Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Bruce Herbitter]

The lower top tube let’s me stand over a 54.5 frame instead of the usual 50 cm 
that a 700 wheel would require. Much better geometry.  Tim is right about the 
handling.  


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> On May 7, 2018, at 8:23 AM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> Rich-
> 
> Like Bruce, I converted my 97 Road Standard to 650b.  650x38 (max width I can 
> fit in the rear) does not fully compensate for 700 x 25.  (622 + 25 + 25)/2 = 
> 336.  (584 + 38 + 38)/2 = 330.  So, a 650x38 wheel will lower the frame 6 mm 
> compared to a 700x25 wheel.  A 650x44 tire would compensate perfectly, but 
> the Riv Road frame won't fit wider than a 38.
> 
> Since the Riv Road has 80 mm of BB drop to begin with, it does have problems 
> with the low BB; pedal strike is always a danger.  But the benefit of an 
> ultra-low BB is very, very good handling (and low standover).
> 
> I'm just very conscious of where my pedals are--a very useful skill in 
> mountain biking (which I do on other bikes).  
> 
>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:06 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>> Bruce,
>> 
>> Interesting your Riv Road Standard works with 650b wheels. Low bb and no 
>> pedal strike? Maybe the 38 size tires compensate?
>> 
>> Thank you very much,
>> Richard
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On May 3, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>> > 
>> > From MOJO's post
>> > "The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It 
>> > disappears underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, 
>> > handles superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design 
>> > for my body and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The 
>> > Road Standard is my favorite Rivendell bike."
>> > 
>> > I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95 
>> > Road (a pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different 
>> > dropouts. Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and 
>> > feel. The Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add 
>> > up to a great ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which 
>> > add to the ride quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and 
>> > great ride too. It's not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally. 
>> > The Saluki was like this also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with 
>> > upside down mustache bars and an upright posture. It was always nice, now 
>> > nicer.
>> > 
>> > But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius & 
>> > Wilbury best.
>> > 
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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[R Shannon]

Tim:

Thank you very much for your helpful and detailed reply. 

Have a good day!
Richard 

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> On May 7, 2018, at 9:23 AM, Tim Gavin  wrote:
> 
> Rich-
> 
> Like Bruce, I converted my 97 Road Standard to 650b.  650x38 (max width I can 
> fit in the rear) does not fully compensate for 700 x 25.  (622 + 25 + 25)/2 = 
> 336.  (584 + 38 + 38)/2 = 330.  So, a 650x38 wheel will lower the frame 6 mm 
> compared to a 700x25 wheel.  A 650x44 tire would compensate perfectly, but 
> the Riv Road frame won't fit wider than a 38.
> 
> Since the Riv Road has 80 mm of BB drop to begin with, it does have problems 
> with the low BB; pedal strike is always a danger.  But the benefit of an 
> ultra-low BB is very, very good handling (and low standover).
> 
> I'm just very conscious of where my pedals are--a very useful skill in 
> mountain biking (which I do on other bikes).  
> 
>> On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:06 PM, R Shannon  wrote:
>> Bruce,
>> 
>> Interesting your Riv Road Standard works with 650b wheels. Low bb and no 
>> pedal strike? Maybe the 38 size tires compensate?
>> 
>> Thank you very much,
>> Richard
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On May 3, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Fullylugged  wrote:
>> > 
>> > From MOJO's post
>> > "The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It 
>> > disappears underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, 
>> > handles superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design 
>> > for my body and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The 
>> > Road Standard is my favorite Rivendell bike."
>> > 
>> > I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95 
>> > Road (a pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different 
>> > dropouts. Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and 
>> > feel. The Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add 
>> > up to a great ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which 
>> > add to the ride quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and 
>> > great ride too. It's not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally. 
>> > The Saluki was like this also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with 
>> > upside down mustache bars and an upright posture. It was always nice, now 
>> > nicer.
>> > 
>> > But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius & 
>> > Wilbury best.
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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Tim Gavin]

Rich-

Like Bruce, I converted my 97 Road Standard to 650b.  650x38 (max width I
can fit in the rear) does not fully compensate for 700 x 25.  (622 + 25 +
25)/2 = 336.  (584 + 38 + 38)/2 = 330.  So, a 650x38 wheel will lower the
frame 6 mm compared to a 700x25 wheel.  A 650x44 tire would compensate
perfectly, but the Riv Road frame won't fit wider than a 38.

Since the Riv Road has 80 mm of BB drop to begin with, it does have
problems with the low BB; pedal strike is always a danger.  But the benefit
of an ultra-low BB is very, very good handling (and low standover).

I'm just very conscious of where my pedals are--a very useful skill in
mountain biking (which I do on other bikes).

On Fri, May 4, 2018 at 8:06 PM, R Shannon  wrote:

> Bruce,
>
> Interesting your Riv Road Standard works with 650b wheels. Low bb and no
> pedal strike? Maybe the 38 size tires compensate?
>
> Thank you very much,
> Richard
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On May 3, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Fullylugged 
> wrote:
> >
> > From MOJO's post
> > "The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It
> disappears underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well,
> handles superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design
> for my body and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The
> Road Standard is my favorite Rivendell bike."
> >
> > I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95
> Road (a pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different
> dropouts. Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and
> feel. The Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add
> up to a great ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which
> add to the ride quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and
> great ride too. It's not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally.
> The Saluki was like this also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with
> upside down mustache bars and an upright posture. It was always nice, now
> nicer.
> >
> > But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius &
> Wilbury best.
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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[R Shannon]

Didn’t mean to hijack this thread but thank you Lum and Bruce for the feedback.

All my Rivs are my favorites!

Best,
Richard

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> On May 4, 2018, at 11:48 PM, Lum Gim Fong  wrote:
> 
> 26cm bb with 170mm cranks and you are good to go from my ecperience with 
> Rambouillet 650b conversion. Took 650x42 at 45psi to get bb that high.
> 
> A 650b 53 Bleriot is 26cm bb to grnd too with 38mm tires at 45psi.
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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Lum Gim Fong]

26cm bb with 170mm cranks and you are good to go from my ecperience with 
Rambouillet 650b conversion. Took 650x42 at 45psi to get bb that high.

A 650b 53 Bleriot is 26cm bb to grnd too with 38mm tires at 45psi.

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Re: [RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[R Shannon]

Bruce,

Interesting your Riv Road Standard works with 650b wheels. Low bb and no pedal 
strike? Maybe the 38 size tires compensate?

Thank you very much,
Richard

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> On May 3, 2018, at 10:45 PM, Fullylugged  wrote:
> 
> From MOJO's post
> "The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It disappears 
> underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, handles 
> superbly, has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design for my body 
> and riding style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The Road Standard 
> is my favorite Rivendell bike."
> 
> I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95 Road 
> (a pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different 
> dropouts. Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and 
> feel. The Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add up 
> to a great ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which add to 
> the ride quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and great ride 
> too. It's not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally. The Saluki 
> was like this also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with upside down 
> mustache bars and an upright posture. It was always nice, now nicer.
> 
> But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius & 
> Wilbury best.
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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Fullylugged]

>From MOJO's post
"The Road Standard has a unique quality that is indescribable. It disappears 
underneath me. It accelerates well, carries light loads well, handles superbly, 
has no toe overlap. I attribute this to Grant's design for my body and riding 
style. It is my only bike with caliper brakes. The Road Standard is my favorite 
Rivendell bike."

I had and sold a Saluki, and still have a Rambouillet to go with my 95 Road (a 
pre-production sample actually, with level top tube and different dropouts. 
Same lugs and tubes) I agree that the Road has a super ride and feel. The 
Reynolds 753, low BB, long stays and Waterford steering all add up to a great 
ride. Mine is a 650B conversion that I did to fit 38s which add to the ride 
quality. It is my favorite,  The Ram is a lovely bike and great ride too. It's 
not as lively as the Road and handles more neutrally. The Saluki was like this 
also.  I am liking the Ram more these days with upside down mustache bars and 
an upright posture. It was always nice, now nicer.

But I vote for the Road.  I like GP's early designs, through Glorius & Wilbury 
best.

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Surlyprof]

My canti-Hillborne is the best fitting, best riding most comfortable bike I’ve 
ever owned.  The 700c Velocity wheels with Barlow Pass ELs are so wonderful on 
the road.  A sturdier wheelset with Smart Sams radically changes the bike’s 
personality.

All that said... I’ve ridden the 650b Clem and Hunq test models and, at 5’10”, 
I think a 650b is ideal.  The 650b 1x10 Hunq at HQ would be my favorite.  The 
new MIT Atlantis also had me tempted but the 56 sold out before I could get to 
HQ for the test ride.  Looking forward to hearing more about the rumored fatter 
tires potentially on the horizon.

...still won’t give up my Sam.  It brings a big smile to my face with every 
ride.

John

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Coal Bee Rye Anne]

65cm Clem H... my first and only Riv so nothing else for me to compare it to, 
really.  When I first discovered Riv they were still selling some SimpleOne’s 
as webspecials.  Although I was only looking for parts I was highly tempted but 
feared the largest 62cm would still feel too small even though it was a bigger 
than my only bike at the time.  Still being a one bike person it also seemed 
excessive but little did I know that was just the beginning of my bike 
tinkering obsession.  Since then I’ve coveted several other Riv models but 
finally decided the frame size and value of the 65cm Clem Completes presale was 
too good to pass up and was my first complete new bike purchase since 1994 when 
I bought a rigid, steel mtb.

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Pondero]

Well...I let an Atlantis and two different Hilsens slip through my hands, and 
the Quickbeam is still here.  So I guess that is my answer.  It want to 
completely change its current build.  But I can't stand to let go of what it 
already is.  

Chris Johnson
Sanger, Texas

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[WETH]

I’ve owned four: Early generation Atlantis, Road Standard, Romulus converted to 
650b, and a Cheviot.
I sold the Atlantis and the Road.
The Cheviot is my favorite.  It is stable and smooth. It can handle a load well 
and fits 700x50 Big Bens with fenders (some hacking required).

I’m with Joe on dreaming about a red Cheviot with Wilbury lugs!!

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Joe Bernard]

Yes, I was going to chime in with "the one I'm riding", too, because I only 
have one (at the moment) and I love it: my glorius RBW Blue Cheviot. The ride 
is pure magic, and there's something about the lines of Grant's mixte design 
that now makes my brain look at 'normal toptube' bikes and think, "Boy, that 
thing is way up there!". 

One thing I like about it is it flows better into the long stays than the 
toptuber Rivs, to my eye. It's possible this comes from not having a 
preconceived notion of what mixtes are "supposed" to look like. 

Extrapolating from my favorite Riv I've owned, my dream custom would be a 
Glorius/Wilbury with those insanely delicate - and hard to paint - lugs. Candy 
Apple Red!

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Deacon Patrick]

The one I’m riding, of course. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Your favorite Rivendell?

[Patrick Moore]

I've owned 5: 3 custom Roads, 56 (55?) single tt, canti Sam, and blue Ram,
later model with room for 32s and fenders and space in between.

I put more miles on the 2003 Curt, just about identical to the '99 Joe
gofast in frame geometry, drivetain/saddle/bar components and setup; it
just adds all the accoutrements -- fenders, racks f/r, dynolights, bell fer
gosh's sakes -- that you'd reasonably want for an "errand" bike, But, (just
rode it) I have to say that the stripper gofast is just *more fun* to ride,
measured by response in drivetrain to effort in legs. I don't know why this
is so, since the '03 has largely the same drivetrain, and wheels -- same
tires, Elk Pass -- as the '99. There is probably a 7 lb weight
differenceboth bikes unladen ('99 is 18.1 now that it adds second bottle
cage and Dingle on flip side); and the '03 is very often laden; but -- I
dunno.

I realize that all of this is very relative to your own type of riding; but
for me, if someone held a gun to my head and said: "One bike; choose now!",
I'd have to choose the '99 Joe.

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