[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
I'd be happy to ride to a bus depot this weekend, if no rain or snow, and take some measurements at how much addition tray space there is left. Let me know. Jonathan D. midway in the current Lower Price Atlantis tread https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/ww2KxKe9KPE says he has a Joe A. and fits in the Portland, OR bus tray. You could ask him about his size bike. Roberta -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
I don't know exactly (and it may vary somewhat with different styles), but the bus racks in Seattle fit a current Atlantis, but not a 59 Clem. Rightly or wrongly they are designed for bikes with traditionally "normal" wheelbases, and by traditional standards, 47-48cm chainstays (which I like) are already on the long end of the spectrum. My raising the question is not a value judgement on super long stays, nor is it questioning their effect on handling. Eamon -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
A general question to be sure & likely different systems have variability, but does anyone have an idea what wheelbase range may be accommodated by bus racks? It would seem that the wide variety of bikes used by commuters would require a fairly generous range. I understand the hold down bar on the fender problem, but I'm thinking the wheel trays must be pretty long. Hanging on a train I can see the problem & have encountered it. Several years ago, on a light rail system, I struggled to hang my '03 58 cm Atlantis from the designated hook. I had 2 panniers,which I had to take off, and the front wheel stuck out into the doorway area. Seemed like the hook was in a bad spot but a regular train user told me it was a recent add on. Amtrak used to also have a hook system but they were high enough for the bike to hang straight. Of course, you still had to remove luggage & drag it upstairs. dougP On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:34:18 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > I was just thinking about how Rivendell is moving towards very long > chainstays, and how that might impact people wanting to put their bike on > the racks on city buses, or the hooks on light rail trains. I don't > personally use either very often, but do occasionally need to do both > options. I personally wouldn't consider a bike that was too long for the > bus or commuter train. I don't know how long the new Atlantis is, but in > the case of the Clem in my size, I'm pretty sure that they are too long for > the racks on Seattle city buses. I'm not sure on others, since the geometry > charts don't list wheelbase length. It probably impacts transporting your > bike with a car as well. > > I'm not arguing for or against the choice - it just got me thinking that > there is a potential downside that is unrelated to whether or not you like > the handling or looks. > > Eamon > Seattle > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
Thanks. If a 51 fits, but only just, I suspect a 58 might be iffy. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
51cm. On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 1:20:28 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > Roberta, out of curiosity, what size Joe Appaloosa do you have? > > Eamon > > On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 8:35:12 AM UTC-7, REC wrote: >> >> When I got my Joe Appaloosa, I rode it to a bus depot and tested it out >> on the bus front bike carrier and it fit OK. ALMOST too long, but it did >> fit. Afterwards, I got fenders on the bike and retested and it was fine (I >> think I'm recalling that correctly), just that I needed to place the hold >> down arm on the fender. If anyone needs to be sure, I'll be happy to go >> back to a bus depot and retest, take pictures, measure anything you'd >> like. Septa is my local mass transportation company and you can see the >> bike carrier (it might be the same as on your busses) on this short video: >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIDh7ZDFs >> >> I haven't loaded my Joe A. on a bus, but I have brought it on a Septa >> regional train. I was at a stop that didn't have a platform and carrying >> up the three huge steps into the car from the street level was tough. If I >> need to do that again, I'd ride to a stop with a platform and roll it on. >> >> Roberta >> >> On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:22:03 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: >> >>> I commute to work; some days I take the train, some days I ride the >>> whole way. I make sure not to ride the Clementine on train days. This ain't >>> the Bay area & people get annoyed enough by regular sized bikes, I KNOW I >>> would hear it if I took the Clementine on the train! :-O >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
I hate when Riv removes the down tube shifter braze-ons and replaces them with stops. Unlike the Joe the new Atlantis should be compatible with drop bars and whatever shifters you might want to use. (Downtube, bar-end, brifters, indexing or not). I think the only reason that Riv uses stops is to save a couple bucks for them or the customer (adjusting stops cost money). Just because Riv uses friction and upright bars doesn't mean all Riv owners do. If you really want simple, cheap and infrequent shifting then friction downtubers are the way to go! -Dave J On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 7:34:18 PM UTC-4, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > I was just thinking about how Rivendell is moving towards very long > chainstays, and how that might impact people wanting to put their bike on > the racks on city buses, or the hooks on light rail trains. I don't > personally use either very often, but do occasionally need to do both > options. I personally wouldn't consider a bike that was too long for the > bus or commuter train. I don't know how long the new Atlantis is, but in > the case of the Clem in my size, I'm pretty sure that they are too long for > the racks on Seattle city buses. I'm not sure on others, since the geometry > charts don't list wheelbase length. It probably impacts transporting your > bike with a car as well. > > I'm not arguing for or against the choice - it just got me thinking that > there is a potential downside that is unrelated to whether or not you like > the handling or looks. > > Eamon > Seattle > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
Roberta, out of curiosity, what size Joe Appaloosa do you have? Eamon On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 8:35:12 AM UTC-7, REC wrote: > > When I got my Joe Appaloosa, I rode it to a bus depot and tested it out on > the bus front bike carrier and it fit OK. ALMOST too long, but it did > fit. Afterwards, I got fenders on the bike and retested and it was fine (I > think I'm recalling that correctly), just that I needed to place the hold > down arm on the fender. If anyone needs to be sure, I'll be happy to go > back to a bus depot and retest, take pictures, measure anything you'd > like. Septa is my local mass transportation company and you can see the > bike carrier (it might be the same as on your busses) on this short video: > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIDh7ZDFs > > I haven't loaded my Joe A. on a bus, but I have brought it on a Septa > regional train. I was at a stop that didn't have a platform and carrying > up the three huge steps into the car from the street level was tough. If I > need to do that again, I'd ride to a stop with a platform and roll it on. > > Roberta > > On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:22:03 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: > >> I commute to work; some days I take the train, some days I ride the whole >> way. I make sure not to ride the Clementine on train days. This ain't the >> Bay area & people get annoyed enough by regular sized bikes, I KNOW I would >> hear it if I took the Clementine on the train! :-O >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
When I got my Joe Appaloosa, I rode it to a bus depot and tested it out on the bus front bike carrier and it fit OK. ALMOST too long, but it did fit. Afterwards, I got fenders on the bike and retested and it was fine (I think I'm recalling that correctly), just that I needed to place the hold down arm on the fender. If anyone needs to be sure, I'll be happy to go back to a bus depot and retest, take pictures, measure anything you'd like. Septa is my local mass transportation company and you can see the bike carrier (it might be the same as on your busses) on this short video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F2KIDh7ZDFs I haven't loaded my Joe A. on a bus, but I have brought it on a Septa regional train. I was at a stop that didn't have a platform and carrying up the three huge steps into the car from the street level was tough. If I need to do that again, I'd ride to a stop with a platform and roll it on. Roberta On Thursday, March 22, 2018 at 10:22:03 AM UTC-4, masmojo wrote: > I commute to work; some days I take the train, some days I ride the whole > way. I make sure not to ride the Clementine on train days. This ain't the > Bay area & people get annoyed enough by regular sized bikes, I KNOW I would > hear it if I took the Clementine on the train! :-O > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
The issue of transporting the bike on public transpo racks never occurred to me, but I'll say that the (overly, IMO) long chainstay definitely played-into my decision to sell the Appaloosa that I'd picked-up a little over a year ago. I liked many of the characteristics of the bike, but there was just something about the way the bike rode which did not suit me, and I attributed that to the chainstay length and/or wheelbase. I also found it to be rather annoying that I had to splice chains together in order to get a long enough span to cover a completely normal gear range. I know that I'm theoretically not supposed to notice the effect of the long wheelbase on bike "performance," but to me the bike did feel very different from what I'm used-to, and prefer. Maybe it was, also, the weight of the bike -- another thing I know I'm supposed to not care about, but do, a little. I've gotten myself a new Sam H., which is -- by my accounting -- just about the finest do-all bike I've ever owned or ridden (and I have owned and ridden quite a few). Anyway, I'm not tearing-down the Appaloosa by any means, here, nor the longer chainstay models from Riv. They're just not for everyone, and they definitely are a little outside the range of what's typically accommodated by various racks and other storage/transport means. But that's all changing, to some degree. Here in Portland, where all sorts of non-normal bikes -- such as cargo and child-carrying bikes -- are becoming more popular, you see solutions popping-up to accommodate them more. On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:34:18 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > I was just thinking about how Rivendell is moving towards very long > chainstays, and how that might impact people wanting to put their bike on > the racks on city buses, or the hooks on light rail trains. I don't > personally use either very often, but do occasionally need to do both > options. I personally wouldn't consider a bike that was too long for the > bus or commuter train. I don't know how long the new Atlantis is, but in > the case of the Clem in my size, I'm pretty sure that they are too long for > the racks on Seattle city buses. I'm not sure on others, since the geometry > charts don't list wheelbase length. It probably impacts transporting your > bike with a car as well. > > I'm not arguing for or against the choice - it just got me thinking that > there is a potential downside that is unrelated to whether or not you like > the handling or looks. > > Eamon > Seattle > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
My commute involves an Amtrak train with hanging bike hooks, which are barely high enough for large-sized "normal" bikes: when I hang my 64cm Long Haul Trucker by it's front wheel, it's rear wheel is just barely off the ground. When I've used my 59cm Clem for the commute, I've discovered the technique of hanging it by the rear wheel and turning the front wheel to one side to allow it to hang. A little annoying, but doable. I did also once put it on the front rack of a bus and don't remember any issues, but that's not something I do regularly. I am considering purchasing hitch-mount tray-style bike rack soon (similar to a bus rack) and definitely would like to find something that accommodates the Clem, since I regularly drive it up to the Sierra foothills to go mountain biking. On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 5:35:11 PM UTC-7, Birdman wrote: > > Part of my daily commute in Portland (OR) is on a light rail train. I > ride a 68cm Quickbeam and a 65cm Atlantis from 2017 that has the 48cm > chainstays. The Quickbeam fits on the bike hooks with maybe an inch to > spare, but the Atlantis is a no go. I definitely see it as a con of the > longer chainstays, but not enough to take away from the benefits. The > Atlantis handles unlike any bike I've ever ridden: smooth, steady, and sure > while remaining responsive. I suspect that some of it is due to what are, > compared to all other bikes I've owned, pretty darn long chainstays. I'd > love to try a Clem or an Appaloosa and see what the super long stays are > all about... > > Isaac > pdx > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
I sold my Clem because it didn't fit in my shed and it was not fun to lug around elevators or on a busy train. There are definite downsides to uber long wheelbase rides! On Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 4:34:18 PM UTC-7, Eamon Nordquist wrote: > > I was just thinking about how Rivendell is moving towards very long > chainstays, and how that might impact people wanting to put their bike on > the racks on city buses, or the hooks on light rail trains. I don't > personally use either very often, but do occasionally need to do both > options. I personally wouldn't consider a bike that was too long for the > bus or commuter train. I don't know how long the new Atlantis is, but in > the case of the Clem in my size, I'm pretty sure that they are too long for > the racks on Seattle city buses. I'm not sure on others, since the geometry > charts don't list wheelbase length. It probably impacts transporting your > bike with a car as well. > > I'm not arguing for or against the choice - it just got me thinking that > there is a potential downside that is unrelated to whether or not you like > the handling or looks. > > Eamon > Seattle > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Super long chainstays and putting your bike buses/trains
Part of my daily commute in Portland (OR) is on a light rail train. I ride a 68cm Quickbeam and a 65cm Atlantis from 2017 that has the 48cm chainstays. The Quickbeam fits on the bike hooks with maybe an inch to spare, but the Atlantis is a no go. I definitely see it as a con of the longer chainstays, but not enough to take away from the benefits. The Atlantis handles unlike any bike I've ever ridden: smooth, steady, and sure while remaining responsive. I suspect that some of it is due to what are, compared to all other bikes I've owned, pretty darn long chainstays. I'd love to try a Clem or an Appaloosa and see what the super long stays are all about... Isaac pdx -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
