[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
BMX cassette driver hubs don't have interchangeble cogs, the cog and the freehub body are one piece. That allows them to run something like a 9t(!) rear cog on the microdrive setups currently popular with BMX'ers. The SunXCD 5spd, 120mm cassette hub first appeared on the radar about a year ago (just after the Taipei show?), but it seemed like it was only available in Asia. Now it seems Merry Sales has set up a import deal with them, but the stuff hasn't appeared on US shores yet. I'd expect it to appear sometime this year, keep an eye on the Soma/Merry blog or ask your local LBS with a Merry Sales account to keep an eye on the monthly flyers that Merry sends out. I want them to mate the 5spd cassette body to 130 or 135mm spaced hub, with appropriately wide and symmetric flanges. Or maybe I'll try the cassette SS with many cogs thing one of these days. Ira Ryan put 4 of 8 on a CK hub on his Oregon Manifest bike a couple of years ago: http://www.flickr.com/photos/iraryancycles/6190450769/in/faves-85709120@N07/ On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:43:34 PM UTC-7, Jay B wrote: you're right, Keith, the 130mm isn't a drastic move at all. i have a 105 hub that slides right into the dropouts on the QB. i'll look into those Profile Racing 120mm hubs. I know next to nothing about BMX specific components. -Jay B. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:16:17 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end of Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might not be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the idea. The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing. A quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single speed cassette hubs. Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too. Not sure what the freehub interface looks like, though: https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog: http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58 He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, less-dished wheel. Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette hub that will fit them? Maybe others, too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
That is interesting, but you can get at least a little of these benefits by running a 7 speed Shimano cassette body while keeping the 135 mm spacing instead of 126. You can do this either by retrofitting the shorter body on a later, 8-9-10 speed hub, or by retrofitting a longer axle on a 7 speed wheel. I've done this and even with a 130 mm spaced rear wheel the remaining dish is very little. Why does JJ choose those rather odd and large teeth combinations? They would do very well, for me, on pavement with, say, a 52/42 ring combo or, for closer gaps, with a 52/48 half step ring combo. Of course, those are meant for off road use, but you'd still want pretty large rings to get a usable series. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 9:14 AM, iamkeith keithhar...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog: http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58 He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, less-dished wheel. Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette hub that will fit them? Maybe others, too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
thanks Keith. those hacked Jones cassettes are what got me thinking about adding some gears to the QB a while back. i can squeeze a 130mm hub in there, but i'd really rather not. i like the idea of a 120mm cassette hub, and a homebrew short cassette. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:14:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog: http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58 He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, less-dished wheel. Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette hub that will fit them? Maybe others, too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
I have a wheel with Chris King hub and JJ sprocket. Believe Hope and I9 (or something like that) also make SS hubs that work. Patrick - I have mine for off road loaded touring. The range seems right for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Matthew: what rings do you use? I used a 46/36/24 with a 16-18-20-22-24-28-34 or something like that on the Fargo before I went with a 38/24 double and smaller cogs. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: I have a wheel with Chris King hub and JJ sprocket. Believe Hope and I9 (or something like that) also make SS hubs that work. Patrick - I have mine for off road loaded touring. The range seems right for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other track bike. My Ross would be the best candidate, since it has cable stops, and I have a derailleur claw adapter. Problem Solvers has clamp-on DT shifter mounts, zip-tie cable guides, and a chain tensioner than can be used as a derailleur hanger. The QB would need cablestops fabricated, I think. Definitely post any Quickbeam hacks! Philip www.biketinker.com On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 10:12:16 AM UTC-7, Jay B wrote: thanks Keith. those hacked Jones cassettes are what got me thinking about adding some gears to the QB a while back. i can squeeze a 130mm hub in there, but i'd really rather not. i like the idea of a 120mm cassette hub, and a homebrew short cassette. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 11:14:59 AM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: I'm curious about these too, and about what additional hubs they'll release. In the meantime, check out Jeff Jones' blog: http://www.jonesbikes.com/?option=com_wordpresslang=enp=2210Itemid=58 He's been making his own short cassettes for a while for his bikes, by modifying 9-speed shimano components - primarily to get a stronger, less-dished wheel. Sounds like Chris King makes a single-speed cassette hub that will fit them? Maybe others, too -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Not set up yet. Plan right now is single speed 42 for the my initial planned off road trip on the Wisconsin Adventure Trail. If I can work the time to do some other off road trips to more challenging terrain I think I might try the White Eno with Bash Guard with the 34. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:44:10 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: Matthew: what rings do you use? I used a 46/36/24 with a 16-18-20-22-24-28-34 or something like that on the Fargo before I went with a 38/24 double and smaller cogs. On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 12:34 PM, Matthew J matth...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I have a wheel with Chris King hub and JJ sprocket. Believe Hope and I9 (or something like that) also make SS hubs that work. Patrick - I have mine for off road loaded touring. The range seems right for that. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- http://resumespecialties.com/index.html patric...@resumespecialties.com javascript: __ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Oops. Should have said a 1x set up. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Oh yeah. I guess I forgot that the quickbeam is 120mm. The chris king SS hub is obviously 130mm: http://chrisking.com/hubs/hbs_sspeed Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end of Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might not be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the idea. The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing. A quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single speed cassette hubs. Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too. Not sure what the freehub interface looks like, though: https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110 On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 12:55:51 PM UTC-6, Philip Williamson wrote: The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other track bike. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Or keep the Single/fixed gear the same and buy a second bike? This seems more like a study of can I do this, rather than should I do this.. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain. I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff wheel. Of course Rohloff has more gears. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
In the fat bike world, the 6-of-9 truncated cassette on a SS cassette hub allows the chain to clear a fatter-than-spec tire/rim combination. Fat bikes require a bit of a steep learning curve. If you're of a roadie mindset, the tire pressures, the bottom bracket widths, the frame offsets, and the gearing, can throw you for a loop. On my Moonlander, I have a 22/36 crank with a 12-36 10s cassette. If I wanted to run something approaching Moonlander tires/rims on a Pugsley, I'd likely have to go to a single ring crank and an outward-spaced truncated cassette. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:51:48 PM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote: The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain. I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff wheel. Of course Rohloff has more gears. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Sorry, Matthew - I didn't make myself clear. I simply meant that if you really wanted to use a hub with a short cassette, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch (no pun intended) to use a 130mm hub, where a 120 is intended. I was referencing the Rohloff thing because people have done it, even though it's wider yet. I realize you've thought about the 130mm option, but weren't sure if you were aware of the previous successful hacks. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 1:51:48 PM UTC-6, Matthew J wrote: The main advantage of the Jeff Jones short cassette is you can build a dishless, hence stronger wheel with a range of gears for varying terrain. I'ld have to go back and figure out all the component weights, but I imagine even with a rear der the whole set up weighs less than a Rohloff wheel. Of course Rohloff has more gears. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
In the fat bike world, the 6-of-9 truncated cassette on a SS cassette hub allows the chain to clear a fatter-than-spec tire/rim combination. Fat bikes require a bit of a steep learning curve. If you're of a roadie mindset, the tire pressures, the bottom bracket widths, the frame offsets, and the gearing, can throw you for a loop. On my Moonlander, I have a 22/36 crank with a 12-36 10s cassette. If I wanted to run something approaching Moonlander tires/rims on a Pugsley, I'd likely have to go to a single ring crank and an outward-spaced truncated cassette. Jim - thanks for this. Jeff Jones is clearly a fat bike denzien. But the short cassette, I hope anyway, has applications even for those of us who have not quite yet made our way to the fat bike world. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
Sorry, Matthew - I didn't make myself clear. I simply meant that if you really wanted to use a hub with a short cassette, it wouldn't be that much of a stretch (no pun intended) to use a 130mm hub, where a 120 is intended. I was referencing the Rohloff thing because people have done it, even though it's wider yet. I realize you've thought about the 130mm option, but weren't sure if you were aware of the previous successful hacks. My reasons are probably more in man from Mars territory. My road bike with the most gears is a 12 speed. My short tourer and city bike are five and single speed. So I was naturally attracted to which as Jim points out are Fat Bike solutions for my off road tourer, even though it will not be a fat bike. And full confession - some of my design theories have not panned out in the past. Maybe I'll be in the middle of Wisconsin this somewhere having a what the hay dilly dilly was I thinking moment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
yeah, Philip, I ordered the Problem Solvers downtube cable stops and derailer hanger back in the fall after first contemplating this, but i eventually talked myself out of the hack. i totally forgot about the lack of chainstay cable stops. gonna have to think on that one... -Jay B. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 2:55:51 PM UTC-4, Philip Williamson wrote: The 120mm spacing is the key to retrofitting a Quickbeam, or any other track bike. My Ross would be the best candidate, since it has cable stops, and I have a derailleur claw adapter. Problem Solvers has clamp-on DT shifter mounts, zip-tie cable guides, and a chain tensioner than can be used as a derailleur hanger. The QB would need cablestops fabricated, I think. Definitely post any Quickbeam hacks! Philip www.biketinker.com -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: Short Rear Cassette Hub?
you're right, Keith, the 130mm isn't a drastic move at all. i have a 105 hub that slides right into the dropouts on the QB. i'll look into those Profile Racing 120mm hubs. I know next to nothing about BMX specific components. -Jay B. On Tuesday, April 16, 2013 3:16:17 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote: Given the fact that several people have successfully re-set the rear end of Simple Ones to utilize 135mm Rohloff hubs though, I think 130mm might not be too drastic of a modification, if someone were really set on the idea. The other option might be to go *smalle*r - to a BMX 110 mm spacing. A quick web search turns up at least one mfgr., Profile, has several single speed cassette hubs. Looks like they even offer a 120mm upgrade too. Not sure what the freehub interface looks like, though: https://www.profileracing.com/estore/product.php?productId=110 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en-US. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
