Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[ted]

Is the novara buz one available new today? Looked to me like only multi speeds 
on the rei site.

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[ted]

Fair enough, but is the novara buzz one currently in production? Looked like 
just multi speed on the rei site.

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Bill Lindsay]

Novarra  Buzz!  Yes, I'm satisfied.  There is at least one

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 12:20:03 PM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> Pardon my interrupted message earlier.
>
> Bill asked if there was any "good" production bike that was single speed 
> only, forward facing dropouts, and not a beach cruiser.
>
> Good is a debatable concept, but I will submit my old Novara Buzz as 
> exhibit one:
>
>
> https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/bike-66-intro-rei-novara-buzz-one.html
>
> No derailer hanger, 120mm spacing, and forward facing dropouts.
>
> For something that cost $200, half off of the original list of $400, it 
> was a good enough bike that I quite enjoyed riding.
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Eric Daume  > wrote:
>
>> Bill asked if there was any "good" production bike that was single speed 
>> only, forward facing dropouts, and not a beach cruiser.
>>
>> Good is a debatable concept, but I will submit my old Novara Buzz as 
>> exhibit one:
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay > > wrote:
>>
>>> Is there any "good" production bicycle available on planet Earth that is:
>>>
>>> 1.  Designed specifically to be a single speed
>>> 2.  Designed with forward facing rear dropouts
>>>
>>> The only bikes I know of that are designed to be single speed and 
>>> designed with forward facing rear dropouts are beach cruisers.  Are there 
>>> any 'good' bikes designed that way?
>>>
>>> I approve of Deacon Patrick's general plan to trust Riv and trust 
>>> Nobilette.  I also approve of DP's specific plan to run QB-style track 
>>> ends.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:

 My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges 
 from a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably 
 howling anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the 
 KM, it's sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern 
 on the Hunq.


 Eric

 On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Philip Williamson <
 philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, 
> then there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track 
> ends (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear 
> facing track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

Pardon my interrupted message earlier.

Bill asked if there was any "good" production bike that was single speed
only, forward facing dropouts, and not a beach cruiser.

Good is a debatable concept, but I will submit my old Novara Buzz as
exhibit one:

https://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/07/bike-66-intro-rei-novara-buzz-one.html

No derailer hanger, 120mm spacing, and forward facing dropouts.

For something that cost $200, half off of the original list of $400, it was
a good enough bike that I quite enjoyed riding.

Eric


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 3:18 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> Bill asked if there was any "good" production bike that was single speed
> only, forward facing dropouts, and not a beach cruiser.
>
> Good is a debatable concept, but I will submit my old Novara Buzz as
> exhibit one:
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> Is there any "good" production bicycle available on planet Earth that is:
>>
>> 1.  Designed specifically to be a single speed
>> 2.  Designed with forward facing rear dropouts
>>
>> The only bikes I know of that are designed to be single speed and
>> designed with forward facing rear dropouts are beach cruisers.  Are there
>> any 'good' bikes designed that way?
>>
>> I approve of Deacon Patrick's general plan to trust Riv and trust
>> Nobilette.  I also approve of DP's specific plan to run QB-style track
>> ends.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>>> My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges
>>> from a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably
>>> howling anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the
>>> KM, it's sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern
>>> on the Hunq.
>>>
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Philip Williamson <
>>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily,
 then there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track
 ends (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear
 facing track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.

 Philip
 Santa Rosa, CA

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

Bill asked if there was any "good" production bike that was single speed
only, forward facing dropouts, and not a beach cruiser.

Good is a debatable concept, but I will submit my old Novara Buzz as
exhibit one:


On Thu, Dec 14, 2017 at 1:15 PM, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Is there any "good" production bicycle available on planet Earth that is:
>
> 1.  Designed specifically to be a single speed
> 2.  Designed with forward facing rear dropouts
>
> The only bikes I know of that are designed to be single speed and designed
> with forward facing rear dropouts are beach cruisers.  Are there any 'good'
> bikes designed that way?
>
> I approve of Deacon Patrick's general plan to trust Riv and trust
> Nobilette.  I also approve of DP's specific plan to run QB-style track
> ends.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>> My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges
>> from a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably
>> howling anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the
>> KM, it's sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern
>> on the Hunq.
>>
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Philip Williamson <
>> philip.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily,
>>> then there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track
>>> ends (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear
>>> facing track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
>>>
>>> Philip
>>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Justin, Fixed lifestyle? Ha. I’ve no idea what that means. Naught ‘bout me 
lifestyle is changing because me dropouts are rotating 90ish˚. Double grin. The 
shift is entirely selfish, given the benifits to my brain and body. I jest, but 
I think I know what you mean, taking “lifestyle” to be “riding style.” And 
there is a definate difference in style of riding, though in my experience so 
far no particularly significant (to anyone but a racer) difference in time for 
each ride. I suspect I am faster climbing (smoother ride increases traction and 
less having to compensate for deceleration of a freewheel. I also suspect the 
speed difference is small, but of course on a 10 mile climb/descent, 2/3 to 3/4 
of riding time will be on the climb. I know I ride slower down hill, but again 
that has minimal impact on average speed, because dropping from a 30mph average 
to a 25mph average is negligable to anyone but a racer, especially given the 
gains climbing.

Numbers from the Tour de France bear this out. I read somewhere on the 
interwebs (so you know it’s true) that the first year the Tour de France 
allowed freewheels (singlespeed) in addition to fixed the average speed jumped 
a whopping 0.3 or 0.4 mph (or close to that) over the entire 1,500 whatever 
miles of the race. For me, nothing important is lost by losing the freewheel 
and a lot is gained.

I’ve actually considered this jump (to either all ss or fixed) for a number of 
years, but never pulled the trigger because just shifting less on the 
Hunqapillar made it a singlespeed that could shift on the fly. Not the same, 
but close. I didn’t try fixed because I had to try it on a bike I know (even 
handlebars can mess with my brain and I need days to recover, so a whole new 
bike that was fixed? No what to know what was due to what.). So when I did try 
fixed on the Quickbeam, I was ready to jump all in if it worked. It did, and 
here I am. Grin.

Philip, Ha! Aye. Well, I wondered as I confidently rode over miles of slick 
snow on today’s ride if these were conditions that I would have ben far more 
trepedatious in with a freewhell. I make it through 99% of the technical stuff 
that I did on the SS plus I can climb 2% more of the stuff I couldn’t SS, so I 
come out ahead in a way noone cares about. Grin.

Bill, I appreciate the vote of confidence. Grin.  I’d add to that list 
clearence for widish tires of 2.1”. As someone mentioned, I’m getting the 
equivilant of my ideal custom frame for bikepacking and hauling.

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin August]

BMC Monstercross but it’s not specifically SS.

-J

On Dec 14, 2017, 10:15 AM -0800, Bill Lindsay , wrote:
> Is there any "good" production bicycle available on planet Earth that is:
>
> 1.  Designed specifically to be a single speed
> 2.  Designed with forward facing rear dropouts
>
> The only bikes I know of that are designed to be single speed and designed 
> with forward facing rear dropouts are beach cruisers.  Are there any 'good' 
> bikes designed that way?
>
> I approve of Deacon Patrick's general plan to trust Riv and trust Nobilette.  
> I also approve of DP's specific plan to run QB-style track ends.
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
> > My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges from 
> > a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably howling 
> > anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the KM, it's 
> > sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern on the 
> > Hunq.
> >
> >
> > Eric
> >
> > > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Philip Williamson 
> > >  wrote:
> > > > I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, 
> > > > then there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing 
> > > > track ends (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of 
> > > > rear facing track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
> > > >
> > > > Philip
> > > > Santa Rosa, CA
> > > >
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Bill Lindsay]

Is there any "good" production bicycle available on planet Earth that is:

1.  Designed specifically to be a single speed
2.  Designed with forward facing rear dropouts

The only bikes I know of that are designed to be single speed and designed 
with forward facing rear dropouts are beach cruisers.  Are there any 'good' 
bikes designed that way?

I approve of Deacon Patrick's general plan to trust Riv and trust 
Nobilette.  I also approve of DP's specific plan to run QB-style track 
ends.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 2:48:24 AM UTC-8, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges 
> from a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably 
> howling anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the 
> KM, it's sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern 
> on the Hunq.
>
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:37 PM, Philip Williamson  > wrote:
>
>> I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, then 
>> there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track ends 
>> (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear facing 
>> track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
>>
>> Philip
>> Santa Rosa, CA
>>
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin August]

I’m impressed at your commitment to the fixed lifestyle and going all in with 
no derailleur option.

-Justin

On Dec 14, 2017, 9:40 AM -0800, Deacon Patrick , wrote:
> “Resale value to consider.” You lot are FUNNY! Grin.
>
> Talked with Mark Nobilette. Rear facing dropouts are stronger and he’s going 
> to make them longer (old style), so I’m going with them despite the horror it 
> will cause here. Feel free to ruminate among yourselves. Grin.
>
> I’ve never had an issue with the rear facing drop outs of the Quickbeam and 
> found them easy and convienent, both freewheel and fixed (of course there is 
> a learning curve to “shifting” fixed, but that is true no matter the 
> direction of the dropouts). My guess is anyone daft enough to ride fixed on a 
> loaded Hunqabeam will feel the same way. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

“Resale value to consider.” You lot are FUNNY! Grin.

Talked with Mark Nobilette. Rear facing dropouts are stronger and he’s going to 
make them longer (old style), so I’m going with them despite the horror it will 
cause here. Feel free to ruminate among yourselves. Grin.

I’ve never had an issue with the rear facing drop outs of the Quickbeam and 
found them easy and convienent, both freewheel and fixed (of course there is a 
learning curve to “shifting” fixed, but that is true no matter the direction of 
the dropouts). My guess is anyone daft enough to ride fixed on a loaded 
Hunqabeam will feel the same way. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

My Karate Monkey has rear facing track ends. Changing the wheel ranges from
a hassle (single speed) to very frustrating (geared) to probably howling
anger (gears + fenders, though I've never used this setup). On the KM, it's
sort of worthwhile for the short chainstays. That's not a concern on the
Hunq.


Eric

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philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, then
> there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track ends
> (my bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear facing
> track ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin August]

Can you/could you/should you try to put something like paragon sliders or 
rockers there?

-J

On Dec 13, 2017, 8:37 PM -0800, Philip Williamson 
, wrote:
> I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, then 
> there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track ends (my 
> bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear facing track 
> ends with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Philip Williamson]

I can see that if the stays allow the room to exit fat tires easily, then 
there’s no downside to front facing dropouts over rear facing track ends (my 
bike does not, so I’m biased). What are the downsides of rear facing track ends 
with fat tires? I’ve never encountered any. 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

If it’s a 62cm getting the new Frank Jones Sr. rear facing hooded track outs 
I’ll happily take it off of Patrick’s hands should he ever have a change of 
heart... but I’m getting the impression that’s going to be highly unlikely.

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Joe Bernard]

There's also resale to consider. Selling a Hunqapillar with rear-facing track 
ends is going to be nigh on impossible if that time ever comes. 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

Forward facing dropouts as Patrick M suggests are much, much easier to use
than rear facing. This is doubly true if you keep a derailer hanger on
there in case you want to have gears at some point. This is definitely
something the builder should get your input on.

For a bike with long chainstays like the Hunq, there are zero downsides to
forward facing dropouts, and several to rear facing.

Eric

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> Ha! Nae. Plenty of brazons as is. I’m steppin’ out the way and let the
> experts determine the details. Grin.
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

And the Hunqabeast shall ride again! I hope your getting the updated Frank 
Jones track ends too... I think your creating a dream custom right there. Enjoy!

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Ian A]

My 2 cents...

Request a repaint of the affected area from Mark after the drop outs are 
replaced. That way it is ready to ride the day it comes back. A tastefully 
contrasting paint means the rest of the frame and fork can be left alone 
and costs significantly less.

IanA/Canada)

(at today's exchange rate my C$.002 is around US$.0016)


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> No idea. We’ll see when the frame comes back what it needs. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

No idea. We’ll see when the frame comes back what it needs.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Irreguleur]

Deacon-
What color, if any, are you repainting? Whole bike or just ends?

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Ha! Nae. Plenty of brazons as is. I’m steppin’ out the way and let the experts 
determine the details. Grin.

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Patrick Moore]

Speaking of altering Rivendell models, I know of someone who, after an
accident that damaged frame or fork, had disc mounts brazed on to the
Atlantis and then had it repainted in Atlantis colors. Best of both worlds!

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Update: working with Grant, who connected me to Mark Nobilette (who is 
realitively nearby me), Mark will replace the dropouts to Quickbeam style. This 
has multiple advantages, including no need to carry/swap a chain but get two 
gear options that work for loaded riding fixed. Looks like a March time frame 
for when the Quickapillar Hunqabeam will ride again! Thank you for spitballing 
with me! It has been a big help.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

My current plan is to go as simple as possible. One gear. One gear only.  38x20 
which is 52.5” and see how I do with that. I know I do fine hauling a 200# 
trailer on 6% climbs on asphalt with it, not sure how I do hauling 50# of 
gear/food/water in panniers on single track at altitude. Grin.

However, today I rode my Quickbeam in 68” gear up to Rampart Reservoir and did 
just fine. I had to LCG an 1/8th of a mile twice near the top, but I was going 
walking speed or slower anyway so nothing lost. But that’s not a loaded 
bikepacking rig and it’s not single track. I’m gonna have some learnin’ to do 
next year! Grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: what did you decide for the gearing, to achieve a 30" and a 60"
(roughly) gear?

I thought of one of the 2 speed kickback hubs, but you were looking for a
200% jump, and these have only ~137%.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Patrick of the Moore ... yes. That reverse adjustment from fixed to free
> is what has me anticipating switching the Hunqapiller if fixed is the bees
> knees.
> Coal Bee: Aye, I will wear me boiled wool knee socks and we’ll find out if
> they are spikey pedal proof as well as pit bull proof. Sardonic grin.
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Patrick of the Moore ... yes. That reverse adjustment from fixed to free is 
what has me anticipating switching the Hunqapiller if fixed is the bees knees.
Coal Bee: Aye, I will wear me boiled wool knee socks and we’ll find out if they 
are spikey pedal proof as well as pit bull proof. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Patrick Moore]

There's the opposite adjustment, too: I've found that after a great deal of
fixed riding, and getting back on a freewheel bike, that it takes a few
hundred yards to get used again to actively moving your feet over crank top
dead center; until you re-adjust, you, or at least I, tend to pedal in
squares, jerkily. But adjustment either way, once you're used to both fw
and fixed, is not a big deal, IME.

On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:36 PM, Coal Bee Rye Anne <
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> 
>  even poser fixed riding doesn't truly prepare you for those first few
> moments where your body just expects to coast out of habit and you are
> quickly reminded that you can't.
>
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

Joe,
the dinglespeed Cheviot sounds terrific and happy to see you are 
reconsidering trying singlespeeding even with a big hill to climb.  I have 
to keep fighting the urge to give this kind treatment to my Clem H since 
it's currently my only derailer equipped multispeed bike and I honestly 
don't even get enough riding in to justify my multiple bikes at the moment.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 4:17:02 AM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:

> Well now y'all got me thinking (this will be a slight thread diversion). 
> I'm not quite ready for fixed, but Will @ Riv is big on 2-speeds on 
> vertical dropouts with a chain tensioner. My soon to be here Cheviot was 
> going to get the electric treatment, but I've decided to do a different 
> bike next summer for that and focus on full-exercise riding this winter 
> (I'm WAY outta shape). I already have enough all-the-gears bikes, so I 
> think a nice, light, 2-speed candy apple red Cheviot would be really sweet: 
> One cog in the back, one big ring up front for going down my hill, one 
> small for riding back home. I already have the Silver 38-24 cranks and 650B 
> wheels from my Clem L; I just need a single cog, Gear Clamps and Paul 
> Melvin tensioner and I'm good to go. 
>
> Thanks for the idea, Patrick! It's not exactly what you're doing, but it's 
> a similar thought that will work on my terrain while keeping the frame 
> uncluttered and simple looking, a vibe I've always admired. I can't wait!
>

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

Looks like Soma makes a 23t fixed cog, so this totally is do-able, you'd 
just have to rotafix it onto the freewheel side - could add a BB lockring 
for fun.


On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 9:18:23 PM UTC-6, David B wrote:
>
> Didn’t realize they made 23t freewheels. If you’re up for a freewheel 
> gear, in the general range would be 34/15 fixed and 26/23 freewheel. 
> Theoretically the chain length would be the same. But still, not a fixed 
> gear for the bailout. 
> David 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

I managed to successfully convert an old Atom 6sp 14-28 freewheel to a 
15/17 dingle freewheel on an old 12 speed frame to make a poor man's 
Quickbeam.  The 15t sits flush with the outer edge of the freewheel body 
and on a 126mm spaced hub the chainline worked out to pretty much match the 
47.5 of a 32t middle ring of an MTB crank. I needed a half-link, 
however, to get the chain length just right and the LBS only had halves for 
1/8" bmx chains. Rather than special order a single half link I just got a 
new bmx chain that came with a half-link and master link and it luckily 
worked out fine.  I recently tried adding back the 14t to make it a "3 
speed" and increase the high gear a little but that spacing wasn't as 
cooperative so its staying a dingle instead of tringle for now.

Was a fun project and my first threaded freewheel disassembly. 

The 3rd position 20t (or was it 21t?) cog would probably work better with 
42mm chainline and may get tested out if these cranks happen to find their 
way onto another build.

https://www.instagram.com/p/BU77xbhBDfG/?taken-by=sirpsycole 

Deacon Patrick, I think you'll enjoy riding fixed.  It's quite an 
experience.  I'm a recent convert myself and still a novice with only 
a year or two of occasional fixed riding but even poser fixed riding 
doesn't truly prepare you for those first few moments where your body just 
expects to coast out of habit and you are quickly reminded that you can't.

Brian Cole
Lawrenceville, NJ

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 8:40:48 PM UTC-5, David B wrote:

> That’s what I was thinking. Dismantle a multi speed freewheel and make a 
> single cog freewheel with a large cog. Could likely figure gearing without 
> having to mess with chain length. 
> David 
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote: 
> > I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in 
> the other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard? 
> > 
> > 
> > -J 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Ryan Fleming]

o* I think a nice, light, 2-speed candy apple red Cheviot would be really 
sweet:*


*I think so , too Joe. I can't wait to see it...Ryan in Winnipeg*
On Wednesday, November 29, 2017 at 3:17:02 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Well now y'all got me thinking (this will be a slight thread diversion). 
> I'm not quite ready for fixed, but Will @ Riv is big on 2-speeds on 
> vertical dropouts with a chain tensioner. My soon to be here Cheviot was 
> going to get the electric treatment, but I've decided to do a different 
> bike next summer for that and focus on full-exercise riding this winter 
> (I'm WAY outta shape). I already have enough all-the-gears bikes, so I 
> think a nice, light, 2-speed candy apple red Cheviot would be really sweet: 
> One cog in the back, one big ring up front for going down my hill, one 
> small for riding back home. I already have the Silver 38-24 cranks and 650B 
> wheels from my Clem L; I just need a single cog, Gear Clamps and Paul 
> Melvin tensioner and I'm good to go. 
>
> Thanks for the idea, Patrick! It's not exactly what you're doing, but it's 
> a similar thought that will work on my terrain while keeping the frame 
> uncluttered and simple looking, a vibe I've always admired. I can't wait!
>

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Joe Bernard]

Well now y'all got me thinking (this will be a slight thread diversion). I'm 
not quite ready for fixed, but Will @ Riv is big on 2-speeds on vertical 
dropouts with a chain tensioner. My soon to be here Cheviot was going to get 
the electric treatment, but I've decided to do a different bike next summer for 
that and focus on full-exercise riding this winter (I'm WAY outta shape). I 
already have enough all-the-gears bikes, so I think a nice, light, 2-speed 
candy apple red Cheviot would be really sweet: One cog in the back, one big 
ring up front for going down my hill, one small for riding back home. I already 
have the Silver 38-24 cranks and 650B wheels from my Clem L; I just need a 
single cog, Gear Clamps and Paul Melvin tensioner and I'm good to go. 

Thanks for the idea, Patrick! It's not exactly what you're doing, but it's a 
similar thought that will work on my terrain while keeping the frame 
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

Didn’t realize they made 23t freewheels. If you’re up for a freewheel gear, in 
the general range would be 34/15 fixed and 26/23 freewheel. 
Theoretically the chain length would be the same. But still, not a fixed gear 
for the bailout. 
David 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin August]

Just get a White industries. I think they sell huge free wheels.

-J

On Nov 28, 2017, 5:40 PM -0800, David B , wrote:
> That’s what I was thinking. Dismantle a multi speed freewheel and make a 
> single cog freewheel with a large cog. Could likely figure gearing without 
> having to mess with chain length.
> David
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 28, 2017 at 6:34:34 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
> > I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
> > other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?
> >
> >
> > -J
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

That’s what I was thinking. Dismantle a multi speed freewheel and make a single 
cog freewheel with a large cog. Could likely figure gearing without having to 
mess with chain length. 
David 



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> I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
> other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?
> 
> 
> -J

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Justin, Oakland]

I wonder if it makes more sense to have the 30” gear as a freewheel in the 
other side. If you’re going to bail why not bail hard?


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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Max S]

Also, re. finding oddball cog combos, reusing cassette sprockets may be the 
best way, provided the hub has a splined body that’s fixed. King I believe has 
its own version, but also there used to be a replacement freehub body that 
didn’t ratchet. I can’t seem to locate an example on the web, but remember 
seeing it at some point. If that were in existence / procured, might not even 
need to get a different wheel! 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Great point, Eric. The idea would be to ride the 60” gear as my “always” gear, 
with the 30” as a bailout to make me more comfortable trying fixed bikepacking. 
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if I get out there and delight to find I ride 
95% of the ridable stuff on 60”, so no need for a bail out gear. Grin.

Part of what I need to learn is does riding fixed make it easier to gear up vs. 
SS, even on sustained climbs because of the fly wheel effect pushing the pedals 
through the “dead zone”?

With abandon,
Patrick 

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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

Trying to break a chain via master link out in the field when it’s cold and
dirty seems like a recipe for frustration.  If you’re using the older hub,
with screw on cog, it would be a lot easier to run a double cog and two
rings up front.

Eric

On Tuesday, November 28, 2017, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> After my grocery run with the trailer yesterday in poser fixed mode, I am
> leaning to a simple, wider gear system that would give me aprox 30” and 60”
> fixed gears. One cog, and swap chains to shift, which would be rare, and
> likely only when I’m bikepacking. That opens up the White Industries new
> cog system as I’d use a single cog. Anyone see any issues with that?
>
> With abadnon,
> Patrick
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Re: [RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Eric Daume]

The BMC has long dropouts, kind of like the QB, but forward facing. You
just slide the wheel back and forth to tension the chain. On my BMC, I can
make up a 4-5 tooth difference by doing this.

I second David's suggestion. The BMC is a great bike.

On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:51 PM, Deacon Patrick  wrote:

> Great looking bike, David! In essence, that’s what I’ll have with the
> Quickbeam, though not the wider tires. Without two chainrings, how do you
> tension the chain when switching cogs?
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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

Great looking bike, David! In essence, that’s what I’ll have with the 
Quickbeam, though not the wider tires. Without two chainrings, how do you 
tension the chain when switching cogs?

With abandon,
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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[David B]

I know this likely isn’t the answer, but I think what you’re suggesting is a 
Black Mountain Monstercross. 
Here’s mine with WI Dos and Surly dingle cog, and Albastaches too: 
https://instagram.com/p/Bb-vYYWBbqA/


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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

I am, Edwin. The question I’m looking forward to is should I love fixed as much 
as I think I will, how do I get the Hunqapillar fixed. I may try lightish 
bikepacking with the Quickbeam, but it doesn’t cary the load of the Hunqapillar.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Edwin W]

Why not just “fix” the Quickbeam?

Edwin

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

I wondered about that, Bill. From the Eno Hub page, right column: “fixed lock 
ring thread” — I presumed “thread” means thread, but it may not.
https://www.whiteind.com/eno. Of course, my fall back would be to go with a 
single gear fixed, possibly with a free wheel flip flop for long descents.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Bill Lindsay]

I think there may be a deal-killer in there. I think White Industries does not 
make an Eccentric ENO variant for a traditional thread on fixed cog with 
lockring. If that’s the case, then you can’t run a dingle with a lockring. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, Ca. 

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Max S]

Fixed doesn’t work well with tensioners. ENO hub is your best bet, if you 
minimize other modifications. Or find a “magic gear”.

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[RBW] Spitballing: Hunqabeam fixed conversion ideas

[Deacon Patrick]

I’ve been riding my Quickbeam in Poser Fixed mode (keeping the forward 
chain/pedal “engaged” at all times) for medium length sections throughout my 
various recent rides and I’ve learned a lot, including that having the chain 
always engaged, even just in on directly, feels much, much better on my brain 
and makes all aspects of riding easier. So, naturally, I’m getting ahead of 
myself puzzling how I might create a fixed Hunqabeam. Here are questions, 
thoughts and I toss them out to you all as you have a higher bike IQ than I do.

— Vertical dropouts necessitate a chain tensioner or eccentric hub.
— Can fixed work with a chain tensioner? One pulley, or two pulley?

White Industries Eno Eccentric hub
Surly Dingle Cog: 17/21
Chainrings: 28/32
Yield: High gear of 52”, low of 36”, same tooth count
52” would be my standard gear. A bit low for descents, but the Hunqapillar is 
going to be loaded and so I don’t bomb descents when loaded. Then for 
bikepacking, shift down to 36” gear. Will this work? Benefit: no chain 
tensioner required, simpler, but not the same range as is possible with a 20t 
chain tensioner.

Other ideas for accomplishing the same thing? (I’ve ruled out Sturmey-Archer’s 
3-speed fixed hub for the pedal play it has, as well as the gear noise, either 
of which would drive me nuts.)

With abandon,
Patrick

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