[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack/F-15 Rack and Trunksack For Sale-Grid Grey

2012-02-17 Thread Peter Morgano
Sorry all away from computer today, these are sold.  Thanks.
On Feb 14, 2012 10:23 PM, Peter M uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote:

 Have a tentative agreement to buy a Slickersack and Platrack so need
 to make space or my wife will really just kill me, haha. So have my
 Gridgrey barsack with F-15 rack for sale for $160 and the small grid-
 grey Trunksack for sale for 55 bucks. Prices include shipping to all
 48 states. Here is a link to my Flikr account showing bags mounted to
 my bike http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ . Bags have very
 little usage, have never gotten wet and still look new. Thanks.

 Peter

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack headlight compatibility?

2011-07-19 Thread Peter Pesce
I did a BarSack hack and mount the 'Sack to my Mark's Rack.
Didn't like the idea of having to get the Nitto thing that's a total 
mono-tasker. Seems a bit un-Riv-ish to me, actually.

My light (BM Ixon) mounts to the front tab of the rack, so there's no 
interference.
(Sorry, I know this isn't really an answer to your question, but I had a 
similar concern so just avoided the problem altogether)

-Pete
(been a hack since way back...)

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-10-06 Thread Erik C
Thanks for responding Thomas! I'm afraid I have no experience with the
slicker sack, but your info was very helpful.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack

2010-04-02 Thread Erik C
I know the nitto F-15 still isn't in stock. However, it is my
understanding that riv had some bags previously that used this set-up.
Can any one speak to the front end behavior with the higher load? I'm
weighing my options between this set-up and a decaleur/front rack
mounted bag.

-Erik C

On Mar 25, 5:47 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
 Jay, actually it does, since you're talking about hackable design features.

 With all those issues, what does the BarSack offer that the Acorn doesn't?
 Or the Campagne or the Zugster, for that matter?  Due to the BarSack's
 positioning, especially on a Rivvish/Bobbish positioning, I don't see good
 front end behavior coming out of this.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack

2010-03-25 Thread Ken Freeman
Jay, actually it does, since you're talking about hackable design features.

With all those issues, what does the BarSack offer that the Acorn doesn't?
Or the Campagne or the Zugster, for that matter?  Due to the BarSack's
positioning, especially on a Rivvish/Bobbish positioning, I don't see good
front end behavior coming out of this.

So far I'm hacking my old Rhode Gear bag to suit a top/bottom mount.  This
will move it about two inches closer to the steering axis and two inches
lower.  This will reduce the bag's effect on fork moment of inertia
considerably, which can't be a bad thing.  The bike was showing some
not-good handling features due to positioning the bag high and three inches
or so out from the 'bar.  It should be improved.

On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 2:01 PM, J. Burkhalter burk...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I don't think there is anything inherently special about the mounting
 of this bag that would prevent you from hacking it for use with a
 decaleur and front rack.  I'm still waiting on the F-15 Nitto rack so
 haven't tried the BarSack yet, but here are some things I would
 consider before using this bag with a decaleur/front rack setup...

 1. There is no horizontal leather strip along the top edge of the rear
 of the bag where one would typically attach a decaleur.  Instead there
 is a 2-snap leather tab and the magnets for securing the lid.
 2. There is no slot or strap on the rear of the bag to attach to the
 vertical part of a front Nitto or Berthoud rack.
 3. There are no stiffeners in the bag.  The stiffener out of my Acorn
 Rando bag fits in the Riv Barsack well, but would still need securing
 at the top.

 IMO, for $135 this bag is a screaming deal, given the high quality
 materials, craftsmanship, and design.

 Hope this helps,
 -Jay
 Denver, CO



 On Mar 24, 7:29 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
  That's been my thinking, too.  I guess the underlying question is whether
  Grant is prone to hyperbole, since I don't really follow Riv too closely.
  It's either an amazing statement, an incomplete statement (as you
 suggest),
  or sales fluffle (e.g, hyperbole).
 
  I'm in the middle of modifying my old Rhode Gear bag to take a decaleur
 so I
  can test my Woodrup's geometry.  I really don't see why any flat-bottomed
  bag that can accept a decaleur at the right height can't be front-racked.
 
  I'm just wondering if there's anything really special about this bag from
 a
  mounting point of view.  Looks to me like not.
 
 
 
 
 
  On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com
 wrote:
   On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:07 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
Has anyone tried one yet?  Whadd'ya think?
 
The on-line page says it must be used with the special Nitto F15
 rack,
which mounts to the handlebar.  Anybody see why?  Why can't it be
 used
with a decaleur and a little front bag rack, like a TA, Berthoud, or
Nitto?
 
   I see no reason why it couln't be used that way, Ken.  I modified one
 of
   the original Kirtland Tour Paks (which also were originally meant to be
   supported by rods, only the Kirtland hooked over the stem rather than
   bolted to it like the Nitto) so I could use it with a VO front rack and
   a Berthoud Decaleur
 
  http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668210913/in/set-721576061.
 ..
   and I've seen one of the old Riv Boxy Bags mounted that way also.
 
   I think the intent is to say you can't just strap it onto the
 handlebars
   and let it hang loose, like you can with some of the other Riv
 handlebar
   bags.
 
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[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack

2010-03-24 Thread MKahrl
I really liked the original handlebar brackets for Kirtland front
bags.   It was very easy to take on and off the bike and you didn't
need elastic bungees going down to the fork dropout eyelets.  There
was also a handlebar waterbottle cage that mounted in a similar manner
that was also easy to swap on and off as needed.

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[RBW] Re: Sackville Barsack

2010-03-24 Thread J. Burkhalter
I don't think there is anything inherently special about the mounting
of this bag that would prevent you from hacking it for use with a
decaleur and front rack.  I'm still waiting on the F-15 Nitto rack so
haven't tried the BarSack yet, but here are some things I would
consider before using this bag with a decaleur/front rack setup...

1. There is no horizontal leather strip along the top edge of the rear
of the bag where one would typically attach a decaleur.  Instead there
is a 2-snap leather tab and the magnets for securing the lid.
2. There is no slot or strap on the rear of the bag to attach to the
vertical part of a front Nitto or Berthoud rack.
3. There are no stiffeners in the bag.  The stiffener out of my Acorn
Rando bag fits in the Riv Barsack well, but would still need securing
at the top.

IMO, for $135 this bag is a screaming deal, given the high quality
materials, craftsmanship, and design.

Hope this helps,
-Jay
Denver, CO



On Mar 24, 7:29 am, Ken Freeman kenfreeman...@gmail.com wrote:
 That's been my thinking, too.  I guess the underlying question is whether
 Grant is prone to hyperbole, since I don't really follow Riv too closely.
 It's either an amazing statement, an incomplete statement (as you suggest),
 or sales fluffle (e.g, hyperbole).

 I'm in the middle of modifying my old Rhode Gear bag to take a decaleur so I
 can test my Woodrup's geometry.  I really don't see why any flat-bottomed
 bag that can accept a decaleur at the right height can't be front-racked.

 I'm just wondering if there's anything really special about this bag from a
 mounting point of view.  Looks to me like not.





 On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 9:19 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
  On Wed, 2010-03-24 at 09:07 -0400, Ken Freeman wrote:
   Has anyone tried one yet?  Whadd'ya think?

   The on-line page says it must be used with the special Nitto F15 rack,
   which mounts to the handlebar.  Anybody see why?  Why can't it be used
   with a decaleur and a little front bag rack, like a TA, Berthoud, or
   Nitto?

  I see no reason why it couln't be used that way, Ken.  I modified one of
  the original Kirtland Tour Paks (which also were originally meant to be
  supported by rods, only the Kirtland hooked over the stem rather than
  bolted to it like the Nitto) so I could use it with a VO front rack and
  a Berthoud Decaleur

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/2668210913/in/set-721576061...
  and I've seen one of the old Riv Boxy Bags mounted that way also.

  I think the intent is to say you can't just strap it onto the handlebars
  and let it hang loose, like you can with some of the other Riv handlebar
  bags.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote:
 I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that
 mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset).

You mean, like this one?
http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.html
http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-decaleur.html



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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread William Henderson
Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

- How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
- How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
it off the bike each time I lock up?)
- How much water can it take?

wc.

On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
 BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
 didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

 Anyone order one yet?

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Greg
I used to have the Carradice Boxy Bag (which I regret selling), which
used the same Nitto mount, so I can comment on the second question.

To take it off, you would need to unscrew the 2 buttonhead allen bolts
at the front of the rack, then slide the bag off.  But I found the
allen bolts to be basically unnecessary.  They are there to prevent
the bag from slipping off the front, but the fit is such that the bag
is not likely to completely slide off without you noticing.  So you
could leave off the bolts for easy removal.  Alternatively, you could
find different bolts -- such as wing bolts -- which would be easier
to unscrew.  It is a standard metric thread, maybe an 8M.

Greg

On Feb 11, 10:47 am, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
 feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

 - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
 - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
 it off the bike each time I lock up?)
 - How much water can it take?

 wc.

 On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread rcnute
That would be perfect.

On Feb 11, 5:30 am, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:
 On Wed, 2010-02-10 at 22:23 -0800, rcnute wrote:
  I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that
  mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset).

 You mean, like this 
 one?http://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/decaleur-for-ahead-style-stem.htmlhttp://reneherse.blogspot.com/2009/10/close-up-of-modified-berthoud-d...

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Earl Grey
From the horse's (his/Grant's) mouth, the main compartment is:

9.5 inches wide, 7 inches front-to-back, and about 8 inches tall.

Or 240 x 178 x 200. (mm) (W x L x D)

This is as wide as a large Ortlieb, but both deeper and longer front
to back: 240 x ~135 x 175 (W x L x D). (Length is an average because
the front of the bag is curved; sides are 120, center is 150.)

Narrower than a small Berthoud, but longer (front to back) and equally
deep: 270 x 145 x 200 (W x L x D).

About the removal, couldn't you use washers small enough that the
leather sleeves will slide over them if the bag is lifted slightly,
but still prevent the leather sleeves from sliding over them if there
is any kind of weight in the bag?

And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with
built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net)

I am getting one!

Gernot



On Feb 12, 1:47 am, William Henderson william.c.hender...@gmail.com
wrote:
 Seriously eyeing this bag. I may go check it out this weekend if I'm
 feeling up to the hour BART ride. My questions:

 - How big is the main compartment? (will it fit, say, an iPad?)
 - How easy is it to take on and off? (easy enough so that I can take
 it off the bike each time I lock up?)
 - How much water can it take?

 wc.

 On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-11 Thread Orc
On Feb 11, 5:52 pm, Earl Grey earlg...@gmail.com wrote:

 And yes, the bolts on the front of the rack are M8s (perhaps with
 built-in washers, judging from the photo on benscycle.net)

Unless Nitto has changed things in the last year and change (or
whenever
Riv made their last F15 order -- I got my F15 when it was in the
no, never
gonna have a bar bag again section of the web specials) they're
separate
washers.

If you didn't want to deal with unscrewing the bolts to remove the
bag you
could just plug the tubes with beeswax and sew a couple of
fasteners to
the back side and clip them around  the back bar.   Not much water
ends
up on that side of the bag, so you probably wouldn't  even need to
be extra
careful about rewaterproofing.

   -david parsons

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread Ron MH
It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's
always a but when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears
to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me,
will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I
imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has
no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would
cause it to collapse like an accordion.

~ Ron


On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
 BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
 didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

 Anyone order one yet?

 --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread doug peterson
Acorn uses a coroplast (?) stiffener in their boxy bag.  I'm pretty
abusive of such things  haven't been able to damage it.  Might be a
simple addition that would allow the BarSack to keep its shape.  As to
mounting on a rack, I've done a lot with small D-rings attached to
bags with tubing clips, simple hardware store stuff.  Shock cord or
mini bungees allow easy attachment.

dougP

On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Ron MH visio...@gmail.com wrote:
 It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's
 always a but when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears
 to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me,
 will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I
 imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has
 no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would
 cause it to collapse like an accordion.

 ~ Ron

 On Feb 10, 12:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike- Hide quoted text -

 - Show quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread scott
I saw the bags up last night. I think they look really great. It took
me awhile to like the new sackville line--appearance wise anyway--but
now I think they are beautiful. They really grew on me. But I was
turned off by something in the post that Grant wrote: It requires the
Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to make it work without it. Really?
Don't even try? Sounds like a dare if I ever heard one.
   Also, if anyone is itching to pick up an F-15 rack before april,
Ben's cycles has them in stock:
http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id=8112
I've ordered hard to find nitto bits from them in the past. Nice folks
from Milwaukee.

On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
 BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
 didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

 Anyone order one yet?

 --mike

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Re: [RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread ANDREW LETTON
From Grant's description, It requires the Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to 
make it work 
without it. That rack is not cheap but worth it.

...of course a statement like that makes the attempt irresistible for some!  

cheers,

Andrew





It looks like a fine bag for the right user and setup, but... (there's
always a but when it comes to bags isn't there? ;-))... it appears
to require a special attachment to the handlebars and that, for me,
will likely be a deal-breaker. I already have a Nitto M-12 rack. I
imagine the BarSack won't be suitable for a front rack because it has
no internal stiffeners and, with time, its height and weight would
cause it to collapse like an accordion.

~ Ron

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread Earl Grey
I also have not been awed by the Sackville look (esp. the leather
zipper covers), though they are slowly growing on me. That said, I
think the Barsack is the most beautiful handlebar bag out there, with
the possible exception of a Guu Watanabe in brown or burgundy. And the
price is unbeatable. Way to go Rivendell. It seems really well
engineered, too. Note the clever combo side pocket covers that double
as the side flaps for the main compartment. I like the absence of rear
pockets, as it makes for a much more comfortable shoulder bag (when I
tour, I put my photo gear in my handlebar bag and thus end up carrying
it around whenever I am off the bike).

An option to mount on a Nitto mini front would be very nice. Since the
bottom is all leather, but backed with cloth (see 4th photo, of
interior), cutting slots into the leather for mounting points to a
rack should be relatively straight forward. But the stiffeners will
require a bit more work (fabric corners sewn into the interior top
corners to slide the corners of a stiffener under?).

Btw, Benscycle is out of stock on F-15s. Did you all snap them up
already? :)

Gernot



On Feb 11, 5:46 am, scott clankbonesh...@gmail.com wrote:
 I saw the bags up last night. I think they look really great. It took
 me awhile to like the new sackville line--appearance wise anyway--but
 now I think they are beautiful. They really grew on me. But I was
 turned off by something in the post that Grant wrote: It requires the
 Nitto F-15 rack; don't even try to make it work without it. Really?
 Don't even try? Sounds like a dare if I ever heard one.
    Also, if anyone is itching to pick up an F-15 rack before april,
 Ben's cycles has them in 
 stock:http://www.benscycle.net/index.php?main_page=product_infoproducts_id...
 I've ordered hard to find nitto bits from them in the past. Nice folks
 from Milwaukee.

 On Feb 10, 2:00 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:



  I noticed they posted some pictures and a price for the Sackville
  BarSack. It looks nice. I'm not sure how it will effect handling. If I
  didn't have a Berthoud already I'd consider trying this.

 http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/sackville-barsack/20-208

  Anyone order one yet?

  --mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread Mike
I like the way it looks and I'm sure the quality is excellent. It
seems a great way to go for displaying a cute sheet and keeping some
snacks and a brevet card handy. The xs Sackville SaddleSack would be
the place to stash tools and tubes.

At first I wasn't a fan of the Sackville stuff at all but then I went
ahead and picked up a small TrunkSack and SaddleSack and really love
them. The TS is perfect for shorter rides or when easy access to stuff
while riding isn't essential. But for brevets I really like being able
to view the cue sheet easily like you can with the Berthoud.

--mike

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[RBW] Re: Sackville BarSack

2010-02-10 Thread rcnute
I just wish someone would make a decaleur for threadless stems (that
mounted where the bars are clamped instead of the headset).

Ryan

On Feb 10, 8:18 pm, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 I like the way it looks and I'm sure the quality is excellent. It
 seems a great way to go for displaying a cute sheet and keeping some
 snacks and a brevet card handy. The xs Sackville SaddleSack would be
 the place to stash tools and tubes.

 At first I wasn't a fan of the Sackville stuff at all but then I went
 ahead and picked up a small TrunkSack and SaddleSack and really love
 them. The TS is perfect for shorter rides or when easy access to stuff
 while riding isn't essential. But for brevets I really like being able
 to view the cue sheet easily like you can with the Berthoud.

 --mike

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