Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Dan.

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020 at 12:19 PM Dan Vee  wrote:

> I have a berthoud Aspin and a b17. I find so far that the Aspin is more
> comfortable a little less upright and the b17 is more comfortable if your
> upright.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Dan Vee]

I have a berthoud Aspin and a b17. I find so far that the Aspin is more 
comfortable a little less upright and the b17 is more comfortable if your 
upright.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Palincsar]

I don't know if they still have the program, but five or six years ago 
they did and I took advantage of it. As it turned out, none of their 
saddles worked for me, but it was well worth trying.  Since then, I've 
tried to provide similar assistance to friends by lending them a 
Berthoud Aspin.


On 7/13/20 1:14 PM, 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, 
and they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. 
Before you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. 
Couldn't hurt? Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could 
hurt, but it might save you money. ;)


Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.


https://rivetcycleworks.com/

Good luck!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks John, your Next to last line made me laugh.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 1:14 PM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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> I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, and
> they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. Before
> you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. Couldn't hurt?
> Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could hurt, but it might
> save you money. ;)
>
> Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.
>
> 
> https://rivetcycleworks.com/
>
> Good luck!
>
> John
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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I believe Rivet Cycle Works has a saddle "Try Before You Buy" program, and 
they have a few different saddle widths which might works for you. Before 
you go buying a Berthoud, you might try out Rivet's saddles. Couldn't hurt? 
Well no, we're talking saddles here, so yes it could hurt, but it might 
save you money. ;)

Disclaimer: I've never tried a Rivet, but many people love them.


https://rivetcycleworks.com/

Good luck!

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

I remeasure last night and got 110+30=130.  Thanks

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 10:46 AM 'John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch <
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>   You can purchase Gilles Berthoud saddles from Rene Herse Cycles, the
> Berthoud dealer in the U.S.
>
>   The widest models most like the B17 are the Mente, the Aubisque, and the
> Vars. The Mente is the economy model without the torx head bolts allowing
> you to change leather tops. The Aubisque has steel rails, and the Vars has
> titanium rails, and both allow one to change the leather tops or take apart
> the saddle to replace parts. Rene Herse now carries the Aubisque.
>
>   I ride these saddles because my sit bones are almost 13cm apart, so even
> if I'm stretched out, a wider saddle feels better, and I like my Albatross
> bars lowered to saddle height. I'm definitely not a fan of the very upright
> riding posture, unless I'm stretching & riding hands free. My sit bones
> rest a bit too close to the edge to ride comfortably on the Aspin.
>
>   I would recommend getting the Aubisque, because it gives you the option
> to replace parts, including the leather top, if you ever need to.
>
>   But first, I would recommend measuring your sit bones to make sure how
> wide a saddle you need. The WTB website has a sit bone "calculator", their
> Fit Right System, which I found very easy to use, and accurate (for me at
> least), which uses the width of your wrist. I would give it a whirl before
> you buy:  https://www.wtb.com/pages/fit-right-system
>
> YMMV,
>
> John
>
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['John Phillips' via RBW Owners Bunch]

  You can purchase Gilles Berthoud saddles from Rene Herse Cycles, the 
Berthoud dealer in the U.S. 

  The widest models most like the B17 are the Mente, the Aubisque, and the 
Vars. The Mente is the economy model without the torx head bolts allowing 
you to change leather tops. The Aubisque has steel rails, and the Vars has 
titanium rails, and both allow one to change the leather tops or take apart 
the saddle to replace parts. Rene Herse now carries the Aubisque.

  I ride these saddles because my sit bones are almost 13cm apart, so even 
if I'm stretched out, a wider saddle feels better, and I like my Albatross 
bars lowered to saddle height. I'm definitely not a fan of the very upright 
riding posture, unless I'm stretching & riding hands free. My sit bones 
rest a bit too close to the edge to ride comfortably on the Aspin.

  I would recommend getting the Aubisque, because it gives you the option 
to replace parts, including the leather top, if you ever need to.

  But first, I would recommend measuring your sit bones to make sure how 
wide a saddle you need. The WTB website has a sit bone "calculator", their 
Fit Right System, which I found very easy to use, and accurate (for me at 
least), which uses the width of your wrist. I would give it a whirl before 
you buy:  https://www.wtb.com/pages/fit-right-system

YMMV,

John


On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Ty Graham]

Hi, I bought a Mente from Boulder Bicycle. The transaction was great, the 
saddle not so great. I’ve been a b17 and team pro rider. I was replacing a 
broken b17 Ti. I picked the Mente since it seemed closest in width to the 
b17. I’ve not really been able to get comfortable, though. The shape is 
very different. Thinking I’ll try the arrivis. 

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 10:11:45 AM UTC-7, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve.

On Mon, Jul 13, 2020 at 5:05 AM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> Sorry for the delay.  I have both Berthoud's Aspin and Aravis; the only
> difference is the rail material, steel vs titanium.  I also have a Rivet
> Independence.  Important to me is they all have the cutout, which makes a
> huge difference in comfort.  I also like the narrowness as I have pretty
> thick thighs.  As for the Rivet, it is a stiffer saddle than the Berthouds,
> not quite as comfortable.  I wanted to try it and am still deciding whether
> to keep it on the bike it inhabits.  Good Luck,
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Cole]

Joel,

Sorry for the delay.  I have both Berthoud's Aspin and Aravis; the only 
difference is the rail material, steel vs titanium.  I also have a Rivet 
Independence.  Important to me is they all have the cutout, which makes a 
huge difference in comfort.  I also like the narrowness as I have pretty 
thick thighs.  As for the Rivet, it is a stiffer saddle than the Berthouds, 
not quite as comfortable.  I wanted to try it and am still deciding whether 
to keep it on the bike it inhabits.  Good Luck,

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[John Philip]

I've tried the lot and like the Berthoud and Rivet saddles best.  The Mente 
however didn't work for me and I gave it away. I suspect I was not upright 
enough.  For a wider upright saddle my favorite is the Rivet Imogene. I 
found it comfortable out of the box.  I got the unslotted allroad model. 

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

['Dave Small' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Hi Joel,

I've ridden (and still ride) Brooks B-17 and Berthoud Mente and Aspin 
saddles.  The widths from widest to narrowest is Mente > B-17 > Aspin.  My 
sit bones are 125mm apart, and which saddle I like best depends on the type 
of riding I do on it.  For touring, the Mente wins.  For general riding I 
like the B-17.  For faster-paced riding I like the Aspin or B-17.  

There's more to it then just width, though.  The shapes differ, with the 
Berthoud being flatter front to back and the B-17 being slightly dippy in 
the middle.  How it feels also depends on how upright you ride.  You really 
need to try them to know, which is always the case with saddles.  The only 
objective comment I'd make is that with sit bones 35mm narrower than mine, 
I'd guess that the Mente would feel too wide for you.   

Dave
Boston/Indy

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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Palincsar]

On 7/12/20 1:22 PM, Joel Stern wrote:

 What do you think of Berthoud vs. Brooks?




I think for me, the Berthoud shapes are better.  Also, the Berthoud 
tension adjustment mechanism is superior.  I like the built-in bag loops 
on the Berthoud much better than the metal ones (if present) on Brooks 
saddles.  Also Berthoud leather is much better than what Brooks is using 
these days.


However, regardless of the convenience of the tension adjuster and the 
built in bag loops, if the shape doesn't fit you as well as Brooks, then 
it's not for you.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Joel Stern]

Thanks Steve, zi wasn’t sure if that was a good way to go.  Have you ridden
the Mente? What do you think of Berthoud vs. Brooks?

On Sun, Jul 12, 2020 at 1:17 PM Steve Cole  wrote:

> Joel,
>
> You can purchase directly from Gilles Berthoud in France.  The website has
> an English-language version and purchase and receipt has gone perfectly for
> me on several items.
>
> Steve Cole
> Arlington, VA
>
> On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>>
>> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as
>> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old
>> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then
>> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles.
>> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the
>> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay
>> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but
>> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather
>> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if
>> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.
>> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart,
>> +20=110mm.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Reading saddle threads, B17, Berthoud Mente

[Steve Cole]

Joel,

You can purchase directly from Gilles Berthoud in France.  The website has 
an English-language version and purchase and receipt has gone perfectly for 
me on several items.   

Steve Cole
Arlington, VA

On Sunday, July 12, 2020 at 1:11:45 PM UTC-4, Joel Stern wrote:
>
> I’ve ridden Brooks forever, I had decided to try narrower than my B68 as 
> Oi rubs my inner thigh and is annoying. So I started reading on my old 
> trusty B17.  Wow, so many models and opinions, now some discontinued.  Then 
> I stumbled onto a few (many) comments and threads on Berthoud saddles. 
> Looking at their page I see the Mente is closest in size to the B17, the 
> rest are narrower.  But they seem to not be available unless from an eBay 
> sellers who sell at a very high price.  I ride upright, not 90 degrees but 
> closer than not.  I did read some comments on the durability of the leather 
> which may have been caused by putting Proofide  on it.  Just wondering if 
> any members who ride upright have used the saddle and how they like it.   
> Not sure if this helps but my sitbones seem to ne a out 90mm apart, 
> +20=110mm.  
>

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