[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Me and mine borrowed a Burley tandem for a couple months last summer. Used it as a kid hauler both around town and on a week long tour. Watched CL for 6 months and nothing even remotely suitable came up. After looking at stock models we ended up ordering a custom to better fit 93/78 PBH and 700X50mm tires w/ fender. Here's what it looks like so far… http://flic.kr/p/jLiSUM. --Smitty On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
In addition to what Steve has noted there is also an issue of strength. The captain needs to keep the bike upright while the stoker mounts and when at stops like traffic lights, where the pilot puts a foot down while the stoker stays clipped in. This is easy as long as the bike remains perfectly vertical, but when it doesn't the person in front needs to be stronger enough to lift the bike and stoker back to vertical. This argues for always putting the person with the most upper body strength in front and the person with the lower body weight in back. You also always want the more experienced rider in front . With a mixed team this usually turns out to be the male, but their are a few couples on the tandem@hobbes list with female captains. Or blind stokers, which really makes the choice easy! Michael On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:03:25 PM UTC-5, ted wrote: I am sure Jim knows well where of he speaks, so I count my wife and I as very lucky to have gotten a used tandem that suits us fairly well for far less than 5k, and through RBW no less. What I don't get though, is why virtually no enthusiastic husbands seem to let their wives drive. I can see over/around my wife better than she can me, and I think she appreciates being able to drive more than I miss it. I have read that there are tandem riding couples were the guy is the stoker, but I have yet to see one on the road. On Friday, February 7, 2014 2:06:37 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have seen a lot of men spend a lot of futile money trying to get their wives on a tandem. As others have mentioned, the fit issues are often a real compromise (at best). Unless you're willing to pony up $5000-plus for a custom, your odds of finding a tandem that is comfortable for both of you is pretty slim. You can buy a quality used tandem for a song (from a formerly enthusiastic husband), and then spend many years and thousands of dollars trying to get it to fit. If you do that, you'll probably have to let go of your Rivendell aesthetic sensibilities and open yourself up to some new options for handlebars, etc. Tandems are not something you can dive into casually or cheaply and expect good results. Both husband and wife need to be fully on-board with the idea. If the stoker/wife is lukewarm on the idea, no amount of enthusiasm from the captain will make it work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Fair enough, but I think the notion of sufficiency is relevant here. One being stronger doesn't necessarily mean the other is not strong enough. The same goes for experience. See http://www.gtgtandems.com/tech/femcaptain.html for an alternative view. ted On Sunday, February 9, 2014 10:20:39 AM UTC-8, Michael Hechmer wrote: In addition to what Steve has noted there is also an issue of strength. The captain needs to keep the bike upright while the stoker mounts and when at stops like traffic lights, where the pilot puts a foot down while the stoker stays clipped in. This is easy as long as the bike remains perfectly vertical, but when it doesn't the person in front needs to be stronger enough to lift the bike and stoker back to vertical. This argues for always putting the person with the most upper body strength in front and the person with the lower body weight in back. You also always want the more experienced rider in front . With a mixed team this usually turns out to be the male, but their are a few couples on the tandem@hobbes list with female captains. Or blind stokers, which really makes the choice easy! Michael On Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:03:25 PM UTC-5, ted wrote: I am sure Jim knows well where of he speaks, so I count my wife and I as very lucky to have gotten a used tandem that suits us fairly well for far less than 5k, and through RBW no less. What I don't get though, is why virtually no enthusiastic husbands seem to let their wives drive. I can see over/around my wife better than she can me, and I think she appreciates being able to drive more than I miss it. I have read that there are tandem riding couples were the guy is the stoker, but I have yet to see one on the road. On Friday, February 7, 2014 2:06:37 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have seen a lot of men spend a lot of futile money trying to get their wives on a tandem. As others have mentioned, the fit issues are often a real compromise (at best). Unless you're willing to pony up $5000-plus for a custom, your odds of finding a tandem that is comfortable for both of you is pretty slim. You can buy a quality used tandem for a song (from a formerly enthusiastic husband), and then spend many years and thousands of dollars trying to get it to fit. If you do that, you'll probably have to let go of your Rivendell aesthetic sensibilities and open yourself up to some new options for handlebars, etc. Tandems are not something you can dive into casually or cheaply and expect good results. Both husband and wife need to be fully on-board with the idea. If the stoker/wife is lukewarm on the idea, no amount of enthusiasm from the captain will make it work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I am sure Jim knows well where of he speaks, so I count my wife and I as very lucky to have gotten a used tandem that suits us fairly well for far less than 5k, and through RBW no less. What I don't get though, is why virtually no enthusiastic husbands seem to let their wives drive. I can see over/around my wife better than she can me, and I think she appreciates being able to drive more than I miss it. I have read that there are tandem riding couples were the guy is the stoker, but I have yet to see one on the road. On Friday, February 7, 2014 2:06:37 AM UTC-8, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: I have seen a lot of men spend a lot of futile money trying to get their wives on a tandem. As others have mentioned, the fit issues are often a real compromise (at best). Unless you're willing to pony up $5000-plus for a custom, your odds of finding a tandem that is comfortable for both of you is pretty slim. You can buy a quality used tandem for a song (from a formerly enthusiastic husband), and then spend many years and thousands of dollars trying to get it to fit. If you do that, you'll probably have to let go of your Rivendell aesthetic sensibilities and open yourself up to some new options for handlebars, etc. Tandems are not something you can dive into casually or cheaply and expect good results. Both husband and wife need to be fully on-board with the idea. If the stoker/wife is lukewarm on the idea, no amount of enthusiasm from the captain will make it work. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
On 02/08/2014 12:03 PM, ted wrote: I am sure Jim knows well where of he speaks, so I count my wife and I as very lucky to have gotten a used tandem that suits us fairly well for far less than 5k, and through RBW no less. What I don't get though, is why virtually no enthusiastic husbands seem to let their wives drive. I can see over/around my wife better than she can me, and I think she appreciates being able to drive more than I miss it. I have read that there are tandem riding couples were the guy is the stoker, but I have yet to see one on the road. It's more about handlebar height for the stoker than anything else. The stoker stem is attached to the captain's seat post, and the height of the handlebar as a result is limited: even with up-angled stoker stems, it's almost impossible to get the bar significantly higher than the stoker's saddle. Now imagine a stoker significantly larger than the captain, as most husbands are physically larger than their wives (obviously not always, but certainly so in most cases). You're looking at very significant bar-drop for the stoker, well into racer-territory, never mind current Riv bar much higher than seat height thinking. Then there's the matter of physical strength: the captain of a tandem needs more upper body strength than is typically needed to operate a single bicycle. For one thing, it's usual at a traffic light or a stop sign for the captain to dismount and for the stoker to remain seated and clipped in. Although it's mostly a matter of balance, if the stoker should make a sudden move it's up to the captain to hold the bike steady, and that does take strength. And, of course, just horsing the bike around when nobody's on it takes more strength than a single because the tandem typically weighs as much as two singles. While there are plenty of strong women, in general the male half of a tandem team typically has more upper body strength. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Fat front tandem-that's awesome! On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Here's one solution I found... http://www.instructables.com/id/brilliantly-simple-tandem-bike/?ALLSTEPS On 2/7/2014 11:16 AM, Toshi Takeuchi wrote: Hey Jim, where is your quad bike or better yet your quint family bike? :) --Those are some serious tires! -T On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Beautiful setup! Like the water bottle on the stoker stem... Mary Gersema Washington, DC On Friday, February 7, 2014 12:02:29 PM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery wrote: Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
- he was much more into downhill speed than I ever was. His wife later thanked me for training him how to be a good captain. :-) Yea, it took me awhile to catch on that Pat's screaming on the downhills wasn't about the big O Michael -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Hey Jim, where is your quad bike or better yet your quint family bike? :) --Those are some serious tires! -T On Fri, Feb 7, 2014 at 9:02 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: Here's my tandem. My stokers are 4, 6, and 8 years old. The oldest has been known to roll 70-mile hilly days back to back. http://www.flickr.com/x/t/0099009/photos/twowheelflight/4707219723/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I have been trying not to buy one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Giordano-Viaggio-Tandem-White-Pearl/dp/B004Q3PE30/ref=sr_1_3?s=cyclingie=UTF8qid=1391696071sr=1-3 But I know that for $500 to my door I will be getting one sooner or later. Its cheap, I am sure I could up-spec it a bit with what I have in my garage and I really want a better tandem. I have an old Schwinn Twinn but have been trying to get the lady to ride with me a bit more. Scott Dayton, OH On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:02 PM, charlie.fowler chas.fow...@gmail.comwrote: My sister and I ride a 1976 Motobecane tandem we got a few years ago. Has bar end shifters, a TA triple and a frozen captain's seat post. Lucky seat height is right. It's pretty Granted out. Shellaced bar tape and twine, a Hobo bag hanging on stoker bar and a little joe bag flipped backwards on front bar and a burrito wrap behind the stoker. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgiobrtn7n7moqu/IMG_1258.JPG Charlie fowler, who rides a 57cm romulus Hamilton ohio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Hey Bill, You can also use crank shorteners to ride with the kids on the tandem. My short-legged 9 yr old son uses crank shorteners now. My daughter can't use them yet. I have a Santana 26 cro-moly tandem. Wonderful bike with thousands of miles with the kids. (I also have a 700c triplet bike that I use with both kids.) I haven't ridden as much on the tandem/triplet because my kids like to ride on their own bike now... Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
yeah, I probably could have done that. Now, if I do what I should now, I'll just pony up for a new Ritchey double breakaway and run it 650B. On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 3:36:00 PM UTC-8, ttoshi wrote: Hey Bill, You can also use crank shorteners to ride with the kids on the tandem. My short-legged 9 yr old son uses crank shorteners now. My daughter can't use them yet. I have a Santana 26 cro-moly tandem. Wonderful bike with thousands of miles with the kids. (I also have a 700c triplet bike that I use with both kids.) I haven't ridden as much on the tandem/triplet because my kids like to ride on their own bike now... Toshi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My sister and I ride a 1976 Motobecane tandem we got a few years ago. Has bar end shifters, a TA triple and a frozen captain's seat post. Lucky seat height is right. It's pretty Granted out. Shellaced bar tape and twine, a Hobo bag hanging on stoker bar and a little joe bag flipped backwards on front bar and a burrito wrap behind the stoker. https://www.dropbox.com/s/lgiobrtn7n7moqu/IMG_1258.JPG Charlie fowler, who rides a 57cm romulus Hamilton ohio -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
There are tons of really cheap $100 - $200 tandems on craigslist. I just bought a 1969 Schwinn Twinn for $125. Obviously this isn't an event grade bike but my girlfriend and I have had a good time playing around with it in the city. I would suggest you consider picking up something inexpensive at first to make sure you both enjoy riding together. I know everyone here appreciates fine craftsmanship and high quality but there is always something to be said for having a fun POS that you can just get silly with. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My buddy had his Cannondale tandem set up for him with his two daughters - the taller as stoker and the much shorter daughter on a Burley Piccolo trailer bike. On Friday, January 31, 2014 2:51:06 PM UTC-6, Tim McNamara wrote: On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. The dilemma of fatherhood in a nutshell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Here's our Santana set up with Albas front and rear. http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/12235116233/ I've had it since the mid 90s. The rides these days are shorter and flatter as my wife is much more comfortable on her single and our overall power has decreased. She is very sensitive to bumps. The sprung saddle helps but communication is everything. It's great fun and our go to picnic bike. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:39:50 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My wife and I ride Rivendell models -- Romulus, Rambouillet, others -- and after riding a Cannondale MTB tandem with slicks drop bars for awhile we went to Co-Motion. We asked Dwan to replicate our positions on a 57 Romulus in the back and a 58 Rambouillet in the front and set up the headtube so that I could get my captain's handlebars level with the saddle. Mission accomplished. The final productt, their 700c wheel Speedster, fit as we wanted. We've since then replaced that bike with a 700c Java expedition tandem which allows much bigger tires and fenders. The only obstacle on both frames has been getting Brooks saddles far enough back, but the NItto Wayback post solved that. I asked Grant at one of his book signings about the Riv tandem project and he said it was still on his list, but he had no prediction about when. Ed F. Washington, DC On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:39:50 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I believe this was GP's tandem at one time: http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wsf-0043.htm -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. The dilemma of fatherhood in a nutshell. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork... Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-) Steve On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmcy...@gmail.com wrote: Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.comwrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
OUCH! Owned! In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game for a lot of things this summer. Although he likes playing video games as much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen. On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote: ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork... Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-) Steve On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Sounds a lot like mine and things turned out very well indeed! http://www.flickr.com/photos/cnyriv/12241381705/ On Friday, January 31, 2014 4:06:03 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote: OUCH! Owned! In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game for a lot of things this summer. Although he likes playing video games as much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen. On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote: ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork... Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-) Steve On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote: Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
FWIW, I only (relatively) briefly lost interest in hanging out with my dad-we canoed together when I was in my late teens and camped and hunted together when I was in my 30's. Dad was never a cycler but if he had been, I don't doubt we would've done that together too. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: OUCH! Owned! In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game for a lot of things this summer. Although he likes playing video games as much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen. On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote: ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork... Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-) Steve On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote: Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Very good stuff, John Philip! Thanks for sharing that, and thanks stevef, too. I'm looking forward to the next few years. On Friday, January 31, 2014 1:52:17 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote: FWIW, I only (relatively) briefly lost interest in hanging out with my dad-we canoed together when I was in my late teens and camped and hunted together when I was in my 30's. Dad was never a cycler but if he had been, I don't doubt we would've done that together too. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 4:06 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: OUCH! Owned! In reality, he's always begging to go on S24Os, so I expect he'll be game for a lot of things this summer. Although he likes playing video games as much as any pre-teen, he also is an expert at both Cribbage and Pinochle, so I'm not going to expect him to be a completely run of the mill teen. On Friday, January 31, 2014 12:56:46 PM UTC-8, stevef wrote: ...it's going to be on like Donkey Kong...his dad is a huge dork... Heh, phrases like that probably won't help your case...B-) Steve On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 3:50 PM, Curtis McKenzie cmc...@gmail.comwrote: Bill, Enjoy the window for it is ephemeral. Curtis who knows from experience McKenzie On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.comwrote: My tandem is an Ibis Touche. 700c with Jack Browns currently. My wife and I have only ridden it a couple times, before having kids. I did a century on it with a guest stoker about 4 years ago, though, and it was great. It has a unicrown fork with tons of clearance, so I could go a lot bigger than a Jack Brown in front. In back it's a lot cozier. I test-fit some 700x37 Paselas. It cleared but not with enough margin to actually leave them on there. Now that I'm a more experienced fender-fitter, I may try to get fenders around the Jack Browns. The bike is cream, and I'm wondering if cream longboards would match or clash. My 12 year old son is *almost* tall enough to stoke. I never bothered putting a kiddie conversion on, because I had a Burley Piccolo to use. Once he can stoke, then it's going to be on like Donkey Kong. Hopefully there will be a small window where he's tall enough to ride the tandem with me and not old enough to realize his dad is a huge dork and not want to ride it with me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.comjavascript: . Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My buddy last year sold his too large (for his new wife) Cannondale tandem, and bought a great smaller used steel Santana. They're both very happy with the bike and we ride together frequently, which keeps me chasing them very hard down hills. They trained last summer to ride Donner Pass in the fall, and we made some strenuous 2300' climbs in the summer Texas hill country. On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:17:51 PM UTC-6, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
I didn't catch the re-listing. A few sizes too small for me as well, praise the briny depths! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:05:11 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: ...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Rachel and I had too great a height difference (captain SH 83cm, stoker 63cm) for a production tandem, so we were in custom or Bike Friday waters. We went Bike Friday in the end. If we were to do it over, I think we would find the tallest frame the stoker could straddle and then hack the captain's quarters to work. Or perhaps try a used Friday. It would have been nice to get some tandem experience before committing to a frame. The Friday certainly has advantages when it comes to storage and transport, though! Best, joe broach portland, or On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 12:31 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't catch the re-listing. A few sizes too small for me as well, praise the briny depths! On Thursday, January 30, 2014 12:05:11 PM UTC-8, Bill Lindsay wrote: ...and it's relisted at $1275. Thank LOB it's small for me On Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:17:51 AM UTC-8, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: I love tandems, and so does my Glorius-riding stoker! That said, I highly doubt she would want to sit on the back of one for a century. There's no such thing as not pedalling unless you have a Da Vinci type independent system http://www.davincitandems.com/dv2.html Used Santanas are the most common, at least here in Southern California. I've had two of them and they're great. Lower trail (there, I said it!) than Co-Motion. Not as pretty as C-M though. Don't know anything about Burley or other models. They all limit 700C tire size to about 30mm which is lame on a tandem. 26 models usually have a full 2 tire capacity. I recently purchased a mid 90's Trek T200 and *highly *recommend those along w/ their lower level T100. They both fit a full 700X40C tire, low-ish trail, and fairly inexpensive. Steel of course. Unless your stoker is significantly shorter than you are, it will be hard to get their handlebar much higher than saddle height. So you can put on Albas, but getting real upright is limited. This entirely too awesome for words tandem auction just ended on ebay with no bids: http://www.ebay.com/itm/231108852323 On Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:39:50 AM UTC-8, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
A few years ago, Grant mentioned a Riv tandem, but he wasn't sure that there would be enough demand because of the cost. We bought a used custom 1996 Santana Noventa (fillet brazed Columbus Nivacrom) built for a couple in Denver, CO. I had a hard time finding a used tandem that would give me high enough handlebars and accommodate the 16cm difference in saddle height. My wife doesn't ride in the drops because of a few fused vertebrae in her neck, so was thinking about trying moustache bars and a Brooks Flyer to make her ride more comfortable. I tried to fit a Thudbuster ST under her saddle, but her legs are too short. I am pretty sure that I can fit a 700x32 tire without having the wheel tweaked. I may upgrade the brakes to Paul Mini-Moto before the big ride. Here is a link to a pic of the Lavender Limo... http://i464.photobucket.com/albums/rr7/WFRTony/005.jpg RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last day through the hills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
My little brother (not a Riv rider... yet.) and his wife took a purple Santana tandem on RAGBRAI last year. They made it without killing each other. I'll keep an eye out for your Lavender Limo. Tim RAGBRAI is going to be flat and short this year, so we hope to ride the Tandem for the first 6 days and I will switch to my San Marcos for the last day through the hills. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
As has been pointed out having the stoker coast is only possible only the DaVinci independent coasting system. OK I guess, and many people like it but I wouldn't recommend it. Do a lot of research before you buy because a lot of what you take for granted about riding a single is not applicable to a double. My wife, Pat, and I love riding the tandem, but there is a saying in the tandem world - whatever direction your relationship is headed in, it will get there faster on a tandem! Riding a tandem requires a lot of communication, coordination and compromise. The team needs to come to agreement on cadence and gears. The captain needs to keep the stoker informed of everything that is about to happen. Front end shifting requires both riders to relax and reengage at the same time. In the tandem world, the stoker is always right rules, and things go better when the pilot relaxes and gives the stoker control. Just go as far and as fast as your partner wants. Our tandem is a 26 wheel custom Bilenky, SS coupled travel tandem. I'm pretty sure most RBW riders would much prefer a 26 or 650b tandem. Santana and CoMotion are the big sellers in this market and both design their 700c bikes around 28mm tires! Considering that all but the lightest teams will be well over 300 lbs. that's bizarre. Our fully loaded touring tandem is well in excess of 400 lbs but handles very easily. If you want a new coupled tandem Bilenkey is the way to go. Tandems require more stand over for the pilot because he must straddle the bike with his legs spread apart while the stoker climbs on and clips in (another tandem must). Smaller wheels are stronger, create more tire clearance, and and offer more stand over. Also, another rule of thumb says a tandem will cost three times as much as a single of comparable quality. There's a web site dedicate to selling used tandems, but i have lost track of the url. Also, check out the tan...@hobbes.edu.org discussion, but it has a decidedly racing slant. Also check out John Pamela Blayles web site for a wealth of good info. http://www.blayleys.com/index.htm Michael On Thursday, January 30, 2014 1:39:50 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: And could I put Albas on the back for my stoker wife? I am going to do the Six Pillars Century ride in Maryland this year, Lord willing. They have a 37 miler my wife might be interested in. I told her if we had a tandem she could go on the full century with me and just stop pedalling whenever she gets tired. At least I think you can do that on a tandem. Anyone here have any ideas about tandems? Is steel still real, or are lighter materials in order for a frame of that size? Wonder if RBW will ever go tandem, not that I could afford it. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
In the SF Bay Area, there are a couple (a few?) Ibis tandems on Craigslist right now. And some cheaper Santana ones. A cool old British one. Maryland looks a little bleaker: http://baltimore.craigslist.org/bik/4272347660.html http://delaware.craigslist.org/bik/4295097541.html Philip www.biketinker.com On Thursday, January 30, 2014 2:36:23 PM UTC-8, Michael wrote: Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
As a stoker, I have to chime in. I've tried like 5-6 different tandems and here's what I know: It does make a difference in how fast you want to go- the lightest frame will go very fast. However- you really have to check your brakes because when you go downhill on a tandem, you go much, much faster and can easily burn out your brakes. Bike Friday tandems are different from regular tandems (I find them a bit more rickety; my (sadly, now deceased) captain found them more fun to bike). Riv-style tires (ie the wide tires) are a pain to put in most tandems (I know, because I once asked if I could put hetres in one of them). And, if you're over 6' and your stoker is over 5'6 a majority of tandems are going to be too small for you. Bike Fridays get around the height issues because most of them can be adjusted for varying heights, but IMO, they feel very different from the solid frames. There really is no such thing as no pedaling, unless you have independent pedaling systems. Also, you really don't want the stoker to not pedal, because otherwise it will be like biking with a er... dead weight in the back. And don't even think of not pedaling as a captain unless you want your stoker to really, really hate you. (Don't ask me how I know :) It's really more about working together more than anything. In the long rides, one of us (but not both) would inevitably get tired, and it really helped that the other one had a bit more energy than the other- the tired one would just lightly go through the movements while the other one would pedal harder. That way we sort of took breaks without stopping. You cant do this as a captain, but a stoker can pretty much ride without really having to lean weight on arms/hands (unless you are planning on racing). In short, the captain does all the steering and balancing - looking out for traffic, braking, stopping. The stoker provides the engine - pedaling. (My least favorite question is does she really pedal? she really isn't pedaling, right?). It took me a while to let go of not being able to brake- I like to go more slowly and take less risks- but eventually I just trusted the captain to do things right. (And he, more or less, trusted me to pedal when I should be pedaling.) I've done 33 miles, 45+ miles, and a metric century (about 66 miles) on a tandem. The last one took about 6+ hours and that may be a bit much for a stoker. i know it was a bit much for me- mostly because I could not *imagine* spending more than 6 hours on a bike. Plus, staring at back of one's helmet or bum for 6+ hours can get a little tiresome...one thing that helps on such ride is having the stoker read maps/be the backseat rider. In the winter, one advantage as a stoker is that one never really has to face the wind chills as the captain is a good draft blocker...ha. My favorite thing as a stoker was being able to take photos that I otherwise would never be able to take on my single bicycle. I would suggest trying out a rental or borrowed tandem first, doing a few city rides, and if you do get one, try using it for commutes or nights out, and then gradually moving to longer weekend rides. And if you end up hating it, don't feel bad. You won't be the first couple who hates it- everyone has a different cycling style. I know one couple who tried a tandem and it took them a while to say that it was not for them and they're still together. Here's a list of tandems I've tried: vintage Gitane (sold) Burley Paso Doble- best for long distance Bike Friday Family Tandem Traveler (sold) vintage Santana (so old they didn't list it in their catalogue) - best for city rides Bike Friday Tandem Traveler XL - best if you want to fly around and take your tandem with you rentals/test rides: Burley Duet Hase Pino (this is a weird tandem in which the stoker is a recumbent in front and the captain steers in the back. This is fun until you go downhill and the stoker realizes that trying not to fall off the bike might be more of a challenge.) Stoker cam (as I like to call it) pics at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/ejchang/sets/72157624509288453/ Also, I don't know where you are but if you are in Maryland, Mt. Airy Bicycles might be worth going to test out a bunch of tandems. They aren't the cheapest but iirc, they have a lot of variety- new and used and you can try out a bunch of them. Here's the link: http://www.bike123.com/ Hope that helps, Eunice On Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:36:23 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote: Wow! I didn't know tandemming was so complex. I really don't know anything about them and thought the two could just hop on and ride. Definitely sounds like research for this project will be needed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send
[RBW] Re: What do Rivendell Riders use for tandems?
Thanks, Eunice! Stokercam is really cool. Fun pics! Thanks for the info. I live in Ellicott City, Maryland and I know where Mt. Airy Bikes is. I have only been there once though, but not inside. My wife is a 5'3, 11mph, casual commuter, and I thought it would be fun to bring her along for century rides, and she could do as much or as little pedaling as she liked. But looks like that is not how tandems work. I see there is much more involvement, and I can also see how even if she could stop pedaling, that might be even harder on your body to just sit still on a bike ride of great lengths. I'll have to rethink. Maybe I can just take her on the shorter rides century organizers usually offer and tag along with her. I think, pedaling herself, she would only want to go 40 miles tops. She's not into distance, but thinks that flat long rides below 40 miles would be fun for her. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
