[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
For all the fetishism around handmade, it seems to be a common excuse for sloppiness and poor quality control. That said, I enjoy my Brooks saddles, and tolerate their quirks. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
I own three Brooks B17-type saddles. Two have developed deformities in the leather. I still ride them, but they are clearly deformed. My next leather saddle will be from a competitor, maybe a Berthoud, if I can wrap my head around the price. Richard Selle Anatomic makes quality saddles.I have no complaints about the X series I own. Plus they're only $99.00 until December 31st. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:08:21 PM UTC+2, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. The story I heard is that he went through a _lot_ of trouble to find quality leather, that it took him years, and that there isn't any guarantee for a continuous lasting supply. He only makes a fraction of the quantities that Brooks manufacture also. Johan Larsson, Sweden -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
On Nov 2, 2014, at 1:24 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: For all the fetishism around handmade, it seems to be a common excuse for sloppiness and poor quality control. That said, I enjoy my Brooks saddles, and tolerate their quirks. Yep. The deal there IMHO is leather selection. It used to be that the more expensive saddles (e.g., the Pro) used selected and thicker leather from along the spine of the animal. Now it appears that they use little by way of leather selection. Brooks has been bought out and probably lost a lot of the old hands due to that and the natural effects of retirement; this may account for the problems. And since they were bought out, the shapes of the saddles have been changed and I find the new ones to be uncomfortable; I have looked for old Pros in excellent condition for quite a while now when I want a new saddle. I still ride the Pro that I bought in 1977 or 1978 on my Riv; it’s been on four or five different bikes over the years and is the most comfortable saddle I have ever ridden. I’ve been worried off and on about what I will do when it finally can be used no longer, as leather saddles don’t last forever (although close to 40 years is pretty doggone good and I hope it’s good for another 10). The second best saddle I have found, so far, is the Cambium and it is very, very close in comfort to my old Pro- like better than 95% as comfortable so far. I have been very impressed with the one I bought from Riv a month ago, which is to say that when I ride on it I don’t think about it at all. If you’re thinking about your saddle while you’re riding a bike except for a passing appreciation of how comfortable it is, it’s probably the wrong saddle for you. The Cambium is just about that comfortable. The shape is very similar to the old Pros and the flex is just a touch softer. I bought another Cambium from a list member this week that will probably go on my tandem. Given the differences in the manufacturing process, I would expect the Cambium to be very consistent, much more so than a leather saddle with indifferent QC about leather sourcing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014 3:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com wrote: I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
the other sounds like a snack food On Saturday, November 1, 2014 10:03:05 AM UTC-5, Jim Bronson wrote: Where dynamo hubs are ubiquitous I think you meant to say? ;) Yes, the times I've been in Germany, dynamo hubs and good lighting seem to be standard equipment on bikes. On Nov 1, 2014 3:06 AM, 'Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: wrote: I have owned several B17s a Champon Flyer. All developed their own 'personality.' The worst warped B17 lives on a mountain bike. In spite of its oddities its super comfortable when I place my butt on it. That said, after breaking in a Berthoud (which took awhile) it is a perfect saddle. Joe who is checking out Berlin bikes where dynamic hubs are ubiquitos Ramey -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
UPDATE: I got a response from Brooks: These are indeed peculiarities from being handmade and they should cause you no problems.. Glad they responded and good to know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Too many hours as the after school shop rat using tools from a chest with those stickers on it, and add Lockheed-Girling, a nightmare if they had gotten into bike parts Brooks is living up to some of these epic, old empire, business models if these reports are representative. Company response (besides the puff-piece emails about the boutique in London) would be interesting, wonder if they're aware of the concentration of product users here. Andy Cheatham (sneaking B-17s into the house for years-on all the bikes) Pittsburgh On Thursday, September 11, 2014 4:13:29 AM UTC-4, Tonester wrote: The Prince of Darkness and why the English drink warm beer On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:18:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
The Spa Cycles saddles are manufactured by the same company that makes Velo Orange, Cardiff, Gyes saddles. Nice looking, tough to break in IME. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
The VO saddles *are* hard to break in. I've been riding mine for two years, and it's just getting a few dents now, but I ride far back, on the cantle, so that likely makes a difference. For all that, I have to say that it's a pretty comfortable saddle (I'm using the Model 1, which is no longer in production). But then, I've found B17s and Swifts comfortable out of the box... On Friday, September 12, 2014 2:57:43 PM UTC-4, David Banzer wrote: The Spa Cycles saddles are manufactured by the same company that makes Velo Orange, Cardiff, Gyes saddles. Nice looking, tough to break in IME. David -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
The Prince of Darkness and why the English drink warm beer On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:18:20 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpet...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulld...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
My Cambium is holding up beautifully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
We have B17s on the tandem, one standard one deluxe. No anomalies or premature ware in either; but the early Selle Anatomica saddles I have on the Ram Saluki are both noticeably more comfortable. These are very early models and still in good condition. Only no dang bag loops! Michael On Thursday, September 11, 2014 8:55:33 AM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: My Cambium is holding up beautifully. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
it's the badge that is an inch off center, but one side of the saddle is stiff, and the other is quite soft. We've concentrated on breaking in the hard side and she rides it Many miles without complaint, but I still have to apply neatsfoot oil to the bottom of the saddle just on that side to keep it soft. On Thursday, September 11, 2014 12:16:08 AM UTC-5, lungimsam wrote: @Ron, An inch off center?!?! Does it ride fine? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. I don't know if those things are considered defects, or just part of the hand-made acceptable imperfections. I mean, as long as the saddle rides great, then no big deal, if that's par for the course for hand made. But I don't want trouble down the road for accepting something that may be defective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... Anton On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 1:59:37 PM UTC-4, lungimsam wrote: Seems like most of the time I have ordered saddles, I get saddles shipped to me that have inconsistencies - Rivets out of alignment, one spring a little taller than the other with spring loops spread wider than the other, top rails off center relative to bottom rails, nose leather crooked, nose has a curve to it, adjustment bolt crooked. I kept one with a slightly crooked nose so as to not put out the vender with a return, and it has been comfortable. Are these things normal because they are hand made saddles, or are they defects? I use very reputable dealers. I know I can return a saddle for exchange, but I feel like I'd have to exchange a few to finally get one sent to me that has everything in alignment. Am I crazy, or do you all have the same probs with Brooks these days? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
And Brooks itself uses very fine leather on its Select saddles (sold by Riv, last time I looked). -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC? On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
Did anyone mention Lucas yet? Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 6:16 PM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Quality control? have you ever bought something made in England, hahaha. The country that brought us the Reliant Robin. http://www.google.com/url?sa=trct=jq=esrc=ssource=webcd=6cad=rjauact=8ved=0CD0QuAIwBQurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DQQh56geU0X8ei=wPcQVPivMo_hsAShjICAAQusg=AFQjCNFDKZ4iUXHiqs8_8mInHqhgDNZzygsig2=UyKkLz9K_H_OyLqlMrlGQA On Wed, Sep 10, 2014 at 8:51 PM, Ron Mc bulldog...@gmail.com wrote: have noticed a big difference in Brooks Special with the large rivets vs. Standard and Imperial. My daughter's Imperial has one side of the leather thick, one side thin, and the Brooks badge is an inch away from center. On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 4:25:23 PM UTC-5, Anton Tutter wrote: Correct. I have a Berthoud saddle... way sturdier leather than Brooks. It's possible the higher-end Brooks models get the thicker, choice leather, but I wouldn't know as all of my newer Brooks are the lower end models (B17 regular, B67 sprung, etc). On Wednesday, September 10, 2014 2:08:21 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/10/2014 02:05 PM, Anton Tutter wrote: Most of the 4-5 Brooks saddle's I've bought new in the past five years have had some sort of anomaly or inconsistency in manufacture (some of which like you mentioned), but none bad enough to warrant returning it. The biggest issue I have with them is the poor leather quality-- thinner than on vintage Brooks. They've held up so far, but based on the rate of wear, I wouldn't say these are going to last nearly as long as some of the vintage ones I've found. The used ones that I've found that date back to the 1970s and 80s seem to have thicker leather and give me the impression they'll last decades more... And it's not like that quality leather isn't out there: Gilles Berthoud seems to have no trouble finding it for his saddles. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
I can't complain about my b17 special and my select model, but my basic black standard brooks b17 didn't hold up as well as they are. The leather is noticeably thicker on the special and select and I haven't come across any squeaking or need to adjust the bolt like I have on the standard. Still, I ride the standard fine, but the leather is thinner. An alternative to brooks that I have been recently made aware of is Spa Cycles saddles. http://www.spacycles.co.uk/products.php?plid=m2b0s204p0 I have been told that the leather and quality of construction is first rate. I don't have personal experience with them though. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
@Ron, An inch off center?!?! Does it ride fine? That's the kind of thing I am talking about. I don't know if those things are considered defects, or just part of the hand-made acceptable imperfections. I mean, as long as the saddle rides great, then no big deal, if that's par for the course for hand made. But I don't want trouble down the road for accepting something that may be defective. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: What is up with Brooks QC?
I emailed Brooks about this and will report back if I get a reply. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
