Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Montclair BobbyB]

A CB750 block!!! That's gotta be the all-time best!!!  You rock, Mark!!!

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 11:08:12 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Here's some of my personal best loads - a 40lb bag of wood stove pellets 
> tied down to my Nitto Campee using a wire shelf to distribute the load. A 
> Honda cb750 engine block in a pannier, 24 beers, and a cord of wood. The 
> bike handled quite well all things considered!
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> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've been carrying heavyish rear grocery loads on Rivendells since 1997 
>> or so. The secret is to use a very stiff rack, and I had very good luck 
>> with the Tubus Fly -- 11 oz, rated to 44 lb, which I've maxed out. The 
>> Cargo model is rated to 80 lb, IIRC.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Fred Craven  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Front or rear?
>>>
>>> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac 
>>> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items 
>>> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes 
>>> at least once).
>>>
>>> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a 
>>> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of 
>>> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not 
>>> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be 
>>> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so 
>>> I welcome your opinions.
>>>
>>> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to 
>>> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Mark Reimer]

And my mistake for saying a cord of wood, I had always thought a cord was a 
bundle like in the photo. I see know that I was a wee bit off!

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 1:31:42 PM UTC-5, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> My mistake, thanks for the clarification.  I glanced at it instead of 
> looking carefully.  I really like the Campee Classic (with removable 
> lowrider) front racks.
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Mark Reimer  > wrote:
>
>> My rack actually isn't the big rack! It's the smaller more elegant campee 
>> model
>>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Mark Reimer]

Here's some of my personal best loads - a 40lb bag of wood stove pellets 
tied down to my Nitto Campee using a wire shelf to distribute the load. A 
Honda cb750 engine block in a pannier, 24 beers, and a cord of wood. The 
bike handled quite well all things considered!











On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> I've been carrying heavyish rear grocery loads on Rivendells since 1997 or 
> so. The secret is to use a very stiff rack, and I had very good luck with 
> the Tubus Fly -- 11 oz, rated to 44 lb, which I've maxed out. The Cargo 
> model is rated to 80 lb, IIRC.
>
> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Fred Craven  > wrote:
>
>> Front or rear?
>>
>> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac 
>> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items 
>> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes 
>> at least once).
>>
>> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a 
>> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of 
>> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not 
>> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be 
>> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so 
>> I welcome your opinions.
>>
>> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to 
>> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Ryan Fleming]

Yup...I've seen Mark' beast of burden in action and yup , he hauls a lotta 
stuff on it. Doesn't   seem to slow him down appreciably, though

On Tuesday, October 13, 2015 at 10:08:12 AM UTC-5, Mark Reimer wrote:
>
> Here's some of my personal best loads - a 40lb bag of wood stove pellets 
> tied down to my Nitto Campee using a wire shelf to distribute the load. A 
> Honda cb750 engine block in a pannier, 24 beers, and a cord of wood. The 
> bike handled quite well all things considered!
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 7:29:44 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> I've been carrying heavyish rear grocery loads on Rivendells since 1997 
>> or so. The secret is to use a very stiff rack, and I had very good luck 
>> with the Tubus Fly -- 11 oz, rated to 44 lb, which I've maxed out. The 
>> Cargo model is rated to 80 lb, IIRC.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Fred Craven  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Front or rear?
>>>
>>> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac 
>>> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items 
>>> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes 
>>> at least once).
>>>
>>> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a 
>>> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of 
>>> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not 
>>> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be 
>>> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so 
>>> I welcome your opinions.
>>>
>>> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to 
>>> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>>>
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>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Kainalu]

A cord! That's got my hugest load whooped and I often use a trailer that maxes 
at 300ish lbs. 24 packs I can do. Seen a gentleman in Beijing with a few 
hundred pounds of melons, that had looked like a record to me. 
Glad for my oil heat
-Kai
Brooklyn, NY

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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Tim Gavin]

My mistake, thanks for the clarification.  I glanced at it instead of
looking carefully.  I really like the Campee Classic (with removable
lowrider) front racks.

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:27 PM, Mark Reimer  wrote:

> My rack actually isn't the big rack! It's the smaller more elegant campee
> model
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Tim Gavin]

Kudos to Mark.

His Nitto 34F (Big Front Rack) is definitely a more capable of epic loads
than the Nitto mini front racks.

Tim

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Ryan Fleming  wrote:

> Yup...I've seen Mark' beast of burden in action and yup , he hauls a lotta
> stuff on it. Doesn't   seem to slow him down appreciably, though
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Mark Reimer]

My rack actually isn't the big rack! It's the smaller more elegant campee
model

On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:01 PM, Tim Gavin 
wrote:

> Kudos to Mark.
>
> His Nitto 34F (Big Front Rack) is definitely a more capable of epic loads
> than the Nitto mini front racks.
>
> Tim
>
> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Ryan Fleming <
> ryanmalloryflem...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Yup...I've seen Mark' beast of burden in action and yup , he hauls a
>> lotta stuff on it. Doesn't   seem to slow him down appreciably, though
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Tim Gavin]

I have a '97 Riv Road Standard.

I've used a medium Wald on a mini Nitto front rack, with p-clamps to the
fork legs (Tubus leg clamps are more secure and I will use them if I
install the mini front again).

The basket fits fine, but may cause a problem if your bike has a short head
tube and you use narrow drop bars.

I found the basket to work great for light loads, like the cheese and
baguettes, or a sweater, or a lightweight sleeping bag.

I found that the basket resulted in lots of wheel flop when I put more than
~5 pounds in it.  A six-pack of beer in the basket was dicey, and with a
12-pack the handling was downright mulish.

Front low-rider panniers (like the Hub Area Rack and bags, or Tubus Tara,
or Nitto Campee Classic racks) are more stable and can easily carry more
weight up front than a basket atop the wheel.

You could use the front basket for the bread and cheese, and stash the wine
elsewhere.
A rear rack/bag setup?  Or, replace one bottle cage with a Salsa Anything
cage, which would fit a wine bottle just fine.

Tim

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Fred Craven  wrote:

> Front or rear?
>
> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac
> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items
> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes
> at least once).
>
> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a
> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of
> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not
> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be
> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so
> I welcome your opinions.
>
> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to
> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Tim Gavin]

Exactly.  Fred has a mid-trail Riv Road and so do I, so I felt my
experiences were germane.

I would not make the same recommendations for a low-trail fork (which I
have no experience with).

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:29 PM, Matthew J  wrote:

>
> For medium or high trail bikes or even a low trail bike with poorly
> designed rack / basket, yes.  A low trail bike with well positioned porteur
> style rack can carry weight well over 20 lbs without handling issues.
>
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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Minh]

i'd echo tim's comments, i have a big wald basket on my QB (with a 
platrack), so i overload it often.  i've carried a pretty large watermelon, 
an auto-battery, both were not really fun, but i got them home.  but for a 
normal grocery run, it's fine, you just have to be a little more careful 
with the steering if you start piling in the sacks of potatoes.


On Monday, October 12, 2015 at 5:29:37 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote:
>
> > I found that the basket resulted in lots of wheel flop when I put more 
> than ~5 pounds in it.  A six-pack of beer in the basket was dicey, and with 
> a 12-pack the handling was downright mulish.
>
> > Front low-rider panniers (like the Hub Area Rack and bags, or Tubus 
> Tara, or Nitto Campee Classic racks) are more stable and can easily carry 
> more weight up front than a basket atop the wheel.
>
> For medium or high trail bikes or even a low trail bike with poorly 
> designed rack / basket, yes.  A low trail bike with well positioned porteur 
> style rack can carry weight well over 20 lbs without handling issues.  
>
> Low trail bikes have other handling characteristics that many Riv fans may 
> not enjoy.  For them i think your rack Rx is spot on.
>

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RE: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[John Dilsaver]

It's possible to carry more than you think, especially for short distances. I 
have a mini-front rack with a wald basket zip-tied to it at times. Works great 
for groceries. A couple years ago we were out on the bikes on a Sat morning 
stopping at some garage sales. We stop at a sale and there's this plastic tool 
box full of neglected rusty sockets and other junk, but could be cleaned up, 
probably over 20 lbs. No way am I asking the price 'cause I can't carry it. 
Candy asks. It's $3. I had to buy it. I sat it on end in the basket, we bought 
a 50 cent or maybe a dime belt to strap it to my bars and off we went, made it 
home fine, just a couple miles.  Buff up the sockets, and coat 'em with some 
lanolube, they're great.

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 2015 16:19:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets
From: tim.ga...@littlevillagemag.com
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com

I have a '97 Riv Road Standard.
I've used a medium Wald on a mini Nitto front rack, with p-clamps to the fork 
legs (Tubus leg clamps are more secure and I will use them if I install the 
mini front again).  
The basket fits fine, but may cause a problem if your bike has a short head 
tube and you use narrow drop bars.
I found the basket to work great for light loads, like the cheese and 
baguettes, or a sweater, or a lightweight sleeping bag.
I found that the basket resulted in lots of wheel flop when I put more than ~5 
pounds in it.  A six-pack of beer in the basket was dicey, and with a 12-pack 
the handling was downright mulish.
Front low-rider panniers (like the Hub Area Rack and bags, or Tubus Tara, or 
Nitto Campee Classic racks) are more stable and can easily carry more weight up 
front than a basket atop the wheel.
You could use the front basket for the bread and cheese, and stash the wine 
elsewhere.  A rear rack/bag setup?  Or, replace one bottle cage with a Salsa 
Anything cage, which would fit a wine bottle just fine.
Tim
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Fred Craven <f...@harmonic-data.com> wrote:
Front or rear?



Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac arrest, I 
desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items for dinner (and 
you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes at least once).



To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a basket. 
But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of the generation 
where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not a problem. I think 
a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be more stable. As I'm 
utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so I welcome your opinions.



The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to Joel). 
I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.



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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Patrick Moore]

I've been carrying heavyish rear grocery loads on Rivendells since 1997 or
so. The secret is to use a very stiff rack, and I had very good luck with
the Tubus Fly -- 11 oz, rated to 44 lb, which I've maxed out. The Cargo
model is rated to 80 lb, IIRC.

On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 3:03 PM, Fred Craven  wrote:

> Front or rear?
>
> Now that I'm able to ride a reasonably short distance without cardiac
> arrest, I desire to go to our local grocery store and pick up a few items
> for dinner (and you can be sure that I will get wine cheese and baguettes
> at least once).
>
> To facilitate this chore I will need "on bike" storage: most likely a
> basket. But where to put it, front or rear? My Rivendell Road Bike is of
> the generation where extra braze-ons were not standard fare. But that's not
> a problem. I think a front basket looks awesome, but rear storage might be
> more stable. As I'm utterly ignorant on the ramifications of this choice so
> I welcome your opinions.
>
> The geometry is Riv-road, with a delightfully short top tube (thanks to
> Joel). I'm not sure if that affects things, but that's the situation.
>
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*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and
individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* Carthusian motto

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Re: [RBW] Groceries and baskets

[Matthew J]

> I found that the basket resulted in lots of wheel flop when I put more 
than ~5 pounds in it.  A six-pack of beer in the basket was dicey, and with 
a 12-pack the handling was downright mulish.

> Front low-rider panniers (like the Hub Area Rack and bags, or Tubus Tara, 
or Nitto Campee Classic racks) are more stable and can easily carry more 
weight up front than a basket atop the wheel.

For medium or high trail bikes or even a low trail bike with poorly 
designed rack / basket, yes.  A low trail bike with well positioned porteur 
style rack can carry weight well over 20 lbs without handling issues.  

Low trail bikes have other handling characteristics that many Riv fans may 
not enjoy.  For them i think your rack Rx is spot on.

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