Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[藍俊彪]

+1 on the single bolt seatposts. Those are the worst. I've always ended up
with a Thomson because way back in the 1990s they were the only 2-bolt
seatposts. Are there any alternatives nowadays? The Thomsons are pretty
spendy for something that seems like you could easily copy it.

On Tue, Mar 14, 2023 at 11:20 AM Brian Turner  wrote:

> The Park Tool SuperGrip compound is supposed to be for carbon or alloy
> use. I've heard it really doesn't matter though; apparently stuff that's
> advertised for carbon fiber can also be used on steel and aluminum... I've
> just never had to actually use it before. I would be surprised if the Nitto
> S-83 26.8 post is somehow "off" in sizing. I mean, it's Nitto after all.
> I've had the bike since October but it has only started slipping in the
> past couple of weeks, so I'm not sure what has changed to cause it to do
> so. I can see how the machined grooves on a Thomson or the cheapo Kalloys
> that a lot of Rivs come with would help to prevent slippage. My main issue
> with Thomson posts is that they do not provide enough setback for me, and I
> won't use the Kalloys because I can't stand single bolt saddle clamps.
>
> On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I've never needed anti-slip compound on any of my steel, aluminum or ti
>> frames.  Are you sure it's not the seatpost that's off in sizing? I
>> discovered, for instance, that the kalloy that came with my Roadini was
>> just no good. Replaced it with a Thomson and the problem just magically
>> went away. I did notice that the Thomson seatposts have some milling that
>> might improve grip, but then again, the cheapo seatpost on my Airborne
>> mountain bike (aluminum frame) never slipped either, so that milling
>> probably isn't even necessary. My impression with anti-slip compound was
>> that it was for carbon fiber seatposts (and I have cracked those) which
>> can't stand getting torqued.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Brian Turner]

The Park Tool SuperGrip compound is supposed to be for carbon or alloy use. 
I've heard it really doesn't matter though; apparently stuff that's 
advertised for carbon fiber can also be used on steel and aluminum... I've 
just never had to actually use it before. I would be surprised if the Nitto 
S-83 26.8 post is somehow "off" in sizing. I mean, it's Nitto after all. 
I've had the bike since October but it has only started slipping in the 
past couple of weeks, so I'm not sure what has changed to cause it to do 
so. I can see how the machined grooves on a Thomson or the cheapo Kalloys 
that a lot of Rivs come with would help to prevent slippage. My main issue 
with Thomson posts is that they do not provide enough setback for me, and I 
won't use the Kalloys because I can't stand single bolt saddle clamps.

On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 1:28:46 PM UTC-4 pi...@gmail.com wrote:

> I've never needed anti-slip compound on any of my steel, aluminum or ti 
> frames.  Are you sure it's not the seatpost that's off in sizing? I 
> discovered, for instance, that the kalloy that came with my Roadini was 
> just no good. Replaced it with a Thomson and the problem just magically 
> went away. I did notice that the Thomson seatposts have some milling that 
> might improve grip, but then again, the cheapo seatpost on my Airborne 
> mountain bike (aluminum frame) never slipped either, so that milling 
> probably isn't even necessary. My impression with anti-slip compound was 
> that it was for carbon fiber seatposts (and I have cracked those) which 
> can't stand getting torqued.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[藍俊彪]

I've never needed anti-slip compound on any of my steel, aluminum or ti
frames.  Are you sure it's not the seatpost that's off in sizing? I
discovered, for instance, that the kalloy that came with my Roadini was
just no good. Replaced it with a Thomson and the problem just magically
went away. I did notice that the Thomson seatposts have some milling that
might improve grip, but then again, the cheapo seatpost on my Airborne
mountain bike (aluminum frame) never slipped either, so that milling
probably isn't even necessary. My impression with anti-slip compound was
that it was for carbon fiber seatposts (and I have cracked those) which
can't stand getting torqued.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Richard Rose]

Brian, this is interesting to me because I could not get my S83 to go in the seat tube of my Gus. I too have always used Phil grease. The Kalloy post (also 26.8) slid right in. I am certain I could have gotten the S83 in there but did not want to scratch it Al up doing so. So far the Kalloy has not slipped - just two rides in. If it does I may just use carbon paste. I did that for my handlebar clamp and the Bosco has yet to slip.Sent from my iPhoneOn Mar 14, 2023, at 1:13 PM, Brian Turner  wrote:I too am curious as to how to use the SuperGrip compound on a seatpost. Normally, I would lightly grease the entire post (from the clamp area on down) with some Phil grease. With these gripping compounds, do you still use regular grease on the post but apply the grip compound to the area where the binder or seatpost clamp grips the post? Or are you supposed to use the grip compound on the entire post in lieu of regular grease?The Nitto S83 on my Gus has started slipping just a bit. I've torqued the binder bolt to 10 nm, but I'm afraid to tighten it much more than that because I don't want to break it. Most other bike I've had, I've tightened to no more than 8 nm, and they've held fine. This is the first post I've had that has had slippage issues.On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:09:19 PM UTC-4 brizbarn wrote:I had the same problem with my Appaloosa.  I did not grease the binder bolt at the head, or the threads. It slipped on my first ride, then broke when trying to tighten it down more.  I had an extra nut and bolt at home that I grease in both spots, and it has held tight since.  Something easy to overlook on a build.  On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part of the post? On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will at least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. One of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the knowledge to be shared.Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of commission. Thankfully it's back in action! On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first shakedown ride yesterday. I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using the park tool super grip?



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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Brian Turner]

I too am curious as to how to use the SuperGrip compound on a seatpost. 
Normally, I would lightly grease the entire post (from the clamp area on 
down) with some Phil grease. With these gripping compounds, do you still 
use regular grease on the post but apply the grip compound to the area 
where the binder or seatpost clamp grips the post? Or are you supposed to 
use the grip compound on the entire post in lieu of regular grease?

The Nitto S83 on my Gus has started slipping just a bit. I've torqued the 
binder bolt to 10 nm, but I'm afraid to tighten it much more than that 
because I don't want to break it. Most other bike I've had, I've tightened 
to no more than 8 nm, and they've held fine. This is the first post I've 
had that has had slippage issues.

On Sunday, March 12, 2023 at 4:09:19 PM UTC-4 brizbarn wrote:

> I had the same problem with my Appaloosa.  I did not grease the binder 
> bolt at the head, or the threads. It slipped on my first ride, then broke 
> when trying to tighten it down more.  I had an extra nut and bolt at home 
> that I grease in both spots, and it has held tight since.  Something easy 
> to overlook on a build.  
> On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra 
>> stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this 
>> alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part 
>> of the post? 
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will 
>>> at least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. 
>>> One of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the 
>>> difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the 
>>> knowledge to be shared.
>>>
>>> Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the 
>>> swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle 
>>> area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic 
>>> cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route 
>>> out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of 
>>> commission. Thankfully it's back in action!
>>> [image: Image.jpeg]
>>> [image: Image (3).jpeg]
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
 Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
 and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
 those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave 
 up 
 and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
 Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
 infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.

 On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
> the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my 
> first 
> shakedown ride yesterday. 
>
> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but 
> was curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on 
> using the park tool super grip?
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[brizbarn]

I had the same problem with my Appaloosa.  I did not grease the binder bolt 
at the head, or the threads. It slipped on my first ride, then broke when 
trying to tighten it down more.  I had an extra nut and bolt at home that I 
grease in both spots, and it has held tight since.  Something easy to 
overlook on a build.  
On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 9:35:00 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra 
> stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this 
> alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part 
> of the post? 
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>
>> Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will at 
>> least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. One 
>> of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the 
>> difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the 
>> knowledge to be shared.
>>
>> Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the 
>> swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle 
>> area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic 
>> cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route 
>> out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of 
>> commission. Thankfully it's back in action!
>> [image: Image.jpeg]
>> [image: Image (3).jpeg]
>>  
>>
>> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
>>> Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
>>> and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
>>> those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up 
>>> and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
>>> Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
>>> infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>>
 Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
 the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
 shakedown ride yesterday. 

 I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
 curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
 the park tool super grip?




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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Drew Henson]

Update - I put some park tool super grip on there for a little extra 
stickiness. Anyone have experience with this stuff? Do you just use this 
alone on a seat post or is it combined with some grease on the lower part 
of the post? 

On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 7:57:02 AM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Whelp greasing the clamp bolt worked, much to my amazement, which will at 
> least hold me over until the nitto seat post and carbon paste shows up. One 
> of the great things about bikes is one tiny thing can make all the 
> difference. And one of the great things about this group is all the 
> knowledge to be shared.
>
> Speaking of greasing the bolts, here is the new sam waiting at the 
> swinging bridge over the Duwamish River this morning. Those in the Seattle 
> area know that this bridge was recently closed to replace a hydraulic 
> cylinder that allows the bridge to swing open. This is the main bike route 
> out of West Seattle and it was a major pain to commute with it out of 
> commission. Thankfully it's back in action!
> [image: Image.jpeg]
> [image: Image (3).jpeg]
>  
>
> On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 6:23:56 AM UTC-8 pi...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
>> Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
>> and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
>> those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up 
>> and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
>> Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
>> infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.
>>
>> On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:
>>
>>> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with 
>>> the frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
>>> shakedown ride yesterday. 
>>>
>>> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
>>> curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
>>> the park tool super grip?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: Seat Post Slippage

[Piaw Na]

Yup. I worked with Rivendell on my kalloy seatpost that came with the 
Roadini slipping. Greased the binder bolt, etc. Darn thing still slipped, 
and in any case that kalloy would never stay level (I guess I know why all 
those pictures of Rivendell bikes have saddles pointed upwards!). I gave up 
and bought a Thomson Elite masterpiece and never had a problem since. The 
Thompson also had the advantage of being a 2 bolt seatpost that's 
infinitely adjustable and doesn't nose itself upwards.

On Thursday, January 26, 2023 at 12:14:39 PM UTC-8 Drew Henson wrote:

> Anyone have any issues with the stock seat post (the one included with the 
> frame) slipping with the latest sam frames? Happened to me on my first 
> shakedown ride yesterday. 
>
> I have a new nitto stem and some park tool supergrip on the way but was 
> curious if anyone else experienced this. Or if there's any advice on using 
> the park tool super grip?
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Seat post slippage

[frankie garcia]

Typical bike shop procedure is to use a flex hone on the end of a hand drill. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2018, at 9:44 AM, Brian Campbell  wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I have owned 3 Rivs (AHH/Hunq/Custom) and ALL have needed to have the 
> seat tubes reamed to the correct size. All three would scratch up seat posts 
> terribly when they were inserted. I spent about 3 hours with a brake cylinder 
> hone and 400 grit sand paper getting the AHH seat tube so that it would not 
> mar seat posts. Also none of the seat lugs were over tightened.
> 
> I took the Hunq and the Custom to a local builder and had him ream the seat 
> tubes with the proper size tool. Both had metal  shavings that needed to be 
> removed from the bottom brackets afterward. That tells me that something was 
> not correct/complete in the frame prep, at least in my case(s). If I were to 
> buy another Riv frame the fist step would be a though going over by a 
> builder/shop to ensure everything is correct.
> 
> My AHH needed to have the derailleur hanger aligned as it was bent (maybe in 
> shipping) and would not allow for proper indexing when shifting. The frame 
> was brand new from RIv. It works fine now and has for the last 7 years. It 
> was not a big deal just something to be aware of when working with steel 
> frames. They might need a few tweaks now nd again.
> .
> 
>> On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>> I have a tapered round file. It lets you get in there at a slight angle so 
>> you can make some passes at the ridge without rubbing at the top of the lug.
> 
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[RBW] Re: Seat post slippage

[Brian Campbell]

FWIW, I have owned 3 Rivs (AHH/Hunq/Custom) and ALL have needed to have the 
seat tubes reamed to the correct size. All three would scratch up seat 
posts terribly when they were inserted. I spent about 3 hours with a brake 
cylinder hone and 400 grit sand paper getting the AHH seat tube so that it 
would not mar seat posts. Also none of the seat lugs were over tightened.

I took the Hunq and the Custom to a local builder and had him ream the seat 
tubes with the proper size tool. Both had metal  shavings that needed to be 
removed from the bottom brackets afterward. That tells me that something 
was not correct/complete in the frame prep, at least in my case(s). If I 
were to buy another Riv frame the fist step would be a though going over by 
a builder/shop to ensure everything is correct.

My AHH needed to have the derailleur hanger aligned as it was bent (maybe 
in shipping) and would not allow for proper indexing when shifting. The 
frame was brand new from RIv. It works fine now and has for the last 7 
years. It was not a big deal just something to be aware of when working 
with steel frames. They might need a few tweaks now nd again.
.

On Thursday, October 11, 2018 at 10:05:58 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I have a tapered round file. It lets you get in there at a slight angle so 
> you can make some passes at the ridge without rubbing at the top of the 
> lug. 

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[RBW] Re: Seat post slippage

[Joe Bernard]

I have a tapered round file. It lets you get in there at a slight angle so you 
can make some passes at the ridge without rubbing at the top of the lug. 

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[RBW] Re: Seat post slippage

[Carl]

 Thanks everyone who responded with advice. I did find a low ridge inside 
the lug, which extends about 1/3 of the way around the inside of the lug. 
It looks like where the seat tube ends. Now I have to figure out how to 
file that smooth without scraping the paint at the top of the lug.

On Tuesday, October 9, 2018 at 10:45:59 AM UTC-4, Carl wrote:
>
> Hello Forum-ites, Any advice on how to stop the seat post on my 2017 Clem 
> H from slipping to one side? I removed it, wiped all the grease off, put it 
> back together, and tightened the bolt very tight. It maintains the height 
> without getting pushed down into the seat tube, but still slips a little to 
> one side or the other every time I ride. My ride includes going up some 
> steep hills, which seems to be when it happens most. I think the threads 
> may be about to strip on the bolt, so I plan to replace that and take 
> whatever other steps are needed. Thanks for any and all suggestions.
>
>
> - Carl in western NC
>

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