[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
I rode tubulars on an 80's steel road bike for a few years. I am a younger, newer rider (26 years old at time of press) so I didn't have the "first bike" experience you mentioned, but I was drawn to tubulars for the ride quality and weight savings. I used Continental Sprinter Gatorskins I think. I also put Stan's sealant in them to avoid flats, and it worked really well! The only failure/flat I had was from a pile of glass shredding both tires to an unusable state. I had also at various times used Vittoria, Contiential Rally, and Panaracer tubs on this bike and carbon race wheels but the Sprinters were my go-to. I think I would like to try it again. I quit using tubulars, though now I do have a 70's Jack Taylor with some Schwalbe G one 30mm tires mounted. Not many miles on them though. On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:02:26 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: > > Hi - > > My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular] > tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy > grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars: > > 1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the > pavement. All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide. > > 2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off the > bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via two-sided > tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering the seam > in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the leak, patch > the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the strip covering > the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim. > > I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post > on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels > to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and > I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike. > > Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? The > rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of > bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the > Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars? > I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Corwin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/579e2c88-dfca-4ec7-9c62-772d8b5a650e%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
And there is a this newly dug rabbit hole right in front of me... Clayton Scott HBG, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/78a4cadb-88a4-4fa9-b59e-b4495b53daca%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
Hi Bill(s) - I don't really care where the thread goes - especially if my question gets answered along the way. HED Belgium gives me another option. Namaste, Corwin On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:35:18 PM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote: > > Corwin, > > I didn’t mean to hijack your thread. I apologize. You asked about Major > Toms and I am using them with good luck so far so thought I was responding > appropriately and then answered resulting direct questions. I built up > another set with Mavic Reflex and those have been fine as well. Mine were > used and I thought no longer available new but see now that they are. I > think they are narrower than the Major Toms. Not sure there are many other > choices besides carbon or wood. > > I agreed with Jan’s comment. > > Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/1aad5f37-da63-48a9-a3c3-e9008f7799a0%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
The money-is-no-object best tubular rim for a Rivendell custom is, in my opinion, the HED Belgium. I don't run the tubular variant, but I run several wheelsets built around the clincher HED Belgium, Belgium Plus, and Ardennes wheels. They are exceptional rims. Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 4:03:15 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: > > Hi - > > Can we get back to the question I posed? The original question was: Which > rim is best for tubulars? The only mention of a rim I've seen so far is the > Major Tom's Bill ran on his Atlantis. Does anyone else have experience on > rims other than Velocity Major Tom's? > > And for Patrick - > > To quote Jan: "A wide tires has so much casing that the clincher rim no > longer makes up a significant portion of the tire’s circumference. And that > means that with truly wide tires, the advantages of tubulars disappear. But > for narrow tires, a great tubular will transform your bike." > > I do not think you will find many tubulars much wider that 34mm. > > Namaste, > > > Corwin > > On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:02:26 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: >> >> Hi - >> >> My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular] >> tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy >> grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars: >> >> 1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the >> pavement. All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide. >> >> 2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off >> the bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via >> two-sided tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering >> the seam in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the >> leak, patch the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the >> strip covering the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim. >> >> I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post >> on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels >> to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and >> I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike. >> >> Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? >> The rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of >> bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the >> Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars? >> I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires. >> >> Thanks in advance for your help. >> >> >> >> Corwin >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/689adfa1-dcba-4351-aa4d-7ea2d56a8d54%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
Corwin, I didn’t mean to hijack your thread. I apologize. You asked about Major Toms and I am using them with good luck so far so thought I was responding appropriately and then answered resulting direct questions. I built up another set with Mavic Reflex and those have been fine as well. Mine were used and I thought no longer available new but see now that they are. I think they are narrower than the Major Toms. Not sure there are many other choices besides carbon or wood. I agreed with Jan’s comment. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/bd792022-27c4-4217-95be-d19b141b4742%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
Hi - Can we get back to the question I posed? The original question was: Which rim is best for tubulars? The only mention of a rim I've seen so far is the Major Tom's Bill ran on his Atlantis. Does anyone else have experience on rims other than Velocity Major Tom's? And for Patrick - To quote Jan: "A wide tires has so much casing that the clincher rim no longer makes up a significant portion of the tire’s circumference. And that means that with truly wide tires, the advantages of tubulars disappear. But for narrow tires, a great tubular will transform your bike." I do not think you will find many tubulars much wider that 34mm. Namaste, Corwin On Tuesday, March 31, 2020 at 10:02:26 PM UTC-7, Corwin wrote: > > Hi - > > My first really nice bike had sew-up [now usually referred to as tubular] > tires. This was back in the day (mid '70s) of 27" wheels, full campy > grouppo, etc. I recall two things about sew-ups/tubulars: > > 1) The ride was incredible. Very smooth. Seemed to glide over the > pavement. All this even though the tires were less than 30mm wide. > > 2) Flats were a major hassle to fix. First you had to get the tire off the > bike. Sew-ups/tubulars are either glued to the rim or secured via two-sided > tape. Then you had to find the leak, pull back the strip covering the seam > in the casing (whence the name - sew-up), cut the seam near the leak, patch > the tube inside, re-sew the seam in the casing, secure the strip covering > the seam and reinstall the tire on the rim. > > I had relegated sew-ups to the distant past until I saw Jan's recent post > on tubulars. That got me to thinking about a new set of Rich-built wheels > to go on my Riv custom. I have another bike to put the current set on, and > I would like to recover some of the ride of the old bike. > > Which leads me to my question - which rim would be best for my wheels? The > rims need to be compatible with tubulars. Having ridden several sets of > bomb-proof wheels using Velocity rims, I naturally gravitated to the > Velocity Major Tom. Is there a better or more appropriate rim for tubulars? > I'm planning on using Jan's FMB tubulars; probably one of the 33mm tires. > > Thanks in advance for your help. > > > > Corwin > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/18e66cd3-e0c9-45bb-84c2-2bc98b1db717%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
Bill, I think that the tubular-sho Atlantis is an amazing thing -- kudos. I had no idea tubulars existed in that size. Pretty neat. I's love to see a photo -- and I think you should send a photo to Will at Riv for the Blug I have a '70's vintage road bike with tubulars -- cheap ones at the moment, not ridden much, but they're great compared to the 25c clincher alternative for that bike. Perhaps i'll look for used higher-end tires. Odd to think tubulars might be experiencing a mini-renaissance. In the early '80s I worked at a road- oriented shop that had lots of training tubulars to patch in the winter. Julian Westerhout Bloomington, IL On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 9:30:09 AM UTC-5, Bill Schairer wrote: > > Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, > including my Atlantis, to tubular. The Atlantis was the last and the only > one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms. The rear hub is a Deore XT > and the front a Shimano dynahub. Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph > 50mm tires on the Atlantis. I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup > and am quite happy with it. Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 > tubular miles. I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture > and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. > Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road. I have opened up > two tires to repair punctures. One was a used FMB purchased with the > puncture. Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and > all part of the learning process and experience. I am no longer > intimidated by it. Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will > hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick. If it > can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess. Open the tire up instead. > Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding > tubeless. I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. > I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires > without sealant without suffering punctures. I did a 400 mile tour in New > England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a > liability to my buddies. Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant > wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire. There > were 4 of us. Two flats but none were mine. The others were paranoid > about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no > problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have > switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. > > I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. > They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, > mounting etc and now serve as spares. They got me over the intimidation > phase. I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires. They are 28mm and super > comfortable and easy to mount. I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in > back. I’m 170 lbs. I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). > They are absolutely dreamy. I had them on a backup bike which became not > a backup. I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour > this fall (ha - good luck with that). The bike has fallen back to backup > status. I was riding those at 30/35! At the pressures I’ve been riding > tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the > squishy, lack of control feeling. I was just never able to dial in any > clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road feel. I have been > quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am glad he now is. > I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider than a tubular > in the 30’s for comfort. I can ride the FMB’s at the same pressure as the > 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much better feel > on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough stuff, > sand, or mud. > > Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to > address the expense issue a bit): > > FMB Sprint purchased used. Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it > is > Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale. All 4 have around 1800 > miles. The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon. > > Considerably down scale: > Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum > recommendations. Nice but I’m never drawn to them. > Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a > smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm. > Dugast Ghiros (32,33) purchased used. Comparable to Steilacooms but I can > ride at lower pressure even though narrower. Like the RR’s, tread pattern > not really ideal for most of the riding I do but got em cheap and wanted to > try them out. They are on that backup bike now which
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
Aren't cycle cross tires (uci sanctioned anyway) restricted to something like 33 or 35mm? I think I've read that pro mtn bikers also use tubulars, though I've never seen em for sale. Perhaps they exist but are not generally available. Back in the early 90's when I was still riding sew ups (got my first set in the late 70's) I had a hard time finding a shop in silicon valley that would rebuild my campi hi flange / arc en ciel wheels as tubulars. Shop after shop wanted me to go with mavic clincher rims. I finally stumbled onto uncle al on the north end of cupertino (i think) who of course made a fabulous job of it (built wheels for lemond too). He even spontaneously tied and soldered em cause it seemed like a nice classic touch for a classic pair of wheels. I never thought tubulars were all that hard to deal with, and they definitely rode great. Also I never had a pinch flat or "snake bite". But eventually I've adopted more mainstream modern equipment and no longer ride sew ups or freewheel hubs. Except for a track bike, I don't think I would accept the expense and limited selection/availability of tires and rims that going back to sew ups would entail. I do think its neat that some folks outside the pro racing scene are doing it though, and I look forward to hearing more about how they are doing with it. On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 8:05:39 AM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: > > > "Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a > smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm." > > I didn't realize there was a Racing Ralph tubular. I looked it up and > there it is. It's really cool to me that there is a Rivendell Atlantis out > there in the world running Cyclocross Racing Sewups! > > Anyway, the size I found was a 700x35. You say you have a 700x50 version > of the Racing Ralph sewup? Where did you buy it? I'm SUPER intrigued by > that possibility, and it has the brain gears turning... > > > Bill Lindsay > El Cerrito, CA > > On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:30:09 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote: >> >> Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, >> including my Atlantis, to tubular. The Atlantis was the last and the only >> one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms. The rear hub is a Deore XT >> and the front a Shimano dynahub. Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph >> 50mm tires on the Atlantis. I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup >> and am quite happy with it. Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 >> tubular miles. I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture >> and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. >> Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road. I have opened up >> two tires to repair punctures. One was a used FMB purchased with the >> puncture. Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and >> all part of the learning process and experience. I am no longer >> intimidated by it. Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will >> hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick. If it >> can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess. Open the tire up instead. >> Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding >> tubeless. I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. >> I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires >> without sealant without suffering punctures. I did a 400 mile tour in New >> England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a >> liability to my buddies. Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant >> wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire. There >> were 4 of us. Two flats but none were mine. The others were paranoid >> about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no >> problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have >> switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. >> >> I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. >> They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, >> mounting etc and now serve as spares. They got me over the intimidation >> phase. I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires. They are 28mm and super >> comfortable and easy to mount. I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in >> back. I’m 170 lbs. I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). >> They are absolutely dreamy. I had them on a backup bike which became not >> a backup. I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour >> this fall (ha - good luck with that). The bike has fallen back to backup >> status. I was riding those at 30/35! At the pressures I’ve been riding >> tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the >> squishy, lack of control feeling. I was just never able to dial in any >>
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Schwalbe-Racing-Ralph-Tubular-MTB-Tire-29x2-0-Black-with-PaceStar-Tread/303018970423?epid=26011375018=item468d568d37:g:WOMAAOSwWk5cL6XW Damn, I offered him $50 a month or two ago and he turned me down! I think I wound up buying them for $65 per tire (I think msrp is around $150!). I since picked up a third for $20 that some non-bike seller was selling on ebay but didn’t know the size. I took a chance and they were 622’s not 26” (which I think are also available as tubulars) so that was a score and between the 3 I’m at this current price. It is not clear to me whether Schwalbe is still making these tires. Dugast also makes greater than 40mm tubulars and will even put your choice of tread on at no extra cost, but they are expensive. It seems the cyclocross guys sometimes sell their tires after the season so that is how I’ve picked up the FMB’s and Dugasts. For me, it was a way to try out the really high quality tires at a reasonable cost. Often they seem to be with the entire wheel set though. I had read that going to a high quality tubular over mid level was another quantum leap. As far as the FMB’s go, I would say that is true but I don’t have enough miles on them to judge durability and, besides, I got them used. I found the Vittoria Rally’s to be on par with the Vittoria Open Pave clinchers. The Veloflex are a quantum leap above that and the FMB’s another step up. Bill S -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/3cfdb2ec-7bde-42b7-bec9-e3ed5b2becd8%40googlegroups.com.
[RBW] Re: Sew-Ups Anyone?
"Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm." I didn't realize there was a Racing Ralph tubular. I looked it up and there it is. It's really cool to me that there is a Rivendell Atlantis out there in the world running Cyclocross Racing Sewups! Anyway, the size I found was a 700x35. You say you have a 700x50 version of the Racing Ralph sewup? Where did you buy it? I'm SUPER intrigued by that possibility, and it has the brain gears turning... Bill Lindsay El Cerrito, CA On Wednesday, April 1, 2020 at 7:30:09 AM UTC-7, Bill Schairer wrote: > > Over the past year and a half I have converted my 4 most ridden bikes, > including my Atlantis, to tubular. The Atlantis was the last and the only > one with “modern” tubular rims, the Major Toms. The rear hub is a Deore XT > and the front a Shimano dynahub. Right now I have Schwalbe Racing Ralph > 50mm tires on the Atlantis. I’ve put more or less 300 miles on this setup > and am quite happy with it. Overall, I’m guessing I have roughly 6,000 > tubular miles. I have changed exactly two tires on the road, one puncture > and one blowout of a used, rotten tire I shouldn’t have been riding. > Definitely easier than fixing a clincher on the road. I have opened up > two tires to repair punctures. One was a used FMB purchased with the > puncture. Definitely a bit time consuming but not as bad as I expected and > all part of the learning process and experience. I am no longer > intimidated by it. Otherwise, my experience has been that if the tire will > hold enough air to get reasonably hard, sealant will do the trick. If it > can’t hold air at all, sealant will make a mess. Open the tire up instead. > Once the tire has sealant, as near as I can tell, it must be like riding > tubeless. I pulled a 1” brad out of a tire that I found after I got home. > I’m still riding the tire. I’ve pulled 3 goat-heads out of front tires > without sealant without suffering punctures. I did a 400 mile tour in New > England with 4 spares and sealant because I didn’t want to become a > liability to my buddies. Figured I’d have to get 5 flats that sealant > wouldn’t cure before I would have to worry about opening a tire. There > were 4 of us. Two flats but none were mine. The others were paranoid > about riding off pavement on their clinchers but I had no fear and no > problems. Around home, I was riding with one spare and sealant but have > switched to two spares, saving sealant for home repairs. > > I began my journey with Vittoria Rallys despite all the negative reviews. > They are cheap so made a good learning tire for stretching, gluing, > mounting etc and now serve as spares. They got me over the intimidation > phase. I really like Veloflex Vlaanderen tires. They are 28mm and super > comfortable and easy to mount. I ride them at 60 psi in front and 75psi in > back. I’m 170 lbs. I picked up a pair of used FMB Sprints (32mm, 33 mm). > They are absolutely dreamy. I had them on a backup bike which became not > a backup. I finally took them off wanting to save them for a planned tour > this fall (ha - good luck with that). The bike has fallen back to backup > status. I was riding those at 30/35! At the pressures I’ve been riding > tubulars I would be pinch flatting clinchers and not tolerating the > squishy, lack of control feeling. I was just never able to dial in any > clincher (including Compass) for comfort and road feel. I have been > quietly wondering why Jan was not offering tubulars and am glad he now is. > I, so far, will agree that there is little need to go wider than a tubular > in the 30’s for comfort. I can ride the FMB’s at the same pressure as the > 50mm Racing Ralphs and they are more comfortable and have much better feel > on the road but the RR’s do provide much better float for rough stuff, > sand, or mud. > > Here is how I would rate the tires I have purchased - none at MSRP(just to > address the expense issue a bit): > > FMB Sprint purchased used. Dreamy and probably worth MSRP, as high as it > is > Veloflex Vlaanderen, 2 sets purchased on sale. All 4 have around 1800 > miles. The rears are getting a bit thin and will need to be retired soon. > > Considerably down scale: > Vittoria Pave Evo CG 27MM purchased on sale after reading forum > recommendations. Nice but I’m never drawn to them. > Schwalbe Racing Ralphs - really a class by themselves - I’d prefer a > smoother tread but not a lot of choice at 50mm. > Dugast Ghiros (32,33) purchased used. Comparable to Steilacooms but I can > ride at lower pressure even though narrower. Like the RR’s, tread pattern > not really ideal for most of the riding I do but got em cheap and wanted to > try them out. They are on that backup bike now which just does not draw me > like it did with the FMB’s > > Schwalbe G-one 30mm purchased on sale and
