Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Robert Tilley]

  For me their weirdest idea is the double top tube added to normal sized frames. I can see it being needed on very large frames but on the frames they put them on they just seem useless. Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: jeremy.t...@gmail.comSent: October 19, 2020 11:13 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?  My two nominations would be: 1. For a while they were selling a wind "shield" that was essentially a vest without any back, just weights (IIRC) that hung over the top of your shoulders. The idea was that the wind would do most of the work holding it in place. Seems like it was designed around a fairly narrow use case, that being descending Mt. Diablo on a chilly morning after a S240. One step above stuffing newspaper down your jersey.2. Wood grips, which I think they sold around 2007 or so. Not cork, not faux wood, just plain carved hardwood, no shock absorption to speak of. I think they had a vaguely ergonomic shape.  I'm not saying either of these was a bad idea per se, just the kind of out-of-left field stuff for which Rivendell is known. -Jeremy TillSacramento, CAOn Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 4:59:41 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:Half Mitts may be weird but they really work.  I bought a pair of Half mitts (with thumb) from a list member.  Use then in cooler weather and winter, and they work GREAT.  Hands stay nice and warm and are easier than regular gloves to take off..  I think the wind blocking goes a long way to helping hands stay warm and the inside fur is a nice touch, not technical like most riding gloves have.If anyone has another pair (weird or not) and not using, I'm an interested buyer.John hawrylakWoodstown NJOn Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!EdwinOn Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the box. Stick shifting?

What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.

This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.

Cheers
Jason



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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Luke]

Not a Riv Product but a Riv Reader recommendation: Vitruvian Running Shoes

I bought these shoes for a number of years based on Grant's recommendation. 
Giant cushioned wedges of running shoes that got questions wherever I went 
- sadly discontinued in 2010 due to poor sales.

 Luke Vermeulen
Ypsilanti, MI
On Monday, October 19, 2020 at 2:13:07 PM UTC-4 Jeremy Till wrote:

> My two nominations would be: 
>
> 1. For a while they were selling a wind "shield" that was essentially a 
> vest without any back, just weights (IIRC) that hung over the top of your 
> shoulders. The idea was that the wind would do most of the work holding it 
> in place. Seems like it was designed around a fairly narrow use case, that 
> being descending Mt. Diablo on a chilly morning after a S240. One step 
> above stuffing newspaper down your jersey.
> 2. Wood grips, which I think they sold around 2007 or so. Not cork, not 
> faux wood, just plain carved hardwood, no shock absorption to speak of. I 
> think they had a vaguely ergonomic shape.  
>
> I'm not saying either of these was a bad idea per se, just the kind of 
> out-of-left field stuff for which Rivendell is known. 
>
> -Jeremy Till
> Sacramento, CA
>
> On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 4:59:41 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:
>
>> Half Mitts may be weird but they really work.  I bought a pair of Half 
>> mitts (with thumb) from a list member.  Use then in cooler weather and 
>> winter, and they work GREAT.  Hands stay nice and warm and are easier than 
>> regular gloves to take off..  I think the wind blocking goes a long way to 
>> helping hands stay warm and the inside fur is a nice touch, not technical 
>> like most riding gloves have.
>>
>> If anyone has another pair (weird or not) and not using, I'm an 
>> interested buyer.
>>
>> John hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>>>
>>> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
>>> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to 
>>> have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the 
>>> splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>>>
>>>
>>> Edwin
>>>
>>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>>
 Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
 box. Stick shifting? 

 What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
 yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 

 This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 

 Cheers 
 Jason
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Jeremy Till]

My two nominations would be: 

1. For a while they were selling a wind "shield" that was essentially a 
vest without any back, just weights (IIRC) that hung over the top of your 
shoulders. The idea was that the wind would do most of the work holding it 
in place. Seems like it was designed around a fairly narrow use case, that 
being descending Mt. Diablo on a chilly morning after a S240. One step 
above stuffing newspaper down your jersey.
2. Wood grips, which I think they sold around 2007 or so. Not cork, not 
faux wood, just plain carved hardwood, no shock absorption to speak of. I 
think they had a vaguely ergonomic shape.  

I'm not saying either of these was a bad idea per se, just the kind of 
out-of-left field stuff for which Rivendell is known. 

-Jeremy Till
Sacramento, CA

On Sunday, October 18, 2020 at 4:59:41 AM UTC-7 John Hawrylak wrote:

> Half Mitts may be weird but they really work.  I bought a pair of Half 
> mitts (with thumb) from a list member.  Use then in cooler weather and 
> winter, and they work GREAT.  Hands stay nice and warm and are easier than 
> regular gloves to take off..  I think the wind blocking goes a long way to 
> helping hands stay warm and the inside fur is a nice touch, not technical 
> like most riding gloves have.
>
> If anyone has another pair (weird or not) and not using, I'm an interested 
> buyer.
>
> John hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>>
>> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
>> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to 
>> have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the 
>> splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>
>>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>>
>>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>>
>>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>>
>>> Cheers 
>>> Jason
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

['John Hawrylak' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Half Mitts may be weird but they really work.  I bought a pair of Half 
mitts (with thumb) from a list member.  Use then in cooler weather and 
winter, and they work GREAT.  Hands stay nice and warm and are easier than 
regular gloves to take off..  I think the wind blocking goes a long way to 
helping hands stay warm and the inside fur is a nice touch, not technical 
like most riding gloves have.

If anyone has another pair (weird or not) and not using, I'm an interested 
buyer.

John hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4, Edwin W wrote:
>
> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
> around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
> but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Jason
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[John A. Bennett]

*Saluki: 2005.* Mark built mine first to work out the assembly details. 
It was the largest size we made (62cm). Still ride it daily. 

When it became apparent that the design would work for larger frames, the 
A. Homer Hilsen 
came along in sizes larger than 62cm with 700c wheels. 

It didn't take long for us to realize that having the same bike with 
different names was
confusing (we had already done that with the Romulus & Redwood) so "Saluki" 
was dropped, 
and they all became Hilsens. 

The Saluki decals and head badge were designed by Jon Grant in Austin, 
Texas.
Later on, he created the Bleriot artamong other things. 

John
Then of Walnut Creek, Calif.; Now of Portland, Ore.
On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 3:48:17 PM UTC-7 Joel S wrote:

> Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that 
> details 650b bikes here...  
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Matthew Cook  wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at 
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or 
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well. 
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed 
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.  
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were 
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel Stern]

Sorry, I meant Matt.  Where in CT are you?  I am in western MA.
On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 6:48 PM Joel Stern  wrote:

> Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
> details 650b bikes here...
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Matthew Cook 
> wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel Stern]

Mike, I think the Saluki was 2003.  There is an article posted above that
details 650b bikes here...

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 5:28 PM Matthew Cook 
wrote:

> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>
> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
> back then?
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>
>>> Matt Cook in CT
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

Great article, thanks Benjamin. 

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 5:49:11 PM UTC-4 Benjamin Kelley wrote:

> Interesting article about the history of 650b.   
> https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
> Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004. 
> About 1/2 way through the article.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook  wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at 
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or 
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well. 
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed 
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.  
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were 
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

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Misuboshi and Michelin World Tour tires I feel pre-date the recent 650b craze. 
i wonder who made the tires for the Raleigh Passage in the 80's mike 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for posting that; I didn't know that Ritchy had tried 650B so long
ago.

Cleland are wild; like nothing else on earth -- a wholly separate
evolutionary thread, like Australian marsupials.

Patrick Moore, who *likes* the way little, short 26" wheels with skinny
tires handle (24.75" with 27-28-29 mm Elk Passes) and prefers 29ers (29.6"
tall) for the local sand, in ABQ, NM.

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 3:49 PM Benjamin L. Kelley <
benjamin.kel...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Interesting article about the history of 650b.
> https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
> Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004.
> About 1/2 way through the article.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook 
> wrote:
>
>> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
>> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
>> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>>
>> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
>> back then?
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>>
>>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>>
 I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
 adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
 existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
 dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

 Matt Cook in CT

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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Benjamin L. Kelley]

Interesting article about the history of 650b.
https://www.handbuiltbicyclenews.com/c36-bicycle-wheels/196-the-renaissance-of-the-650b-wheel-0
Has info from Grant about tires, and a picture from RR 33 in Fall 2004.
About 1/2 way through the article.




On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 4:28 PM Matthew Cook 
wrote:

> So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
> least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
> 2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.
>
> I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
> back then?
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:
>
>> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
>> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
>> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>>
>> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>>
>>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>>
>>> Matt Cook in CT
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Moore]

I recall reading a book perhaps 25 years ago about a couple of British
brothers who, some 35-40 years ago, bought a couple of custom steel touring
bikes to take on a huge, lengthy tour of Asia; at least the subcontinent,
and Afghanistan too, I think.

Anyway, their bikes were built by a well-known name whom I forget, and they
chose double cranksets with no front derailleurs for the sake of
"simplicity," choosing instead to carry little wire hooks to grab and move
the chain from small to big ring after they'd kicked it with heel from big
to small ring. This was described at some length in the book.

Aside, but during the 2 years or so I owned my Ken Rogers British racing
tricycle, I rode it as a 1X with granny without front derailleur; the
granny used only occasionally. But the trike was different, since besides
kicking the chain to the small ring with your heel, as you can do with any
2-wheeler, the 3 wheels give you the stability to reach down at very low
speeds and delicately pick up the chain with your thumb and index finger to
place it on the big ring, without fear of veering or falling over. In fact,
I recall once stopping dead on a hill, and reaching way down to guide the
*bottom* run of the chain onto the big ring while I backpedaled; can't do
*that* with 2 wheels!

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 11:00 AM Paul M  wrote:

> . Stick shifting is the only way to go if your frame doesn't have a
> left side cable stop and your running a double crankset. Whatever gets you
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Matthew Cook]

So if it was released in 2006, then it must have been conceptualized at
least one or two years prior. So wacky 650b idea evolved around 2004 or
2005? It makes sense they had to also release some tires as well.

I didn't ride a bike as an adult until 2009, so what 650b tires existed
back then?

On Fri, Oct 16, 2020, 4:53 PM Joel S  wrote:

> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.
> The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were
> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>
>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.
>>
>> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

650b Saluki, sorry for the typo,  

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 4:53:50 PM UTC-4 Joel S wrote:

> Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki. 
>  The only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were 
> doing concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:
>
>> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
>> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
>> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
>> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>>
>> Matt Cook in CT
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joel S]

Matt, I believe they were released in 2006 just after the 659b Saluki.  The 
only tire size I ride now.  I remember when iBob list members were doing 
concessions.  I bought a Saluki and Bleriot, still have the Bleriot.  

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 2:50:35 PM UTC-4 Matt C. wrote:

> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>
> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joe Bernard]

Nope, there were very few 650b tires and Grant looked bonkers to even being 
trying this. Boy did THAT one work out! 

Another amusing Riv thing from the clothing side, suspenders! I still have 
a pair 

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 11:50:35 AM UTC-7 Matt C. wrote:

> I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty 
> adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it 
> existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I 
> dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then. 
>
> Matt Cook in CT
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Re: [RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Matthew Cook]

I would say releasing a production 650b bike 11 years ago was pretty
adventurous. I have a 2009 Bleriot and as I think about it, If I knew it
existed, I would have been less likely to buy it when it was being sold. I
dont think there were even too many 650b tires available then.

Matt Cook in CT

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Patrick Cronin]

Custom design and fabrication of a friction shifter in 2020.
Custom design and fabrication of cantilever brakes in 2020.

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 7:43:36 PM UTC-4 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Paul M]

The model name "Hunqapillar" that was inspired from a very large mailbox 
some place in the mid-west on Grant's ride across the country. But turns 
out to be my favorite name and Rivendell model. Stick shifting is the only 
way to go if your frame doesn't have a left side cable stop and your 
running a double crankset. Whatever gets you down the road

On Friday, 16 October 2020 08:42:38 UTC-7, RichS wrote:
>
> How about wooden neckties from a few years back?
>
> Best,
> Rich in ATL
>
> On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:
>
>> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
>> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to 
>> have around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the 
>> splats, but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>>
>>
>> Edwin
>>
>> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>>
>>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>>
>>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>>
>>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>>
>>> Cheers 
>>> Jason
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[RichS]

How about wooden neckties from a few years back?

Best,
Rich in ATL

On Friday, October 16, 2020 at 10:35:26 AM UTC-4 Edwin W wrote:

> Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
> Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
> around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
> but I see their (dorky) practicality!
>
>
> Edwin
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:
>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting?
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Jason
>
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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Edwin W]

Splats and Half Mitts have to be up there.
Half mitts with the thumb I find are actually pretty useful things to have 
around, take up little space and weigh very little. Never got the splats, 
but I see their (dorky) practicality!


Edwin

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 6:43:36 PM UTC-5 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Ben Mihovk]

*Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long 
chainstay thing. *
I'm just a few weeks into riding my new Atlantis, and I have to say...I 
don't think I want a bike with traditional chainstays ever again. As a tall 
guy who feels pretty elevated when I'm on a bike, I appreciate the nearly 
exorbitant wheelbase on this bike. 
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 10:34:41 PM UTC-5 dougP wrote:

> Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long 
> chainstay thing.  IIRC, this started out as the "tentacular chainstays" a 
> few years back.  Something like "if I can get a dozen people to commit to 
> buying a new idea, sight unseen & no details, I'll build something I've 
> been thinking about."  One of GP's most interesting marketing approaches.  
> Low'n'behold, now we have a bunch of models using that idea.  But if a 
> dozen (or whatever the number was) of adventureous people hadn't stepped 
> up, it wouldn't have happened.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:43:36 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Jason
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Jim M.]

I still have a Foss tube in one of my wheels. Damn thing won't wear out. 

Jeff Jones, another iconoclast like Grant, is doing long wheelbases too.

jim
walnut creek

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 8:34:41 PM UTC-7 dougP wrote:

> Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long 
> chainstay thing.  IIRC, this started out as the "tentacular chainstays" a 
> few years back.  Something like "if I can get a dozen people to commit to 
> buying a new idea, sight unseen & no details, I'll build something I've 
> been thinking about."  One of GP's most interesting marketing approaches.  
> Low'n'behold, now we have a bunch of models using that idea.  But if a 
> dozen (or whatever the number was) of adventureous people hadn't stepped 
> up, it wouldn't have happened.  
>
> dougP
>
> On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:43:36 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>>
>> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
>> box. Stick shifting? 
>>
>> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
>> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>>
>> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>>
>> Cheers 
>> Jason
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[dougP]

Consider the how they're the only ones (I know of) doing the long chainstay 
thing.  IIRC, this started out as the "tentacular chainstays" a few years 
back.  Something like "if I can get a dozen people to commit to buying a 
new idea, sight unseen & no details, I'll build something I've been 
thinking about."  One of GP's most interesting marketing approaches.  
Low'n'behold, now we have a bunch of models using that idea.  But if a 
dozen (or whatever the number was) of adventureous people hadn't stepped 
up, it wouldn't have happened.  

dougP

On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:43:36 PM UTC-7, J L wrote:
>
> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting? 
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb. 
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances. 
>
> Cheers 
> Jason

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[RBW] Re: Weirdest Rivendell ideas?

[Joe Bernard]

Foss tubes were* so *strange. I don't remember how it worked now but 
there'was a specific way they needed to be inserted in the tire, and they 
had a dedicated (and pricey) patch. 

My favorite wacky idea was a wheel size between 584(650b) and 622(700c), I 
believe it was 603. Grant cut a tire, pulled a slice out and sewed it back 
together to fit on his new wheel to try it. I wish I could remember why he 
wanted this new standard, someone with that Reader from the mid-'00s can 
tell us. 

My favorite wacky idea that made it to production is also a tire, the 
Speedblend. I miss them!

Joe Bernard 
On Thursday, October 15, 2020 at 4:43:36 PM UTC-7 J L wrote:

> Remember Foss tubes? I like that Riv has always tried to be out of the 
> box. Stick shifting?
>
> What are some of the other head scratcher ideas and products from 
> yesteryear? None of them have ever been dumb.
>
> This is in praise of creative thinking and taking chances.
>
> Cheers
> Jason

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