Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread dweendaddy
If you do junk the (pricey) system and switch to BM, I have loved my Toplight 
line plus in the rear. Really the best I have seen. 
I am sure you can sell the E3 for not a huge loss. 
As for flashing vs steady, didn't we just have a super long thread on that??

Edwin livin' the dyno dream Williamson

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Way Rebb
You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a
bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered:  An old Vista
Light 5 LEd mounted to the rack, one on the fender and the Soma Bullet
light down where the rack attaches to the stay.  I also have one of
the reflective triangles Rivendell sells and the rack light makes a
nice glow through the mesh, especially in the fog.

Regards,
Ray

On Jan 22, 5:15 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Jim is correct, about one night group ride is all I've done.  Rarely
 out that late.  More 5:30 a.m. commutes that caused this to come up.

 Have I ever been hit on the Hillborne with the E3 light?  No.
 Numerous close calls.  Hard to say if it's more than with a Planet
 Bike Superflash or a Nite Rider flashing light.

 My greatest area of concern is lack of visibility with the light.
 Three LEDs just sitting there, no amplification.

 Of course the other option would be to chuck the entire Supernova
 system and just use a BM system.

 If nothing else, it's giving me something to think about changing over
 the winter.  So it might not just be bar tape that gets replaced in
 the next month or so.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

 On Jan 22, 11:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery







 thill@gmail.com wrote:
  I happen to know that EricP doesn't do many after-dark group rides, so 
  tailoring his lighting to other cyclists is probably not a priority. I rode 
  for awhile behind a guy who had one of those slow flash frequency DiNotte 
  taillights. I saw spots for days!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Mon, 2012-01-23 at 09:44 -0800, Way Rebb wrote:
 You can also add a few more lights in back. I ride in the dark quite a
 bit and I have three tail lights, all battery powered

A friend of mine has 5 or 6 on his brevet bike: a generator powered
steady light, a DiNotte, a blinking Planet Bike Superflash on each seat
stay, some kind of bright flasher and a tiny little red lantern hanging
off the seat bag.  

I can't ride behind him with all of that going.  It's absolutely
unbearable.



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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Liesl
Hi Eric,

I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I
come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as
a bicycle is pedal reflectors.  Their movement immediately says bike
and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen.  Certainly
further than bad lights.  On the flashing front, I do like the planet
bike blinky.  I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge
and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little
foggy that day.  Really impressive.  And ditto on the reflector vests
and triangles, etc.  I think the best approach is to do whatever you
can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors.

liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Or adding reflective tape to your cranks as I do when my pedals don't
accept reflectors. I agree that the bobbing up and down or flashing (if
the tape is installed at the bb axle junction) appearance signals bike.

Of course, you can always use ankle reflectors too.

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 Hi Eric,

 I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I
 come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as
 a bicycle is pedal reflectors.  Their movement immediately says bike
 and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen.  Certainly
 further than bad lights.  On the flashing front, I do like the planet
 bike blinky.  I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge
 and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little
 foggy that day.  Really impressive.  And ditto on the reflector vests
 and triangles, etc.  I think the best approach is to do whatever you
 can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors.

 liesl

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread EricP
Good comments patrick and Liesl.  Might cut some reflective tape for
the crankarms.  Already have MKS sneaker pedals with reflectors.  And
a foot or so silver reflective tape on the rear fender.  Should maybe
hunt down my reflective triangle and install it on the Country Bag.

Thanks for all the suggestions so far.  Looks like the ugly cable will
be sticking around.  Unless I redo it down below the bike.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 23, 1:26 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:
 Or adding reflective tape to your cranks as I do when my pedals don't
 accept reflectors. I agree that the bobbing up and down or flashing (if
 the tape is installed at the bb axle junction) appearance signals bike.

 Of course, you can always use ankle reflectors too.





 On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 12:22 PM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:
  Hi Eric,

  I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I
  come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as
  a bicycle is pedal reflectors.  Their movement immediately says bike
  and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen.  Certainly
  further than bad lights.  On the flashing front, I do like the planet
  bike blinky.  I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge
  and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little
  foggy that day.  Really impressive.  And ditto on the reflector vests
  and triangles, etc.  I think the best approach is to do whatever you
  can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors.

  liesl

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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Eric Norris
Lee Mitchell, a local bike person who has been driving sag support for 
literally hundreds of events here in NorCal, recommends reflective ankle bands 
as the most valuable piece of nighttime safety equipment. As Liesl notes, the 
movement instantly identifies you as a cyclist, and helps the motorist gauge 
speed and distance based on that knowledge.

--Eric N
Sent from my iPad2 

On Jan 23, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Liesl li...@smm.org wrote:

 Hi Eric,
 
 I commute on Summit Avenue on the way home, and I find that when I
 come up on other bikes, one of the great things that identifies it as
 a bicycle is pedal reflectors.  Their movement immediately says bike
 and I'm surprised how well/far away they can be seen.  Certainly
 further than bad lights.  On the flashing front, I do like the planet
 bike blinky.  I've seen one as I was crossing the Marshall Ave bridge
 and the bike was up the hill just about at Cretin and it was a little
 foggy that day.  Really impressive.  And ditto on the reflector vests
 and triangles, etc.  I think the best approach is to do whatever you
 can that identifies you as a bicycle; e.g. pedal reflectors.
 
 liesl
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
One more idea: a big reflective triangle attached to your bag, or a
reflective vest (personally dislike these -- too much of a hassle to get on
and off over all the other winter kit), Sam Browne or -- my favorite -- a
reflective triangle attached to a reflective belt.

One more idea yet: Lightman strobe when you want to attach a blinkie to a
bag that, unlike a frame or seatpost or rack mounting, does not hold the
light in one position. The strobe does not suffer from the off-axis decline
in visibility that LED blinkies seem to do. OTOH, the Lightman that I have
runs only 2 hours on 2 alkaline or NMH AAs.

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5663812088636007938

Don't try this with your two-wheeler:

https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/BIKESMISCELLANEA#5695750139888167026



On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:00 PM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:

 Good comments patrick and Liesl.  Might cut some reflective tape for
 the crankarms.  Already have MKS sneaker pedals with reflectors.  And
 a foot or so silver reflective tape on the rear fender.  Should maybe
 hunt down my reflective triangle and install it on the Country Bag.

 Thanks for all the suggestions so far.  Looks like the ugly cable will
 be sticking around.  Unless I redo it down below the bike.



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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Zack
I also have this taillight on my Sam.

I look at it as the baseline for the rest of my safety gear - no matter 
what, it's on the bike, i don't have to worry about the batteries wearing 
out, and i can't forget it.

I don't think that it is an awesome safety solution on it's own.

i add a planet bike blinky to the back of my saddlesack, wear ankle 
reflectors, have reflective stuff on my clothing, use a safety triangle, 
and have pedal reflectors at various different times depending on where I 
am going.

I always always use the triangle if I am going to be riding somewhere new 
that I don't know well, as I don't want to get caught out in bad traffic on 
a rough stretch of road without that added protection.  

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Ryan Ray
This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely 
unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and 
not blinking.

- Ryan




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RE: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Allingham II, Thomas J
Yup.  Comforting that there's obviously no wrong answer.


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This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely unprepared 
for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and not blinking.

- Ryan





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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber
blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped flaming
flares used until the '60s or so). Of course, the fact that guvmint uses it
is no proof of its reasonableness.

Me, I use: one blinkie; one steady; and reflectors on person (Sam Browne or
waist triangle, ankle reflectors) and bike (cranks; fender; sometimes rim,
triangle if not on person).

I think it's foolish to sweat this question too much -- as they say, it's
not rocket science. Have a good headlight with backup; have a good blinkie
with backup; have reflective gear on you and your bike; and ride with
reasonable caution.

This blog post is wordy and somewhat confused, but the essential message --
don't ride stupidly and cycling is not that dangerous -- is worth
reconsidering.

I personally discount the moth effect warnings and the annoying to
motorists warnings; I want motorists to be alarmed if that's what it takes
to be visible -- let them scrape the left curb in their panic if that means
they see me (I refer to the idiots who feel they must give a cyclist 25
feet of clearance by passing entirely in the oncoming lane; tho' these are
better than the brain-dead type who drive with right wheels 2' across the
bike lane line). Of course, courtesy would dictate care in selecting your
rear lights when riding with other cyclists.

Patrick cut my cycling teeth in New Delhi urban traffic and survived six
years of *extremely* stupid adolescent ego-motivated cycling on the deadly
streets of greater Nairobi, Kenya Moore

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 This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely
 unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and
 not blinking.

 - Ryan




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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Dmit: forgot the URL:
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/

On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 1:57 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ryan: note that the standard roadwork barrier warning light is an amber
 blinkie (tho' I am old enough to remember the hand-bomb-shaped flaming
 flares used until the '60s or so). Of course, the fact that guvmint uses it
 is no proof of its reasonableness.

 Me, I use: one blinkie; one steady; and reflectors on person (Sam Browne
 or waist triangle, ankle reflectors) and bike (cranks; fender; sometimes
 rim, triangle if not on person).

 I think it's foolish to sweat this question too much -- as they say, it's
 not rocket science. Have a good headlight with backup; have a good blinkie
 with backup; have reflective gear on you and your bike; and ride with
 reasonable caution.

 This blog post is wordy and somewhat confused, but the essential message
 -- don't ride stupidly and cycling is not that dangerous -- is worth
 reconsidering.

 I personally discount the moth effect warnings and the annoying to
 motorists warnings; I want motorists to be alarmed if that's what it takes
 to be visible -- let them scrape the left curb in their panic if that means
 they see me (I refer to the idiots who feel they must give a cyclist 25
 feet of clearance by passing entirely in the oncoming lane; tho' these are
 better than the brain-dead type who drive with right wheels 2' across the
 bike lane line). Of course, courtesy would dictate care in selecting your
 rear lights when riding with other cyclists.

 Patrick cut my cycling teeth in New Delhi urban traffic and survived six
 years of *extremely* stupid adolescent ego-motivated cycling on the deadly
 streets of greater Nairobi, Kenya Moore

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 This has been an extremely informative thread. I now feel completely
 unprepared for night riding and I'm completely torn between blinking and
 not blinking.

 - Ryan




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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread Ryan Ray
http://thelazyrando.wordpress.com/2011/03/24/the-safety-myth/

This ^

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-23 Thread charlie
I use the new Toplight line steady tail light. The horizontal bar
helps drivers judge distance and it is as bright as any auto tail
light. I also use a Princeton Tec Swerve on my helmet ( the switch is
easy to manipulate when riding with winter gloves) that I turn on
when I suspect a driver is not aware. This high helmet mounted tail
light is good in hilly areas and when riding in traffic. I also have a
backup Planet bike tail light on my Carradice bag should the others
fail. My tires have reflective sidewalls and my Showers Pass jacket
has reflective areas on it. I also use a ankle reflector. On the front
is my new IQ Fly 24 and my helmet has the Serfas 150 lumen battery
light that I use on low (50 lumens and still bright) for seeing around
corners before turning or to blast drivers who high beam me. I also
have red reflector tape on my fenders and white reflector tape on the
head tube. I figure if I can't be seen at night with this set up the
driver is drunk, high or blind.

On Jan 22, 5:29 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote:
 Have had this tail light on my Sam Hillborne for the past year or so.
 It's the only light that works with the E3 headlight without blowing
 both up to smithereens.  However, no matter how much I want to like
 the light, am just not sure it is enough. Only three dots and no
 reflector to amplify the light  Am tempted to just pull it off, clip
 the wiring and go with a regular battery flashing to be a pain in the
 ol' patootie light.

 Any opinions here?  Also need to admit not a fan of the extra wiring
 running along the top tube of the SH.  Just clashes too much.  Which
 is funny as it works just fine on both my Surly bikes.

 Eric Platt
 St. Paul, MN

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-22 Thread David T.

Flashing lights: Getting the attention of drivers is important. But if
your lights and reflectors provide enough visibility to motorists, I
think it can detract from safety to have the rear or front lights
flashing. I know that when I am on my bike, or driving, I have a
harder time clearly seeing other bikes who have flashing lights. I
can’t tell how far away they are. In some cases I can’t tell exactly
what they are for a split second.  So I just have two steady rear
lights and two steady headlights, and extensive reflectors, and I wear
a reflective vest. I think I am actually more visible at night than in
the day, at least from the way that vehicles respond when they see me.
I could be wrong about this, but that is my feeling.

I want to be seen, but I don’t want to alarm motorists. I want to be
seen as a slow moving vehicle, part of the normal traffic, not
something that provokes alarm. So immediately the motorist knows he is
dealing with a bicycle, and all he needs to do is pass when it is safe
to do so. It is easy to pass a bicycle, and it doesn’t slow down the
overall progress of cars, because they can quickly make up the time. A
bicycle causes much less disruption to traffic than a large slow
moving vehicle, and I think most motorists gradually learn that. For
the same reason, it helps to take the same route when you are
commuting, because you will encounter the same group of drivers to a
large extent, and they will get used to your presence.  The last thing
I want is for the driver to be alarmed, for example if he slams on the
brakes or is taken out of his comfort zone and reacts. I definitely
don’t want them to be  “blinded” or disoriented by flashing lights.
That would put me in danger.

Flashing lights are associated with emergency vehicles, pulling over,
stopping, danger. I don’t want those associations suddenly hitting the
semi-consciousness of drivers pulling up behind me. Most of them can
handle it, but there are enough poor drivers that the odd one will do
something stupid. I try to make life easier for the cars, only because
that makes my life easier. Just my two cents on flashing lights. ( or
about a quarter with inflation )




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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-22 Thread Andrew
I've been thinking about lights, and I bet a fairly simple switch
(lightweight examples found on motorcycle switchgear) could be affixed to
the rear cable housing stop that would activate when the brake is applied,
and then power a bright red LED. It could work in conjunction with a
steady-on or blinky light, but it would give me a greater degree of control
in my communications with too-close cagers who might be crowding me.

- Andrew, Berkeley

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-22 Thread EricP
Jim is correct, about one night group ride is all I've done.  Rarely
out that late.  More 5:30 a.m. commutes that caused this to come up.

Have I ever been hit on the Hillborne with the E3 light?  No.
Numerous close calls.  Hard to say if it's more than with a Planet
Bike Superflash or a Nite Rider flashing light.

My greatest area of concern is lack of visibility with the light.
Three LEDs just sitting there, no amplification.

Of course the other option would be to chuck the entire Supernova
system and just use a BM system.

If nothing else, it's giving me something to think about changing over
the winter.  So it might not just be bar tape that gets replaced in
the next month or so.

Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN

On Jan 22, 11:12 am, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
thill@gmail.com wrote:
 I happen to know that EricP doesn't do many after-dark group rides, so 
 tailoring his lighting to other cyclists is probably not a priority. I rode 
 for awhile behind a guy who had one of those slow flash frequency DiNotte 
 taillights. I saw spots for days!

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[RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-22 Thread Ginz
I don't rely on my Supernova tailight alone but since I am already
pushing the Dyno hub I like to take advantage of the battery-free
taillight.

I always carry an extra battery-powered blinkie.  The trouble is that
I don't have a place to put it.  The fender-mounted Spinnegas don't
flash.  My chainstays are blocked by the rack and fender so my
Princeton Tec Swerve is a no-go.  Normally I clip a traditional square
light to the back of my pants or belt and put it on flash mode.

I must figure out another place to mount a light.

Ginz

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Re: [RBW] Re: Supernova E3 tail light opinions

2012-01-22 Thread Tim McNamara

On Jan 22, 2012, at 7:28 PM, Ginz wrote:

 I don't rely on my Supernova tailight alone but since I am already
 pushing the Dyno hub I like to take advantage of the battery-free
 taillight.
 
 I always carry an extra battery-powered blinkie.  The trouble is that
 I don't have a place to put it.  The fender-mounted Spinnegas don't
 flash.  My chainstays are blocked by the rack and fender so my
 Princeton Tec Swerve is a no-go.  Normally I clip a traditional square
 light to the back of my pants or belt and put it on flash mode.
 
 I must figure out another place to mount a light.

This is a matter of some debate in some quarters, but I never use a light in 
flashing mode.  In some places, for one thing, it is actually illegal as 
flashing lights are reserved for emergency vehicles and the like, except for 
turn signals.  Another issue is that flashing lights just annoy me.  A third is 
that if a flashing light is all that another road users has to go on in order 
to visually locate you and to estimate your direction and speed, a flashing 
light is harder for them to track.  I set all my lights in non-flashing mode 
and this has always worked well.  I have never been run into at night because 
of it.  IMHO we are often harder to see in broad daylight than at night.

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