[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
Had a few compliments yesterday about my Atlantis. There was a big early season ride (Minnesota Ironman). A couple of guys even knew what kind of bike it was. (And did see two Rambouillets. In green. If either of you are on the list hi.) Didn't see any old Italian bikes. Although there were a few cool bikes to see. At least when not feeling sorry for myself for riding in a thunderstorm with a strong headwind, lots of traffic and cold temps. One bank thermometer about halfway through the ride read 42. Oh, and a flat to top off the day. (And still not positive on the last. The rear tire was squishy. But not sure if there is an actual leak or if a seam failed on the tube. Will need to diagnose. If the latter, it'll be my third bad tube in less than a year.) Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On Apr 26, 6:05�pm, k5osx k5o...@gmail.com wrote: This is my first year riding a road bike in decades; I've been participating in bike rallies in North Texas. I continue to be surprised at the number of folks who recognize a Rivendell. Every ride that I've been on, several folks have come up and said how nice the bike looks (particularly the lugs). In contrast, I'd be hard pressed to discern a Rivendell bike from 10 feet away. Yesterday, at the Germanfest rally in Muenster, however, someone sprang a new comment on me: It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? �He was surprised when I told him the bike wasn't even a year old, and designed in California. Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
k5o...@gmail.com writes: Yesterday, at the Germanfest rally in Muenster, however, someone sprang a new comment on me: It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian?) This sort of comment brings to mind the scene from the Untouchables. Ness: [looking at a gold chain Malone is holding] What is that? Malone: Ah, I'm among the heathen. That is my call box key, and that... is my St. Jude medallion. Ness: Saint who? George Stone: Santo Jude. The patron saint of lost causes. Malone: And policemen. Ness: Well, which are we, gentlemen - policemen, or lost causes? Scott G. Riding amongst the heathen. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
Keep in mind the Rohloff is designed to handle riding in gritty sand and rough no road conditions where no other gear system will function for very long. The Alfine is less rugged albeit more than good enough for most riders and is lighter than the Rohloff. On Apr 26, 9:45 pm, dpco dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the rohloff system is so heavy, it makes the frt' and r derailleurs systems look very efficient. if rohloff could bring the weight to somewhat, modern standards for a road bike, i would buy one in a new york minute. and by the way, i am not your sterio-typical weight weeny. i ride a blue ram. sincerely, don c. On Apr 26, 7:34 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: When you look at a Rohloff and compare it to the Rube Goldberg of a derailer, it kinda makes you wonder at the modern part. If we weren't all used to looking at the exposed gearing, derailer systems would never be taken seriously if introduced today. Let's see, an Atlantis frame is $2K, and a Rohloff is$2K. Lot more little precision pieces whirling about in the latter. Put the two together and you've gotyikes! One expensive and quite elegant touring bike. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeS Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:48 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
In a message dated 4/26/2009 7:05:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k5o...@gmail.com writes: Yesterday, at the Germanfest rally in Muenster, however, someone sprang a new comment on me: It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? He was surprised when I told him the bike wasn't even a year old, and designed in California. Robert, That's not all that unusual. You'll get used to it. When I first started riding the Rambouillet, a kid on a carbon bike told me the bike looked cool and asked me when it was built. He was expecting to hear 1948, 1939, etc. When I told him April he didn't say anything - I could see he was having difficulty processing April.' Bill **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get the Radio Toolbar! (http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003) --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
I recently had a similar experience regarding my Atlantis. Someone commented they hadn't seen one of those in decades. When I asked what he meant, he said something about how Atlantis was a famous bicycle from the good old days, didn't I know the history of what I was riding? So I had to tell him, yes, I do, because I'm the original owner and the bike was built in 2003. This guy had some difficulty processing that. When you get used to it, it's quite good fun, and for the most part harmless. dougP _ From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of bpus...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 4:32 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? In a message dated 4/26/2009 7:05:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, k5o...@gmail.com writes: Yesterday, at the Germanfest rally in Muenster, however, someone sprang a new comment on me: It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? He was surprised when I told him the bike wasn't even a year old, and designed in California. Robert, That's not all that unusual. You'll get used to it. When I first started riding the Rambouillet, a kid on a carbon bike told me the bike looked cool and asked me when it was built. He was expecting to hear 1948, 1939, etc. When I told him April he didn't say anything - I could see he was having difficulty processing April.' Bill _ Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on the web. Get http://toolbar.aol.com/aolradio/download.html?ncid=emlcntusdown0003 the Radio Toolbar! --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
Seems like every Rivendell gets a nice old bike compliment at one point or another. I'm inclined to appreciate the the compliment no matter how awkwardly it is given. There is definitely an objective appreciable quality of remarkable craftsmanship in well made things of any sort. Uninformed compliments about our nice old bikes are the most genuine in my opinion. Maybe it helps people to reconsider the popular idea of how a great bike is defined. On Apr 26, 8:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
When you look at a Rohloff and compare it to the Rube Goldberg of a derailer, it kinda makes you wonder at the modern part. If we weren't all used to looking at the exposed gearing, derailer systems would never be taken seriously if introduced today. Let's see, an Atlantis frame is $2K, and a Rohloff is$2K. Lot more little precision pieces whirling about in the latter. Put the two together and you've gotyikes! One expensive and quite elegant touring bike. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeS Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:48 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
the rohloff system is so heavy, it makes the frt' and r derailleurs systems look very efficient. if rohloff could bring the weight to somewhat, modern standards for a road bike, i would buy one in a new york minute. and by the way, i am not your sterio-typical weight weeny. i ride a blue ram. sincerely, don c. On Apr 26, 7:34 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: When you look at a Rohloff and compare it to the Rube Goldberg of a derailer, it kinda makes you wonder at the modern part. If we weren't all used to looking at the exposed gearing, derailer systems would never be taken seriously if introduced today. Let's see, an Atlantis frame is $2K, and a Rohloff is$2K. Lot more little precision pieces whirling about in the latter. Put the two together and you've gotyikes! One expensive and quite elegant touring bike. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeS Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:48 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
I don't think the Rohloff is much heavier than the DR system. You lose the front and rear DR's and two shifters with the Rohloff. I haven't looked it up recently, but suppose the Rohloff weighs a pound more. Cut out the pie and ice cream for a month and you've made up the difference. In the meantime, you have hassle-free shifting, skip all the adjusting, phantom shifts, etc. On Apr 26, 10:45 pm, dpco dcompton1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: the rohloff system is so heavy, it makes the frt' and r derailleurs systems look very efficient. if rohloff could bring the weight to somewhat, modern standards for a road bike, i would buy one in a new york minute. and by the way, i am not your sterio-typical weight weeny. i ride a blue ram. sincerely, don c. On Apr 26, 7:34 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: When you look at a Rohloff and compare it to the Rube Goldberg of a derailer, it kinda makes you wonder at the modern part. If we weren't all used to looking at the exposed gearing, derailer systems would never be taken seriously if introduced today. Let's see, an Atlantis frame is $2K, and a Rohloff is$2K. Lot more little precision pieces whirling about in the latter. Put the two together and you've gotyikes! One expensive and quite elegant touring bike. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeS Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:48 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 10:03 PM, R Gonet richard.go...@earthlink.netwrote: I don't think the Rohloff is much heavier than the DR system. I cut out the fd and the rd, the cassette, the shifters, the rear brake, and all of that loosely slapping length of chain, but forgot to add the Rohloff. Back to the main thread: I've been asked complementarily how old my '03 custom commuter fixed is (Curt Customized it, Dave [Porter, of ABQ] converted it] and the H, let's see ... 2003 response did flummox the asker; but my commuter is dressed up, as no doubt many of y'alls are, with Honjos and Nittos and clips and straps and old style Flite and, at the time, an Adam and even a brass bell, and I am sure that the acoutrements added to the anachronistic impression. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM Professional Resumes. Contact resumespecialt...@gmail.com --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
[RBW] Re: old Italian bike?
I've mused about the weight difference for the two systems, taken as a total, but never bothered to go on-line and get all the weights of the bits and add them up. Heft a 12-32 8 speed steel cassette (the affordable kind). Think about multiple chainrings. Extra chain. Freehub. I wouldn't be surprised if the total system diff was less than a couple of pounds. Dunno, but it'd be a fun experiment. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of dpco Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 7:46 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? the rohloff system is so heavy, it makes the frt' and r derailleurs systems look very efficient. if rohloff could bring the weight to somewhat, modern standards for a road bike, i would buy one in a new york minute. and by the way, i am not your sterio-typical weight weeny. i ride a blue ram. sincerely, don c. On Apr 26, 7:34 pm, Doug Peterson dougpn...@cox.net wrote: When you look at a Rohloff and compare it to the Rube Goldberg of a derailer, it kinda makes you wonder at the modern part. If we weren't all used to looking at the exposed gearing, derailer systems would never be taken seriously if introduced today. Let's see, an Atlantis frame is $2K, and a Rohloff is$2K. Lot more little precision pieces whirling about in the latter. Put the two together and you've gotyikes! One expensive and quite elegant touring bike. dougP -Original Message- From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of GeorgeS Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2009 6:48 PM To: RBW Owners Bunch Subject: [RBW] Re: old Italian bike? I rode a century in the Fall. In the parking lot at the start I was pumping the tires on my Rambouillet and a teenager, 14-16, comes over and says that his father had sent him over to see what bikes looked like when he (the father) was a kid. My favorite line in this genre, however, was not about the Rambouillet but concerned my commuter bike, a tout terrain I got from Peter White. It is equipped with a Rohloff hub. Noting the lack of derailliers, several colleagues have asked why I can't afford a modern bike. I just don't have the energy to try to explain things to these guys so I mumble something about retro being in style and shift the conversation to the hurricane season. GeorgeS On Apr 26, 7:45 pm, Bruce fullylug...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, I get that sometimes too, although mostly the approving comments about how great it looks and wistful, I bet it's comfortable on these rough roads too. The leather helmet was known as a hair net in the day, iirc. From: k5osx k5o...@gmail.com It is great to see an ancient bike being ridden in this rally... Is it Italian? Perhaps I should start dressing the part in knickers and a seer sucker shirt, with a leather hairnet. ;) robert --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en -~--~~~~--~~--~--~---
