[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[lum gim fong]

 I wish that they would run a short run of a super lightweight Flexi road 
model. They do short runs of bikes like this and the Bubbe it would be cool if 
they did a super Flexi light one one day. Would be cool to see what they make 
in that style.
 Yes I know that's not their thing so please don't flame I already know. Just 
expressing a wish.

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

What I wish was also mentioned was 'stack and reach'.
It's 'easy' to plug these numbers into a CAD program (bikecad, rattlecad) 
to find them, but seems like a really quick thing for RBW to start 
including as well.

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Adam Kilgas]

On Wednesday, December 13, 2017 at 8:26:31 PM UTC-5, Belopsky wrote:
> The full geometry is on the roadini page. RBW did not make links stand out 
> with the latest design/CSS.
> Here you all go:
> 
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-470-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416x
> 
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-500-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
> 
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
> 
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-570-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416
> 
> https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-610-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416


I can't quite tell... But are both the top and downtube baseball-bat style 
(28.6 - 31.8), or just the toptube?

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The full geometry is on the roadini page. RBW did not make links stand out 
with the latest design/CSS.
Here you all go:

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-470-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416x

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-500-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-540-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-570-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/files/ROADINI-610-Geo.jpg?7649874663519573416

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Adam Kilgas]

On Thursday, November 30, 2017 at 1:07:48 PM UTC-5, tc wrote:
> Regarding Roadini vs Sam, for those who've ridden both, what's the main diff? 
>  Roadini frame is ~$400 less than Sam, so that's obvious.  But geo-wise the 
> 57 Roadini seems abt same as 58 Sam, the Roadini being a little less slack, 
> but not much.  Sam I'm guessing is a little heavier, better suited for any 
> mild off-roading.  Anything else?
> 


I've been wondering about this as well.  Is there a Roadini print available?  I 
know it uses Silver tubing, but I'm curious about the butting and such compared 
to the Sam.  Just curiosity.

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

Anyone catch the Roadini on the BlueLug blog?

https://bluelug.com/blog/hatagaya/hatagaya-bike-check-3/

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Max S]

Tire clearance, 47 vs. 35 sans fenders, if I’m not mistaken?.. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[tc]

Regarding Roadini vs Sam, for those who've ridden both, what's the main 
diff?  Roadini frame is ~$400 less than Sam, so that's obvious.  But 
geo-wise the 57 Roadini seems abt same as 58 Sam, the Roadini being a 
little less slack, but not much.  Sam I'm guessing is a little heavier, 
better suited for any mild off-roading.  Anything else?

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 3:21:34 PM UTC-4, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The only thing I have to add is I've heard great things about the R460. 
They build up really well and are solid.
I have a set being laced to Shimano 5800 hubs for my Gunnar

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I have the same rim on my front dyno-wheel.
Any issues? I've had mine for about a year and really like it.

Jay

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 10:51:13 PM UTC+2, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Thanks Rich,
> Those are DT Swiss R460 rims: 23mm outside, 18mm inside.
> Nels
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, RichS wrote:
>
>> Nels, your Roadini looks great! What brand are the rims and how wide are 
>> they (outside width).
>>
>> Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your 
>> former Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain 
>> stays. I guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?
>>
>> I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain 
>> stays is  a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Richard
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:54 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Nels Sorenson  wrote:
>>
>> Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm 
>> liking the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less 
>> nervous and still fast with the Jack Browns.
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>>
>>> It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely 
>>> available yet.
>>>
>>> I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality 
>>> and that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road 
>>> Standard) is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with 
>>> newer rings).
>>>
>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>>
 The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, 
 and the Potenza group as well.
 Veloce, for instance: 
 https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD

 Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 
 which was a great deal IMO

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

That is a damn fine looking bike :)


On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 11:43:54 AM UTC-6, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm 
> liking the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less 
> nervous and still fast with the Jack Browns.
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely 
>> available yet.
>>
>> I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and 
>> that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) 
>> is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>>> The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, 
>>> and the Potenza group as well.
>>> Veloce, for instance: 
>>> https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD
>>>
>>> Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 
>>> which was a great deal IMO
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Nels Sorenson]

Thanks Rich,
Those are DT Swiss R460 rims: 23mm outside, 18mm inside.
Nels

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 12:01:45 PM UTC-8, RichS wrote:

> Nels, your Roadini looks great! What brand are the rims and how wide are 
> they (outside width).
>
> Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your 
> former Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain 
> stays. I guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?
>
> I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain stays 
> is  a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.
>
> Best regards,
> Richard
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:54 PM, R Shannon  
> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Nels Sorenson  > wrote:
>
> Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm 
> liking the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less 
> nervous and still fast with the Jack Browns.
>
> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely 
>> available yet.
>>
>> I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and 
>> that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) 
>> is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>
>>> The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, 
>>> and the Potenza group as well.
>>> Veloce, for instance: 
>>> https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD
>>>
>>> Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 
>>> which was a great deal IMO
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Tim Gavin]

>
>
>
> Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your
> former Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain
> stays. I guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?
>
> I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain stays
> is  a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.
>
>
Richard-

Yes, the vintage Mavic Open Pro

is a skinny, road race-centric rim.   15 mm internal, 19 mm external
width.  (Mavic recently re-designed the Open Pro to 19 mm internal / 23 mm
external width

).
Most tires were ~2 mm skinnier than labeled size on those rims.  Your setup
(35 mm Paselas on 22.5 mm rims) probably results in about the same measured
width.


Though I don't need or really want a "road" bike, I picked up the Roadeo
frameset from a listmember
The gorgeous grey/kidney red colorway (a la 1G Hunq) and the low price
tempted me.  But, what sealed the deal for me was I could re-use most of
the build from my existing road bike, a 90s Giordana to save money.  Hence
why my Roadeo was built up with those wheels and 8 speed Sachs/Campagnolo
Ergopower.

But, my riding habits never really changed with the Roadeo, even though it
was a more versatile road bike than I had before.  I just like to wander
off the pavement, so I rarely chose the Roadeo.  In order to ride the
Roadeo, I had to decide to stay on-pavement, which gets real boring.  So, I
passed it on to a listmember in Singapore (hefty shipping!).

I'll keep my 650-converted Riv Road Standard for road/touring rides (with
occasional gravel), and my other bikes, each more dirt-oriented than the
last.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[R Shannon]

Nels, your Roadini looks great! What brand are the rims and how wide are they 
(outside width).

Tim, thanks for those revealing pictures of the tire clearance on your former 
Roadeo. Surprised you could fit a 38mm wide tire between the chain stays. I 
guess the Open Pro rims are what. . . 20mm outside width?

I’ve been building a Roadeo and max tire I can fit between the chain stays is  
a 35mm Pasela on a 22.5mm Sun rim.

Best regards,
Richard

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 2:54 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Nels Sorenson  wrote:
>> 
>> Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm liking 
>> the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less nervous 
>> and still fast with the Jack Browns.
>> 
>>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>> It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely 
>>> available yet.
>>> 
>>> I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and 
>>> that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) 
>>> is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).
>>> 
 On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
 The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and 
 the Potenza group as well.
 Veloce, for instance: 
 https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD
 
 Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[R Shannon]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 29, 2017, at 12:43 PM, Nels Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Here are some updated pics of current iteration Grilver Roadini.  I'm liking 
> the Berthoud saddle and wider tires/rims.  Ride is smoother, less nervous and 
> still fast with the Jack Browns.
> 
>> On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 5:34:46 AM UTC-8, Tim Gavin wrote:
>> It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely 
>> available yet.
>> 
>> I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and 
>> that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard) is 
>> still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).
>> 
>>> On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 8:37 PM, Belopsky  wrote:
>>> The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and 
>>> the Potenza group as well.
>>> Veloce, for instance: 
>>> https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD
>>> 
>>> Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 which 
>>> was a great deal IMO
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Tim Gavin]

It looks like Centaur is new this summer, so maybe it's just not widely
available yet.

I can't see myself buying new Campagnolo, but I respect their quality and
that they keep making a couple silver gruppos.  My Riv (97 Road Standard)
is still on its original Racing Triple BB and crankset (with newer rings).

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> The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and
> the Potenza group as well.
> Veloce, for instance: https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-
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> Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370
> which was a great deal IMO
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[iamkeith]

( I meant to say R-539 brakes on both of the above instances - not 533 )

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

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I'm curious about Don's comments regarding tire clearance.  Does the Roadeo 
really have more chainstay clearance than the Rambouillet?  It sure doesn't 
look like it in the last thumbnail image currently on the website. I'm also not 
sure this is the critical area -  I would have guessed that the brakes are what 
determines. 

And is it really possible to stuff a fatter tire in the Roadini than specified? 
The numbers cited by Riv for both the Roadeo and Roadini are 35 w/o and 28 w/ 
fender.  (33.3 is "guaranteed" max for roadeo.)  This is roughly the same as 
the Ram but, with the 533 tektro upgrade, I've got 33.3 WITH fenders 
comfortably on mine.

(I have heard that the early Rams had less clearance, so maybe that's the 
difference?)

I need another road bike like I need a hole in the head and i quit paying close 
attention to the Roadini when the sizes changed, but the prospect of fatter 
tires could make me reconsider.  Other than brakes, I could do the entire build 
with parts from my no-longer-used-because-the-tires-are-too-skinny RB-1.

Also interesting:  I cant find the tektro 539 brake on the website.  Did they 
quit carrying it?  Odd if so, because it seems like the ideal brake for these 
frames.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The Centaur, that is. Veloce 10speed is still relatively easy to find, and 
the Potenza group as well.
Veloce, for 
instance: 
https://www.raceviewcycles.com/campagnolo-veloce-groupset-2015-10-speed-silver?language=en=USD

Sometime last winter/spring/summer I saw the Veloce groupset for ~370 which 
was a great deal IMO

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chris:

I also have a San Marcos and have long lusted after the Roadeo (which 
doesn't come in my size). The Roadini seemed very similar to my current 
bike and I would be interested to know the differences. Please post how 
they compare once your new bike gets in.

Ann

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> Interesting.  I am getting a Roadini and the San Marcos is currently my 
> favorite fast bike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Interesting.  I am getting a Roadini and the San Marcos is currently my 
favorite fast bike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

I have a Ram, a Rom, A Roadeo, a Soma San Marcos (see a pattern here?) and 
I find that the Roadini is closest to the San Marcos, then the Ram/Rom, and 
least like the Roadeo.  YMMV.

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>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
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>>> looming build.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Don Compton]

Just looking at the Roadini frame from the side, it looks like it has the 
longer chainstays of the Ram vs the Roadeo. The Ram had less room between 
the chain stays ( width) than a Roadeo or many of their current models. I 
bet that the Roadini is a great road bike that can handle today's fat but 
lightweight tires.

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>
> Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a 
> Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear) 
> that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
> The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit 
> sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv 
> Road customs. 
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  > wrote:
>
>> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. 
>> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat 
>> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>>
>> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>>
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>>> looming build.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

The Roadini is a nice looking bike, and I totally understand the reason to 
go with a sloping top tube.
The other thing Grant didn't say in regards to this model but, the sloping 
top tube allows them to make less frame sizes to fit more people/sell more 
bikes :)

IMO i very much dislike sloping top tubes unless it's a mixte or a 
step-through thing

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Then again, maybe you're ready now for sedate and stoutish...

>From what the designer has said several times since the model was 
announced, the Roadini was more or less created to be a less expensive 
alternative to the company's "road bike" model, ie, the Roadeo. I did not 
look to compare the geometries between the Roadini and the Ram, but if you 
are of the J. Heine School of Planing, it may be that, rather than geometry 
differences between the three models, a slightly thicker tubeset, while not 
of any consequence weight-wise, could dampen the "spirited riding" ever so 
little of a bit as to put the Roadini more in the Ram than the Roadeo 
territory in terms of road feel. If so, I suspect that would not affect the 
great majority of people who want a go out for a 20-60 mile fast 
recreational ride type of bike. Especially those who never had a Ram which 
they felt was too sedate.

in 2015 we sketched out a bike with the ride of the roadeo and all the 
qualties a road bike should have. it’s safe, comfortable, good for all 
roads & weather, and fun to ride. this June we’ll have it: the 
italian-sounding roadini. 

*Roadeo vs RoADini *

1. the roadeo has lighter tubes, but roadini’s tubes are light enough. 
they’re our own silver design, but we’ve chopped from the big-butted ends 
to minimize weight. it’s probably slightly stronger than necessary. 

2. the same tire clearances —up to a 35mm with no fenders, and easily a 
28mm w/fenders. 

3. roadini’s chainstays are a hair longer than the roadeo’s (which are 
already longer than most)—so it’s more stable, but still zippy. 

4. the roadini top tube slopes up more, so it’s easier to get the bars 
high. your roadini size is 2-3cm smaller than your roadeo size. 

5. the roadeo frame is made in america and is all lugged, which makes it 
our flagship road bike. the roadini frame is made in taiwan, is tig-welded 
except for a seat lug, weighs a few ounces more, and costs $1,450 less

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>
>  Are you saying (I want to be very clear) that the Roadini is closer in 
> design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?
>
>  I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit sedate and 
> stoutish 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Patrick Moore]

Don: I'm at least somewhat personally interested, having owned and sold a
Ram and yearned after a Roadeo. Are you saying (I want to be very clear)
that the Roadini is closer in design to the Ram than to the Roadeo?

The reason: I thought the Ram was a very nice bike, but it was a wee bit
sedate and stoutish to fill a useful niche in my stable alongside 2 Riv
Road customs.

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 9:02 PM, Don Compton  wrote:

> I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past.
> With the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat
> tires, the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.
>
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Don Compton]

I currently own a 59cm Roadeo and owned a 60cm Rambouilet in the past. With 
the exception of the sloping top tube and the extra space for fat tires, 
the Roadini's geo looks very similar to a Ram.

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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

My grilver was delivered a few days ago and to my surprise came with a 
packing tape gun inside the main triangle!  I know that the seatpost, HS 
and BB were included, but the tape gun was a nice extra.  Anyways, after 
collecting all of the various and sundry parts I built it up over the 
holiday weekend and took it for the maiden voyage.  I built it with 8 speed 
bits and leftover wheels.  I'm not a big fan of the 31.8 DT which required 
a jury rigged clamp, and the Panaracer tires will not last long.  The ride 
was as expected; a fun do all, go anywhere but large rock gardens bike.  A 
nice, long wheel base and extra tall HT.   Just the way I like it.  Thanks 
Grant for calling me to switch my size from 57 to 54!  The fit is spot on.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Paul Y]

Hi Richard,

Don’t think I’m in any position to comment on that, but I think they are 
practically similar based on the literature.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Belopsky]

Roadeo (iirc) is made of thinner tubing and comes in more sizes.
The geometry is also different.

I am so hung up on the sloping top tubes on bikes that I asked Gunnar to 
make my custom w/ as horizontal top tube as possible,.

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>
> Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than 
> the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on 
> the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Richard  
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Paul Y  
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>> That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle 
>> is a very fun touch!
>> What cranks are those?
>> Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of 
>> my grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>>>
>>> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems 
>>> to see which is the ticket.
>>> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few 
>>> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>>>
>>> Nels
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I'm not Paul, but I can tell you that, given the same parts hanging off the 
frame and fork, the difference in weight will be minimal--ounces, not 
pounds. Slightly more metal in the tubing, but less tubing for a given 
size. Essentially weight between the two should be a non-factor, unless 
perhaps you are intent on building a sub-20 pound road machine. It is 
mostly a choice between affordability and aesthetics, though you can get 
the Roadeo in more sizes, for those whose body cannot be accommodated by a 
more general fit.

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>
> Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than 
> the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on 
> the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.
>
> Thanks very much,
> Richard  
>
> On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Paul Y  
> wrote:
>
>> That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle 
>> is a very fun touch!
>> What cranks are those?
>> Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of 
>> my grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>>>
>>> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems 
>>> to see which is the ticket.
>>> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few 
>>> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>>>
>>> Nels
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[R Shannon]

Paul, I'm curious. Do you think the Roadini would be much different than
the Roadeo? They seem comparable other than frame tubes, number of lugs on
the Roadeo and perhaps a couple of pounds weight difference.

Thanks very much,
Richard

On Fri, Nov 3, 2017 at 12:50 AM, Paul Y  wrote:

> That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle
> is a very fun touch!
> What cranks are those?
> Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my
> grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.
>
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>>
>> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to
>> see which is the ticket.
>> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few
>> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>>
>> Nels
>>
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Paul Y]

That looks fantastic Nels, the Grilver is gorgeous. Your colorful saddle is 
a very fun touch!
What cranks are those?
Looking at your build makes me want to take all the useful stuff off of my 
grey/red Roadeo and go blasting.


On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 11:32:09 PM UTC+8, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to 
> see which is the ticket.
> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few 
> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>
> Nels
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[RichS]

Nels, you've got a great looking pair of Rivs there! Love the curve on the 
Roadini fork. Nice pics too!

Regards,
Richard 

On Wednesday, November 1, 2017 at 8:14:53 PM UTC-4, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Thought I'd give an update and short ride impressions of my 51 Roadini.   
> I've got about a hundred miles on the Grilver beauty now and am pleased to 
> be able to ride drop bars again after many years of "comfy" bikes. 
> I took a few short 8 mile rides while building up trying out different 
> iterations of parts.  The bike felt wonderful on those rides rewarding 
> effort with smooth speed.  The subtle ovalizing of the tubing really 
> stiffens up the bottom bracket and this bike is very responsive when 
> climbing and sprinting
> .  
> On the weekend I took a serious 42 mile, 3000'  out and back ride down to 
> the Columbia River in Central Washington where I live.  I was a 
> little sore and bonked after that one. The next day I did a  nice mellow 35 
> mile ride with some snacks.  The ride is smooth and fast and comfy with the 
> long stays.  Very stable even though I have some skinny wheels with 28 mm 
> tires for now.  Looking forward to some wider rims and tires. 
> Here are a couple pics of the Roadini and Clem Jr., my budget Riv beauties.
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>
>> If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the 
>> stack. 
>>
>> Jay
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Sky Coulter]

Both bikes look fantastic Nels!  And your Roadini is making me wonder how the 
ride would compare w my Romulus.

Sky in new west

> On Nov 1, 2017, at 3:17 PM, Nels Sorenson  wrote:
> 
> Thought I'd give an update and short ride impressions of my 51 Roadini.  
> I've got about a hundred miles on the Grilver beauty now and am pleased to be 
> able to ride drop bars again after many years of "comfy" bikes. 
> I took a few short 8 mile rides while building up trying out different 
> iterations of parts.  The bike felt wonderful on those rides rewarding effort 
> with smooth speed.  The subtle ovalizing of the tubing really stiffens up the 
> bottom bracket and this bike is very responsive when climbing and sprinting
> . 
> On the weekend I took a serious 42 mile, 3000'  out and back ride down to the 
> Columbia River in Central Washington where I live.  I was a little sore and 
> bonked after that one. The next day I did a  nice mellow 35 mile ride with 
> some snacks.  The ride is smooth and fast and comfy with the long stays.  
> Very stable even though I have some skinny wheels with 28 mm tires for now.  
> Looking forward to some wider rims and tires. 
> Here are a couple pics of the Roadini and Clem Jr., my budget Riv beauties.
> 
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 12:25:48 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:
>> If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the 
>> stack. 
>> 
>> Jay
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[William R.]

Very nice Nels. The scrub is a great backdrop. Central Washington is so 
different. It looks like the high plains or desert! Enjoy your Rivs, I sure am 
enjoying mine!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Ian A]

+1. The Roadini looks super sharp, and that butterscotch colour on the Clem is 
really nice.

A good brace of bicycles. 

IanA

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Very,very nice!  I like your builds

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Joe Bernard]

I dig it. The butternut Clem is suave, too. 

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Jay Connolly]

If anyone has a 61, I’d love to know the virtual top tube length and the stack.

Jay

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Daniel D.]

Picked mine up yesterday.  Really happy with the blue.  Pointed tips with 
contrasting paint and the paw prints are really nice touches











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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Ed Carolipio]

Congrats, Nels, and thanks for sharing.

--Ed C.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 8:32:09 AM UTC-7, Nels Sorenson wrote:
>
> Frame arrived yesterday, did a quick built up and now trying out stems to 
> see which is the ticket.
> This is the first drop-bar bike I've had in twenty years.  After a few 
> short test rides I think I'll be able to do drop bars again!
>
> Nels
>
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2017 at 5:09:11 AM UTC-7, islaysteve wrote:
>
>> So I guess that the Roadini is the new Bleriot, only, you know, not 
>> 650b.  I say this as a Bleriot owner.  I took a good look at the photos on 
>> the Riv site last night and it's a great-looking bike.  Similar price point 
>> to where the Bleriot was, and the blue color is even quite similar.  I 
>> personally think the Grilver is very nice, would choose that one.  I'm sure 
>> that the new owners will enjoy their Roadinis immensely and I look forward 
>> to build photos.  Cheers,
>> Steve Alkire
>> Kensington, MD
>>
>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> It's usually me who builds fast and wants to show off, but I didn't buy 
>>> a Roadini, so it won't be me this time.  :-)
>>>
>>> Speaking of quick builds, I'll start a new thread...
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:12:02 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:

 Got the call yesterday too.  Gotta make time to go pick it up.  Wonder 
 who's going to be the first to show off their build?



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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[islaysteve]

So I guess that the Roadini is the new Bleriot, only, you know, not 650b.  
I say this as a Bleriot owner.  I took a good look at the photos on the Riv 
site last night and it's a great-looking bike.  Similar price point to 
where the Bleriot was, and the blue color is even quite similar.  I 
personally think the Grilver is very nice, would choose that one.  I'm sure 
that the new owners will enjoy their Roadinis immensely and I look forward 
to build photos.  Cheers,
Steve Alkire
Kensington, MD

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 3:27:46 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> It's usually me who builds fast and wants to show off, but I didn't buy a 
> Roadini, so it won't be me this time.  :-)
>
> Speaking of quick builds, I'll start a new thread...
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:12:02 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Got the call yesterday too.  Gotta make time to go pick it up.  Wonder 
>> who's going to be the first to show off their build?
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Bill Lindsay]

It's usually me who builds fast and wants to show off, but I didn't buy a 
Roadini, so it won't be me this time.  :-)

Speaking of quick builds, I'll start a new thread...

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, October 18, 2017 at 12:12:02 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>
> Got the call yesterday too.  Gotta make time to go pick it up.  Wonder 
> who's going to be the first to show off their build?
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Daniel D.]

Got the call yesterday too.  Gotta make time to go pick it up.  Wonder 
who's going to be the first to show off their build?

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[William R.]

Will called me last night. My 57cm Grilver Roadini is there. I am building it 
up myself so the frame should be on its way to me today. Can’t wait!

Bill in Westchester, NY

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[LBleriot]

Grant called me yesterday.  We switched up the size based on our 
discussion, and my frameset should be shipping out this week.

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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Nels Sorenson]

Mine's getting prepped for shipping right now.  Got the call from Mark 
yesterday, looking forward to building this up on the weekend!
Nels

On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 6:07:24 PM UTC-7, Jay Connolly wrote:

> Dave told me a while back that they could be in as early as October 6th. 
> I'm sure we'd know if that had happened. I'm not getting a Roadini, but 
> I've been watching the site for builds and frames because after the 
> Roadinis are in, the Big Clem L's will be next!
>
> Jay
>
>
> On Sunday, October 15, 2017 at 12:21:34 PM UTC-7, Daniel D. wrote:
>>
>> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
>> looming build.
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Roadinis could be arriving any day now?

[Jay Connolly]

Dave told me a while back that they could be in as early as October 6th. 
I'm sure we'd know if that had happened. I'm not getting a Roadini, but 
I've been watching the site for builds and frames because after the 
Roadinis are in, the Big Clem L's will be next!

Jay


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> Anxiously awaiting their arrival.  Got all my parts, excited for the 
> looming build.
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