Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
You probably need to identify what you personally consider to be better in a road bike. I thought about a Hilsen, but got a Ram. I'm not sure I could have told the difference at the time, as far as which was better. What I later found made an enormous difference was tires. I went from Ruffy Tuffy to Jack Brown greens. It's like a different (and better) bike! You might find the feel you're seeking by going the other direction and putting on narrower tires. IMHO, you should experiment extensively with tires on your Hilsen to see if you have some sort of revelation about feel. I think you'd regret trading away the Hilsen for some elusive sense of road feel. What if you did trade for a Ram and discovered you actually liked it less? - Original Message - From: Shawn To: RBW Owners Bunch Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
I have ridden mine as a road bike and used 28C tires. With 28s it looks a lot like my Riv Road in general, but if you look closely you can see a ton of clearance at the brake areas and that does look a little goofy. Handling-wise it handles just fine with the 28s and I wouldn't hesitate to use them on a club ride with this bike. I have to say that I put the Jack Brown Greens on it a few months back and it has been quite a revelation. One day while commuting home, I was driving an overly competitive rider batty by keeping up with him and eventually passing him. He seemed a little annoyed that a guy on a bike with downtube shifters and fenders was passing him like that, and then even more annoyed that he couldn't re-take the lead. Overall, I find the Jack Browns to be just as fast, if not faster, tham the Continental Ultra 28s that I had used previously. I also find that the AHH when not loaded down with racks is as sprightly as you would need for most riding, and you still have options for racks and bags if the need arises. Joe Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 06:34:06 -0800 Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike From: sa240...@yahoo.com To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen’s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can’t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. _ Get gifts for them and cashback for you. Try Bing now. http://www.bing.com/shopping/search?q=xbox+gamesscope=cashbackform=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_Shopping_Giftsforthem_cashback_1x1 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
on 12/3/09 6:34 AM, Shawn at sa240...@yahoo.com wrote: Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen¹s clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can¹t sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Tires are relatively cheap, and if you think that will give you the ride you are looking for, I'd slap on some 28's and ride. The first time I rode the Hilsen over at RBW, they only had a set of 28's, and it definitely handled a little differently than the way I've got it set up now (JB's/33 1/3). But, that was a short ride, and it wouldn't be reasonable to say I recall how/what/why. But, honestly, thinner tires do not a Rrrroady bike make. Jack Brown Greens are pretty danged (warning - loaded phrase to follow) light. A Conti 25mm is in the 215 gram range, while the JB(G) right around 300. So, you are dragging another couple hundred grams around on your club ride, which matters maybe on the climbs. There has been a significant discussion of tire sizes affecting speed over on the iBob list following the last Bicycle Quarterly (not the current edition). Jan's experiments tend to support the idea that a supple, larger volume tire is really faster than a highly inflated thin (23 mm) typical road tire. Folks will tell you that the narrow tires are faster, but there's less real-world evidence to support that. In other words, when the fast kids go steaming past me, I don't think it's really got anything to do with other than the engine. You could play with a lighter wheelset, tweak your riding position a bit and upgrade parts to drop a little weight. But, there's nothing about the Hilsen that won't let it go fast, if you want to push it. - Jim -- Jim Edgar cyclofi...@earthlink.net Cyclofiend Bicycle Photo Galleries - http://www.cyclofiend.com Current Classics - Cross Bikes Singlespeed - Working Bikes Your Photos are needed! - http://www.cyclofiend.com/guidelines Steel's what you want for a messenger bike. Weight. Big basket up front. Not cardboard with some crazy aramid shit wrapped around it, weighs about as much as a sandwich. -- William Gibson, Virtual Light -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
RE: [RBW] AHH as a road bike
Buy a set of tubular rims and tire. You'll see a huge difference. I have a Mercian for which I have a set of clinchers and set of tubular. Every time I switch I like the bike all over again.That works in both switches. I love it both ways, about the time I'm getting tired of the bike I switch and its new toy time all over again. _ From: David Faller [mailto:dfal...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 9:33 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] AHH as a road bike You probably need to identify what you personally consider to be better in a road bike. I thought about a Hilsen, but got a Ram. I'm not sure I could have told the difference at the time, as far as which was better. What I later found made an enormous difference was tires. I went from Ruffy Tuffy to Jack Brown greens. It's like a different (and better) bike! You might find the feel you're seeking by going the other direction and putting on narrower tires. IMHO, you should experiment extensively with tires on your Hilsen to see if you have some sort of revelation about feel. I think you'd regret trading away the Hilsen for some elusive sense of road feel. What if you did trade for a Ram and discovered you actually liked it less? - Original Message - From: Shawn mailto:sa240...@yahoo.com To: RBW Owners Bunch mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 6:34 AM Subject: [RBW] AHH as a road bike Now that I have the Atlantis, I have been thinking of making my Hilsen more of a roadish type bike to use on week-end rides with my friends on our smooth local MUP. Can anyone tell me how the AHH might handle, ride and look with 25mm to 28mm tires on it. I know most people don't ride that skinny of a tire but any feed back would be appreciated. I am trying to separate the two bikes into two distinct categories; Atlantis- touring, camping, commuter= big tires; Hilsen- club rides, events, exercise, go faster=skinner tires. It seems like the Hilsen's clearance are wasted now that I have the Atlantis. I know it sounds like I want a more traditional type road bike and the Roadeo would fit that bill perfectly, except there is the matter of finances, can't sell the Hilsen to totally finance the Roadeo, and I am not crazy about the fact the Roadeo does not have brazeons for at least a Mark type rack. Is the Rambouillet a better road bike than the Hilsen? If so maybe I should trade or sell my Hilsen for a Rambouillet. I want to be clear that I do not want to race, I just want to make a clear distinctions between the two bikes. Sorry about the long post and thanks in advance for any advice or feedback. Shawn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch?hl=en.
