Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-08 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Great story Leah,

One thing you might tell your friend is that there is a best bike for the
task at hand.  Don't ride a race bike unless you are racing or need to race
at your peak to keep up with the people you want to ride with.  Get another
bike that is comfortable, suitable to carry things on a rack and fendered
with a kickstand(!) for those other rides when racing is not needed.

I am more roadie than casual, and wear my clickety-clacks (road cleats on
one bike, recessed MTB cleats on the others) because I believe that they
will help me achieve what I want on the bike, but I am fortunate enough to
have the finances and space for multiple bikes.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-08 Thread Patrick Moore
"How!" in the old, stereotyped Indian greeting.

Patrick Moore, who is old enough to remember watching b cowboy and Indian
movies at friends' houses (and who is trying to decide right at this moment
between going for a ride on 559 X 28 mm tires or 700C X 61 mm tires ...)

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> Why that autocorrected to “How Patrick” I don’t know, it was supposed to
> be “Hi Patrick!” 
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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-08 Thread Surlyprof
It may not have been a bike theft but rather an intervention.  Fun story and I 
hope that your friend seeks your advice when spending her insurance money.  
That may make for a happy ending after all.

John

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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-08 Thread phil k
Yes, there is this prescribed notion you have to wear one or the other. I 
wear from road riding clothes where it makes sense to me (lighter helmet, 
sunglasses, gloves, bright colored windbreakers/rain jacket), and wear 
"comfy" clothes where it makes sense (wool tee shirts, wool pants, 
waterproof hiking shoes, tennis shoes, etc).

I think it's because most of my riding is commuting and recreational, so I 
make a lot of stops, but I also ride for long periods and for long 
distances each outing.

On Friday, June 8, 2018 at 1:18:44 AM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:
>
> How Patrick, 
>
> Well, I *did *warn you to use discretion in reading this account. And 
> while I did poke fun, the point wasn’t to laugh about people riding what 
> they want. It is to illustrate (using humor) how the culture has taken the 
> simplicity of a bike ride and sucked every drop of enjoyment out of it. The 
> special shoes and special clothes and special bike all worked together to 
> make the couple’s experience rather miserable. They will never admit this. 
> Burdened time and time again by their racing-inspired bikes and kit, they, 
> in saving their grams, knew best. And when Christine orders her new bike, 
> it will be another racing bike, because the industry told her it’s the best 
> and she will believe that. Even when her “undercarriage” is flaming from 
> spending miles in her skimpy saddle. Even when she’s tipped over on the 
> street, trapped in her pedals. Even when she doesn’t feel she can go to the 
> museum without a costume change. Even when Dan (an ortho doc) must be 
> hunched over portaging his backpack because a rack would add precious grams 
> to his race bike, they will still believe. 
>
> That is why this is so interesting and even amusing. Even when presented 
> with stark evidence that racing gear is not meant for the majority of 
> riders, people will still insist it’s the standard. This vignette was just 
> a plucky little reference to that. 
>
> But yes, I hear you. I’m a believer in freedom and riding what you want. I 
> just wish people would ignore racing’s influence and ride what MAKES SENSE. 
> Maybe we’d have more people on bikes if that were the case. What a win that 
> would be!
>
> Enjoy your bike and keep on riding! You are an example to us!
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Patrick Moore > 
> wrote:
>
> A good story. But every story needs a counter story. Mine is attached as a 
> jpeg.
>
> I've owned 3 Riv Road customs and 5 Rivendells -- Sam and Ram as well as 
> the customs. I have to say that the one pictured (1999) is the most 
> comfortable bike I've owned in a long life of buying and flipping bikes; if 
> someone held a gun to my head and said: "Choose One!", I'd have to choose 
> this one.
>
> Note that I ride it in Rapha touring shorts over boxers, when I'm not 
> riding it in cut off khakis over boxers; no gloves or helment, and in SPDs 
> (7410s). I have an almost-identical one built up with dyno lights, fenders 
> (high desert!), and f and r racks for groceries and errands.
>
> More seriously, I think everyone should ride what he or she likes to ride. 
> I do know that we are all influenced in our views of "normal" by what we 
> grew up with; that itself is normal. I got "serious" about cycling about 
> 1969, age 14 -- perhaps earlier, because I was "hot rodding" my bikes at 12 
> and 13 -- and built my first bike from scratch in 1970 (Indian roadster 
> frame bought at a Nairobi bike shop; donated 700C Czecho steel flip flop 
> rear, 24" front stolen from my brother's kiddie bike -- no brake fit. I 
> recall, on home leaves, annoying the owners of Genevan and Parisian news 
> kiosks by my halting French attempts to identify which cycling sportif mag 
> I wanted from the vast displays. I also recall scouring the slim selection 
> of cycling books in the Nairobi public library.
>
> Let's not be too quick to laugh at others; in my own case, I know I have 
> plenty to laugh at in myself.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! <
> jonasa...@gmail.com > wrote:
>
>> I just got off the phone with my sister. She accompanied a married couple 
>> who are dear friends from out east to Duluth, MN where they hit the bike 
>> trails and saw all the sights. Heather knows very little about Rivendell, 
>> but is tolerant of my enthusiasm for all things Grant and Co. When she told 
>> me this story we laughed until our sides hurt and I knew I had to retell it 
>> to a sympathetic audience. Now, here is the DISCLAIMER: Some of you like 
>> racy, skinny, lightweight bikes. Some of you appreciate the roadie life. 
>> Some of you are partial to drop bars and clipless pedals. And that’s 
>> lovely, and we are among friends here, but I’m about to poke fun of all 
>> those things. I don’t mean to offend, but I do so love to laugh, so I hope 
>> you will forgive me for being offensive this one time, and just giggle with 
>> me for a bit. If you are 

Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Joe Bernard
Leah, your humor reflected a real thing that Grant built an entire bike company 
and riding style out of. I took it as intended, and really love your writing. 
For example:
 
"It was the first morning, and the plan was to hit the bike trails early and 
see some historic sights in the city. Heather dressed in a breezy, colorful, 
summery outfit, and bounded downstairs to the lobby."

>From this I had the geography and time of day sorted, and could clearly see 
>Heather in my mind "bounding" downstairs. That's good stuff!

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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
Why that autocorrected to “How Patrick” I don’t know, it was supposed to be “Hi 
Patrick!” 

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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Leah Peterson
How Patrick, 

Well, I did warn you to use discretion in reading this account. And while I did 
poke fun, the point wasn’t to laugh about people riding what they want. It is 
to illustrate (using humor) how the culture has taken the simplicity of a bike 
ride and sucked every drop of enjoyment out of it. The special shoes and 
special clothes and special bike all worked together to make the couple’s 
experience rather miserable. They will never admit this. Burdened time and time 
again by their racing-inspired bikes and kit, they, in saving their grams, knew 
best. And when Christine orders her new bike, it will be another racing bike, 
because the industry told her it’s the best and she will believe that. Even 
when her “undercarriage” is flaming from spending miles in her skimpy saddle. 
Even when she’s tipped over on the street, trapped in her pedals. Even when she 
doesn’t feel she can go to the museum without a costume change. Even when Dan 
(an ortho doc) must be hunched over portaging his backpack because a rack would 
add precious grams to his race bike, they will still believe. 

That is why this is so interesting and even amusing. Even when presented with 
stark evidence that racing gear is not meant for the majority of riders, people 
will still insist it’s the standard. This vignette was just a plucky little 
reference to that. 

But yes, I hear you. I’m a believer in freedom and riding what you want. I just 
wish people would ignore racing’s influence and ride what MAKES SENSE. Maybe 
we’d have more people on bikes if that were the case. What a win that would be!

Enjoy your bike and keep on riding! You are an example to us!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 7, 2018, at 8:42 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:
> 
> A good story. But every story needs a counter story. Mine is attached as a 
> jpeg.
> 
> I've owned 3 Riv Road customs and 5 Rivendells -- Sam and Ram as well as the 
> customs. I have to say that the one pictured (1999) is the most comfortable 
> bike I've owned in a long life of buying and flipping bikes; if someone held 
> a gun to my head and said: "Choose One!", I'd have to choose this one.
> 
> Note that I ride it in Rapha touring shorts over boxers, when I'm not riding 
> it in cut off khakis over boxers; no gloves or helment, and in SPDs (7410s). 
> I have an almost-identical one built up with dyno lights, fenders (high 
> desert!), and f and r racks for groceries and errands.
> 
> More seriously, I think everyone should ride what he or she likes to ride. I 
> do know that we are all influenced in our views of "normal" by what we grew 
> up with; that itself is normal. I got "serious" about cycling about 1969, age 
> 14 -- perhaps earlier, because I was "hot rodding" my bikes at 12 and 13 -- 
> and built my first bike from scratch in 1970 (Indian roadster frame bought at 
> a Nairobi bike shop; donated 700C Czecho steel flip flop rear, 24" front 
> stolen from my brother's kiddie bike -- no brake fit. I recall, on home 
> leaves, annoying the owners of Genevan and Parisian news kiosks by my halting 
> French attempts to identify which cycling sportif mag I wanted from the vast 
> displays. I also recall scouring the slim selection of cycling books in the 
> Nairobi public library.
> 
> Let's not be too quick to laugh at others; in my own case, I know I have 
> plenty to laugh at in myself.
> 
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 8:04 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
>>  wrote:
>> I just got off the phone with my sister. She accompanied a married couple 
>> who are dear friends from out east to Duluth, MN where they hit the bike 
>> trails and saw all the sights. Heather knows very little about Rivendell, 
>> but is tolerant of my enthusiasm for all things Grant and Co. When she told 
>> me this story we laughed until our sides hurt and I knew I had to retell it 
>> to a sympathetic audience. Now, here is the DISCLAIMER: Some of you like 
>> racy, skinny, lightweight bikes. Some of you appreciate the roadie life. 
>> Some of you are partial to drop bars and clipless pedals. And that’s lovely, 
>> and we are among friends here, but I’m about to poke fun of all those 
>> things. I don’t mean to offend, but I do so love to laugh, so I hope you 
>> will forgive me for being offensive this one time, and just giggle with me 
>> for a bit. If you are feeling gracious, and you like a little satire in your 
>> life, please do read on! If not, stop HERE...
>> 
>> It was the first morning, and the plan was to hit the bike trails early and 
>> see some historic sights in the city. Heather dressed in a breezy, colorful, 
>> summery outfit, and bounded downstairs to the lobby. Christine and Dan 
>> arrived, looked at Heather, disbelieving and said, “Is that what you’re 
>> wearing?!” Heather looked back at them, eyes roving over their unusual 
>> outfits. They were covered in colorful, skin-tight lycra. They donned shorts 
>> that were oddly padded and somewhat profane, as their crotches were 
>> accentuated 

[RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Joe Bernard
The description of first seeing the shorts is..well..I can't bring myself to 
quote it, but this was spectacular! You're good at the story-telling thing, 
Leah :-)

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Re: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Andrew Letton
Most excellent story! (Except for the bike theft, of course...)Cheers from 
Oz,Andrew

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 Sent: Friday, June 8, 2018 12:04 PM
 Subject: [RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire
   
I just got off the phone with my sister. She accompanied a married couple who 
are dear friends from out east to Duluth, MN where they hit the bike trails and 
saw all the sights. Heather knows very little about Rivendell, but is tolerant 
of my enthusiasm for all things Grant and Co. When she told me this story we 
laughed until our sides hurt and I knew I had to retell it to a sympathetic 
audience. Now, here is the DISCLAIMER: Some of you like racy, skinny, 
lightweight bikes. Some of you appreciate the roadie life. Some of you are 
partial to drop bars and clipless pedals. And that’s lovely, and we are among 
friends here, but I’m about to poke fun of all those things. I don’t mean to 
offend, but I do so love to laugh, so I hope you will forgive me for being 
offensive this one time, and just giggle with me for a bit. If you are feeling 
gracious, and you like a little satire in your life, please do read on! If not, 
stop HERE...

It was the first morning, and the plan was to hit the bike trails early and see 
some historic sights in the city. Heather dressed in a breezy, colorful, 
summery outfit, and bounded downstairs to the lobby. Christine and Dan arrived, 
looked at Heather, disbelieving and said, “Is that what you’re wearing?!” 
Heather looked back at them, eyes roving over their unusual outfits. They were 
covered in colorful, skin-tight lycra. They donned shorts that were oddly 
padded and somewhat profane, as their crotches were accentuated and bulging. 
Their shoes were weird, and made sharp clicks on the tile with every step. “Is 
that what YOU’RE wearing?!” Heather gasped. 

Ah, but they are good friends, so everyone shrugged and headed out the door. 
They made their way to their bikes, where they were about to have their next 
mutual shock. Heather has a lovely red Biria, bedecked with racks and a basket 
and capped with a nice, wide saddle. Hers are romantic, swept-back handlebars, 
and her tires are smartly covered with fenders. She has chosen this bike 
because she has commuted downtown for years in several cities and these 
attributes of the bike are the ones that make sense to her. She has never read 
Grant’s book. She doesn’t care about online forums or bike literature. She 
arrived at these conclusions because she knows that they work. Thus, when she 
looked over at her friends’ carbon racing machines, she couldn’t help but gawk. 
Dan’s bike is a 20 year old carbon machine, and Christine’s carbon bike was 
purchased in October. No fenders. No racks (Dan had a giant backpack he was 
carrying like a pack mule, and the day was a sweltering one.). Christine and 
Dan mounted their bikes and suddenly their feet were glued to their pedals. 
What fresh horror was this? My sister kept staring at this couple struggling to 
release their feet from these traps at every intersection and stop. Christine 
was less skilled at this, and at one of their stops she tipped over, padded 
shorts and all. “Why do you use those?” Heather asked incredulously, pointing 
to the pedals. “Oh, these REALLY help with efficiency,” explained Dan, as 
Christine scraped herself off the pavement. 

They reached their first destination. There was a lovely waterfall to 
appreciate, so they dismounted and made their way to it. Clickety-clack, 
clickety-clack went the Efficiency Shoes on the boardwalk. The rest of the 
afternoon was much like that, and 25 miles later, so ended the first day.

The next morning found the couple dithering about what to wear. They were going 
out for a nice lunch and to visit a local museum, and the couple was in a 
quandary about their clothes. They were biking so they needed “bike clothes.” 
But they were also planning to do fun, touristy things, so they needed “normal 
clothes.”  They didn’t want to wear the clickety-clacks, but their pedals 
called for it.  “I don’t know if I can ride my bike without my padded shorts,” 
said Christine. They compromised. They put on normal clothing with their 
clickety-clacks. Then they stuffed extra shoes into Dan’s large backpack. They 
pedaled off, crotches on fire, Dan sweating under the weight strapped to his 
back. 

“Why do you have that bike seat if it hurts to ride it?” asked Heather, 
genuinely curious. 

“Oh, well, I probably save 5 grams using this one!” crowed Dan, “And you may 
not think that sounds like much, but a few grams here and a few grams there 
really adds up!” 

They continued on, where their way was impeded by several puddles. Heather 
lifted her legs up and sailed gleefully through the water, outfit intact and 
free of mud. Oddly, she was alone. She looked back and saw her friends, who had 
come almost to a halt, negotiating their way around the puddles. “Do fenders 
add weight too

[RBW] The Most Disappointing Bike: A Satire

2018-06-07 Thread Bicycle Belle Ding Ding!
I just got off the phone with my sister. She accompanied a married couple who 
are dear friends from out east to Duluth, MN where they hit the bike trails and 
saw all the sights. Heather knows very little about Rivendell, but is tolerant 
of my enthusiasm for all things Grant and Co. When she told me this story we 
laughed until our sides hurt and I knew I had to retell it to a sympathetic 
audience. Now, here is the DISCLAIMER: Some of you like racy, skinny, 
lightweight bikes. Some of you appreciate the roadie life. Some of you are 
partial to drop bars and clipless pedals. And that’s lovely, and we are among 
friends here, but I’m about to poke fun of all those things. I don’t mean to 
offend, but I do so love to laugh, so I hope you will forgive me for being 
offensive this one time, and just giggle with me for a bit. If you are feeling 
gracious, and you like a little satire in your life, please do read on! If not, 
stop HERE...

It was the first morning, and the plan was to hit the bike trails early and see 
some historic sights in the city. Heather dressed in a breezy, colorful, 
summery outfit, and bounded downstairs to the lobby. Christine and Dan arrived, 
looked at Heather, disbelieving and said, “Is that what you’re wearing?!” 
Heather looked back at them, eyes roving over their unusual outfits. They were 
covered in colorful, skin-tight lycra. They donned shorts that were oddly 
padded and somewhat profane, as their crotches were accentuated and bulging. 
Their shoes were weird, and made sharp clicks on the tile with every step. “Is 
that what YOU’RE wearing?!” Heather gasped. 

Ah, but they are good friends, so everyone shrugged and headed out the door. 
They made their way to their bikes, where they were about to have their next 
mutual shock. Heather has a lovely red Biria, bedecked with racks and a basket 
and capped with a nice, wide saddle. Hers are romantic, swept-back handlebars, 
and her tires are smartly covered with fenders. She has chosen this bike 
because she has commuted downtown for years in several cities and these 
attributes of the bike are the ones that make sense to her. She has never read 
Grant’s book. She doesn’t care about online forums or bike literature. She 
arrived at these conclusions because she knows that they work. Thus, when she 
looked over at her friends’ carbon racing machines, she couldn’t help but gawk. 
Dan’s bike is a 20 year old carbon machine, and Christine’s carbon bike was 
purchased in October. No fenders. No racks (Dan had a giant backpack he was 
carrying like a pack mule, and the day was a sweltering one.). Christine and 
Dan mounted their bikes and suddenly their feet were glued to their pedals. 
What fresh horror was this? My sister kept staring at this couple struggling to 
release their feet from these traps at every intersection and stop. Christine 
was less skilled at this, and at one of their stops she tipped over, padded 
shorts and all. “Why do you use those?” Heather asked incredulously, pointing 
to the pedals. “Oh, these REALLY help with efficiency,” explained Dan, as 
Christine scraped herself off the pavement. 

They reached their first destination. There was a lovely waterfall to 
appreciate, so they dismounted and made their way to it. Clickety-clack, 
clickety-clack went the Efficiency Shoes on the boardwalk. The rest of the 
afternoon was much like that, and 25 miles later, so ended the first day.

The next morning found the couple dithering about what to wear. They were going 
out for a nice lunch and to visit a local museum, and the couple was in a 
quandary about their clothes. They were biking so they needed “bike clothes.” 
But they were also planning to do fun, touristy things, so they needed “normal 
clothes.”  They didn’t want to wear the clickety-clacks, but their pedals 
called for it.  “I don’t know if I can ride my bike without my padded shorts,” 
said Christine. They compromised. They put on normal clothing with their 
clickety-clacks. Then they stuffed extra shoes into Dan’s large backpack. They 
pedaled off, crotches on fire, Dan sweating under the weight strapped to his 
back. 

“Why do you have that bike seat if it hurts to ride it?” asked Heather, 
genuinely curious. 

“Oh, well, I probably save 5 grams using this one!” crowed Dan, “And you may 
not think that sounds like much, but a few grams here and a few grams there 
really adds up!” 

They continued on, where their way was impeded by several puddles. Heather 
lifted her legs up and sailed gleefully through the water, outfit intact and 
free of mud. Oddly, she was alone. She looked back and saw her friends, who had 
come almost to a halt, negotiating their way around the puddles. “Do fenders 
add weight too?” Heather asked. “Yes,” they said. “And we don’t really ride 
around puddles anyway, so we never need them.” 

After they got to the museum, they locked their bikes up. Broad daylight, to a 
bike rack, they with cable locks and Heather with a U-lock.