adjusting the stem -- I
 could not get the Sam's Noodle close enough to the saddle with a normal
 stem, even with the Sam's relaxed seat tube angle. I could have used a 5 or
 6 cm extension, except that would put too little weight on the front wheel.
 I ended up with the bar too high for my liking -- some 5-6 cm above the
 saddle, when even for a country' bike I prefer it no more than 2 cm above
 saddle. Top tube length matters!

 I personally would very definitely test ride one if you can, though if
 you don't mind very high bars, you have less need to worry about top tube
 length. Me, I like my bars where I like them -- it's not a variable but a
 given.

 The Sam would be an excellent candidate for upright bars, though.


 On Thu, Jul 24, 2014 at 9:35 AM, lungimsam john1...@gmail.com wrote:

 Most people seem happy with the Rivendell method of sizing for their
 bikes.

 *If this is your first bike*, just go with their sizing. You can
 always use a shorter or longer stem, and rotate the brake levers little
 more forward or back on the handlebars (if using drops) to try to buy the
 centimeters you need to get the reach comfortable for you. If using other
 bars, then it is even easier to fit for reach because you are talking huge
 sweep back and rise like on the Albas and Bosco bars.

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 never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from
 it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.*
 * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to
 look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind
 it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into
 somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your
 daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is
 all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was
 any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there,
 because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where
 in your time and your body can they be?*
 *  Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried.
 Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where
 Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[RJM]

I would go with whatever size Riv recommends for your PBH assuming you 
measured it correctly. My PBH is 79 and I am 5'6 tall; both my Rivs that I 
have bought from Riv have been sized very well for me. 
 
The 54 is a typo, I'm assuming. Measure you PBH a couple of different times 
before calling Riv. 
On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 9:04:27 PM UTC-5, Woodie McCormack wrote:

  I'm about to buy a new(or used) Sam Hillborne.
 My only concern is sizing.
 Is a 56cm too large or should I drop down a size. PBH is 54.
 My main question is does someone near northern Alabama have one that they 
 would let me test fit.
 The nearest dealer to me is 350 miles away.
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 Woodie


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[jandrews_nyc]

I have a PBH of 84.5 and purchased a new 56cm S.H. in '09.
The top tube is very long and I used a 8cm stem with noodles.
With bigger tires, the top tube is right up as high as it can go, but you 
can def make it work..just use a short stem.
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:04:27 PM UTC-4, Woodie McCormack wrote:

 I'm about to buy a new(or used) Sam Hillborne.
 My only concern is sizing.
 Is a 56cm too large or should I drop down a size. PBH is 54.
 My main question is does someone near northern Alabama have one that they 
 would let me test fit.
 The nearest dealer to me is 350 miles away.
 Thanks in advance for any help.
 Woodie


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Mike]

Great looking bike! Enjoy it. Yet another build that is inspiring me to 
swap out the drop bars on my Hilsen for Albatross bars.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Tom Virgil]

I understand completely. 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/9332469028/

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:54:27 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:

 So I have had my new Sam for a couple of weeks now but have yet to post 
 photos.  I took it on a nice and easy Sunday morning trail ride and I 
 absolutely love it.  It has a Sugino wide/low double, Brooks B-17, thin 
 gripsters, Albatross bars and IRD thumb shifters.  Jared at Rivendell was a 
 great help as he managed to find the last 52 Sam in existence which saved 
 me from going to a 51.  Honestly with the rise in the TT a 51 would 
 probably have been good for me as I found the 52 feels slightly larger than 
 the 54 Ram I used to own.   Never underestimate the affect of the sloping 
 TT.  But I am still glad I got a 52.


 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hillborne/null_zps78fea8be.jpg


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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Christopher Chen]

SOMEONE'S ready for a large saddlesack.

cc


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 I understand completely.
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/20853610@N05/9332469028/


 On Sunday, August 4, 2013 9:54:27 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote:

 So I have had my new Sam for a couple of weeks now but have yet to post
 photos.  I took it on a nice and easy Sunday morning trail ride and I
 absolutely love it.  It has a Sugino wide/low double, Brooks B-17, thin
 gripsters, Albatross bars and IRD thumb shifters.  Jared at Rivendell was a
 great help as he managed to find the last 52 Sam in existence which saved
 me from going to a 51.  Honestly with the rise in the TT a 51 would
 probably have been good for me as I found the 52 feels slightly larger than
 the 54 Ram I used to own.   Never underestimate the affect of the sloping
 TT.  But I am still glad I got a 52.

 http://i260.photobucket.com/**albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/**
 Rivendell%20Sam%20Hillborne/**null_zps78fea8be.jpghttp://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hillborne/null_zps78fea8be.jpg

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Michael]

 Congrats, and enjoy! Thanks for the pic. Looks real nice.


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Deacon Patrick]

Fantastic! Enjoy the ride!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, August 4, 2013 10:54:27 AM UTC-6, Johnny Alien wrote:

 So I have had my new Sam for a couple of weeks now but have yet to post 
 photos.  I took it on a nice and easy Sunday morning trail ride and I 
 absolutely love it.  It has a Sugino wide/low double, Brooks B-17, thin 
 gripsters, Albatross bars and IRD thumb shifters.  Jared at Rivendell was a 
 great help as he managed to find the last 52 Sam in existence which saved 
 me from going to a 51.  Honestly with the rise in the TT a 51 would 
 probably have been good for me as I found the 52 feels slightly larger than 
 the 54 Ram I used to own.   Never underestimate the affect of the sloping 
 TT.  But I am still glad I got a 52.


 http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii31/Johnny_Alien/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hillborne/null_zps78fea8be.jpg


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[DianeB]

That looks beautiful, Johnny!   Glad you're enjoying the ride.  I'm waiting 
for my munchkin sized 47 AHH to ship.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[peech1...@yahoo.com]

I haven't had the courage to ride my sam hillborne on the salted roads in 
SE MN.  Scrolled through your pics...very nice.  Maybe we meet on the 
Spring Valley ride the first week of June.  Tim P.

On Friday, March 22, 2013 10:58:22 AM UTC-5, EricP wrote:

 Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied 
 with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was 
 looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill, 
 being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame, 
 brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.
  
 Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is 
 a 1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between 
 my SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26 wheels)
  
 Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big 
 as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head 
 out on a maiden voyage.
  
 Quick photo here - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream
  
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[samh]

 After finishing this post will get ready to head out on a maiden voyage.

Thanks for having your priorities straight: pictures for the group first, 
then a test ride. :)


On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:58:22 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied 
 with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was 
 looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill, 
 being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame, 
 brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.
  
 Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is 
 a 1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between 
 my SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26 wheels)
  
 Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big 
 as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head 
 out on a maiden voyage.
  
 Quick photo here - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream
  
 Eric Platt
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[IanA]

Great looking bicycle - what attracted you to a second Hillborne after not 
being taken with the first?  

On Friday, March 22, 2013 9:58:22 AM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Yes, I sold my original Hillborne last summer after becoming dissatisfied 
 with it (and myself at the time).  While not getting sellers remorse, was 
 looking at getting a replacement in the 60cm size.  Luckily, Jim Thill, 
 being the guy he is, had one at his shop. Last night picked up the frame, 
 brakes and a few bits needed to complete the build.
  
 Ended up going a completely different direction than last build.  This is 
 a 1x9 with flat bars (Nitto Torsion bars).  A bike to fill the gap between 
 my SimpleOne and full on touring bike (Surly LHT with 26 wheels)
  
 Studded tires and Longboard fenders fit, but it's close.  Probably as big 
 as I'll go on this bike.  After finishing this post will get ready to head 
 out on a maiden voyage.
  
 Quick photo here - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8579515535/in/photostream
  
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Bryan]

Cool bike. Even though I lived in Wisconsin for five years, something seems 
wrong about building up a brand new bike in late March with studded tires! 
I hope spring is coming soon for you folks. 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Edwin W]

 Very similar to my new 
 ridehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8575250744/in/photostream, 
 in terms of set up:
 I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer or 
 shift with my finger/stick/toe)
 I have albas instead of your more flat bars.
  

I'm loving it so far.
Edwin 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[Eric Platt]

Michael, no it doesn't seem to create any extra stress.  The drivetrain had
been on another bike before this, and I've used the concept in the past.

Ian, it wasn't that I wasn't taken with the first Hillborne.  Had it for a
few years, actually.  More like it was too small and the present bikes are
considerably different than the ones back then.  Plus, haven't owned a
brake that takes sidepulls in 30 years.  Oh, and can't discount the allure
of two top tubes.  Or the significant birthday coming up this year factor.

Edwin, yes, they are similar.  I don't have the second chainring.  But have
thought about a setup like your.

Did get out on a ride today.  My longest of the year so far.  Okay, it was
a mere 24 miles, Took it over to Hiawatha Cyclery.  Nothing fell off the
bike or made an odd grinding sound, so it should work okay.  Glad I had the
studded tires on, but they are getting to be a chore.  Hoping to put the
Schwalbe Marathon Racers on soon.

Link to pics to prove I rode today -
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8581250340/in/photostream

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN


On Fri, Mar 22, 2013 at 3:35 PM, Edwin W dweenda...@hotmail.com wrote:

 Very similar to my new 
 ridehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8575250744/in/photostream,
 in terms of set up:
 I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer or
 shift with my finger/stick/toe)
 I have albas instead of your more flat bars.


 I'm loving it so far.
 Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne in the house

[IanA]

Thanks for the update.  It would be great to learn of your impressions of 
this bicycle compared to the LHT and your other Riv's (past and present) 
 once you've had time to try it out for a few longer rides on the Marathon 
Racers.  

On Friday, March 22, 2013 3:38:25 PM UTC-6, EricP wrote:

 Michael, no it doesn't seem to create any extra stress.  The drivetrain 
 had been on another bike before this, and I've used the concept in the 
 past.  

 Ian, it wasn't that I wasn't taken with the first Hillborne.  Had it for a 
 few years, actually.  More like it was too small and the present bikes are 
 considerably different than the ones back then.  Plus, haven't owned a 
 brake that takes sidepulls in 30 years.  Oh, and can't discount the allure 
 of two top tubes.  Or the significant birthday coming up this year factor.

 Edwin, yes, they are similar.  I don't have the second chainring.  But 
 have thought about a setup like your.
  
 Did get out on a ride today.  My longest of the year so far.  Okay, it was 
 a mere 24 miles, Took it over to Hiawatha Cyclery.  Nothing fell off the 
 bike or made an odd grinding sound, so it should work okay.  Glad I had the 
 studded tires on, but they are getting to be a chore.  Hoping to put the 
 Schwalbe Marathon Racers on soon.
  
 Link to pics to prove I rode today - 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/14126468@N05/8581250340/in/photostream
  
 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN


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  wrote:

 Very similar to my new 
 ridehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/90785999@N06/8575250744/in/photostream, 
 in terms of set up:
 I have 1x8 going, with the option to go 2x8 (if I add a front derailer 
 or shift with my finger/stick/toe)
 I have albas instead of your more flat bars.
  

 I'm loving it so far.
 Edwin 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

Yes I have a Hobo bag that I use when I need to carry something. I
like this frame it fits me well and feels pretty solid. The handling
is real predictablein fact I had a moment of inattention that
found me wandering towards the ditch and I caught it just in time and
the steering seemed to respond quickly but not too quickly if that
makes any sense. Just a pleasant sensible frame designI think I'll
put quite a few miles on it.

On May 6, 8:47 pm, Thomas Lynn Skean thomaslynnsk...@comcast.net
wrote:
 To me, that is definitely the way to mount Moustache bars: on a tall Dirt 
 Drop stem. Get them up and not too far forward.

 I've ridden my Hillborne a lot that way and it really works well for me. An 
 Acorn non-boxy bag works surprisingly well on such a setup and gives you 
 rider-facing pockets.

 Yours,
 Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[Mike]

Beautiful bike Charlie. Enjoy it. Outside of wanting a bigger tire are
you otherwise happy with the Ribimos? The shape looks great. I've been
surprised that more people don't use them, but then, I think it's hard
to beat Jack Browns for a large round supple tire or Marathon Supremes
for a larger and sturdier round tire.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

I agree Mike.the Ribmos are fine but the ideal tire for my weight
is between 35-38mm (actual) with the Marathon Supreme being the
current favorite. The Ribmo seems durable and relatively flat proof
but not particularly speedy. Honestly though I have no data to support
that and don't even use a speedometer anymore. I wanted to try them as
I used to roll  the Panaracer Urbanmax tires in that size and they
were great tires, speedy feeling but with a reinforced sidewall. The
Ribmos are heavier though and not round but more of a  oval cross
section with the center of the tire making more contact it seems.
These days I just ride what I have until they are worn out. Perceived
speed is important I suppose and some tires do seem better than others
but except for the extremes I think its difficult to notice a huge
difference among most of them. Love the new bike thoughstill
dialing in the bar height/saddle position and haven't had much time to
ride yet..maybe later today when the rain stops.

On May 6, 6:31 am, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 Beautiful bike Charlie. Enjoy it. Outside of wanting a bigger tire are
 you otherwise happy with the Ribimos? The shape looks great. I've been
 surprised that more people don't use them, but then, I think it's hard
 to beat Jack Browns for a large round supple tire or Marathon Supremes
 for a larger and sturdier round tire.

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[Earl Grey]

Love the way the pump fits just between the double tubes. Great idea
to get a white pump, mimics the look of the white panel on the seat
tube. How are you liking the longboards? Can't help but notice that
those fenders are still short compared to aluminum Honjos/VOs, esp
forward of the fork crown. I used to swear by SKS but the last 3
fender pairs I have bought were aluminum.

Enjoy!

Gernot


On May 6, 9:23 am, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3924434835546set=a.252263587...

 Here is the new bicycle as I have it set up now..some older parts,
 some newer.great ride! Everything went together without a problem
 and didn't even have to switch so much as a cable.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

Actually the fenders are by Planet Bike and came off my old Raleigh.
Your suspicions are correct the Longboards are a little longer. I tend
to cannibalize other bicycles to build a new one. I think someone gave
me the pump too...kind of crazy how that all worked out.

On May 6, 1:29 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:
 Love the way the pump fits just between the double tubes. Great idea
 to get a white pump, mimics the look of the white panel on the seat
 tube. How are you liking the longboards? Can't help but notice that
 those fenders are still short compared to aluminum Honjos/VOs, esp
 forward of the fork crown. I used to swear by SKS but the last 3
 fender pairs I have bought were aluminum.

 Enjoy!

 Gernot

 On May 6, 9:23 am, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:







 https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=3924434835546set=a.252263587...

  Here is the new bicycle as I have it set up now..some older parts,
  some newer.great ride! Everything went together without a problem
  and didn't even have to switch so much as a cable.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[EricP]

It's a very nice looking bike.  Eventually am going to build up one of my 
bikes with moustache bars and see how they work.  
 
Besides the Supremes, also look at the Marathon Duremes.  Have them on my 
Sam Hillborne and they are nice.  I personally think they roll a bit nicer 
than the Supremes.  
 
And lastly, aren't gifted pumps fun.  The Zefal on my SimpleOne was a gift 
from a friend.  
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, charlie wrote:

 Actually the fenders are by Planet Bike and came off my old Raleigh. 
 Your suspicions are correct the Longboards are a little longer. I tend 
 to cannibalize other bicycles to build a new one. I think someone gave 
 me the pump too...kind of crazy how that all worked out. 

  
  


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

Yes..anything I don't have to purchase is awesome..I like the
mustache bars set high that's what makes them work for me.

On May 6, 5:17 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 It's a very nice looking bike.  Eventually am going to build up one of my
 bikes with moustache bars and see how they work.

 Besides the Supremes, also look at the Marathon Duremes.  Have them on my
 Sam Hillborne and they are nice.  I personally think they roll a bit nicer
 than the Supremes.

 And lastly, aren't gifted pumps fun.  The Zefal on my SimpleOne was a gift
 from a friend.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN







 On Sunday, May 6, 2012 4:38:16 PM UTC-5, charlie wrote:
  Actually the fenders are by Planet Bike and came off my old Raleigh.
  Your suspicions are correct the Longboards are a little longer. I tend
  to cannibalize other bicycles to build a new one. I think someone gave
  me the pump too...kind of crazy how that all worked out.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[Thomas Lynn Skean]

To me, that is definitely the way to mount Moustache bars: on a tall Dirt Drop 
stem. Get them up and not too far forward.

I've ridden my Hillborne a lot that way and it really works well for me. An 
Acorn non-boxy bag works surprisingly well on such a setup and gives you 
rider-facing pockets.

Yours,
Thomas Lynn Skean

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[cbone97]

I like it!  Makes me wonder if I should get the mustache instead of
albas on my forthcoming blue sam.  What size tires are you running?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

Panaracer Pribmo's 700x32 but I plan on something about 35-38 mm wide
eventually. I'm liking the mustache bar, its really nice for traffic
jamming on a commute. The brake levers are in a good position for
powerful braking and the more upright position is nice for that too.
The wide sprung saddle makes it all comfy and makes up somewhat for
the 90 psi 32mm tires. Its a pavement rider so I'm leaving it the way
it is for now.

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 I like it!  Makes me wonder if I should get the mustache instead of
 albas on my forthcoming blue sam.  What size tires are you running?

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne photos

[charlie]

oops!  meant .Ribmo's

On May 5, 8:17 pm, charlie cl_v...@hotmail.com wrote:
 Panaracer Pribmo's 700x32 but I plan on something about 35-38 mm wide
 eventually. I'm liking the mustache bar, its really nice for traffic
 jamming on a commute. The brake levers are in a good position for
 powerful braking and the more upright position is nice for that too.
 The wide sprung saddle makes it all comfy and makes up somewhat for
 the 90 psi 32mm tires. Its a pavement rider so I'm leaving it the way
 it is for now.

 On May 5, 8:03 pm, cbone97 cbon...@gmail.com wrote:







  I like it!  Makes me wonder if I should get the mustache instead of
  albas on my forthcoming blue sam.  What size tires are you running?

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks for the info, Peter. Wouldn't it be funny if we both replaced the 
same Homer frame with a new Sam? :)
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.
On Wednesday, March 21, 2012 12:06:10 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Ok, just got off the phone with Mark over at Riv HQ who I had a awesome 
 talk with about bike fitting that was pretty illuminating. Long story short 
 though they will have the new Bleu color in stock in all sizes even though 
 as he said they have trouble moving the smaller ones but dealers and 
 whatnot requested it so get they got in done through the whole range of 
 sizes, except for the 64. That new bleu and the cream accents are a great 
 addition to a killer bike, almost thinking the unthinkable to sell my 
 beautiful Homer setup to fund a new Hillborne. Hmm

 On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go for it, I'm lousy on the phone. 

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:16:51 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Yeah I only ask because all the ones I have seen pictured and grants 
 blug post mentions the the new color in relation to the two tt model.   I 
 guess one of us should just ring them up tomorrow,  sounds like a good 
 excuse to not work for a few minutes,  Haha. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt it..no small Rivendells come with two tts. I presume the 48/52 
 remains uno-tubed.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right? 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four 
 sizes: 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I 
 can order that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones 
 have the new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so 
 they 
 can eat some of the cost of the fancy paint job. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the 
 pre-sale bleu's are 56 and 60 only?
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they 
 would have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube 
 as a 
 way to keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost 
 Rivendells creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: William 
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM 
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 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale 

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the 
 color.  

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for 
 pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time 
 to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Peter Morgano]

Ok, just got off the phone with Mark over at Riv HQ who I had a awesome
talk with about bike fitting that was pretty illuminating. Long story short
though they will have the new Bleu color in stock in all sizes even though
as he said they have trouble moving the smaller ones but dealers and
whatnot requested it so get they got in done through the whole range of
sizes, except for the 64. That new bleu and the cream accents are a great
addition to a killer bike, almost thinking the unthinkable to sell my
beautiful Homer setup to fund a new Hillborne. Hmm

On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 11:32 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Go for it, I'm lousy on the phone.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:16:51 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Yeah I only ask because all the ones I have seen pictured and grants blug
 post mentions the the new color in relation to the two tt model.   I guess
 one of us should just ring them up tomorrow,  sounds like a good excuse to
 not work for a few minutes,  Haha.
 On Mar 20, 2012 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt it..no small Rivendells come with two tts. I presume the 48/52
 remains uno-tubed.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right?
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes:
 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can 
 order
 that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have
 the new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can 
 eat
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job.
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the
 pre-sale bleu's are 56 and 60 only?

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they
 would have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube 
 as a
 way to keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost
 Rivendells creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.

 -Original Message-
 From: William
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM
 To: 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the
 color.

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for
 pre-
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time
 to
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now.
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Bill]

That's mighty close to pencil blue:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/archivalclothing/1659288315/in/pool-70497321@N00/
 

Awesome, especially with the creme head tube accent.

On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:57:33 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:

 Having seen the new bruise bleu in person I can attest to how great 
 the color is. 
 Emily's new bike is the bruise bleu 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/6845791516/ 

 On Mar 19, 10:43 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote: 
  Love that color. 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 
  
   Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- 
   sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
   pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
  http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[William]

It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.  

On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[James Warren]

But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way to keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the "lower cost" Rivendells creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.
-Original Message- From: William <tapebu...@gmail.com>Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale It is a tremendously tempting deal. I really really like the color. On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:
Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00! Damn wish it wasnt time to pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Joe Bernard]

The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the pre-sale 
bleu's are 56 and 60 only?
 
Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would have 
 shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way to keep 
 the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells creep 
 up in price, I get nervous for some reason.

 -Original Message- 
 From: William 
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale 

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.  

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Peter Morgano]

That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have the
new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can eat
some of the cost of the fancy paint job.
On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the pre-sale
 bleu's are 56 and 60 only?

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would
 have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way to
 keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells
 creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.

 -Original Message-
 From: William
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre-
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now.
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Joe Bernard]

Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes: 
48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can order 
that gorgeous color in my size..

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have the 
 new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can eat 
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the pre-sale 
 bleu's are 56 and 60 only?
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would 
 have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way to 
 keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells 
 creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: William 
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM 
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale 

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.  

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Peter Morgano]

Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right?
On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes:
 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can order
 that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have the
 new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can eat
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job.
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the pre-sale
 bleu's are 56 and 60 only?

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would
 have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way to
 keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells
 creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.

 -Original Message-
 From: William
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM
 To: 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre-
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now.
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Joe Bernard]

I doubt it..no small Rivendells come with two tts. I presume the 48/52 
remains uno-tubed.

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right? 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes: 
 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can order 
 that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have 
 the new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can eat 
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the 
 pre-sale bleu's are 56 and 60 only?
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would 
 have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way 
 to 
 keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells 
 creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: William 
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM 
 To: 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com 
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale 

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.  

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for 
 pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product**-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Peter Morgano]

Yeah I only ask because all the ones I have seen pictured and grants blug
post mentions the the new color in relation to the two tt model.   I guess
one of us should just ring them up tomorrow,  sounds like a good excuse to
not work for a few minutes,  Haha.
On Mar 20, 2012 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt it..no small Rivendells come with two tts. I presume the 48/52
 remains uno-tubed.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right?
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes:
 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can order
 that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have
 the new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can eat
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job.
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the
 pre-sale bleu's are 56 and 60 only?

 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they would
 have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as a way 
 to
 keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost Rivendells
 creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.

 -Original Message-
 From: William
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM
 To: 
 rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.**comrbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color.

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for
 pre-
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now.
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Joe Bernard]

Go for it, I'm lousy on the phone. 

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 8:16:51 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Yeah I only ask because all the ones I have seen pictured and grants blug 
 post mentions the the new color in relation to the two tt model.   I guess 
 one of us should just ring them up tomorrow,  sounds like a good excuse to 
 not work for a few minutes,  Haha. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 11:09 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 I doubt it..no small Rivendells come with two tts. I presume the 48/52 
 remains uno-tubed.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:59:13 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Now I am confused,  they don't all have two tts though right? 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:57 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hmm..I think I was wrong. The Pre-Sale page lets you order four sizes: 
 48/52/56/60. This could present a problem for my credit card if I can 
 order 
 that gorgeous color in my size..

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:16:44 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 That is what I assume,  since the indicated only the two tt ones have 
 the new color.  Most likely because those are Taiwan frames so they can 
 eat 
 some of the cost of the fancy paint job. 
 On Mar 20, 2012 10:14 PM, Joe Bernard joerem...@gmail.com wrote:

 The Sam situation is confusing for me. Should I assume that the 
 pre-sale bleu's are 56 and 60 only?
  
 Joe Bernard
 Vallejo, CA.

 On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 4:16:35 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 But (speaking hypothetically - I don't need a bike) I wish they 
 would have shifted to that awesome blue WITHOUT contrasting headtube as 
 a 
 way to keep the cost down closer to $1000. Whenever the lower cost 
 Rivendells creep up in price, I get nervous for some reason.
  
 -Original Message- 
 From: William 
 Sent: Mar 20, 2012 3:45 PM 
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 Subject: [RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale 

 It is a tremendously tempting deal.  I really really like the color. 
  

 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: 

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for 
 pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time 
 to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/**product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htmhttp://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Ryan Ray]

Love that color.






On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

 Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre- 
 sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to 
 pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now. 
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne Color Pre-Sale

[Manuel Acosta]

Having seen the new bruise bleu in person I can attest to how great
the color is.
Emily's new bike is the bruise bleu
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mannyacosta/6845791516/

On Mar 19, 10:43 am, Ryan Ray ryanr...@gmail.com wrote:
 Love that color.







 On Monday, March 19, 2012 10:20:37 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote:

  Poking around Riv site and saw they have the new colored Sams for pre-
  sale for an incredible deal at $1050.00!  Damn wish it wasnt time to
  pay for my kid's summer camp or I would snap that up right now.
 http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/f-hillborne-blue.htm

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[MichaelH]

Beautiful, Darin.  I really like seeing a beautiful classic put
together with good, affordable parts.

Happy trails,
michael

On Apr 20, 3:08 pm, Darin G. dbg...@mac.com wrote:
 My Sam Hillborne is complete with all accessories

 http://gallery.me.com/dbgoff#18

 Frameset:       Rivendell Sam Hillborne 56cm
 Brake Levers:   Cane Creek - Gum
 Shifters:       Shimano Bar End 9
 Crank:  Sugino XD Special
 Bottom Bracket:  Tange
 Brakes: Shimano 550
 Front Derailleur:       Tiagra 28.6
 Rear Derailleur:        Deore XT
 Cassette:       12-32 Shimano HG50
 Stem:   Nitto Tech Delux
 Handlebars:     Nitto Noodle 44
 Tape:   Cork
 Headset:        Tange
 Wheels: Deore XT Mavic A719
 Saddle: Brooks B17 Special Honey
 Seatpost:       Nitto Crystal
 Tires:  Riv Jack Brown Blue
 Fender:         Planet Bike Cascadia
 Rear Rack:      Nitto Big
 Front Rack:     Nitto Mini
 Pedals: Shimano 540

 Thanks to Mark Kennedy at Saturday Cycles for putting this together.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Darin G.]

Working on better pictures--unfortunately Mr. Nikon is in the shop,
again, so when he gets back we'll try for some better shots.

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 Whoa!  We are going to need to see: 1) More pictures!  2) Sharp
 pictures!
 of that beauty.

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[amoll68]

Darin,

Cool - you're gonna enjoy that.

Alex

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[kent]

Dick,

Add me to the list of those who have drooled over your stable.  Great
bikes and great pictures as well!  I found your collection when I was
looking for everything I could find about the Bombadil and your
pictures and comments did two things: they pushed me over the edge of
my decision to actually spend that much on a bike (as opposed to a Sam
H. or a Surly Long Haul Trucker) and they made me at least briefly
consider a color of paint other than the clear coat.  That red makes
for the best looking non-clearcoat Bomba that I've seen (though I
decided to stick with the bare steel look.)  You certainly haven't
shirked on the parts for any of your bikes and I shudder to think how
much money those pictures represent, but the results are beautiful and
the bikes are clearly both enjoyed and shared, so more power to you!
(And in a more rational moment I realize I should count my excellent
good fortune that I can afford a Rivendell at just shy of 30 and not
bedrudge someone who has worked a few more years than I their Paul
brakes and Supernova lights!)

Anyway, good taste, good pictures, thank you for sharing them with us
and especially good on you for sharing the bikes themselves so that
others can enjoy them!

-kent

On Nov 7, 11:08 am, Dick Gilpin dgil...@cox.net wrote:
 I¹ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my liking.  I started
 off with moustache bars, then switched to Albatross bars which I like much
 better.  Here¹s a link to pictures for those 
 interested:http://web.me.com/dgilpin/Site_11/Sam_Hillborne.html

 Dick
 Dick Gilpin
 924 Kristen Road
 Derby, Ks  67037
 dgil...@cox.net
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Rene Sterental]

I agree with the color comment. I too, found you Bombadil when searching for
pictures to try to decide what color to have my Bombadil painted with. I
too, found it incredibly beautiful, but in the end, chose to go with a more
subdued look and went with the darkest green available, almost black in poor
light, so that I could get the darker frame with the silver parts (Bearded
Peter's black Bombadil's look was incredibly stunning) and still get some
very subdued green in, for my son.

I showed my wife and my son the pictures and they all agreed it was a tie
and told me to make up my mind myself... just like Keven and Mark did at
Rivendell :-)

So, in the end, you're still going to be the only one with an orange
Bombadil, but I wonder for how much longer...

I'll post pictures when my arrives in early December.

René

On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 11:41 AM, kent broken.cy...@gmail.com wrote:


 Dick,

 Add me to the list of those who have drooled over your stable.  Great
 bikes and great pictures as well!  I found your collection when I was
 looking for everything I could find about the Bombadil and your
 pictures and comments did two things: they pushed me over the edge of
 my decision to actually spend that much on a bike (as opposed to a Sam
 H. or a Surly Long Haul Trucker) and they made me at least briefly
 consider a color of paint other than the clear coat.  That red makes
 for the best looking non-clearcoat Bomba that I've seen (though I
 decided to stick with the bare steel look.)  You certainly haven't
 shirked on the parts for any of your bikes and I shudder to think how
 much money those pictures represent, but the results are beautiful and
 the bikes are clearly both enjoyed and shared, so more power to you!
 (And in a more rational moment I realize I should count my excellent
 good fortune that I can afford a Rivendell at just shy of 30 and not
 bedrudge someone who has worked a few more years than I their Paul
 brakes and Supernova lights!)

 Anyway, good taste, good pictures, thank you for sharing them with us
 and especially good on you for sharing the bikes themselves so that
 others can enjoy them!

 -kent

 On Nov 7, 11:08 am, Dick Gilpin dgil...@cox.net wrote:
  I¹ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my liking.  I started
  off with moustache bars, then switched to Albatross bars which I like
 much
  better.  Here¹s a link to pictures for those interested:
 http://web.me.com/dgilpin/Site_11/Sam_Hillborne.html
 
  Dick
  Dick Gilpin
  924 Kristen Road
  Derby, Ks  67037
  dgil...@cox.net
  dgil...@mac.comhttp://members.cox.net/dgilpin
  


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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[rswat...@me.com]

Have you seen the orange in person?
I encountered an orange Hillborne on the road last Friday. (Sandia  
Crest, NM) and is was stunning! Closest I've seen to the old XO-1  
pumpkin.
Of course I'm a sucker for anything orange ;-)

Ryan




On Nov 7, 2009, at 17:33, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Nicely kitted out. I think you'll like it over the miles. The green  
 paint is a super shade. I can't get excited over the orange  
 Hillbornes for some reason, though the Rambouillet orange was great  
 IMO

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 Subject: [RBW] New Sam Hillborne

 I’ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my liking.


 

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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Frankwurst]

Nicely done Dick. I must say you have one of the finest collections of
bicycles (at least the type I enjoy) that I have ever seen. I also
realize there is someone else out there that enjoys moustache bars as
much as I do. Out of curiosity why the 48 spoke wheels?

On Nov 7, 11:08 am, Dick Gilpin dgil...@cox.net wrote:
 I¹ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my liking.  I started
 off with moustache bars, then switched to Albatross bars which I like much
 better.  Here¹s a link to pictures for those 
 interested:http://web.me.com/dgilpin/Site_11/Sam_Hillborne.html

 Dick
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 924 Kristen Road
 Derby, Ks  67037
 dgil...@cox.net
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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[James Warren]

Title: New Sam Hillborne

Excellent. The more I see the Sam Hillborne, the more I admire it.It's one of those great deals that you hope people take advantage of while it's available. Kind of like the 2003 Romulus. Or mid-to-late-80's Trek 400's. Or the 1991 MB-4.-Original Message-
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Subject: [RBW] New Sam Hillborne






I’ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my liking. I started off with moustache bars, then switched to Albatross bars which I like much better. Here’s a link to pictures for those interested: http://web.me.com/dgilpin/Site_11/Sam_Hillborne.html

Dick
Dick Gilpin 
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Derby, Ks 67037
dgil...@cox.net
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http://members.cox.net/dgilpin







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[RBW] Re: New Sam Hillborne

[Bruce]

Nicely kitted out. I think you'll like it over the miles. The green paint is a 
super shade. I can't get excited over the orange Hillbornes for some reason, 
though the Rambouillet orange was great IMO





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To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, November 7, 2009 11:08:38 AM
Subject: [RBW] New Sam Hillborne

New Sam Hillborne I’ve finally got my Sam Hillborne up and running to my 
liking. 



  
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