[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Hi everyone, It seems to me the original poster, grrlyrida, just needed a helpful, Remember, you will need to check and maybe tighten your shifters on a (regular basis or every 50 miles or once a week or...and this is how you do it yourself:... :) I think what may have been missed by Grant is that the original poster hadn't been instructed that the shifters will need regular tightening when the bike, or shifters, was/were purchased. Perhaps it would help to provide a small booklet with a newly purchased Riv, How to feed care for your new Rivendell bike! :) I didn't know these shifters might not work so well for people over 220 lbs, or for larger frame sizes, until Grant said so in his post. I hadn't read this anywhere before. I'm over 220 lbs, and I ordered my Hunqapillar in person at Rivendell, and no one mentioned this possible problem for me. Maybe no one at Riv knows this except Grant? I don't know. And no one told me, Please remember to tighten the shifters... And once I lose these extra pounds, will I still need to be concerned on a loaded tour? I think most people on this forum would qualify as enthusiasts or fan boys or fan girls of Rivendell bikes, but not everyone knows the particular needs quirks of each component, nor is everyone here a bicycle mechanical expert. Nor does everyone know what they don't know they don't know. :) Just $0.02 from a loyal Rivendell customer happy Hunqapillar owner, (Honest! I'm really, really happy!) John Phillips On Friday, August 15, 2014 10:14:08 PM UTC-7, grrlyrida wrote: My silver shifter becomes loose then I can't keep my front derailleur in high gear. Today I had to hold my left bar end shifter up while riding from Santa Monica to Silverlake. It was annoying and tiring. I've taken it in several times and the mechanic tightens it then it will last like that for 2 months and become loose again. Is there something wrong with this shifter? I don't have this problem with the right one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 1:20 PM, jphillip...@icloud.com jphillip...@icloud.com wrote: Hi everyone, It seems to me the original poster, grrlyrida, just needed a helpful, Remember, you will need to check and maybe tighten your shifters on a (regular basis or every 50 miles or once a week or...and this is how you do it yourself:... :) I think what may have been missed by Grant is that the original poster hadn't been instructed that the shifters will need regular tightening when the bike, or shifters, was/were purchased. Perhaps it would help to provide a small booklet with a newly purchased Riv, How to feed care for your new Rivendell bike! :) I didn't know these shifters might not work so well for people over 220 lbs, or for larger frame sizes, until Grant said so in his post. I hadn't read this anywhere before. I'm over 220 lbs, and I ordered my Hunqapillar in person at Rivendell, and no one mentioned this possible problem for me. Maybe no one at Riv knows this except Grant? I don't know. And no one told me, Please remember to tighten the shifters... And once I lose these extra pounds, will I still need to be concerned on a loaded tour? I think most people on this forum would qualify as enthusiasts or fan boys or fan girls of Rivendell bikes, but not everyone knows the particular needs quirks of each component, nor is everyone here a bicycle mechanical expert. Nor does everyone know what they don't know they don't know. :) Just $0.02 from a loyal Rivendell customer happy Hunqapillar owner, (Honest! I'm really, really happy!) John Phillips On Friday, August 15, 2014 10:14:08 PM UTC-7, grrlyrida wrote: My silver shifter becomes loose then I can't keep my front derailleur in high gear. Today I had to hold my left bar end shifter up while riding from Santa Monica to Silverlake. It was annoying and tiring. I've taken it in several times and the mechanic tightens it then it will last like that for 2 months and become loose again. Is there something wrong with this shifter? I don't have this problem with the right one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
On 08/18/2014 10:47 AM, Goshen Peter wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? Me too. I should think torsion on the frame would be more related to rider strength than weight. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
So if someone was on a 52 Sam and weighed 300 they should be ok, right? I think frame size probably matters alot more than rider weight. Maybe Grant was assuming we all have proportional height and weight, oh if only, hahaha. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
On my 67 AHH I just fiddle with and gently tighten the wing nut as I am riding along. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 8:57 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So if someone was on a 52 Sam and weighed 300 they should be ok, right? I think frame size probably matters alot more than rider weight. Maybe Grant was assuming we all have proportional height and weight, oh if only, hahaha. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 11:34 AM, Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
On 08/18/2014 12:01 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Hi Steve, Good question. Is it possible that a longer cable vs. a shorter cable, assuming stretch in the cable is a percentage, or fraction, would stretch more on a fixed scale, mm for example? Joe Hogg LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
So, cables stretch every time they are used so wouldn't some high quality cabling/housing help the issue then? if that even is the issue. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Joe Hogg joseph.h...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/18/2014 12:01 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Hi Steve, Good question. Is it possible that a longer cable vs. a shorter cable, assuming stretch in the cable is a percentage, or fraction, would stretch more on a fixed scale, mm for example? Joe Hogg LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Cables clearly do not stretch every time they are used. Otherwise we would be constantly be adjusting index shifting cables instead of once or twice a year. Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: So, cables stretch every time they are used so wouldn't some high quality cabling/housing help the issue then? if that even is the issue. On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 3:06 PM, Joe Hogg joseph.h...@gmail.com wrote: On 08/18/2014 12:01 PM, Steve Palincsar wrote: Why would a longer cable slip more? Johnny Alien johnnyal...@verizon.net johnnyal...@verizon.net wrote: I believe it has more to do with frame size and length of cable then the weight of the rider. On Monday, August 18, 2014 10:47:52 AM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: color me confused, why would your body weight make the shifters slip more? more torsion on the frame when pedaling? -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Hi Steve, Good question. Is it possible that a longer cable vs. a shorter cable, assuming stretch in the cable is a percentage, or fraction, would stretch more on a fixed scale, mm for example? Joe Hogg LA, CA -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Rougher? Having used both the 600s and silvers, I must disagree with the esteemed Grant P. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Grant isn't talking about your pre-indexed 600s, Andrew. He's most certainly not denigrating your 1985 600s (Arabesque!). Grant is talking about today's current alternative to Silvers from Riv, which is Shimano barcons. Shimano Barcons have a texture to them in friction mode, a little roughness. It's not bad and it's not a problem. Your 1985 Shimano 600s are fine, butter smooth, and you are right, practically never self-loosen. I have a theory why that is, but it doesn't particularly matter. They work fine, as do the Silvers, as do Shimano barcons. Shifting derailers is easy, about as difficult as tying ones own shoes. We're in this weird world where everybody is handwringing that tying shoes is too complicated, so everyone uses velcro shoes, or slip ons (brifters or electronics). We, the shoe tyers (tie-ers? tiers?), the people who choose to tie their own shoes are here discussing the relative merits of cloth vs leather vs string shoestrings. They are all fine. Thank goodness we have the choices that we have right now. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:36:09 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Rougher? Having used both the 600s and silvers, I must disagree with the esteemed Grant P. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Heh. Mine are the plain version, not the Arabesque, but yeah, I see. I have run 8s Shimano barcons, and didn't notice any roughness there, nor with 8s or 9s Shimano DT shifters, but they may have changed. Funny, I remember when I bought my first new bike after five years off (this would have been around '94 or so) I noticed it had indexed shifting and asked the salespern if there was any way to disable it. It's all good. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 12:09:12 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: Grant isn't talking about your pre-indexed 600s, Andrew. He's most certainly not denigrating your 1985 600s (Arabesque!). Grant is talking about today's current alternative to Silvers from Riv, which is Shimano barcons. Shimano Barcons have a texture to them in friction mode, a little roughness. It's not bad and it's not a problem. Your 1985 Shimano 600s are fine, butter smooth, and you are right, practically never self-loosen. I have a theory why that is, but it doesn't particularly matter. They work fine, as do the Silvers, as do Shimano barcons. Shifting derailers is easy, about as difficult as tying ones own shoes. We're in this weird world where everybody is handwringing that tying shoes is too complicated, so everyone uses velcro shoes, or slip ons (brifters or electronics). We, the shoe tyers (tie-ers? tiers?), the people who choose to tie their own shoes are here discussing the relative merits of cloth vs leather vs string shoestrings. They are all fine. Thank goodness we have the choices that we have right now. On Sunday, August 17, 2014 7:36:09 AM UTC-7, Andrew Marchant-Shapiro wrote: Rougher? Having used both the 600s and silvers, I must disagree with the esteemed Grant P. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
I am not sure why they do it but I have found that my left one will loosen quicker than the right as well. I just get in the habit of tightening them up a little (or at least checking them) before I heard out on the bike. No reason to hold th arm up while riding just stop and tighten it up a bit. At least that works fine for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Friction shifting requires snugging of the bolt from time to time. I usually snug them about once every week or two, something like that. I don't think about it or make a point of it. I just reach over and snug whenever the notion pops into my head, or the rear shifting gets funny. They stay put pretty well. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
A little beeswax on the screw might help. You might also look at that little nylon bushing that sit just under the screw -- those will sometimes crack, which I think could exacerbate the loosening problem (those are replaceable, and available). Kyle Brooks Akron, OH On Saturday, August 16, 2014 1:14:08 AM UTC-4, grrlyrida wrote: My silver shifter becomes loose then I can't keep my front derailleur in high gear. Today I had to hold my left bar end shifter up while riding from Santa Monica to Silverlake. It was annoying and tiring. I've taken it in several times and the mechanic tightens it then it will last like that for 2 months and become loose again. Is there something wrong with this shifter? I don't have this problem with the right one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Interesting. My Shimano 600 (last generation of pure friction) DT shifters never require this... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
See here at 1:10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Drh4PHMQwKI -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Beeswax most definitely helps. I have also found that the Microshift front derailer and the silver shifters make a bad combination for this, as the spring that tensions that particular FD is incredibly strong, which puts a lot more stress on the shifter. Just my experience, I am not a mechanic and don't have scientific evidence to back it up. But no matter what, you have to tighten the shifter yourself more often than every two months I think. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Which micro shift derailer model? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
Thanks for the video. I should have looked at it before posting, well if I knew it existed. How did I miss that one?! I admit I'm no mechanic. I'm learning a lot about silver shifters. Thanks everyone. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[RBW] Re: Why does my silver shifter become loose?
I think this has already been said---I haven't read so, but it must have been and I hope it has: If the lever stays in position, the gear will, too (because the derailer can't move if the lever doesn't). The lever is mechanically helped to stay put because of the ratchet inside---and this is, I'd say, a huge improvement over the levers that 99 percent of all pro racers and rich amateurs used before indexing. Campy friction shifters slipped to often and required such frequent wingbolt tightenings that you'd do it habitually, like --- some kind of habit. SunTour Superbe shifters from 1984-5 were so bad you'd have to snug 'em three times as often as the Campys. Simplex retrofrictions solved the problem so declaratively that Simplex didn't even put wingbolts on them (no backup system). I don't want to derail this topic into a pining for Simplex or a Grant vs Jan on Simplex vs Silver---but I do want to say that SunTour's super duper power ratchet ALSO prevents 98 percent of the slips of the pure friction shifters, and (like the Simplexes) reduces the - oh, how do I put this the best way?---well, it fights the derailer springs so you don't have to (that is not the best way, but for what it is, is true). But in the 29 years since Indexing, bike riders have lost the habit of snugging the shifter---they've been reared without friction. We've heard stories of bike mechanics who didn't even know to do this. All this is understandable, and it may come down to the question of the bike rider's role in the mechanix of the bike. At some level and when I'm at MY most curmudgeonly, I'd say part of riding a bike is knowing how to fiddle with it on the go. But that's not inherent in any rider---it has to be learned. And here, the internet with its inifinite and instance answers and immediate source of sympathetic friends can either hurt or hinder the process. To my way of thinking (which is only that), having to snug the Silver shifter a rare now and then---I do mine less than once a month, which is less than three times on a long a day with old Campy or every seventh shift with SunTour Superbes---is a small price to pay for the deliriously smooth feel of them. In retrospeculation I bet they came about as SunTour's own response to the Superbes---they said, in perfect secret Japanese--We gotta make up for this. What's the best way? and then developed the Power Ratchet, based on it's 1973-ish power ratchet thumb shifter. The Silver shifter is one of many good options, and there should be no pride or shame in going to it or any other shifter--it's more a matter of trade-offs, or at least perceived trade-offs. I'd say (but this is only me, and my humility is sincere) that if you're willing to learn the Silver trick of snugging the lever every now and then--FAR from constant maintenance--then you will, for that price, get a degree of engagement with your bike and a shifting feel beyond that--that neither indexing nor Shimano's bar-end shifter friction mode can equal. This is super subjective, of course. And if you just want to shift and never attend to the shifter, get the Shimano shifter or some other, and maybe be happy with the rougher friction mode they offer (without the Power Ratchet). One last thing: Within the last month or so we had a big guy on a 71 Homer complaining of slippling silvers, for whatever reason, but he also said he tried the snugging to no avail. We sent him Shimanos and problem solved. The roughish friction mode in Shimanos may provide enough resistance to better the Silvers if you're riding a really tall bike and are proportionately heavy yourself. But the benefits don't spill down to 65cm and smaller frame and riders 220lb or less. Certainly if you're 5-11 and 195, the shifter world is your oyster, or something. On Saturday, August 16, 2014 7:14:08 AM UTC+2, grrlyrida wrote: My silver shifter becomes loose then I can't keep my front derailleur in high gear. Today I had to hold my left bar end shifter up while riding from Santa Monica to Silverlake. It was annoying and tiring. I've taken it in several times and the mechanic tightens it then it will last like that for 2 months and become loose again. Is there something wrong with this shifter? I don't have this problem with the right one. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
