[RBW] Re: Saddles for wet butts

[Robb Myer]

Check out the PDW Dios Thronos. We have them on our "rain bikes". 

https://ridepdw.com/collections/web-specials/products/dios-thronous?variant=24825148865#

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Eric Karnes]

thanks all!

i'm pretty sure the destroying of the jeans is due to the rough texture of 
the cambium (though it does smooth out the longer you own it) and the rivet 
right at the nose of the saddle. if i can't find a saddle cover that fits, 
i'll try one of those wtb saddles. i'd love a rivet, but this is my daily 
commuter and gets locked up / rained on in center city philadelphia. so the 
cheaper / more weatherproof the better.

eric

On Wednesday, April 5, 2017 at 4:17:23 PM UTC-4, RJM wrote:
>
> I agree with Johnny here...get a saddle that doesn't bleed dye. There just 
> isn't a reason a saddle has to be made out of leather...plenty of good ones 
> out there that can sit out in the rain and not bleed. 
>
> My cross bike has a WTB saddle and it is comfortable and my road bike had 
> the stock Trek saddle that the Emonda SL6 comes with...and that is also 
> very comfortable. Never had one issue out of those saddles. 
>
> On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 6:11:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:
>
>> While the covers will work it seems silly to have a saddle that you can't 
>> use without a cover on it.  Saddles are a personal thing but my usual go to 
>> when it isn't a Brooks is a Fizik Aliante on a road bike and a WTB saddle 
>> for almost anything else.  They are well made, comfortable, cheap and 
>> light.  The Rocket is the one I usually go to and they start as low as $40.
>>
>> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all-
>>>
>>> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne 
>>> commuter. I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in 
>>> very short order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty 
>>> badly). I'd love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but 
>>> this is my main mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in 
>>> my everyday clothes.
>>>
>>> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants 
>>> too easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
>>> distances, as this is my city ride.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[RJM]

I agree with Johnny here...get a saddle that doesn't bleed dye. There just 
isn't a reason a saddle has to be made out of leather...plenty of good ones 
out there that can sit out in the rain and not bleed. 

My cross bike has a WTB saddle and it is comfortable and my road bike had 
the stock Trek saddle that the Emonda SL6 comes with...and that is also 
very comfortable. Never had one issue out of those saddles. 

On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 6:11:48 AM UTC-5, Johnny Alien wrote:

> While the covers will work it seems silly to have a saddle that you can't 
> use without a cover on it.  Saddles are a personal thing but my usual go to 
> when it isn't a Brooks is a Fizik Aliante on a road bike and a WTB saddle 
> for almost anything else.  They are well made, comfortable, cheap and 
> light.  The Rocket is the one I usually go to and they start as low as $40.
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne 
>> commuter. I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in 
>> very short order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty 
>> badly). I'd love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but 
>> this is my main mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in 
>> my everyday clothes.
>>
>> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
>> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
>> distances, as this is my city ride.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

['doc' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Bailey's Wild Ass Jeans.  Not my first choice for riding, but by far the 
best bang for the buck for work pants.  I have several pairs of the double 
layer for timber work that I do.  

http://www.baileysonline.com/Clothing/Men-s-Clothing/Jeans/Wild-Ass/Wild-Ass-US-Made-Single-Front-Blue-Denim-Logger-Pants.axd
 
 

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Bill in Roswell GA]

I know the jeans dilemma. Once you find a brand and model that works, 
change is hard to face. So, if I may offer some food for thought. 

Maybe it's the jeans and how they fit? Perhaps try the Levi's (or other 
brand) cycling jeans that have a hint of lycra in them? 

I got around the Brooks dye bleeding by purchasing an older used one in 
black (when the leather was thick), though not super black like a new one - 
it's well broken in . Don't know what dye process Brooks uses, but my old 
Turbo and Rolls saddles are black leather and never noticed any bleeding 
issue while wearing khaki shorts. Rivet backs up their saddles with a 
warranty, which may make the cost tolerable as an investment. 

Also, have you tried a saddle with a narrower nose just to see if that 
helps? 

Good luck!
Bill in Roswell, GA



On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Deacon Patrick]

For me, these wear really well. Made for rubbing and abrasion in a way 
denim is not. They are my main knickers now (my wife cuts um and adds 
elastic.)
http://www.duluthtrading.com/search/searchresults/86125.aspx?kw=fire%20hose%20jeans=content

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:56:28 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[John Stowe]

I have had no issues with staining from my "natural" (undyed) leather 
Brooks. I still wear through crotches on a regular basis, though, even on 
the smooth leather - I just had to "retire" (to gardening duty) another 
pair of shorts last week.

-John


On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[John A. Bennett]

For those jeans, you can always send them 
to: http://www.indigoproof.com/repair-your-jeans/denim-repair-1

Rain, the owner, works magic here in Portland with vintage sewing machines. 

JAB @ Rivelo in PDX

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 7:56:28 PM UTC-7, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Kevin Lindsey]

I second the Rivet.  I have one on my Hunq and another on a Moots go-fast, 
and love 'em.  They're a bit pricey but comfortable and, so far, no 
evidence of bleed.
Kevin


On Tuesday, April 4, 2017 at 7:31:37 AM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Rivet. Debbie's great to work with and the saddles are brilliant. I ride a 
> Diablo on both my Hunqa and QB. One white, one black. No bleed ever.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:56:28 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne 
>> commuter. I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in 
>> very short order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty 
>> badly). I'd love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but 
>> this is my main mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in 
>> my everyday clothes.
>>
>> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
>> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
>> distances, as this is my city ride.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Deacon Patrick]

Rivet. Debbie's great to work with and the saddles are brilliant. I ride a 
Diablo on both my Hunqa and QB. One white, one black. No bleed ever.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 8:56:28 PM UTC-6, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[Johnny Alien]

While the covers will work it seems silly to have a saddle that you can't 
use without a cover on it.  Saddles are a personal thing but my usual go to 
when it isn't a Brooks is a Fizik Aliante on a road bike and a WTB saddle 
for almost anything else.  They are well made, comfortable, cheap and 
light.  The Rocket is the one I usually go to and they start as low as $40.

On Monday, April 3, 2017 at 10:56:28 PM UTC-4, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> Hi all-
>
> Looking for some advice. I have a Brooks Cambium on my SimpleOne commuter. 
> I love the saddle, but it's destroyed two pairs of nice jeans in very short 
> order (and every leather Brooks I've had has bled dye pretty badly). I'd 
> love to solve it with a dedicated pair of riding pants, but this is my main 
> mode of transportation, so I need to be able to ride it in my everyday 
> clothes.
>
> Anyone recommend a saddle that doesn't wear out the crotches of pants too 
> easily and doesn't bleed dye? It needn't be super comfortable over long 
> distances, as this is my city ride.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Eric
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles destroying my jeans! Advice?

[sameness]

Saddle cover! I primarily use the old grey one Riv used to make/sell, but 
the Aardvark works fine, too.

Jeff Hagedorn
Los Angeles, CA USA

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[RBW] Re: Saddles, epilogue

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I went with the Pearl. Fingers crossed.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 4:44:14 PM UTC+3, David Banzer wrote:
>
> Which model did you decide on? I've been eyeing the new-ish Loveland model 
> for my wife's Clementine. Seems to be very similar to the discontinued 
> Brooks B68. 
> David
> Chicago
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> I ordered the Rivet.
>> That means I will have an almost new Honey B17 Imperial for sale in a 
>> couple weeks.
>> Stay tuned.
>>  
>> Jay
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

What do you think, does this pass the Turing test?

On 04/07/2016 07:07 PM, Garth wrote:
It's self-explanatory  . .  . .  I expressed it as so because I cannot 
deny or question it.  Absolute means Absolute , Absolutely. Whole. 
Total. Complete. Infinite. Self Existent. Anything less/other than to 
it would be the only bullshit. Since there is nothing else, there is 
nothing to bullshit..


And that's all there is to say on that.


On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator
with the list?



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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Garth]

It's self-explanatory  . .  . .  I expressed it as so because I cannot deny 
or question it.  Absolute means Absolute , Absolutely. Whole. Total. 
Complete. Infinite. Self Existent. Anything less/other than to it would be 
the only bullshit. Since there is nothing else, there is nothing to 
bullshit..

And that's all there is to say on that. 


On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator with 
> the list?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mark Reimer]

Huh, never would have thought a 2mm thicker saddle would be more 
comfortable than a thinner one. I love the Special because it doesn't feel 
like a granite counter top. But having just worn one out in under 2 years, 
I guess you must be on to something... 

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 4:49:57 PM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>
> Oh great, dueling bullshit.  Nice photo though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[islaysteve]

Oh great, dueling bullshit.  Nice photo though.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

http://sebpearce.com/bullshit/



On 04/07/2016 05:31 PM, 'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch wrote:
Oh, silly grasshoppers!  His Garthness is Absolute and Perfect, 
therefore when astride his bicycle forgoes earthly constraints such as 
saddles.


On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator
with the list?

On 04/07/2016 12:05 PM, Garth wrote:


The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than
Absolute" (imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute)

.where would the "you" that does not agree be ?

that's all I have to say about that ;)



On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar
wrote:



On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote:
> Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect
saddle,
> oh heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just
happened .  . .
> . "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be
perfect. It is
> impossible for perfection to exist with imperfection. " .
Huh .   How
> about that . .  . . . kinda stops the clamor for changing
anything .
> Huh .


Go for a long ride on a bike with a saddle that doesn't fit
you. Your
a$$ will clamor plenty, and you won't give a damn whether you
are
perfect or not, you'll just want something to make the pain
stop.  And
chances are, you will be able to find one that works. Even
imperfect
people deserve a pain-free ride, and philosophical absolutes
in practice
are little more than hot air.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Oh, silly grasshoppers!  His Garthness is Absolute and Perfect, therefore 
when astride his bicycle forgoes earthly constraints such as saddles.

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 12:09:03 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator with 
> the list?
>
> On 04/07/2016 12:05 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>
> The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than Absolute" 
> (imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute) 
>
> .where would the "you" that does not agree be ?
>
> that's all I have to say about that ;)
>
>
>
> On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: 
>>
>>
>>
>> On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote: 
>> > Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,   
>> > oh heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just happened .  . . 
>> > . "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is 
>> > impossible for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh .   How 
>> > about that . .  . . . kinda stops the clamor for changing anything . 
>> > Huh . 
>>
>>
>> Go for a long ride on a bike with a saddle that doesn't fit you. Your 
>> a$$ will clamor plenty, and you won't give a damn whether you are 
>> perfect or not, you'll just want something to make the pain stop.  And 
>> chances are, you will be able to find one that works. Even imperfect 
>> people deserve a pain-free ride, and philosophical absolutes in practice 
>> are little more than hot air. 
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

Would you be willing to share the code for your aphorism generator with 
the list?


On 04/07/2016 12:05 PM, Garth wrote:


The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than 
Absolute" (imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute)


.where would the "you" that does not agree be ?

that's all I have to say about that ;)



On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:



On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote:
> Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,
> oh heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just happened
.  . .
> . "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect.
It is
> impossible for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh .
  How
> about that . .  . . . kinda stops the clamor for changing
anything .
> Huh .


Go for a long ride on a bike with a saddle that doesn't fit you. Your
a$$ will clamor plenty, and you won't give a damn whether you are
perfect or not, you'll just want something to make the pain stop.
 And
chances are, you will be able to find one that works. Even imperfect
people deserve a pain-free ride, and philosophical absolutes in
practice
are little more than hot air.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Garth]

The Absolute could not BE The Absolute and there be "other than Absolute" 
(imperfect of course because it would not be Absolute) 

.where would the "you" that does not agree be ?

that's all I have to say about that ;)



On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 10:50:31 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
>
> On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote: 
> > Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,   
> > oh heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just happened .  . . 
> > . "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is 
> > impossible for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh .   How 
> > about that . .  . . . kinda stops the clamor for changing anything . 
> > Huh . 
>
>
> Go for a long ride on a bike with a saddle that doesn't fit you. Your 
> a$$ will clamor plenty, and you won't give a damn whether you are 
> perfect or not, you'll just want something to make the pain stop.  And 
> chances are, you will be able to find one that works. Even imperfect 
> people deserve a pain-free ride, and philosophical absolutes in practice 
> are little more than hot air. 
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/07/2016 10:32 AM, Garth wrote:
Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,  
oh heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just happened .  . . 
. "for the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is 
impossible for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh .   How 
about that . .  . . . kinda stops the clamor for changing anything . 
Huh .



Go for a long ride on a bike with a saddle that doesn't fit you. Your 
a$$ will clamor plenty, and you won't give a damn whether you are 
perfect or not, you'll just want something to make the pain stop.  And 
chances are, you will be able to find one that works. Even imperfect 
people deserve a pain-free ride, and philosophical absolutes in practice 
are little more than hot air.





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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Garth]

Yes . . . . been on they endless search for the perfect saddle,  oh 
heck . .  .. everything !  But damn funny this just happened .  . . . "for 
the saddle to be perfect the rider must also be perfect. It is impossible 
for perfection to exist with imperfection. " . Huh .   How about that . .  
. . . kinda stops the clamor for changing anything . Huh .   




, 2016 at 11:21:23 PM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
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>
> I've been cycling a long time and haven't found the oerfect saddle yet. 
> Hope this turns out to be the one.
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[RBW] Re: Saddles, epilogue

[David Banzer]

Which model did you decide on? I've been eyeing the new-ish Loveland model 
for my wife's Clementine. Seems to be very similar to the discontinued 
Brooks B68. 
David
Chicago

On Thursday, April 7, 2016 at 8:22:13 AM UTC-5, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> I ordered the Rivet.
> That means I will have an almost new Honey B17 Imperial for sale in a 
> couple weeks.
> Stay tuned.
>  
> Jay
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Toji, if you want, please tell your friend that I would have been happy to buy 
directly from them but they didn't have the burgundy or chestnut in stock. I 
think either of those are a better matxh for my green Sam than the black, white 
or red that they have right now. 

I've been cycling a long time and haven't found the oerfect saddle yet. Hope 
this turns out to be the one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

Toji, if you want, please tell your friend that I would have been happy to buy 
directly from them but they didn't have the burgundy or chestnut in stock. I 
think either of those are a better matxh for my green Sam than the black, white 
or red that they have right now. 

I've been cycling a long time and haven't found the oerfect saddle yet. Hope 
this turns out to be the one.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Toshi Takeuchi]

I have 3 Rivets and love them, but as a disclosure I am a friend of the
owner of Rivet.  I use the Pearl.

Good luck!
Toshi in Oakland


On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 7:31 PM, Jay in Tel Aviv  wrote:

> I'm going to try the Rivet. $137 shipped from SJS
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Jay in Tel Aviv]

I'm going to try the Rivet. $137 shipped from SJS 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

On 04/05/2016 07:59 PM, Lee Legrand wrote:

What about Gilles Berthoud?



Much thicker leather than a Brooks, and a significantly different 
shape.  I like them a lot.  But be advised, it takes at least 500 miles 
to break one in.



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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[cyclotourist]

B68 saddles come up on ebay now and then, that's where I picked one up.
Works as intended w/ Albatross bar set up.

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:59 PM, Lee Legrand  wrote:

> What about Gilles Berthoud?
>
> On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
>
>> You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far
>> the most comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every
>> time I ride my regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong with them.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Lee Legrand]

What about Gilles Berthoud?

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 6:58 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far the
> most comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every time
> I ride my regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong with them.
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Philip Williamson]

I am about the least discerning saddle rider on this list, but my next full 
price saddle will be a Rivet. They were so nice at NAHBS, and the details 
are beautiful: https://flic.kr/p/DEM31o Some saddles have a fabric 
reinforcing layer under the leather. The fabric is beautifully patterned, 
"Because why not make it beautiful?" 
It's a shame about bike shows - If there's one or zero pictures in the 
booth, then I probably had a great time chatting instead of snapping. 

Philip
www.biketinker.com


On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>  
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
> for sufficient width
> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the B17. 
> Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>  
> IDEAS
> Brooks B68 - no longer made
> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>  
> What say you wise folks?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay
>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Ron Mc]

I'm also riding my B17 select on an upright bike.  Several thousand miles, 
and it's great.  I had a special before and could tell it was stretching on 
the upright in a few hundred miles.  My semi-upright moustache bar bike 
does great with a special.  

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 5:58:46 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
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> You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far the 
> most comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every time 
> I ride my regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong with them. 

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[John Phillips]

Ooops, sorry, I missed that you said you were using Albatross bars.

  My sit bones measure about the same as yours. On my Hunqapillar w/ 
albatross bars, Nitto lugged seatpost and saddle slid all the way back, I 
like the Berthoud Mente best (the Vars is the expensive titanium version of 
the Mente), and I have a Cambium C19 I want to try out this week. If if 
works, it will be my saddle for rainy, muddy rides. My sit bones like flat 
saddles best. I would like to try out one of the Ergon MTB saddles to see 
what they're like. 

John

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Joe Bernard]

You wouldn't think that 2mm is significant, but my 17 Select is by far the most 
comfortable saddle I've owned, and it was great brand new. Every time I ride my 
regular 17s, it feels like there's something wrong with them. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Ron Mc]

leather on select is 2mm thicker

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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mark Reimer]

Wait... what is the difference between the select and the special? I
thought that was the same thing!

On Tue, Apr 5, 2016 at 4:41 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:

> my all time favorite is the B17 select, Rivet second, B17 special 3rd.
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Ron Mc]

my all time favorite is the B17 select, Rivet second, B17 special 3rd.  

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[fugd...@gmail.com]

Rivet. The rails are longer than the Brooks. And don't seem to break, like 
my Anatomica's. But it feels similar to the Anatomica.

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>  
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
> for sufficient width
> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the B17. 
> Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>  
> IDEAS
> Brooks B68 - no longer made
> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>  
> What say you wise folks?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mark Reimer]

Ever try the B17 special? 

Here's what I've tried:

Brooks Swift: Comfy when you're in a tucked aero position riding hard. 
Otherwise n thanks
Brooks B17 Narrow: Hard as a rock and too narrow
Brooks B17: Better, but still pretty hard. Maybe it would break in after a 
long, long time? 
Brooks B17S: AH. Butt nirvana. Fast break-in and all-day comfort
Brooks C17: Interesting... better than the regular B17, but not as good as 
the special. Comfortable in regular clothes for extended rides, love the 
weather proof aspect, but doesn't quite have that deluxe, plush B17 Special 
feel. 


For what it's worth, I've heard a ton of positive reviews of the touring 
Berthoud saddles. My Dad has two of them, I've been meaning to borrow one 
soon to compare. They certainly look to be built to a higher standard than 
Brooks. 

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 12:40:17 PM UTC-5, John Phillips wrote:
>
> What's your handle bar set up?
>
> On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>>
>> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
>> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>>  
>> HISTORY
>> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
>> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
>> for sufficient width
>> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the 
>> B17. Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
>> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
>> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
>> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
>> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
>> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
>> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>>  
>> IDEAS
>> Brooks B68 - no longer made
>> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
>> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
>> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
>> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>>  
>> What say you wise folks?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Jay
>>  
>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[John Phillips]

What's your handle bar set up?

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:41:44 AM UTC-7, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>  
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
> for sufficient width
> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the B17. 
> Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>  
> IDEAS
> Brooks B68 - no longer made
> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>  
> What say you wise folks?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Garth]

   Sounds like the Rivet would be worth trying, it's the only way to know 
.  They have a 365 day no questions return policy if you were not aware of 
it. 





On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 10:41:44 AM UTC-4, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>  
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
> for sufficient width
> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the B17. 
> Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>  
> IDEAS
> Brooks B68 - no longer made
> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>  
> What say you wise folks?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Deacon Patrick]

Rivet. All the way.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 8:41:44 AM UTC-6, Jay in Tel Aviv wrote:
>
> Seeking the collective wisdom of the group before spending $$ on 
> another new saddle that may or may not fit me on my Sam Hillborne.
>  
> HISTORY
> Brooks B17N - too narrow, what was I thinking?
> Brooks B17 - OK, never really comfortable, just OK. Have to sit way back 
> for sufficient width
> Selle Anatomica - very comfortable even if slightly narrower than the B17. 
> Perfect except for the broken rims. Bent 2 - no mas.
> Brooks C17 - OK, similar to the B17
> Brooks B17 imperial (with laces and cutout) - similar to B17. This time I 
> used emperical observation to check the width. I used my han to feel under 
> the saddle for my sit bones. Sitting all the way back, one is just insode 
> the rivets and the other is actually hanging off. Saddle is all the way 
> back on a VO setback post. Alba bars.
>  
> IDEAS
> Brooks B68 - no longer made
> Brooks C19 - wider than the B17
> Rivet Pearl - slightly narrower than the B17 but people seem to love them 
> and the Selle Anatomicas were great until they broke.
> Great prices for either on xxcycle.com
>  
> What say you wise folks?
>  
> Thanks,
> Jay
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Cecily Walker]

Thanks to everyone who suggested dropping the nose on the saddle - it 
worked great, and I'm riding comfortably now! 

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:42:11 PM UTC-7, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Ryan]

Hmmm, OK Leslie, thanks for  the tip...I'm rather attached to those S-83 
posts:)
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 7:45:48 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote: 

 Ryan,

 You can get the Nitto S83 in different sizes;  my Bombadil uses the 26.8 
 size;  I don't 'know' for sure that it is available in 27.0, but, it's not 
 a 27.2-only post



 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote: 

 Not the jewelry that Nitto seatposts are...but not bad looking at 
 all...good enough for the X0-1. I also saw that the Thompson  has quite a 
 range of sizes and diameters, as well...but they are a bit spendy and I 
 think I've burned through my bike allowance this year already:) Thanks for 
 the tip! 
 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, William wrote: 

 Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size) 

 Check the IRD webstore for a nice looking seatpost at 27.0 on closeout.

 http://store.interlocracing.com/type2quad270mm.html

 No setback, though.  



 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: 

  Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy 
 one-bolters on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on 
 my X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size).  I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
  
 Cecily, experimenting with tilt as others suggest may help. Also , it's 
 good to get out of the saddle from time to time. When I rode the Manitoba 
 biking to the viking from Stonewall to Gimli Manitoba and back, I saw an 
 awful lot of wide , cushy saddles. I reaaly believe the illusion of 
 comfort 
 they give is just that, an illusion
 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the 
 Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Sky Coulter]

Hey congrats on the Betty foy. I saw the frame hanging in Dream Cycles a couple 
weeks ago. I'm sure making do with what you have is a more frugal choice, but 
my wife just switched from a b68 on her Betty to a b17 imperial s and she's 
pretty happy with the change.

Sky
Burnaby

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Cecily Walker]

Hey thanks, Sky! It's defintely my dream bike.  

Dropping the nose of the saddle seems to have helped some, but the true 
test is a ride of 20km or more. 

Cheers,
Cecily

On Wednesday, August 28, 2013 6:19:27 AM UTC-7, Sky Coulter wrote:

 Hey congrats on the Betty foy. I saw the frame hanging in Dream Cycles a 
 couple weeks ago. I'm sure making do with what you have is a more frugal 
 choice, but my wife just switched from a b68 on her Betty to a b17 imperial 
 s and she's pretty happy with the change.

 Sky
 Burnaby


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[DianeB]

Liesl, I know what you mean.  I bought a 6 piece of small diameter, thick 
walled pipe that I use on the hex key to give me more leverage and a rubber 
mallet to whack the nose of the saddle. Careful and judicious use of both 
seems to work well for me.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:52:31 PM UTC-6, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Liesl]

Diane, excellent tips for the wee-handed!  On a similar front, the Shimano 
MTB silver brake levers are also nice for us because they have reach adjust 
screws that allow the lever to be closer to the grip.

Liesl, I know what you mean.  I bought a 6 piece of small diameter, thick 
 walled pipe that I use on the hex key to give me more leverage and a rubber 
 mallet to whack the nose of the saddle. Careful and judicious use of both 
 seems to work well for me.



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Ryan]

Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy one-bolters 
on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on my 
X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
Thompson for this size).  I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
 
Cecily, experimenting with tilt as others suggest may help. Also , it's 
good to get out of the saddle from time to time. When I rode the Manitoba 
biking to the viking from Stonewall to Gimli Manitoba and back, I saw an 
awful lot of wide , cushy saddles. I reaaly believe the illusion of comfort 
they give is just that, an illusion
On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[William]

Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or Thompson 
for this size)

Check the IRD webstore for a nice looking seatpost at 27.0 on closeout.

http://store.interlocracing.com/type2quad270mm.html

No setback, though.  



On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote:

 Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy one-bolters 
 on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on my 
 X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size).  I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
  
 Cecily, experimenting with tilt as others suggest may help. Also , it's 
 good to get out of the saddle from time to time. When I rode the Manitoba 
 biking to the viking from Stonewall to Gimli Manitoba and back, I saw an 
 awful lot of wide , cushy saddles. I reaaly believe the illusion of comfort 
 they give is just that, an illusion
 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Ryan]

Not the jewelry that Nitto seatposts are...but not bad looking at 
all...good enough for the X0-1. I also saw that the Thompson  has quite a 
range of sizes and diameters, as well...but they are a bit spendy and I 
think I've burned through my bike allowance this year already:) Thanks for 
the tip! 
On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, William wrote: 

 Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or Thompson 
 for this size) 

 Check the IRD webstore for a nice looking seatpost at 27.0 on closeout.

 http://store.interlocracing.com/type2quad270mm.html

 No setback, though.  



 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: 

  Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy 
 one-bolters on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on 
 my X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size).  I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
  
 Cecily, experimenting with tilt as others suggest may help. Also , it's 
 good to get out of the saddle from time to time. When I rode the Manitoba 
 biking to the viking from Stonewall to Gimli Manitoba and back, I saw an 
 awful lot of wide , cushy saddles. I reaaly believe the illusion of comfort 
 they give is just that, an illusion
 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Leslie]

Ryan,

You can get the Nitto S83 in different sizes;  my Bombadil uses the 26.8 
size;  I don't 'know' for sure that it is available in 27.0, but, it's not 
a 27.2-only post



On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 6:43:27 PM UTC-4, Ryan wrote:

 Not the jewelry that Nitto seatposts are...but not bad looking at 
 all...good enough for the X0-1. I also saw that the Thompson  has quite a 
 range of sizes and diameters, as well...but they are a bit spendy and I 
 think I've burned through my bike allowance this year already:) Thanks for 
 the tip! 
 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 4:36:45 PM UTC-5, William wrote: 

 Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size) 

 Check the IRD webstore for a nice looking seatpost at 27.0 on closeout.

 http://store.interlocracing.com/type2quad270mm.html

 No setback, though.  



 On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:20:01 PM UTC-7, Ryan wrote: 

  Or the Nitto S-83...I've switched over to these from my Campy 
 one-bolters on my 2 Rivendells. I had a broken rail on one of my B-17's on 
 my X0-1. Unfortunately it uses a 27.0mm diameter post( will check Paul or 
 Thompson for this size).  I'm under 200lbs but probably over 180.
  
 Cecily, experimenting with tilt as others suggest may help. Also , it's 
 good to get out of the saddle from time to time. When I rode the Manitoba 
 biking to the viking from Stonewall to Gimli Manitoba and back, I saw an 
 awful lot of wide , cushy saddles. I reaaly believe the illusion of comfort 
 they give is just that, an illusion
 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:52:31 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Deacon Patrick]

You may need to pound the saddle forward (or back) using the heel of your hand. 
Even a small amount can make a big difference.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Leslie]

I'm 250, ride B17's on each of my Riv's, haven't had any problems w/ the 
saddles yet...

-L


On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:42:11 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Michael Hechmer]

Cecily,  I have spent a lot of time and experimentation trying to help my 
wife solve a chafing problem. Her single now has a Terry Fly and the tandem 
a B17.  We've been through the up down routine and have settled on level. 
 A switch to Albas has helped.  But not all the  problem turned out to be 
the saddle or adjustment.  She was wearing Ibex women's specific shorts 
which have a pretty thick pad.  When she switched to a pair of men's shorts 
with a very thin pad, things got better.  Finally she started using organic 
coconut oil as a lubricant.  That seems to have made a big difference, 
especially when we go for a long ride, like 3 hours.
Michael

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:42:11 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Tim Gavin]

Cecily-

I'm a large mammal; I weigh 210# now (was #260 a couple years ago) and I
have no problems with my Brooks.  I have a B17 Select on my gofast bike
(Giordana XL-Eco) and a Brooks Flyer on my Rivendell Road Standard.  I like
the springs of the Flyer because I bounce on the saddle a lot when trying
to pedal hard.

I'm not easy on the saddles, but they've never complained, bent, or even
really creaked.

Tim


On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 11:57 AM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.comwrote:

 Cecily,  I have spent a lot of time and experimentation trying to help my
 wife solve a chafing problem. Her single now has a Terry Fly and the tandem
 a B17.  We've been through the up down routine and have settled on level.
  A switch to Albas has helped.  But not all the  problem turned out to be
 the saddle or adjustment.  She was wearing Ibex women's specific shorts
 which have a pretty thick pad.  When she switched to a pair of men's shorts
 with a very thin pad, things got better.  Finally she started using organic
 coconut oil as a lubricant.  That seems to have made a big difference,
 especially when we go for a long ride, like 3 hours.
 Michael

 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 8:42:11 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy,
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts.

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle?

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them.

 Thanks!
 Cecily

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Deacon Patrick]

The rails are the same I believe. But before you switch saddles, you may 
want to play with (one at a time to not confuse the issue) tilt of the nose 
up/down, sliding the saddle forward or back (try this first, moving it 
forward first based on what you wrote), and height. What you describe may 
well be resolved with those adjustments and have little to nothing to do 
with saddle width.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[cyclotourist]

Yes, as Patrick said, the rails and undercarriage are the same (maybe
a bit longer/wider on some models). Play around with the tilt/height
and then see about a different saddle.




On 8/25/13, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:
 The rails are the same I believe. But before you switch saddles, you may
 want to play with (one at a time to not confuse the issue) tilt of the nose

 up/down, sliding the saddle forward or back (try this first, moving it
 forward first based on what you wrote), and height. What you describe may
 well be resolved with those adjustments and have little to nothing to do
 with saddle width.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely

 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy,

 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts.

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17

 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle?

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them.

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[DianeB]

Cecily,  I've adjusted the seat tilt up and down, in small increments, and 
I think I finally have it dialed in.   Don't give up just yet!

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily


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Re: [RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Robert Barr]

As Diane says - don't give up. I have spent days getting my wife and
daughters saddles adjusted - and they are all three adjusted differently.
The nose tilt is critical and I adjust that in very small increments.
Interesting to me, the saddle didn't seem to be as important as the
adjustment. Good luck, Bob (Indianapolis)


On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 9:28 PM, DianeB chapstick2...@gmail.com wrote:

 Cecily,  I've adjusted the seat tilt up and down, in small increments, and
 I think I finally have it dialed in.   Don't give up just yet!


 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all,

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy,
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts.

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle?

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them.

 Thanks!
 Cecily

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Liesl]

With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[ted]

This is the reason I pretty much avoid single bolt seatposts like the 
plague. The nitto S83 is a nice two bolt post, and only $13 more (from RBW) 
than the crystal fellow. 
I think the S83 has a bit more set back than the crystal fellow too.

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:52:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Cecily Walker]

I have the Velo Orange Grand Cru seatpost, which theoretically makes it 
possible to move the seatpost fore and aft easily. I found out, however, 
that the seat rails on my saddle are bent and I may be limited to how far 
forward/back I can move the saddle. :-/

http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/components/seatposts/vo-grand-cru-seat-post-long-setback.html

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 7:52:31 PM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:

 With respect to adjusting the tilt of the saddle, I found that some 
 seatposts are better than others at allowing one to make some pretty fine 
 adjustments.  If you are like me, my small female hands can't always 
 tighten up a Nitto post with a good adjustment at the same time.  I've 
 found that I really prefer posts with two bolts fore and aft like the Paul 
 Tall and Handsome or the Thompson Elite.  Just something to think about.  
 Good luck!  Liesl (a.k.a. RCW)


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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Cecily Walker]

I'll definitely try moving it forward a bit if I can. I know my seat rails 
are bent a bit, and while the bike mechanic was able to straighten them 
somewhat, I remember him saying I'd be limited to how far forward/back I 
moved the saddle because of the bent rails.

Of course, now I'm wondering what I did to bend the rails on a saddle. :-/

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 5:45:41 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 The rails are the same I believe. But before you switch saddles, you may 
 want to play with (one at a time to not confuse the issue) tilt of the nose 
 up/down, sliding the saddle forward or back (try this first, moving it 
 forward first based on what you wrote), and height. What you describe may 
 well be resolved with those adjustments and have little to nothing to do 
 with saddle width.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, August 25, 2013 6:42:11 PM UTC-6, Cecily Walker wrote:

 Hi all, 

 I have a Brooks B67 S saddle on my Betty Foy, but I'm finding that the 
 saddle isn't as comfortable as it used to be when I was riding completely 
 upright on my Dutch bike. I'm leaning a bit more forward on the Betty Foy, 
 and that's putting some uncomfortable pressure on sensitive parts. 

 My concern is that because I'm a heavyweight rider, a saddle like the B17 
 won't stand up to my weight, and I'll damage the seat rails. Have any of 
 you who are in excess of 220# had any issues with the B17 saddle? 

 If you have other recommendations, I'm happy to entertain them. 

 Thanks!
 Cecily



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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[LeahFoy]

Cecily, I just went through a few weeks of dialing in my Brooks.  I have the 
B68, basically your saddle without the springs. I was having the same issues 
you described - pressure where it was unwanted, sliding off the nose of the 
saddle when I tilted down, tried scooting it forward, thinking that HAD to be 
the problem...all to no avail. I remembered reading Grant's opinion somewhere 
and he had said, 'slide the sucker all the way back' or something close to 
that. Anyway, I did, and guess what? Sit bones exactly where they should be and 
no more pain. In fact, I'd say I'm in saddle nirvana - never think of the 
saddle anymore. Mine is tilted up just a hair, and no more. I've noticed most 
women don't have their Brooks' tilted up much, but the men really do. Just try 
it! :)

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[RBW] Re: Saddles - A Weighty Question

[Cecily Walker]

I'll definitely give it a try. After the ride last weekend and today, I was 
seriously considering buying padded cycling shorts. Nobody needs to see me 
in those. :D

On Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:03:05 PM UTC-7, LeahFoy wrote:

 Cecily, I just went through a few weeks of dialing in my Brooks.  I have 
 the B68, basically your saddle without the springs. I was having the same 
 issues you described - pressure where it was unwanted, sliding off the nose 
 of the saddle when I tilted down, tried scooting it forward, thinking that 
 HAD to be the problem...all to no avail. I remembered reading Grant's 
 opinion somewhere and he had said, 'slide the sucker all the way back' or 
 something close to that. Anyway, I did, and guess what? Sit bones exactly 
 where they should be and no more pain. In fact, I'd say I'm in saddle 
 nirvana - never think of the saddle anymore. Mine is tilted up just a hair, 
 and no more. I've noticed most women don't have their Brooks' tilted up 
 much, but the men really do. Just try it! :)

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Fai Mao]

The issue may also be the saddle width.
A standard B-17 is really painful  to me but a B-17N or narrow works much
better. The Sele Italia Rolls is another one that I find to be really
comfortable

You may just have a little narrower bone structure than other people

On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Christopher Paul zdree...@gmail.comwrote:


 Ultimately I found this a trial and error process.  I started with a
 B-17 and it was reasonably comfortable for under 50 mile rides.
 Unbearably painful over that trip wire distance.  I found the Terry
 Liberator Y to be the most comfortable all day saddle and have it on
 most of my bikes (its even more comfortable than the more expensive
 fly version).  Recently I bought a single speed bike for around town
 errands and it came with an aged B-17 saddle which is amazingly
 comfortable.  It comes with tethered lacing which actually changes the
 geometry in a very subtle way.  But the difference for me makes a
 world of difference!  All I can say is you really don't know until it
 passes the ride it all day, for 3 days test.   I tried about 18
 different saddles.  Final word, thank god for e-bay!

 Cheers,
 Chris

 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 1:35 PM, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:
 
  Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
  to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
  reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
  Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
  nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
  think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
  noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
  recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
  the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
  color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
  knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
  just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
  and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.
 
  Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
  not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
  Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
  finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
  the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
  saddle ideas.
 
  Thanks all.
   
 

 



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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mike]

I wonder if the source of the knot is your clothing? Are you
commuting bike clothes or just regular clothes. Could it be that there
is a seam in your clothes that is causing the problem?


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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

 I wonder if the source of the knot is your clothing? Are you
 commuting bike clothes or just regular clothes.


What are these Bike Clothes you speak of?

Do they have a bicycle built into them?

/sarcasm

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mike]

By bike clothes I'm referring to a diaper equipped leotard.

But seriously, I feel like I've had a problem in the past cycling in
cotton underwear and shorts/pants due to seams.

I wonder if there is a flickr page dedicated to saddle sores...


On Sep 16, 6:39 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:

  I wonder if the source of the knot is your clothing? Are you
  commuting bike clothes or just regular clothes.

 What are these Bike Clothes you speak of?

 Do they have a bicycle built into them?

 /sarcasm

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[David Estes]

I had a boil develop pretty much under/right next to my sit bone where it
contacted the saddle and had the seam of underwear (boxer-brief kind)
rubbing on the same spot.  TMI?  Wearing regular boxer underwear with only a
center seam gets rid of part of the problem, but now I seem pre-disposed to
a recurrence.

I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit that I haven't had this
problem since switching over to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA
shorts.

DE

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 7:04 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:


 By bike clothes I'm referring to a diaper equipped leotard.

 But seriously, I feel like I've had a problem in the past cycling in
 cotton underwear and shorts/pants due to seams.

 I wonder if there is a flickr page dedicated to saddle sores...


 On Sep 16, 6:39 am, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
  On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 9:37 AM, Mike mjawn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   I wonder if the source of the knot is your clothing? Are you
   commuting bike clothes or just regular clothes.
 
  What are these Bike Clothes you speak of?
 
  Do they have a bicycle built into them?
 
  /sarcasm
 
  -sv
 



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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Bruce]

Cotton is a poor choice for cycling underwear in most circumstances. I've used 
the RBW sold Norwegian wool boxers as well as British army surplus undyed wool 
boxers as liners under unpadded shorts with good results. I still apply Bag 
Balm for both its anti-microbe and anti-friction qualities.
For liners, I've really liked Zoic assault units that come in their mountain 
bike style shorts like Black Market and Ether. They are sold seperately 
too: http://www.zoic.com/assaultliner  I think they are hands down better than 
Andiamo and similar. They work well under MUSA shorts and you don't see the 
diaper.  The Zoic shorts are very comfortable as well and are in a rotation 
with MUSA. 
I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about 30 
miles.
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From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com



I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit that I haven't had this 
problem since switching over to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA shorts.

DE




  
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Brooklyn]

I think it is the seams.   Nylon, seamless works well for me.  I
have2 Brooks saddles that I ride frequently--The B17 is a dream
and I have an old Team Professional-also great.  Cotton and seams--not
good--I had lots of issues.

Cheers,
D

On Sep 16, 11:07 am, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Cotton is a poor choice for cycling underwear in most circumstances. I've 
 used the RBW sold Norwegian wool boxers as well as British army surplus 
 undyed wool boxers as liners under unpadded shorts with good results. I still 
 apply Bag Balm for both its anti-microbe and anti-friction qualities.
 For liners, I've really liked Zoic assault units that come in their 
 mountain bike style shorts like Black Market and Ether. They are sold 
 seperately too: http://www.zoic.com/assaultliner  I think they are hands down 
 better than Andiamo and similar. They work well under MUSA shorts and you 
 don't see the diaper.  The Zoic shorts are very comfortable as well and are 
 in a rotation with MUSA. 
 I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about 30 
 miles.
 --- On Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:

 From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

 I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit that I haven't had this 
 problem since switching over to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA shorts.

 DE
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Chuck]

  I have had that problem in the past.
It happened at a time I was putting a lot of miles in so I also
assumed it was the saddle. Turned out to be roofing in Carheart pants.
The stitching was rubbing me all day long.



On Sep 15, 4:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:
 Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
 to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
 reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
 Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
 nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
 think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
 noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
 recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
 the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
 color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
 knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
 just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
 and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

 Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
 not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
 Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
 finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
 the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
 saddle ideas.

 Thanks all.

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Drew Ellison]

Hello,
Don't know if this'll help, but haven't seen anyone else mention this.  
Cleanliness is key to maintaining good health in the nether regions. I  
have adult onset saddle sores I deal with, every year now. Never a  
problem until about 5 years ago. Your description sounds similar.

Here's what I've done to keep saddle sores in check.
1) Always wear clean shorts for every ride. This sounds obvious, but  
not all cyclists put a clean pair of cycling shorts on. This means you  
gotta have a bunch of shorts and keep up on the washing.
2) Never stand around in your shorts after a ride. Shower immediately  
after riding.
3) If a shower is not available, clean up with a sanitary wipe, like  
Germ-X antibacterial wipes. You can easily carry a couple in your  
saddle bag.
4) I also occasionally douse myself with Ammens medicated powder (with  
zinc-something or other) after showering. It keeps things nice and dry.

After much trial and error, this regimen has worked for me. YMMV.

Drew



On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:35 PM, avillage wrote:


 Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
 to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
 reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
 Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
 nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
 think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
 noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
 recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
 the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
 color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
 knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
 just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
 and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

 Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
 not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
 Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
 finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
 the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
 saddle ideas.

 Thanks all.
 


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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Ron Farnsworth]

Provided they fit ok to start with, I find the plastic saddles comfortable 
until the padding deteriorates usually within a few years. At that point they 
are ok for maybe a few hours of riding at a time, then you start to feel them 
bottoming out, ie. the plastic base getting through to the sit bones when the 
padding no longer does its thing. It only gets worse from there.
The B17's take some time (500 to 1000 miles?) to break in, but then seem to 
last about forever with an occasional touch of Obenaufs or whatever, and also 
seem to get progressively softer under the sit bones. That is my experience 
after about 15 saddles and 35 years of riding.
I can sit comfortably on my broken in B17 most of the day even without cycle 
shorts, but do stay away from seams between you and the seat.

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From: cm chrispmur...@hotmail.com
Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 1:09 PM



I say get rid of the Brooks. It ain't that comfy AND you have a butt
knot? hmmm... I think there are no better looking, more storied
saddles than Brooks, but if they dont work for you, they dont work. I
took the Brooks off my Riv and put on a Fizik-- a saddle that works
really well for me. I tried to find a picture on a Riv without a
Brooks on the intertubes and had a hard time. I jokingly wondered if
it was still a Riv without a Sugino crank (and a double no less!) and
without a Brooks. Turns out it still is, just more comfortable.

Could always try some girl saddles. They tend to be wider. Most
cyclists have extra saddles kicking around, maybe you could borrow a
few for a ride or two.

Cheers!
cm




  
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Mike]

Drew makes excellent points. There was a great article about saddle
sores in one of the Rivendell Readers. In fact... here's the article:

http://www.rivbike.com/article/misc/saddle_sores

I actually had a pretty impressive knot earlier this week. I work in
an ER and made a joke to a coworker about possibly having to check-in
to the urgent care to have it ID'd. It actually wasn't that bad. I
just look at these as something that comes with cycling as much as I
do. I commute daily and tend to do  3 to 4 50+ miles a week, usually
one of which is in the 80 mile range. I'm bound to have problems
cycling that much. I'm surprised I don't have them more often. I've
been using Brooks saddles exclusively for 2.5 yrs which isn't long on
the Brooks time space continuum but it's long enough to know I ain't
going back to Flites anytime soon.

I toured last month and used Ex Officio briefs and MUSA shorts with no
problems at all. One of the days was even 100+ miles. No problems. I
really think the majority of problems I have, including the most
recent knot, are related to seams and the cotton boxers I wear while
commuting. I work 12hr days. Sometimes I end up sitting for like 10 of
those 12hrs. Perhaps it's my office chair...


On Sep 16, 10:47 am, Drew Ellison drewelli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,
 Don't know if this'll help, but haven't seen anyone else mention this.  
 Cleanliness is key to maintaining good health in the nether regions. I  
 have adult onset saddle sores I deal with, every year now. Never a  
 problem until about 5 years ago. Your description sounds similar.

 Here's what I've done to keep saddle sores in check.
 1) Always wear clean shorts for every ride. This sounds obvious, but  
 not all cyclists put a clean pair of cycling shorts on. This means you  
 gotta have a bunch of shorts and keep up on the washing.
 2) Never stand around in your shorts after a ride. Shower immediately  
 after riding.
 3) If a shower is not available, clean up with a sanitary wipe, like  
 Germ-X antibacterial wipes. You can easily carry a couple in your  
 saddle bag.
 4) I also occasionally douse myself with Ammens medicated powder (with  
 zinc-something or other) after showering. It keeps things nice and dry.

 After much trial and error, this regimen has worked for me. YMMV.

 Drew

 On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:35 PM, avillage wrote:



  Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
  to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
  reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
  Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
  nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
  think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
  noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
  recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
  the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
  color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
  knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
  just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
  and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

  Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
  not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
  Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
  finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
  the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
  saddle ideas.

  Thanks all.
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[David Estes]

Love that name, but the link gives a 404.


On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Cotton is a poor choice for cycling underwear in most circumstances. I've
 used the RBW sold Norwegian wool boxers as well as British army surplus
 undyed wool boxers as liners under unpadded shorts with good results. I
 still apply Bag Balm for both its anti-microbe and anti-friction qualities.
 For liners, I've really liked Zoic assault units that come in their
 mountain bike style shorts like Black Market and Ether. They are sold
 seperately too: http://www.zoic.com/assaultliner  I think they are hands
 down better than Andiamo and similar. They work well under MUSA shorts and
 you don't see the diaper.  The Zoic shorts are very comfortable as well
 and are in a rotation with MUSA.

 I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on rides over about
 30 miles.

 --- On *Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com* wrote:


 From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com


 I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit that I haven't had this
 problem since switching over to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA
 shorts.

 DE



 



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Redlands, CA

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wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a gym.  ~Bill Nye,
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Steve Palincsar]

On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 16:35 -0700, David Estes wrote:
 Love that name, but the link gives a 404.

It just worked fine for me.

 
 
 On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Cotton is a poor choice for cycling underwear in most
 circumstances. I've used the RBW sold Norwegian wool boxers as
 well as British army surplus undyed wool boxers as liners
 under unpadded shorts with good results. I still apply Bag
 Balm for both its anti-microbe and anti-friction qualities.
 
 
 For liners, I've really liked Zoic assault units that come
 in their mountain bike style shorts like Black Market and
 Ether. They are sold seperately
 too: http://www.zoic.com/assaultliner  I think they are hands
 down better than Andiamo and similar.. They work well under
 MUSA shorts and you don't see the diaper.  The Zoic shorts
 are very comfortable as well and are in a rotation with MUSA. 
 
 
 I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on
 rides over about 30 miles.
 
 --- On Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
 Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
 I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit
 that I haven't had this problem since switching over
 to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA shorts.
 
 DE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheers,
 David
 Redlands, CA
 
 Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is
 something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a
 gym.  ~Bill Nye, scientist guy
 
  


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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[David Estes]

Up and running!  Ya'll must have crashed their server... never underestimate
the power of Rivendell!

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote:


 On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 16:35 -0700, David Estes wrote:
  Love that name, but the link gives a 404.

 It just worked fine for me.

 
 
  On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote:
  Cotton is a poor choice for cycling underwear in most
  circumstances. I've used the RBW sold Norwegian wool boxers as
  well as British army surplus undyed wool boxers as liners
  under unpadded shorts with good results. I still apply Bag
  Balm for both its anti-microbe and anti-friction qualities.
 
 
  For liners, I've really liked Zoic assault units that come
  in their mountain bike style shorts like Black Market and
  Ether. They are sold seperately
  too: http://www.zoic.com/assaultliner  I think they are hands
  down better than Andiamo and similar.. They work well under
  MUSA shorts and you don't see the diaper.  The Zoic shorts
  are very comfortable as well and are in a rotation with MUSA.
 
 
  I wear liners when breaking in new leather saddles and on
  rides over about 30 miles.
 
  --- On Wed, 9/16/09, David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  From: David Estes cyclotour...@gmail.com
  Subject: [RBW] Re: Saddles
  To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 
 
 
  I don't like having to wear bike diapers, but admit
  that I haven't had this problem since switching over
  to the REI Novara liners underneath MUSA shorts.
 
  DE
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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  David
  Redlands, CA
 
  Bicycling is a big part of the future. It has to be. There is
  something wrong with a society that drives a car to workout in a
  gym.  ~Bill Nye, scientist guy
 
  


 



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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[d2mini]

I commute with my shorts here in hot swampy houston sometimes the
entire week. :D
At the very least two days in a row. But it's only 12 miles each way.
No issues here.
But I do shower immediately after each ride like you said.

On Sep 16, 12:47 pm, Drew Ellison drewelli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hello,
 Don't know if this'll help, but haven't seen anyone else mention this.  
 Cleanliness is key to maintaining good health in the nether regions. I  
 have adult onset saddle sores I deal with, every year now. Never a  
 problem until about 5 years ago. Your description sounds similar.

 Here's what I've done to keep saddle sores in check.
 1) Always wear clean shorts for every ride. This sounds obvious, but  
 not all cyclists put a clean pair of cycling shorts on. This means you  
 gotta have a bunch of shorts and keep up on the washing.
 2) Never stand around in your shorts after a ride. Shower immediately  
 after riding.
 3) If a shower is not available, clean up with a sanitary wipe, like  
 Germ-X antibacterial wipes. You can easily carry a couple in your  
 saddle bag.
 4) I also occasionally douse myself with Ammens medicated powder (with  
 zinc-something or other) after showering. It keeps things nice and dry.

 After much trial and error, this regimen has worked for me. YMMV.

 Drew

 On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:35 PM, avillage wrote:





  Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
  to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
  reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
  Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
  nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
  think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
  noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
  recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
  the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
  color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
  knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
  just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
  and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

  Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
  not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
  Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
  finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
  the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
  saddle ideas.

  Thanks all.
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:

 Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
 to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
 reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
 Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
 nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
 think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
 noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
 recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
 the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
 color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
 knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
 just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
 and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

 Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
 not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
 Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
 finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
 the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
 saddle ideas.


Get a cheap wtb saddle - maybe an sst or a rocket-v or something like
that. pop it on for a few weeks - see if the knot is smaller or
larger.

It is possible it's not the saddle but something else you got away
from when you went hiking.

-sv

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Richard]

This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
available next Spring.  If the saddles become available, the Avocet
rep also said he will direct to the consumer.

On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:
 Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
 to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
 reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
 Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
 nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
 think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
 noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
 recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
 the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
 color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
 knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
 just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
 and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

 Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
 not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
 Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
 finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
 the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[eflayer]

have you done micro adjusting of b17 angle and setback.  they are
subtle sun a guns and seems sometime a milli here or there can change
a lot with that old clunker of a saddle.

On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote:
 This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
 available next Spring.  If the saddles become available, the Avocet
 rep also said he will direct to the consumer.

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  Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
  to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
  reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
  Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
  nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
  think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
  noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
  recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
  the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
  color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
  knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
  just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
  and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

  Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
  not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
  Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
  finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
  the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
  saddle ideas.

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[EricP]

+1.  The cheap WTB saddles are pretty nice.  And for you, it would be
an inexpensive way to make sure the Broos isn't causing the issue.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Sep 15, 3:41�pm, Seth Vidal skvi...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:35 PM, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:

  Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
  to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
  reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
  Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
  nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
  think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
  noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
  recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
  the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
  color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
  knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
  just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
  and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

  Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
  not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
  Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
  finding the �right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
  the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
  saddle ideas.

 Get a cheap wtb saddle - maybe an sst or a rocket-v or something like
 that. pop it on for a few weeks - see if the knot is smaller or
 larger.

 It is possible it's not the saddle but something else you got away
 from when you went hiking.

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[CycloFiend]

on 9/15/09 1:35 PM, avillage at avill...@verizon.net wrote:

 
 Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
 to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
 reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
 Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
 nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
 think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
 noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
 recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
 the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
 color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
 knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
 just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
 and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.
 
 Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
 not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
 Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
 finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
 the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
 saddle ideas.

With all of the Brooks saddles I've used, I find that after a short period
of time, I need to readjust the tilt.  The shape of the saddle will change
over time, and sometimes that means more pressure from different areas of
the saddle. 

Typically, once I readjust - normally a few mm's of tilting the nose down -
there isn't an issue. But, they are organic material, and as such subject to
changes over time, as opposed to a plastic formed shell, which normally
won't ever change.

hope that helps, but if it doesn't I wouldn't hesistate to try different
saddles, shorts, and changing regimen at work.

- J


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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[Solomander]

I have had great luck with Terry saddles.  I have used a Liberator, a
Fly and a Fly Tri gel, all with great results.  YMMV.

Joel
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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[avillage]

I haven't adjusted the saddle since the initial break-in period...you
know, ride a while, adjust a bit, ride some more, repeat, try to hit
the sweet spot. Haven't thought that another adjustment might be
necessary. Makes sense, though.

Reading that Avocet might produce again...well, I have hope for the
future if the B-17 doesn't fly.

On Sep 15, 7:55 pm, eflayer eddie.fla...@att.net wrote:
 have you done micro adjusting of b17 angle and setback.  they are
 subtle sun a guns and seems sometime a milli here or there can change
 a lot with that old clunker of a saddle.

 On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote:

  This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
  available next Spring.  If the saddles become available, the Avocet
  rep also said he will direct to the consumer.

  On Sep 15, 3:35 pm, avillage avill...@verizon.net wrote:

   Howdy. This is a bit embarassing and here goes anyway. I cycle commute
   to work each day on my Bleriot with a Brooks B-17. The saddle was
   reasonably comfortable and I thought it would break in and do the job.
   Previously, I'd ridden an Avocet O2 for years, a wonderful saddle,
   nearly as wide as the B-17, comfy, just right. They are no more, I
   think, after a long search. Anyway, I rode throughout this year
   noticing that the B-17 just wasn't that comfortable for me. Then,
   recently, I get this small knot on my butt right just in front of
   the sits bones that is not terribly painful against the saddle. Red in
   color, etc. I just returned from a hiking trip in the West and the
   knot is much smaller. Upon returning, I make a trip to the doc (not
   just for the know, but a 20,000 mile tune-up), she looks at the knot
   and believes it nothing, probably caused by the hard saddle.

   Ok, so now what to do...the B-17 has not been totally comfortable and
   not that bad, either and it may be causing me a physical problem.
   Maybe not. And, I don't really like saddle shopping because the
   finding the  right saddle is a function of how does it compare to
   the Avocet. I'd love to hear some thoughts on this and get some other
   saddle ideas.

   Thanks all.- Hide quoted text -

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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[R Gonet]

I have a B-17 and two Selle Anatomica's.  The SA's beat the Brooks
hands down.  And they're waterproof.


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[RBW] Re: Saddles

[bfd]

On Sep 15, 2:50 pm, Richard rsv...@netzero.net wrote:
 This won't help now, but a call to Avocet indicates the O2 might be
 available next Spring.  If the saddles become available, the Avocet
 rep also said he will direct to the consumer.

I use to love Avocet products, especially their O2 saddles and the old
Japanese-made Road 20 and 30 tires. BUT, I would take that rep's
might be available with a grain of salt. I called in 2007 asking
about saddles and it was suppose to be available in *Spring 2008.* I
wouldn't hold my breath.

Note, Avocet use to be one of the most innovative companies in the
business. Besides saddles and tires, their cyclocomputers use to be
one of  the best. They also had other stuff like cranks, hubs and
other hardware too.

I understand there was a change of ownership a few years back, but who
ever is running the ship is doing a very poor job. For example, they
never figured out how to sell through wholesale distributors like QBP.
Thus, shops would have to order direct, usually in large amounts.
Shops found this practice inconvenient and bought other products. End
result, the company's impractical and unfriendly marketing is one of
the reasons it is dying, if not dead. Too bad
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