[RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread LBleriot
I was in the same situation as the OP with my proto Rom in that the trusty 105 
began to notch after X years.   I've used CK and VO headsets on other builds, 
but I gave the IRD needle bearing one from Riv a try.  It installed very nicely 
and once I cleaned the protective grease off and relubed the bearings, the 
handling improved markedly.  I've never experienced shimmy on any of my bikes, 
front loaded 650'ers and featherweight racers, so I can't comment on the impact 
of the needle bearings, but the IRD works a treat.  PS: you might need an extra 
spacer switching from 105 to the IRD given the slight difference in stack 
height. 

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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread Ryan Fleming
yeah...I was looking and on one site the 2-nut which I have on both Rivs 
and my X0-1 was $145.00. $US. Ouch. Even still, CK has been the most 
trouble-free headset in my experience. I had the Tange Roller Ball on my 
A/R , but I had my local mechanic put in a Chris King. I kept the Roller 
ball and we used it for the X0-1 when the Tange Levin or Falcon (can't 
remember which)  pitted. My dear partner who's a pretty decent mechanic had 
a heck of a time getting the Roller ball to get and keep an adjustment. 
Maybe it just wasn't working for us as I've heard or read from others 
besides Patrick and GP that it's a fine headset. So eventually  the X0-1 
got a CK too We have cannibalized parts from that Roller ball 
 headset...maybe some bits are on my Peugeot. 
 
But CK are the headsets I would swear by and not at. Probably will want 
another one for the Riv mixte I'm contemplating.
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 12:48:05 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Didn't realize CKs have gone up in price as much as they have. I guess 
 that's because I haven't had to buy one in 14 years :-)

 CC make good headsets, I have their A3 models on on my threadless bikes.


 On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:50:41 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

  While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
  Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with 
 lower prices.

 I am a big CK fan.  Cane Creek 110 classic 1 is a very good alternative. 
  As with CK, CC is also MUSA.



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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
Didn't realize CKs have gone up in price as much as they have. I guess 
that's because I haven't had to buy one in 14 years :-)

CC make good headsets, I have their A3 models on on my threadless bikes.


On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 9:50:41 AM UTC-7, Matthew J wrote:

  While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
  Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with 
 lower prices.

 I am a big CK fan.  Cane Creek 110 classic 1 is a very good alternative. 
  As with CK, CC is also MUSA.


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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread Ryan Fleming
Dave makes a really good point. I think CKs are terrific,,,set and forget, 
but the nice IRD roller ball headset that Riv sells is probably about 
$50.00 cheaper
 
http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/hsrd.htm
On Tuesday, May 26, 2015 at 10:55:29 AM UTC-5, Dave Hallerman wrote:

  Price does not equal value, and price does not equal cost.

 While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
 Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with lower 
 prices.

 For instance, I recently removed a threaded Chris King headset from a bike 
 that has about 8000 miles on it, and I had installed that CK headset about 
 16 years ago (!!!) with no maintenance in that period.

 And the CK headset is still smooth and functional, ready to be installed 
 again.

 That's real value, and that's actually a lower cost per mile.

 Dave, who removed this CK headset only because he's doing a total 
 overhaul on this particular Ibis road bike

 On 5/26/15 11:44 AM, Darin G. wrote:
  
 I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop says he 
 can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we switched the 
 bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching a new one. This 
 is the second headset I've had that was worn out by the 3500 mile mark, the 
 other being the original Tange on my Hillborne, and I'm searching for a 
 replacement that will last.  I've considered the CK headsets in the past 
 but they seem mighty expensive and while most reviews are positive there 
 are some reviews suggesting they are not worth the money.  Also considering 
 the IRD needle roller bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would 
 be appreciated!. 

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[RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread Darin G.
I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop says he 
can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we switched the 
bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching a new one. This 
is the second headset I've had that was worn out by the 3500 mile mark, the 
other being the original Tange on my Hillborne, and I'm searching for a 
replacement that will last.  I've considered the CK headsets in the past 
but they seem mighty expensive and while most reviews are positive there 
are some reviews suggesting they are not worth the money.  Also considering 
the IRD needle roller bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would 
be appreciated!.

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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread David Hallerman

Price does not equal value, and price does not equal cost.

While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with 
lower prices.


For instance, I recently removed a threaded Chris King headset from a 
bike that has about 8000 miles on it, and I had installed that CK 
headset about 16 years ago (!!!) with no maintenance in that period.


And the CK headset is still smooth and functional, ready to be installed 
again.


That's real value, and that's actually a lower cost per mile.

Dave, who removed this CK headset only because he's doing a total 
overhaul on this particular Ibis road bike


On 5/26/15 11:44 AM, Darin G. wrote:
I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop 
says he can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we 
switched the bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching 
a new one. This is the second headset I've had that was worn out by 
the 3500 mile mark, the other being the original Tange on my 
Hillborne, and I'm searching for a replacement that will last.  I've 
considered the CK headsets in the past but they seem mighty expensive 
and while most reviews are positive there are some reviews suggesting 
they are not worth the money.  Also considering the IRD needle roller 
bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would be appreciated!.


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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread Patrick Moore
I just adjusted the Tange Rollerball headset on my '99 Joe Starck; it
hadn't been touched since 1999 and almost 12,500 miles, and probably didn't
even need adjustment, only I was being picky. Even after messing with it it
still seems fine. I didn't even bother to add grease.

The Ultegra on the '03 Curt Goodrich is as new after almost 10K miles
untouched.

The only headset I've ever notched was a Dura Ace loose ball set on a
mountain bike, which I overtightened.

On Tue, May 26, 2015 at 9:55 AM, David Hallerman sunwarr...@verizon.net
wrote:

  Price does not equal value, and price does not equal cost.

 While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
 Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with lower
 prices.

 For instance, I recently removed a threaded Chris King headset from a bike
 that has about 8000 miles on it, and I had installed that CK headset about
 16 years ago (!!!) with no maintenance in that period.

 And the CK headset is still smooth and functional, ready to be installed
 again.

 That's real value, and that's actually a lower cost per mile.

 Dave, who removed this CK headset only because he's doing a total
 overhaul on this particular Ibis road bike


 On 5/26/15 11:44 AM, Darin G. wrote:

 I've managed to notch the Shimano 105  headset on my Rom.  My shop says he
 can't find the cartridge bearings for this headset, so we switched the
 bottom cartridge to the top for now, but  I'm researching a new one. This
 is the second headset I've had that was worn out by the 3500 mile mark, the
 other being the original Tange on my Hillborne, and I'm searching for a
 replacement that will last.  I've considered the CK headsets in the past
 but they seem mighty expensive and while most reviews are positive there
 are some reviews suggesting they are not worth the money.  Also considering
 the IRD needle roller bearing headset on the Riv site.  Other ideas would
 be appreciated!.

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Re: [RBW] Threaded Headset Recommendation

2015-05-26 Thread Matthew J
 While Chris King headsets cost more than most, they last and last.
 Therefore, their actual cost tends to be far less than headsets with 
lower prices.

I am a big CK fan.  Cane Creek 110 classic 1 is a very good alternative. 
 As with CK, CC is also MUSA.

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