[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Everyone, Thanks for the discussion. This has been incredibly helpful to me. I've never owned a bike with center-pull brakes of any type, so this is my first time working with them. I will say that as a newbie (but a quick-learning one) - my Paul Racer brakes have given me a lot of headaches. I don't like the modulation of the brakes - I assume that I will become used to it at some point, but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. Likewise, there are so many variables to get right. I've spent no less than 10 hours setting up these brakes (!) and right now I'm still pretty unhappy. Guess I need to get to work on them again. They've got to do a better job stopping me than they are doing now.. I just need to figure it out. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? This is one area where I have not experimented very much and I'm hopeful that I can squeeze some more performance out of the brakes (and no, the pun was not intentional ;) -Adam On Sep 28, 7:03 am, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Joel, As I wrote it was my experience, yours may be different. Cheers! On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:39 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I would be curious to see how you had the Pauls set up. With the spring adjustment properly set and the pads toed in at the optimal angle Pauls stopping power is often superior to the bike's ability to tolerate. If you experienced squealing it suggests your set up is not correct. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. The caliper itself is only part of the brake. The spring is the critical component. I am no engineer, but the Paul Racer spring placement is very good and in my opinion will stop better than dual pivot. On Sep 27, 10:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
On Sep 29, 1:22 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: [snip]but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. The Pauls do not feel like dual pivots, they are squishy. When I switch back to dual pivot braked bike the brakes feel too abrupt, I have to remember to use a lighter touch. The straddle wire that came with the brakes was to stiff and the straddle carrier was cheesy. I use a Mafac straddle carrier and more flexible straddle carrier without the lozenge shaped bit. You want to minimize the brake take up. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? You need enough spring tension so the brakes retract completely from the rims, the springs are also used to center the brakes. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I don't like the modulation of the brakes - I assume that I will become used to it at some point, but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. I have two bikes with Pauls. Modulation is similar to dual pivot. Your description is subjective but sound like an installation issue. Among other things you need to verify you have the correct levers for centerpulls. Likewise, there are so many variables to get right. I've spent no less than 10 hours setting up these brakes (!) and right now I'm still pretty unhappy. Guess I need to get to work on them again. They've got to do a better job stopping me than they are doing now.. I just need to figure it out. Paul's instructions do recommend you have the installation done by an experienced mechanic. The beauty of the Paul variability is it allows as many different configurations as there are sizes of bikes. My first bike with Paul I had no idea what I was doing. They did not work right. My LBS was able to get them in order right away. Some pictures I had fortuitously taken pictures before hand allowed me to compare my set up with the LBS set up. That combined with some trial and error, I can now set them up right the first time. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? This is one area where I have not experimented very much and I'm hopeful that I can squeeze some more performance out of the brakes Combined with the other adjustments proper spring tensioning is what makes the brakes so powerful. On Sep 29, 12:22 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Everyone, Thanks for the discussion. This has been incredibly helpful to me. I've never owned a bike with center-pull brakes of any type, so this is my first time working with them. I will say that as a newbie (but a quick-learning one) - my Paul Racer brakes have given me a lot of headaches. I don't like the modulation of the brakes - I assume that I will become used to it at some point, but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. Likewise, there are so many variables to get right. I've spent no less than 10 hours setting up these brakes (!) and right now I'm still pretty unhappy. Guess I need to get to work on them again. They've got to do a better job stopping me than they are doing now.. I just need to figure it out. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? This is one area where I have not experimented very much and I'm hopeful that I can squeeze some more performance out of the brakes (and no, the pun was not intentional ;) -Adam On Sep 28, 7:03 am, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Joel, As I wrote it was my experience, yours may be different. Cheers! On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:39 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I would be curious to see how you had the Pauls set up. With the spring adjustment properly set and the pads toed in at the optimal angle Pauls stopping power is often superior to the bike's ability to tolerate. If you experienced squealing it suggests your set up is not correct. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. The caliper itself is only part of the brake. The spring is the critical component. I am no engineer, but the Paul Racer spring placement is very good and in my opinion will stop better than dual pivot. On Sep 27, 10:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:22 -0700, Adam Kimball wrote: Everyone, Thanks for the discussion. This has been incredibly helpful to me. I've never owned a bike with center-pull brakes of any type, so this is my first time working with them. I will say that as a newbie (but a quick-learning one) - my Paul Racer brakes have given me a lot of headaches. I don't like the modulation of the brakes - I assume that I will become used to it at some point, but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. Likewise, there are so many variables to get right. I've spent no less than 10 hours setting up these brakes (!) and right now I'm still pretty unhappy. Guess I need to get to work on them again. They've got to do a better job stopping me than they are doing now.. I just need to figure it out. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? This is one area where I have not experimented very much and I'm hopeful that I can squeeze some more performance out of the brakes (and no, the pun was not intentional ;) I think you should just bring the bike to a bike shop and have them do it. You've obviously got it set up all wrong, as modulation is what the Paul Racer does better than any other brake in the world. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I think you should just bring the bike to a bike shop and have them do it. You've obviously got it set up all wrong, as modulation is what the Paul Racer does better than any other brake in the world.- Exactly. And as I say above, unless the LBS allows you to watch them adjust, take pictures of your set up to compare with the proper set up. Pauls are deceptively simple. It is amazing the difference one washer in another place or an mm up or down stradle height make. On Sep 29, 1:08 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 10:22 -0700, Adam Kimball wrote: Everyone, Thanks for the discussion. This has been incredibly helpful to me. I've never owned a bike with center-pull brakes of any type, so this is my first time working with them. I will say that as a newbie (but a quick-learning one) - my Paul Racer brakes have given me a lot of headaches. I don't like the modulation of the brakes - I assume that I will become used to it at some point, but right now they feel incredibly squishy to my hands. Likewise, there are so many variables to get right. I've spent no less than 10 hours setting up these brakes (!) and right now I'm still pretty unhappy. Guess I need to get to work on them again. They've got to do a better job stopping me than they are doing now.. I just need to figure it out. One thing I really don't understand is that variables the spring tension effects? This is one area where I have not experimented very much and I'm hopeful that I can squeeze some more performance out of the brakes (and no, the pun was not intentional ;) I think you should just bring the bike to a bike shop and have them do it. You've obviously got it set up all wrong, as modulation is what the Paul Racer does better than any other brake in the world.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
The VO's are my favorite. I've used the 57mm brakes from Tektro, Shimano and Paul Racer M's too (on my Rambouillet). The VO's are stiffer, more powerful and more nicely constructed than the Tektro's and Shimano's - no contest. Tire/fender clearance on the VO's is comparable with other good 57mm reach brakes. The VO's perform as nicely as the Paul's, IMO. I prefer sidepull brakes over centerpull brakes, so the VO's are the clear choice for me. Michael_S is right about the opening width. The VO's open wide enough for a true 30mm tire, depending on how tightly you set the cable. On Sep 27, 11:54 pm, Michael_S mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I've gotten feedback from a few who've used them. Both said they were far better in stiffness and modulation than either the ShimaNo or the Tektros. I'm about ready to buy a pair for my new-to-me Ram. The only down side I've heard is that the Tektro's open wider. With a Tektro lever with the QR button they will barely clear a Jack Brown was what I heard. M Racers open wider. The Pauls look incredible but I wanted to stay with sidepulls on this bike ( got Paul braze-on's on the Randonneuse) ~Mike~ On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or castTime will tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I would be curious to see how you had the Pauls set up. With the spring adjustment properly set and the pads toed in at the optimal angle Pauls stopping power is often superior to the bike's ability to tolerate. If you experienced squealing it suggests your set up is not correct. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. The caliper itself is only part of the brake. The spring is the critical component. I am no engineer, but the Paul Racer spring placement is very good and in my opinion will stop better than dual pivot. On Sep 27, 10:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Joel, As I wrote it was my experience, yours may be different. Cheers! On Sep 28, 2010, at 5:39 AM, JoelMatthews wrote: The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I would be curious to see how you had the Pauls set up. With the spring adjustment properly set and the pads toed in at the optimal angle Pauls stopping power is often superior to the bike's ability to tolerate. If you experienced squealing it suggests your set up is not correct. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. The caliper itself is only part of the brake. The spring is the critical component. I am no engineer, but the Paul Racer spring placement is very good and in my opinion will stop better than dual pivot. On Sep 27, 10:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I am Grand Crurious myself...but I don't think they would work on the Bleriot - and they don't open very wide, comparatively. On Sep 27, 6:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Haven't used them on a bike, but FWIW, I've fondled them in the VO showroom and was fairly impressed with the quality and value. I already rub Paul's on my AHH, and think they're great. Alex Moll Marysville, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I was writing back and forth with someone who has them, replacing the Tektro/Silver (556???) long reach models. They said the stopping power was great, no mushiness at all, but that you had to deflate wide tires to get them in. For them, that was worth it. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 6:20 PM, amoll68 amol...@comcast.net wrote: Haven't used them on a bike, but FWIW, I've fondled them in the VO showroom and was fairly impressed with the quality and value. I already rub Paul's on my AHH, and think they're great. Alex Moll Marysville, WA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.comrbw-owners-bunch%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- Cheers, David Redlands, CA *...in terms of recreational cycling there are many riders who would probably benefit more from improving their taste than from improving their performance.* - RTMS -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or cast. Time will tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I've gotten feedback from a few who've used them. Both said they were far better in stiffness and modulation than either the ShimaNo or the Tektros. I'm about ready to buy a pair for my new-to-me Ram. The only down side I've heard is that the Tektro's open wider. With a Tektro lever with the QR button they will barely clear a Jack Brown was what I heard. M Racers open wider. The Pauls look incredible but I wanted to stay with sidepulls on this bike ( got Paul braze-on's on the Randonneuse) ~Mike~ On Sep 27, 8:24 pm, James Valiensi valie...@mac.com wrote: Hi, I've had the Paul's Racers and now the Crus. The Crus stop better and don't squeal, at least that has been my experience. I don't see why the Crus would not be as durable as the Paul's. Both brakes are CNC machined from aluminum plate. They are not forged or castTime will tell though, but the Crus are much cheaper. Cheers! On Sep 27, 2010, at 6:15 PM, JoelMatthews wrote: I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Paul Racers have been around for years, have a very loyal following, and stop bikes as well as any rim brake made. The Crus are brand new to the market, dual pivot not center pull, not as robust as the Pauls, and in my opinion anyway (and having only seen the Crus on line), nowhere near as good looking. Under the circumstances I have not a clue how anyone can confirm VO's puffery. Certainly it is impossible to say the Crus will be as durable as the Pauls. The best one can say is that it would be an amazing feat, indeed, if the Crus are better than Paul. To put things in perspective, when VO was selling custom made Randonnuers instead of the stock frames (which it is dropping in any event) it offered Paul's at a discount with the frame purchase. I seem to recall the VO text saying Paul's were the best brakes out there. On Sep 27, 5:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. James Valiensi, PE Northridge, CA H818.775.1847 M.818.585.1796- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
IMHO its all about the pads which are easily changed. Really now. its a mechanical clamp squeezing two rubber pads onto an aluminum rim. The only thing that might affect stopping power is the riders hand strength. The amount of flex increases with the length of the arm if its not made thicker or if the shape is not modified but I don't see how that can affect stopping power, feel maybe but not sheer stopping power. Looks and precision construction are another matter. I can't see how any imported brake would match the Paul brakes in that department unless they set out to make a more expensive brake that would directly compete in the first place. I'm not even sure how anyone could test a brake for its stopping power while riding it without inflicting some hand operated bias. If a machine were made that spun a 300 pound wheel at 25 mph and mechanically squeezed a particular brand of brake/pad you could then measure the stopping power accurately enough. Otherwise the better brake idea is kind of a subjective one. I say buy what you like they are just brakes. On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
Brake calipers are more sophisticated than you think. And the place of origin has nothing to do with how well they work. Pauls are well designed and made, and considerably more expensive. The design or the caliper and the cross sectional area of the arm can certainly make a difference in mechanical advantage. ~Mike~ On Sep 27, 10:06 pm, charlie charles_v...@hotmail.com wrote: IMHO its all about the pads which are easily changed. Really now. its a mechanical clamp squeezing two rubber pads onto an aluminum rim. The only thing that might affect stopping power is the riders hand strength. The amount of flex increases with the length of the arm if its not made thicker or if the shape is not modified but I don't see how that can affect stopping power, feel maybe but not sheer stopping power. Looks and precision construction are another matter. I can't see how any imported brake would match the Paul brakes in that department unless they set out to make a more expensive brake that would directly compete in the first place. I'm not even sure how anyone could test a brake for its stopping power while riding it without inflicting some hand operated bias. If a machine were made that spun a 300 pound wheel at 25 mph and mechanically squeezed a particular brand of brake/pad you could then measure the stopping power accurately enough. Otherwise the better brake idea is kind of a subjective one. I say buy what you like they are just brakes. On Sep 27, 3:35 pm, Adam Kimball adamfkimb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, In my search for the best brakes, I've been thinking about trying the Velo Orange Grand Cru brakes. In their marketing copy they mention that the brakes are the best of every other long-reach brake caliper they have tried. I'd take that to mean VO believes them to be better than Silvers and Paul's. Can anyone confirm or deny this claim? Certainly nice looking brakes.. -Adam- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
[RBW] Re: VO Grand Cru long reach brakes?
I have them and like them a great deal. To be fair to VO's marketing copy, best of their kind may mean standard reach dual calipers so they may not be comparing themselves to centerpulls. Even ignoring that, at the time VO released their Grand Crus the Paul Racer M's weren't available, only the original long-reach variety. That said, if I were picking parts now, I'd probably spend the extra cash for the Paul Racer M's because I do think they're prettier, like centerpulls, and enjoy spoiling my Rambouillet. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
