RE: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a Tank. I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were very similar size wise. The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 pounds 12 ounces. The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. Is that a Tank? At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into consideration the length of the fork. The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm longer on the BLT. Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the LHT. Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise quill stem, call me Old Fashioned, but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 inches of spacers. That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the bars higher if desired. Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their web page). The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter than the LHT with Surly racks. Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. The Groups I have coming are completely LX. The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com Any questions - feel free to give me a call. Regards, Bruce Gordon - www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
And the Rivendell content here is... On Dec 13, 7:57 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a Tank. I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were very similar size wise. The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 pounds 12 ounces. The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. Is that a Tank? At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into consideration the length of the fork. The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm longer on the BLT. Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the LHT. Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise quill stem, call me Old Fashioned, but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 inches of spacers. That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the bars higher if desired. Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their web page). The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter than the LHT with Surly racks. Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. The Groups I have coming are completely LX. The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com Any questions - feel free to give me a call. Regards, Bruce Gordon -www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
In the recent thread about TIG-welded Rivendells, comments were made about the BLT's. Bruce didn't instigate the conversation. I think it's fair that he be allowed to address those comments before we wrap the discussion up. If folks have further comments or questions concerning the BLT's, they should feel free to discuss them on the touring or iBob lists, or perhaps by contacting Bruce directly. - J Ya gotta Keep it Moderated... on 12/13/09 8:03 PM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: And the Rivendell content here is... On Dec 13, 7:57 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I have been reading discussions about my new Taiwanese BLT's on several groups Both the RBW owners bunch and the tour...@bikelist.org. So I decided to try to clear some facts up and post to both groups. First - someone said they thought the BLT would be a Tank. I used 2 bikes for the weighing and measuring - one was a 52cm (center to center) BLT, and a 54cm (center to Top) Long Haul Trucker. Both bikes were weighed without racks, pedals or water bottle cages. These 2 bikes were very similar size wise. The LHT (with parts that come with the whole bike for $1095) weighed 26 pounds 12 ounces. The BLT weighed 26 pounds 4 ounces - or 1/2 pound lighter than the LHT. Is that a Tank? At least it is less of a Tank than the LHT - it is after all a bike designed for serious loaded touring, not a 15 pound race bike. Second - It has been mentioned that the Head tube was short on the BLT. If one goes only by the headtube length - they are not taking into consideration the length of the fork. The LHT has a head tube that measures 171mm - the BLT measures 170mm. That is shorter but only if you don't take into account that the fork is 2cm longer on the BLT. Bottom Line - on these 2 similar sized bikes - the top of the Handlebars is just over 1 inch (almost 3 cm) higher on the BLT than the LHT with all the Aheadset spacers installed and using the steerer uncut as supplied on the LHT. Also - the BLT comes with a 15 degree rise quill stem, call me Old Fashioned, but, I don't care for the look of an Aheadset stem with 2 or 3 inches of spacers. That said - I can supply the BLT with a Threadless steerer if that is what the customer wants. Also, a steeper rise quill stem can be used to get the bars higher if desired. Another thing to take into account is the weight of the racks. The Surly Racks front and rear weigh in at just under 5.5 pounds (according to their web page). The Bruce Gordon Racks (made in California) weigh in at 2 pounds 10 ounces for the pair. That is a savings of more than 2.75 pounds. That means that the BLT with BG racks would be more than 3.25 pounds lighter than the LHT with Surly racks. Finally, people have mentioned the different cost of the parts groups. This is also because they are comparing apples and oranges. The Groups I have coming are completely LX. The Crankset, cantilever brakes, brake levers, and front derailleur are of much better quality than those spec'ed on the LHT parts group. Finally - the BLT frame packages (including a frame, fork, headset and stem Made in Taiwan, and Front and Rear Bruce Gordon Racks made in California) are on sale till December 24th for $875 that is $100 off the regular price. Check out our blog at brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com Any questions - feel free to give me a call. Regards, Bruce Gordon -www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION ALERT!!! I'm announcing a Sale on the New Taiwanese BLT (Basic Loaded Tour) frames - The offer is good until December 24th. Check the Video out on my Blog Spot - at - http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ Regards and Happy Holidays, Bruce Gordon www.bgcycles.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
On Dec 9, 2:07 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: SHAMELESS SELF-PROMOTION ALERT!!! I'm announcing a Sale on the New Taiwanese BLT (Basic Loaded Tour) frames - The offer is good until December 24th. Check the Video out on my Blog Spot - at -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ First, GREAT VIDEO!!! $100 off list and it comes with his California-made front and rear racks! Wow -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Sorry - I didn't realize I was breaking some rule - it won't happen again. Regards, Bruce Gordon -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R Gonet Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Thanks for sticking up for BG. He's certainly earned the benefit of the doubt. -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of CycloFiend Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 11:31 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles on 10/31/09 4:00 PM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? No. If you access this group via email, it would seem to be a simple thing to delete a Subject line to start a new thread. However, it does not start a new thread thread on the web interface, so what may have been a good-intentioned act to start a new thread may not appear that way to those accessing via the web. I'm inclined to give Bruce the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few discussions of non-Riv models recently, which I think is not particularly helpful to the specificity of this list. Bruce's post was clearly labeled, and I find it to be the equivilent of anyone posting a non-Riv product to the list. Honestly, given his position in terms of active frame builders who were doing it before a good many of us were born (or at least actively cycling), I have a hard time coming down on him posting - my personal opinion is that I would like to see him be financially successful as a framebuilder. He's earned that in my book. On the other hand, this list is about Rivendell products, and I think a number of us are guilty of diverging from that, particularly in the last month or two. Happy Halloween! - Jim / list admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net -- To ensure compliance with Treasury Department regulations, we advise you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any federal tax advice contained in this message was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of (i) avoiding tax-related penalties under the Internal Revenue Code or applicable state or local tax law provisions or (ii) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any tax-related matters addressed herein. This email and any attachments thereto, is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email, and any attachments thereto, is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original copy and any copy of any email, and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Thanks, Jim...I was not able visit here for a couple of weeks because of work (drat...at least I'm on the bike getting there) and, when here, I appreciate it's relative purity. You do good work. Jeff --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Let Jim have the final say, but I don't object to hearing about BG's new models on this list. Now I do draw the line at crabon fibre. Perhaps BG might post to the Boblist instead, if it is verboten on this list? Patrick ear wide open (and what an image that is) to learn of a road bike that will take 65 mm tires plus fenders Moore On 11/1/09, Jeff S avill...@verizon.net wrote: Thanks, Jim...I was not able visit here for a couple of weeks because of work (drat...at least I'm on the bike getting there) and, when here, I appreciate it's relative purity. You do good work. Jeff -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Patrick ear wide open (and what an image that is) to learn of a road bike that will take 65 mm tires plus fenders Moore Definitely will! I have the Bruce made version - the Rock 'n Road. Bruce actually understates tire and fender clearance. I am currently set up with Schwalbe Supremes 700x40 with SKS fenders. There is a lot of space between the tire and fender - Big Apples will fit easy. The thing I like the best about my R'nR is how over built everything is. Heavy tubing. Rugged chain stays. Extra thick powder coat. Even the threads for the rack and bottle cage mounts are thick and precise. Nevertheless, the bike has a nice and - for a tour bike - lively ride. Arguably not as pretty as the Atlantis. But who wants to worry about the occasional scratch or knick while on tour? I already had a full set of Tubus racks, so I did not go with the BG set. I prefer the design of the BG front low rider to the Tubus Tara. The BLTs seem to be a real deal - nice looking frames and racks fro a very good price. On Nov 1, 4:48 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Let Jim have the final say, but I don't object to hearing about BG's new models on this list. Now I do draw the line at crabon fibre. Perhaps BG might post to the Boblist instead, if it is verboten on this list? Patrick ear wide open (and what an image that is) to learn of a road bike that will take 65 mm tires plus fenders Moore On 11/1/09, Jeff S avill...@verizon.net wrote: Thanks, Jim...I was not able visit here for a couple of weeks because of work (drat...at least I'm on the bike getting there) and, when here, I appreciate it's relative purity. You do good work. Jeff -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW at resumespecialt...@gmail.com (505) 227-0523 --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
I don't have any problem with Bruce posting. In fact, I wish he'd say more about it! I am curious, for example, why he went with a unicrown fork. Does it serve some purpose or was it selected to keep costs down on a production frame? On Nov 1, 8:52 am, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: Sorry - I didn't realize I was breaking some rule - it won't happen again. Regards, Bruce Gordon -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R Gonet Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
The arch has a long history of being a go to choice for holding a lot weight for a long time. Unicrown is a strong design that is easier to build but less expensive than heavy duty lugged versions. On Nov 1, 6:15 pm, Aaron Thomas aaron.a.tho...@gmail.com wrote: I don't have any problem with Bruce posting. In fact, I wish he'd say more about it! I am curious, for example, why he went with a unicrown fork. Does it serve some purpose or was it selected to keep costs down on a production frame? On Nov 1, 8:52 am, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: Sorry - I didn't realize I was breaking some rule - it won't happen again. Regards, Bruce Gordon -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of R Gonet Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2009 5:00 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? Actually, after all the Surly threads we have had here of late, I kind of find it refreshing. Much like Riv, BG runs a small operation based around his vision of what a certain kind of bike should be. Surly is a division of a large corporation with an guerilla marketing campaign that somewhat cynically suggests buying one is sticking it to the man. On Oct 31, 7:00 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? On Oct 31, 5:20 pm, Bruce Gordon bgcyc...@svn.net wrote: I know they are not Rivendell's, but, I thought some people on the list might be interested. The New Taiwanese BLT's (Basic Loaded Touring) frames are in stock and ready for viewing at several shops: American Cyclery in San Francisco, CA Black Mountain Cycles in Point Reyes Station, CA The Bicycle Habitat in New York City Velo Classique in Purcellville, VA The Bisbee Bicycle Brothel in Bisbee, AZ Check them out in person if you can - or check them out on the Interweb or on our Blog -http://brucegordoncycles.blogspot.com/ I welcome your comments. Regards, Bruce Gordonwww.bgcycles.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
Actually, after all the Surly threads we have had here of late, I kind of find it refreshing. Much like Riv, BG runs a small operation based around his vision of what a certain kind of bike should be. Surly is a division of a large corporation with an guerilla marketing campaign that somewhat cynically suggests buying one is sticking it to the man. I don't have anything against BG or Surly - like 'em both - but I was just commenting on Gordon's blatant hijacking of the spam string to promote his own products on the RBW forum. I liked your comment about Surly's marketing campaign. I never thought about it but it's true. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
but I was just commenting on Gordon's blatant hijacking of the spam string to promote his own products on the RBW forum. I suspect that might not be quite so blatant but rather more a craftsman born, shall we say, somewhat before the digital era, at work. I don't get all Surlys, but there are some such as the LHT, which appear to be good values. Surly is not the only large company trying to come off as having 'street cred.' People who ought to know better seem to fall for it more with Surly. Not sure why that is. On the other hand, our very own GP has been markedly consistent over the years yet is blamed for all sorts of sneaky behavior. Oh well. No one said life is fair. On Oct 31, 7:59 pm, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Actually, after all the Surly threads we have had here of late, I kind of find it refreshing. Much like Riv, BG runs a small operation based around his vision of what a certain kind of bike should be. Surly is a division of a large corporation with an guerilla marketing campaign that somewhat cynically suggests buying one is sticking it to the man. I don't have anything against BG or Surly - like 'em both - but I was just commenting on Gordon's blatant hijacking of the spam string to promote his own products on the RBW forum. I liked your comment about Surly's marketing campaign. I never thought about it but it's true. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: New Touring Frames from Bruce Gordon Cycles
on 10/31/09 4:00 PM, R Gonet at richard.go...@earthlink.net wrote: Is Bruce Gordon's hijacking of this string to promote his own bikes an example of spam-posting or what? No. If you access this group via email, it would seem to be a simple thing to delete a Subject line to start a new thread. However, it does not start a new thread thread on the web interface, so what may have been a good-intentioned act to start a new thread may not appear that way to those accessing via the web. I'm inclined to give Bruce the benefit of the doubt. There have been a few discussions of non-Riv models recently, which I think is not particularly helpful to the specificity of this list. Bruce's post was clearly labeled, and I find it to be the equivilent of anyone posting a non-Riv product to the list. Honestly, given his position in terms of active frame builders who were doing it before a good many of us were born (or at least actively cycling), I have a hard time coming down on him posting - my personal opinion is that I would like to see him be financially successful as a framebuilder. He's earned that in my book. On the other hand, this list is about Rivendell products, and I think a number of us are guilty of diverging from that, particularly in the last month or two. Happy Halloween! - Jim / list admin -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
