[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

['peech1...@yahoo.com' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I put a velogical on my Sam Hillborne for reason of preserving the wheel 
set and the occasional need for night time lights.  Glad I did that but my 
experience is some dimming of lights on inclines and some slippage in wet 
conditions.  No noticeable drag.  Overall the Velogical is an elegant 
example of German engineering.  I opted to void the warranty on the above 
mentioned lights but no concerns.  Tim

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 10:34:41 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down 
> rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.
>
> Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested 
> in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.
>
> The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with 
> bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture 
>  shows, the 
> Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple 
> wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off. 
>
> Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked 
> picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting 
> is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little 
> noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel 
> is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has 
> been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I 
> deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I 
> hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon. 
>  Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any 
> problems.
>
> I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter. 
>  They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less 
> expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time 
> will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it 
> definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some 
> uses.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Peter White]

Please be aware that Busch & Müller, Wilfried Schmidt Maschinenbau, and
Supernova all state that use of their lights with Velogical dynamos voids
the warrantee on their lights.

Peter White
Peter White Cycles LLC

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 11:40 AM Jonathan Gutoff  wrote:

> I have two Velogical generators, both ordered from directly from Germany.
> One over four year ago, another three. In both cases the customer service
> was really great. Both have been powering B Eycl front lights and
> Toplight Plus rear lights without any problem in rain. There is some noise,
> which, obviously, means some energy loss, but not much. Perhaps because I'm
> not very sensitive, I can't notice any increased effort when the dynamo
> engaged.
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:34:41 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down
>> rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.
>>
>> Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested
>> in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.
>>
>> The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with
>> bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture
>>  shows, the
>> Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple
>> wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off.
>>
>> Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked
>> picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting
>> is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little
>> noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel
>> is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has
>> been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I
>> deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I
>> hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon.
>> Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any
>> problems.
>>
>> I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter.
>> They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less
>> expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time
>> will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it
>> definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some
>> uses.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Patrick Moore]

Good to hear 2 positive reviews of the Velogical, particularly that it can
fully power a real headlamp and a tail light even at slowish speeds, and
that it does not slip when wet.

I now use hub dynamos on 3 of my 4 bikes, but it's good to know that the
Velogical is a *relatively* inexpensive, lightweight alternative. I just
may include a bracket on the next custom I am considering.

On Wed, Aug 7, 2019 at 9:40 AM Jonathan Gutoff  wrote:

> I have two Velogical generators, both ordered from directly from Germany.
> One over four year ago, another three. In both cases the customer service
> was really great. Both have been powering B Eycl front lights and
> Toplight Plus rear lights without any problem in rain. There is some noise,
> which, obviously, means some energy loss, but not much. Perhaps because I'm
> not very sensitive, I can't notice any increased effort when the dynamo
> engaged.
>
> On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:34:41 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>>
>> Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down
>> rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.
>>
>> Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested
>> in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.
>>
>> The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with
>> bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture
>>  shows, the
>> Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple
>> wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off.
>>
>> Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked
>> picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting
>> is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little
>> noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel
>> is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has
>> been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I
>> deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I
>> hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon.
>> Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any
>> problems.
>>
>> I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter.
>> They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less
>> expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time
>> will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it
>> definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some
>> uses.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Jonathan Gutoff]

I have two Velogical generators, both ordered from directly from Germany. 
One over four year ago, another three. In both cases the customer service 
was really great. Both have been powering B Eycl front lights and  
Toplight Plus rear lights without any problem in rain. There is some noise, 
which, obviously, means some energy loss, but not much. Perhaps because I'm 
not very sensitive, I can't notice any increased effort when the dynamo 
engaged.

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 11:34:41 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down 
> rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.
>
> Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested 
> in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.
>
> The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with 
> bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture 
>  shows, the 
> Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple 
> wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off. 
>
> Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked 
> picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting 
> is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little 
> noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel 
> is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has 
> been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I 
> deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I 
> hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon. 
>  Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any 
> problems.
>
> I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter. 
>  They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less 
> expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time 
> will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it 
> definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some 
> uses.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Patrick Moore]

I didn't read your comment that way, FWIW, but I am interested in hearing
how well, or badly, they work with the Edeluxe and Ixon Premium and ilk.

And: If the Velogical does power a, say, Edeluxe, will it power the Edeluxe
and a tail light?

On Thu, Mar 29, 2018 at 9:33 AM, Mat Grewe  wrote:

> I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that the are not compatible, as I do
> not know myself!  Peter said they do not *guarantee* their lights are
> compatible.
>
> On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:28:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights
>> actually work with the Velogical or not?
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  wrote:
>>
>>> Hey Peter,
>>>
>>> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their
>>> lights are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance
>>> changed in the last few years?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mat
>>>
>>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:

 Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are
 compatible with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and
 Wilfried Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with
 Velogical dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using
 their lights with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged
 lights used with Velogical dynamos.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mat Grewe]

I apologize, I didn't mean to imply that the are not compatible, as I do 
not know myself!  Peter said they do not *guarantee* their lights are 
compatible.

On Thursday, March 29, 2018 at 10:28:16 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights 
> actually work with the Velogical or not?
>
> On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  > wrote:
>
>> Hey Peter,
>>
>> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights 
>> are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in 
>> the last few years?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mat
>>
>> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>>>
>>> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible 
>>> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried 
>>> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical 
>>> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights 
>>> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used 
>>> with Velogical dynamos.
>>>
>>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Patrick Moore]

And apology if this was answered earlier, but do B and Schmidt lights
actually work with the Velogical or not?

On Wed, Mar 28, 2018 at 3:12 PM, Mat Grewe  wrote:

> Hey Peter,
>
> Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights
> are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in
> the last few years?
>
> Thanks,
> Mat
>
> On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>>
>> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible
>> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried
>> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical
>> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights
>> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used
>> with Velogical dynamos.
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mat Grewe]

Hey Peter,

Out of curiosity, did B or Schmidt give a reason as to why their lights 
are not compatible with Velogical dynamos?  Or, has their stance changed in 
the last few years?

Thanks,
Mat

On Friday, June 3, 2016 at 10:13:49 AM UTC-5, Peter White wrote:
>
> Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible 
> with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried 
> Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical 
> dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights 
> with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used 
> with Velogical dynamos.
>
> PJW
>
> On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Manos Carabassis  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Matthew,
>>
>>  Nice short review. Very significant that you also have a SON dynohub, so 
>> that you can actually
>> compare the Velogical against the "standard" one.
>>  I'm about to purchase a dynamo, the Velogical seems a nice solution.
>> My main concern is how drag evolves riding at higher speeds, contrary to 
>> dynohubs where output
>> voltage / power tend to stabilize above a speed on the Velogical speed / 
>> voltage and drag seem to 
>> be in a linear relation resulting in rather high drag numbers above 20mph.
>> My question is if you've felt such a drag increase above 20mph. 
>> Also comparing to the SON does the Velogical feel "heavier" at higher 
>> speeds ?
>> I guess the photo represents the actual Velogical dynamo, so you've got 
>> the "Trekking" edition.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Peter White]

Keep in mind that while Velogical says that their dynamos are compatible
with a variety of name brand lights, both Busch & Müller and Wilfried
Schmidt do not guarantee that their lights are compatible with Velogical
dynamos. Both companies have asked me to advise against using their lights
with Velogical dynamos and to deny warrantee claims on damaged lights used
with Velogical dynamos.

PJW

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 3:45 AM, Manos Carabassis 
wrote:

> Hello Matthew,
>
>  Nice short review. Very significant that you also have a SON dynohub, so
> that you can actually
> compare the Velogical against the "standard" one.
>  I'm about to purchase a dynamo, the Velogical seems a nice solution.
> My main concern is how drag evolves riding at higher speeds, contrary to
> dynohubs where output
> voltage / power tend to stabilize above a speed on the Velogical speed /
> voltage and drag seem to
> be in a linear relation resulting in rather high drag numbers above 20mph.
> My question is if you've felt such a drag increase above 20mph.
> Also comparing to the SON does the Velogical feel "heavier" at higher
> speeds ?
> I guess the photo represents the actual Velogical dynamo, so you've got
> the "Trekking" edition.
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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Manos Carabassis]

Hello Matthew,

 Nice short review. Very significant that you also have a SON dynohub, so 
that you can actually
compare the Velogical against the "standard" one.
 I'm about to purchase a dynamo, the Velogical seems a nice solution.
My main concern is how drag evolves riding at higher speeds, contrary to 
dynohubs where output
voltage / power tend to stabilize above a speed on the Velogical speed / 
voltage and drag seem to 
be in a linear relation resulting in rather high drag numbers above 20mph.
My question is if you've felt such a drag increase above 20mph. 
Also comparing to the SON does the Velogical feel "heavier" at higher 
speeds ?
I guess the photo represents the actual Velogical dynamo, so you've got the 
"Trekking" edition.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mike Shaljian]

It does make sense if you are running more than one wheelset. My Jones can't 
use a dynohub so I didn't have a choice, but it's pretty sweet not having to 
invest in two dynohubs to run mountain and slick tires. There's also a 
not-insignificant weight savings to using a 70g bottle dynamo versus heavier 
dynohub options. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Matthew J]

 With Rivendell selling the SP dynamo hubs for $110, that doesn't really 
make a lot of sense to me from an economic standpoint.  

As I say in my OP, my dedicated tour bike has a SON.  Certainly know and 
appreciate the value of a good dyno hub.  The Velogical is significantly 
less expensive than the SON.  So far it is proving to be a good alternative.

 All practical considerations aside, it looks very nice.

Yes, the Velogical is somewhat more expensive than Asian dynos, but it so 
far is proving to be a quality source of all the power I need for lighting 
my commute.  I guess I could have used the extra $75.00 for dinner and bad 
seats at the symphony, but the CSO http://cso.org/ nose bleed seats are 
pretty uncomfortable.  

 I also like the look of your frame, is it stainless or titanium?

KVA http://www.kvastainless.com/bicycles/ stainless.  Surprisingly light, 
yet with its low trail geometry easily managed an approx 20lb on the 
porteur rack last weekend.  Plan to keep finding heavier loads until I find 
its good handling limit.

  

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Mike Shaljian]

They cost about $150 plus ≈ $15 shipping, depending on the exchange rate. I 
bought one recently but have yet to set it up. If you email from the address 
listed on the webpage they respond very quickly.

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Matthew J]

  Plenty for most LED systems, but it *is* less powerful than a dynohub.

Definitely worth repeating that my headlight and taillight are among the 
smallest dyno LEDs available.  

However, the amount of light the two generate given their size is pretty 
amazing.   Still, if I think I am going to be riding at night where is not 
a lot of street lighting and what not, I would probably hook up my usb 
DiNotte tail light to assist the Secula. 

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Matthew J]

I paid with Paypal that does not itemize.  Total payment in March this year 
came to $229.05.  (unless Velogical prices went up believe this would be a 
little lower now with stronger dollar).  That price includes some hardware 
the builder needed to braze on.  Someone buying with the bolt on hardware 
would not need those extras.  

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 mind if I ask the cost?  thanks again

 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:17:51 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Yes, ordered directly from Germany.  I recall but no longer have 
 something in one of the communications from manufacturer that he is in the 
 process of setting up a U.S. distributor.  Appears this has not happened 
 yet.  



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Re: [RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Jim Bronson]

With Rivendell selling the SP dynamo hubs for $110, that doesn't really
make a lot of sense to me from an economic standpoint.  I guess though if
you have to have absolute zero added drag when your lights are off, that
would be one way to do it.  Or if the slight vibration of a dynamo hub
drives you crazy, as it does with some people.

All practical considerations aside, it looks very nice.  I also like the
look of your frame, is it stainless or titanium?

On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 3:28 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote:

 I paid with Paypal that does not itemize.  Total payment in March this
 year came to $229.05.  (unless Velogical prices went up believe this would
 be a little lower now with stronger dollar).  That price includes some
 hardware the builder needed to braze on.  Someone buying with the bolt on
 hardware would not need those extras.


 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:30:47 PM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 mind if I ask the cost?  thanks again

 On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:17:51 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Yes, ordered directly from Germany.  I recall but no longer have
 something in one of the communications from manufacturer that he is in the
 process of setting up a U.S. distributor.  Appears this has not happened
 yet.

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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Ron Mc]

did you order from Germany?  google turns up no shopping results for 
velogical


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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Ron Mc]

mind if I ask the cost?  thanks again

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 12:17:51 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:

 Yes, ordered directly from Germany.  I recall but no longer have something 
 in one of the communications from manufacturer that he is in the process of 
 setting up a U.S. distributor.  Appears this has not happened yet.  



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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Matthew J]

Yes, ordered directly from Germany.  I recall but no longer have something 
in one of the communications from manufacturer that he is in the process of 
setting up a U.S. distributor.  Appears this has not happened yet.  

The process went surprisingly well.  The person who helped me seemed very 
internet and U.S. market savvy.

On Thursday, June 25, 2015 at 10:39:22 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:

 did you order from Germany?  google turns up no shopping results for 
 velogical




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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

[Andrew Marchant-Shapiro]

They work well and are a nice alternative if you want to avoid 
modifying/dedicating a front wheel.  Nevertheless, keep in mind that there 
are a number of dynohubs that are per se less expensive, and only 
marginally more expensive if you build your own wheel.  Further, be aware 
that the Velogical unit, IME, puts out less than 3W.  Plenty for most LED 
systems, but it *is* less powerful than a dynohub.

On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 12:16:40 AM UTC-4, hangtownmatt wrote:

 Matthew,  

 Please keep us posted as you continue to use this device.  It sounds like 
 a great alternative and I'm interested in hearing more real use experiences.

 Matt

 On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 8:34:41 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

 Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down 
 rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.

 Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested 
 in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.

 The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with 
 bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/57976152@N07/17343953555/ shows, the 
 Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple 
 wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off. 

 Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked 
 picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting 
 is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little 
 noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel 
 is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has 
 been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I 
 deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I 
 hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon. 
  Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any 
 problems.

 I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter. 
  They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less 
 expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time 
 will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it 
 definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some 
 uses.



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[RBW] Re: Quickie Velogical Review

['hangtownmatt' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Matthew,  

Please keep us posted as you continue to use this device.  It sounds like a 
great alternative and I'm interested in hearing more real use experiences.

Matt

On Monday, June 22, 2015 at 8:34:41 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

 Finally have my new commuter up and running.  Took it on some shake down 
 rides over the weekend and rode to work this a.m.

 Frame and front rack are custom.  Some on the RBW group may be interested 
 in the Velogical dynamo I am using to power the head lights and tail lights.

 The new frame has a dynamo braze on but you can buy the Velogical with 
 bolt on mounts.  As this builder picture 
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/57976152@N07/17343953555/ shows, the 
 Velogical tucks neatly under the Honjo H-35 fenders.  There is a simple 
 wire lever that either locks the dynamo on to the wheel or off. 

 Lights are Lumotec EYC and Secula - you can see the latter in the linked 
 picture.  Velogical instantly powered both.  Even at low speed the lighting 
 is as bright as I could ever need in the city.  Engaged it makes a little 
 noise - not enough to annoy me - coasting the TT White Industry freewheel 
 is louder  I imagine there has to be drag, but nothing I notice.  It has 
 been pretty wet here in Chicago the last few days (weeks really).  I 
 deliberately rode through puddles.  Velogical did not seem to slip any.  I 
 hope to take the bike on some short tours away from city lights soon. 
  Frankly the lighting appears bright enough that I do not expect any 
 problems.

 I have a SON hub on my tour bike and had one on my previous commuter. 
  They are definitely great power generators.  Velogical is somewhat less 
 expensive, lighter, and allows use of whatever front hub you want.  Time 
 will tell whether these little dynamos are durable.  At this point it 
 definitely appears to be a viable alternative to generator hubs for some 
 uses.


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