Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Ben Miller]

For whatever it's worth, I've put 1000's of km's on Lezyne glueless 
patches. They've last longer than the tyres in which they're encased.

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

Back when I was a wee lad, sitting at the feet of New Delhi bicycle
wallahs, the finishing action after cutting the patch (from old innertube,
always pink for some reason), scuffing patch and tube, applying fluid from
4 oz tin, blowing and letting dry, and carefully affixing the patch, was to
lay the patch, now on the tube, over something hard, say the chainstay, and
use the handle (wood, home made, or at least, cottage industry) of your big
flathead screwdriver (ditto) to pound around the surface of the patch to
ensure adherence.

As when the nuns (full wimples) admonished us in primary school not to
slide louchely on our bums from the seated to the kneeling position (on the
oaken pews, polished by generations of bums), but to stand with dignity
before kneeling, a commandment I found myself, to my surprise, obeying in
my early 30s, so with the beating of the patches -- I did it religiously
until I decided that rolling it (say, with a discarded straight seat pin or
section of thick dowel), or using the edge of my thumbnail to iron it in
place, worked just as well.

On Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 10:54 PM, Bill M.  wrote:

>
> I use the plastic patch kit box as the 'anvil', and the rounded end of a
> tire lever to apply the pressure to make sure the patch seals well to the
> tube.
>
> Also, I leave the clear plastic on the patch if I'm reinstalling
> immediately.  That makes sure I don't pull the patch free.  If using the
> patched tube as a spare, I'll remove the plastic after the patch has had a
> suitably long time to cure.  Bending the patched area a bit will often open
> up a split in the plastic, so it can be peeled off center-to-edge.
>
> Bill
> Stockton, CA
>
>
> On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-7, Jon Spangler wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> 2) Rolling over the patch once it is applied to the tube-
>>
>>
>>
>> a) place the tube on a wide, flat, and hard surface, then
>>
>>
>>
>> b) use a frame or floor pump barrel like a rolling pin and roll across
>> the patch in different directions.
>>
>>
>>  Rolling the patch like a pie crust helps cement the patch completely,
>> IMHO. Not sure where I learned this step but it seems to help.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Bill M.]

I use the plastic patch kit box as the 'anvil', and the rounded end of a 
tire lever to apply the pressure to make sure the patch seals well to the 
tube.  

Also, I leave the clear plastic on the patch if I'm reinstalling 
immediately.  That makes sure I don't pull the patch free.  If using the 
patched tube as a spare, I'll remove the plastic after the patch has had a 
suitably long time to cure.  Bending the patched area a bit will often open 
up a split in the plastic, so it can be peeled off center-to-edge.  

Bill
Stockton, CA  


On Wednesday, October 4, 2017 at 1:35:39 PM UTC-7, Jon Spangler wrote:
>
>
>
> 2) Rolling over the patch once it is applied to the tube- 
>
>  
>
> a) place the tube on a wide, flat, and hard surface, then
>
>  
>
> b) use a frame or floor pump barrel like a rolling pin and roll across the 
> patch in different directions. 
>
>
>  Rolling the patch like a pie crust helps cement the patch completely, 
> IMHO. Not sure where I learned this step but it seems to help.
>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/05/2017 08:21 PM, Eric K wrote:

I don’t understand the warning so often repeated to avoid glueless patches.


Then let me explain.  In my experience, glueless patches inevitably will 
fail.  It's hard to tell how long they'll last, but they're not 
permanent and that patched tube will at some point leak and go flat.  If 
you try to remove it and properly patch the leak with a regular patch, 
you'll find the glueless patch has left a sticky residue on the tube 
that defies removal and makes it impossible to glue a regular patch to 
the tube, so you will have to throw the tube away.


Admittedly, it's been a while now since I've used glueless patches, but 
in my calculation, the limited amount of convenience they offer doesn't 
begin to compensate for the risk of having to discard a perfectly fine 
tire tens of thousands of miles before its time.




I had a rear tube with eight patches, half of which were glueless. The most 
recent glueless patch had almost 2000 miles, and the oldest glueless had over 
4000 miles. The patches all held up just fine until puncture #9 was too close 
to the edge of an existing repair. Yes, it was hard to dispose of that tube.

Maybe glueless patches are indeed “getchahome” repairs for racer types with 
120psi. But my experience at 80-85psi has given me confidence that they can 
also be a long-term repair.



Perhaps you're right.  I only ever tried them on 23mm tubes.

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Eric K]

I don’t understand the warning so often repeated to avoid glueless patches.

I had a rear tube with eight patches, half of which were glueless. The most 
recent glueless patch had almost 2000 miles, and the oldest glueless had over 
4000 miles. The patches all held up just fine until puncture #9 was too close 
to the edge of an existing repair. Yes, it was hard to dispose of that tube. 

Maybe glueless patches are indeed “getchahome” repairs for racer types with 
120psi. But my experience at 80-85psi has given me confidence that they can 
also be a long-term repair.

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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Jon Spangler]

lum gim fong,

Yes, patching (when successfully accomplished) is permanent--as permanent 
as any inner tube can be.

In addition to the other suggestions here that reinforce following the 
directions carefully, I suggest:

1) inflating the unmatched tube as much as possible before applying the 
patch to help reduce the amount of stretching that occurs after
re-inflating: the patch will keep the tube from stretching evenly 
underneath the patch itself.

2) Rolling over the patch once it is applied to the tube- 

 

a) place the tube on a wide, flat, and hard surface, then

 

b) use a frame or floor pump barrel like a rolling pin and roll across the 
patch in different directions. 


 Rolling the patch like a pie crust helps cement the patch completely, 
IMHO. Not sure where I learned this step but it seems to help.

If any patch has failed to work you will know very quickly that the attempt 
was unsuccessful. Just try it again.


Jon Spangler
Alameda, CA

On Tuesday, October 3, 2017 at 2:43:42 PM UTC-7, Reed Kennedy wrote:
>
> I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used 
> to run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)
>
> I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two 
> categories:
>
>- Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big 
>cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small 
>patch).
>- Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a 
>little channel for air to get out.)
>
> Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I 
> consider it a permanent, reliable fix.
>
> And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny 
> puncture? What a waste!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong  > wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in 
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

I should add that, Pre-Sealant, I applied well over 100 patches a year; I
regularly bought 2 boxes of 100 Remas at a time; 200 usually lasted me a
year. And this went on for at least 25 years after I moved to ABQ, NM.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> I've ripped patches off that were so firmly attached that they pulled the
> tube with them. With proper materials and proper technique, yes, they are
> very permanent indeed.
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:36 PM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Patrick Moore]

I've ripped patches off that were so firmly attached that they pulled the
tube with them. With proper materials and proper technique, yes, they are
very permanent indeed.

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 3:36 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Steve Palincsar]

On 10/03/2017 05:36 PM, lum gim fong wrote:

*What is your track record with patching?*

Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?

I hear differing opinions about this.

I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.




"Glueless" patches are a temporary fix to get you home that inevitably 
fail in the long run and end up ruining your tube. "Regular" patches 
like the Remas if done correctly are a permanent fix.   It's not hard to 
do them correctly.


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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

Also worth mentioning: I only use good quality patch kits, generally Rema,
sometimes Rustines. Never the glue-less ones.


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Reed Kennedy  wrote:

> I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used
> to run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)
>
> I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
> categories:
>
>- Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
>cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
>patch).
>- Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a
>little channel for air to get out.)
>
> Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
> consider it a permanent, reliable fix.
>
> And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny
> puncture? What a waste!
>
>
> Best,
> Reed
>
> On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong 
> wrote:
>
>> *What is your track record with patching?*
>>
>> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>>
>> I hear differing opinions about this.
>>
>> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>>
>>
>> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
>> subject title. Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Is tube patching a permanent, reliable fix?

[Reed Kennedy]

I must have installed at least a hundred patches over the years. (I used to
run narrow high pressure tires, and used to get more flats.)

I've had a handful of patches fail. These generally fall in to one of two
categories:

   - Put the puncture too close to the edge of the patch (to cover a big
   cut, or to try and cover both holes in a snakebite puncture with one small
   patch).
   - Puncture right near the seam of the tube. (Sometimes it forms a little
   channel for air to get out.)

Even considering those, I have a patch failure rate of much below 5%. I
consider it a permanent, reliable fix.

And what's the alternative? Throwing away a tube after every tiny puncture?
What a waste!


Best,
Reed

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 2:36 PM, lum gim fong  wrote:

> *What is your track record with patching?*
>
> Has it worked like a permanent, reliable fix for the tube?
>
> I hear differing opinions about this.
>
> I can save some $$ if patching is a permanent fix.
>
>
> Not interested in tubeless at all. Just wondering about question in
> subject title. Thanks.
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