Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Oh! no we only have one XO-1, the other in the picture belonged to a guy from Bicycling magazine, he was doing a story on a local race organizer and we happened to meet him at one of the events. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Bike looks great! But if I may make just one suggestion, put some kind of extra strap around your third water bottle... I lost a nice bottle and a decent cage once not knowing to do so. I used a short irish strap like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/wwqandy/4888270842/ -Andy On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 8:31:12 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: You have TWO XO-1's!??!? On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:23 AM, nathaniel nichols natni...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: my Front loaded 56cm Fatlantis. It handles pretty well all packed up front, I was letting my partner use the rear rack for her xo1 since we only have one. But yeah going up hills i guess you can say it wanders a tad but not too crazy, and we climbed a lot these days to and from big sur from SF, it didn't seem to wear me out anymore than just the ride . On the way down to LA with drops I remember it being not as much but of course I had a lil bit of weight on the rear at that time. This was before I had both of my low trail bikes, but even then, I haven't loaded those up with a load at all so yeah, nothing really to compare it to ( Rawland 700c Nordavinden, Boulder all road 650b on the way) I've since took off the racks and put 2.1 knobby Bronson's on. It's and awesome trade. I'm still on the verge of selling cuz I would like my dedicated trail to have a tad more standover room but every time I get on the damn bike I cringe at the existence without it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
How did you loose the cage?? The bottle is kept so tight in the cage I've got to really yank it to get it out, so I don't think strips are needed for that reason. Did your cage screws back out and the whole thing fell off? On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Andy.M andy.e.m...@gmail.com wrote: Bike looks great! But if I may make just one suggestion, put some kind of extra strap around your third water bottle... I lost a nice bottle and a decent cage once not knowing to do so. I used a short irish strap like this https://www.flickr.com/photos/wwqandy/4888270842/ -Andy On Wednesday, April 22, 2015 at 8:31:12 AM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: You have TWO XO-1's!??!? On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:23 AM, nathaniel nichols natni...@gmail.com wrote: my Front loaded 56cm Fatlantis. It handles pretty well all packed up front, I was letting my partner use the rear rack for her xo1 since we only have one. But yeah going up hills i guess you can say it wanders a tad but not too crazy, and we climbed a lot these days to and from big sur from SF, it didn't seem to wear me out anymore than just the ride . On the way down to LA with drops I remember it being not as much but of course I had a lil bit of weight on the rear at that time. This was before I had both of my low trail bikes, but even then, I haven't loaded those up with a load at all so yeah, nothing really to compare it to ( Rawland 700c Nordavinden, Boulder all road 650b on the way) I've since took off the racks and put 2.1 knobby Bronson's on. It's and awesome trade. I'm still on the verge of selling cuz I would like my dedicated trail to have a tad more standover room but every time I get on the damn bike I cringe at the existence without it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Thanks, that's useful because I am thinking (just thinking) of getting custom lowriders for the green Curt Riv, which now serves as my grocery bike and which doesn't handle heavy and exclusively rear loads with the aplomb of the recently sold Ram. I hope to have various brazing done on the Curt, which already has a custom rear rack; so unobtrusive front low riders that can carry up to 10 lb a side might to supplement the rear panniers might help maintain the volume but improve the ride. We'll see. I expect that the Sam Hill I owned, which wandered horribly with just rear loads on steep hills while seated and twiddling, might have done much better with some of that weight put up front -- in fact, I had low rider front bosses retrofitted to the SH's fork but never really tested the bike with a front load. Oh well, live and learn. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 9:27 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I find that my Atlantii handle beautifully with a front and rear touring load with more weight on the back. In fact, they handle beautifully under almost any load. But I have noticed the front wheel wander with my Krampus, when I'm climbing hills that are close to my limit, when the bike is unloaded. The problem gets considerably less bad if I move the saddle forward and if I lean forward when climbing. It's annoying, though, because none of my Rivendells ever exhibit the problem. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
You have TWO XO-1's!??!? On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:23 AM, nathaniel nichols natnich...@gmail.com wrote: my Front loaded 56cm Fatlantis. It handles pretty well all packed up front, I was letting my partner use the rear rack for her xo1 since we only have one. But yeah going up hills i guess you can say it wanders a tad but not too crazy, and we climbed a lot these days to and from big sur from SF, it didn't seem to wear me out anymore than just the ride . On the way down to LA with drops I remember it being not as much but of course I had a lil bit of weight on the rear at that time. This was before I had both of my low trail bikes, but even then, I haven't loaded those up with a load at all so yeah, nothing really to compare it to ( Rawland 700c Nordavinden, Boulder all road 650b on the way) I've since took off the racks and put 2.1 knobby Bronson's on. It's and awesome trade. I'm still on the verge of selling cuz I would like my dedicated trail to have a tad more standover room but every time I get on the damn bike I cringe at the existence without it... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Dave, With my Hunqapillar I only notice the tendency you describe with a combination of factors: -- extremely steep climbing (as in on the edge of having to LCG it). -- Heavyish camping load on the rear (50+ pounds, which I rarely carry camping anymore), nothing on the front. -- Wide, swept back bars magnify this tendency, in particular Albatross (and I presume Bosco would as well) For me the fix was simple: -- mini rack in front with trunk sack to hold food. It will be obvious when there is too much in there (which takes a bit of doing -- a large TrunkSack overstuffed with dense food for a four days for two people. -- Shift to Albastache bars (which I did for other reasons, but this is a wonderful benefit as well), and or, climb in a narrower, farther forward hand position. I find Mark's preference for front weight intriguing. I haven't tried front panniers, but I don't like my steering getting messed with (I'm likely ultra sensitive here due to my vertigo). I've settled on carrying my gear in Sackville Panniers, with bag, tent, and pad strapped on top. This keeps weight in the rear lower than with a large SaddleSack, which would get a bit floppy. In short, I wouldn't worry about it until you experience an issue. If you do, the fix is pretty simple. With abandon, Patrick On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 9:18:27 PM UTC-6, Dave C wrote: What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
I have a 64 Hillborne I tried loading above the front wheel and didn't like the flop that I fought. I carry 1 or 2 Ortlieb roll tops that hold most everything I could need on an outing. However, last summer I moved my kid from a stem mounted Yepp seat to a rear mounted seat, that necessitated reconsideration of front loads. I mounted a tubus low rider up front and adjusted the bags as far back as they'd go and it's been great. I don't load the front like I would the rear, but I've had a gallon of milk with with a few tubs of butter and yogurt without issue. No no-handing, but it's a relaxed roll. -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
I can definitely ride no-handed with this setup. Both panniers full, and a full handlebar bag or basket. I get some front-end shimmy without the panniers, which is actually a pretty new problem for me. I found that my headset was a bit loose yesterday though, so that might have been the cause. Haven't tried riding since I snugged it up. I can ride no-handed with no panniers and a medium to light load in the basket, but it isn't as easy. Never tried doing it uphill no-handed, hah! On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 9:59 AM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote: I have a 64 Hillborne I tried loading above the front wheel and didn't like the flop that I fought. I carry 1 or 2 Ortlieb roll tops that hold most everything I could need on an outing. However, last summer I moved my kid from a stem mounted Yepp seat to a rear mounted seat, that necessitated reconsideration of front loads. I mounted a tubus low rider up front and adjusted the bags as far back as they'd go and it's been great. I don't load the front like I would the rear, but I've had a gallon of milk with with a few tubs of butter and yogurt without issue. No no-handing, but it's a relaxed roll. -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
I'd like to hear more about this too -- that is, to be clear, about the tendency of bikes to wander badly when climbing. I found the Sam Hillborne in particular to be very liable to this with a rear load, even compared to the 4 other Rivs I've owned. I'm very surprised at the number of Rivendell models pictured with huge baskets on the front. Does the front weight actually help the wandering? If I had put weight on the Sam Hill in front low riders, would things have been better? (I thought of doing this only after I sold the bike.) I've carried up to ~5 lb on my errand custom on a TA rack in front, and handling has been OK but I could feel it trying to take control of the front end. But that weight sat above the front fender. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately. This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop. http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu *Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. *Aristotle *The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. *Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Hi Mike, Yes thanks! Atlantis much more stable. And yes meeting Curtis for the O'Neill S240. Wish you could make it, as we'll be going over possible routes from PDX our Summer hub while eating burritos sipping cervezas. Possibilities: South down Oregon coast to Klamath Amtrak back to PDX. Hood River South through the Cascades (based on your PCT bike trail) to Klamath Amtrak back to PDX. OOB route. And then rest up in PDX a couple a days then head out on another route. ~Hugh Glad it helped and where are you going this weekend? Curtis's s24o? ~mike Carlsbad Ca On Tuesday, April 21, 2015 at 4:15:02 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: Mark, looks fantastic! Got me thinking about some future changes on my 'lantis. Love the White Industries cranks the TB's. RBW lister Mike Shiller recommended the Tange needle bearing head set to reduce front end shimmy. Installed it and the shimmy has been greatly reduced though not completely. Still haven't ridden it with a large front load so that'll be the real test this coming weekend. ~Hugh Los Angeles, CA On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 9:11:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: My curiosity was getting the better of me and I had to find out if I could squish even fatter knobbies into my Atlantis. I picked up a pair of Schwalbe Thunder Burt's in 2.25 and the fit with room to spare! I think I could actually get 2.3 or 2.35s in there! I also took the opportunity to change up a few other things - I have a 100cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem matched to some Soma Portola dirt drop bars, with some drillium-style NOS Shimano levers. I went out for 7 hours on Saturday and love the bars! I could have used some light gloves (and sunscreen for that matter), but overall I'm loving the setup. Riding in the drops is fantastic on single track and descending. The hoods are comfortable enough for long distance. I might raise the bars a smidge still, but we'll see. The brakes received an update after the old Avid Tri-Align's kept slipping. I'm using Paul Touring canti's, and they live up to their great reputation. They just work so well. Replaced the BB with a Phil Wood unit plus mud guards, as well as the road version of White Industries' cranks, which brought my Q down by a centimeter. Using this BB and crank, I think I could actually have got with a 116mm instead of 119mm. When it comes time to replace (in like...10 years), I'll shorten it. I also picked up a Sugino inner ring from Riv on their sale page. I've now got a 44/26 setup with an 11x36 cassette. I replaced my Ultegra front derailleur with an old Suntour Cyclone derailleur, which actually works much better than the Ultegra. The cage is also wider, meaning I don't need to trim as often. And last but not least, added a Velo Orange Mojave cage under the down tube with a 40oz Klean Kanteen bottle. Thirsty? Not anymore! This is the setup I'll be using for my 10-day tour in Oregon next month. Oh, and I also added a Mark's Rack to the back after the Bagman rack cracked. There you have it! The Fatlantis is even fatter, can climb higher, stop faster, shift better, spin smoother, support more weight, it's perfect! More on my Flickr page! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
I find that my Atlantii handle beautifully with a front and rear touring load with more weight on the back. In fact, they handle beautifully under almost any load. But I have noticed the front wheel wander with my Krampus, when I'm climbing hills that are close to my limit, when the bike is unloaded. The problem gets considerably less bad if I move the saddle forward and if I lean forward when climbing. It's annoying, though, because none of my Rivendells ever exhibit the problem. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 6:41 AM, Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I'd like to hear more about this too -- that is, to be clear, about the tendency of bikes to wander badly when climbing. I found the Sam Hillborne in particular to be very liable to this with a rear load, even compared to the 4 other Rivs I've owned. I'm very surprised at the number of Rivendell models pictured with huge baskets on the front. Does the front weight actually help the wandering? If I had put weight on the Sam Hill in front low riders, would things have been better? (I thought of doing this only after I sold the bike.) I've carried up to ~5 lb on my errand custom on a TA rack in front, and handling has been OK but I could feel it trying to take control of the front end. But that weight sat above the front fender. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately. This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop. http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a circumference on the rim of which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities revolve. Chuang Tzu Kinei hos eromenon. It moves as the being-loved. Aristotle The Love that moves the Sun and all the other stars. Dante -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine). If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the bars. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to keep it 'on course'? On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote: That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine). If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the bars. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.spin...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately. This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop. http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:38:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to keep it 'on course'? On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine). If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the bars. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Thanks, Mark, I have a fairly casual (non-aggressive) riding style and my rear load on my 56 seems almost invisible. A front load on my 650b Hilsen adds a noticeable wheel flop, probably due to the rather slack head angle. I'm thinking it would work better on the steeper Atlantis and will try it out soon. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Thanks, Mark, I have a fairly casual (non-aggressive) riding style and my rear load on my 56 seems almost invisible. A front load on my 650b Hilsen adds a noticeable wheel flop, probably due to the rather slack head angle. I'm thinking it would work better on the steeper Atlantis and will try it out soon. Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Ha. My street includes a 20 foot elevation change just over one block, and there is a 20+ foot steep hill right across from me in the forest. It's amazing how our geography changes our biking experiences. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 8:21:00 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Ahh, well...hah... I live in a province where there is maybe... a 20 foot elevation change over 100km. So... I have absolutely no clue. I'll find out in a couple weeks when I could to ride across Oregon :) On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately. This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop. http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:38:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to keep it 'on course'? On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com wrote: That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine). If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the bars. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Ahh, well...hah... I live in a province where there is maybe... a 20 foot elevation change over 100km. So... I have absolutely no clue. I'll find out in a couple weeks when I could to ride across Oregon :) On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 10:18 PM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote: Well, to be clear I don't have any weight on the rack right now. What I am referring to is the tendency of some bikes on ascents to have the wheel wander rather than maintain a straight line. One then makes minute steering corrections to counter this. While I have zero experiences with bikes with low trail front end geometry, I have read people stating that one advantage of such frames is that they require less effort to remain straight while climbing (especially while tired). Given that I live in the mountains, every ride involves multiple climbs and I have been thinking about it lately. This article calls it weaving as a result of high wheel flop. http://www.adventurecycling.org/default/assets/resources/20140601_MechanicalAdvantageTrail_Heine.pdf So I was wondering if the weight when placed on the small front rack would affect this tendency or be unnoticed. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:38:45 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: What do you mean by corrections? Do you mean having weight on the rack makes it difficult to maintain the line you've chosen? As in, the weight actively changes the course your bike is on and requires further input to keep it 'on course'? On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 4:34 PM, Dave C david.char...@gmail.com wrote: That's interesting. I have had the Nitto small front rack in the front for years, mainly to hold my light. I was wondering how a bag on top of the rack would contribute to wheel flop. On ascents, I definitely need to make small corrections (due to the high trail, I imagine). If I had a bag sitting on the front rack, not hanging on the bars, I gather that the bag would have less effect on steering than a heavy bag on the bars. On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 2:26:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: Chris, I forgot to address your question. I'm 100% for front-loading. Having a load in the rear is fine, but not on it's own in my experience. I find the bike very difficult to handle. Even when walking, if my saddle bag is heavily loaded the bike wants to fall over. Because it's so far from my handlebars, the bike acts almost like a lever, amplifying the bike's desire to pull away. When the weight is on the bars, it's right there, directly connected to the part of the bike I'm holding on to. I've ridden with 50 pounds in my Wald basket in the winter, felt fine. I've done some short tours with panniers stuffed to the gills and my basket or bar bag full, still felt easy to control. It steers a bit slower, but that's it. Having weight in the rear isn't much of an issue at all when I've got weight in the front too (like in the pictures here). it only feels awful to me when it's only in the rear. I should note that I've never tried riding with rear panniers only, it's always just been a rear saddle bag. All that weight does highlight the flex inherit in quill stems and 1 forks, but it doesn't bother me. On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 7:37 AM, Pondero cj.sp...@gmail.com wrote: Mark, your Atlantis remains an inspiration. Obviously, you are pleased with the current set-up, but I'm interested in your experiences with loading. So far, I've been using a rear bias for my Atlantis loading, but you seem to be doing well with three bags on the front end. Have you experimented and determined this to be optimal for you? Chris Johnson Sanger, Texas -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
Thanks Sean! Funny you say that, I always look at his Atlantis with admiration, and supposedly he does the same. He has great taste, if I may say so... On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM, sean seanobr...@hotmail.com wrote: Mark, you and Pondero have got to have the best looking Atlantai I've ever seen. The build definitely makes that frameset (which is already impressive) even more impressive and versatile. Wish I had to coin to add an Atlantis to the stable. My LHT seems a bit of a journeyman in comparison. Beautiful rig. Sean ATX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
NICE SETUP!!! Begs to be ridden!!! On Monday, April 20, 2015 at 10:52:40 AM UTC-4, Mark Reimer wrote: Thanks Sean! Funny you say that, I always look at his Atlantis with admiration, and supposedly he does the same. He has great taste, if I may say so... On Mon, Apr 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM, sean seano...@hotmail.com javascript: wrote: Mark, you and Pondero have got to have the best looking Atlantai I've ever seen. The build definitely makes that frameset (which is already impressive) even more impressive and versatile. Wish I had to coin to add an Atlantis to the stable. My LHT seems a bit of a journeyman in comparison. Beautiful rig. Sean ATX -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/7tIVmJWwctg/unsubscribe . To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: An even fatter (F)atlantis!
I believe that's a 58. What's the standover with those tires, Mark? Sent from my iPhone On Apr 20, 2015, at 13:37, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote: What size is that Atlantis? Did you get it a smaller size with the intention using it with fat tires? Do you have any issues with tighter trails and toe/wheel contact? On Sunday, April 19, 2015 at 9:11:27 PM UTC-7, Mark Reimer wrote: My curiosity was getting the better of me and I had to find out if I could squish even fatter knobbies into my Atlantis. I picked up a pair of Schwalbe Thunder Burt's in 2.25 and the fit with room to spare! I think I could actually get 2.3 or 2.35s in there! I also took the opportunity to change up a few other things - I have a 100cm Nitto Dirt Drop stem matched to some Soma Portola dirt drop bars, with some drillium-style NOS Shimano levers. I went out for 7 hours on Saturday and love the bars! I could have used some light gloves (and sunscreen for that matter), but overall I'm loving the setup. Riding in the drops is fantastic on single track and descending. The hoods are comfortable enough for long distance. I might raise the bars a smidge still, but we'll see. The brakes received an update after the old Avid Tri-Align's kept slipping. I'm using Paul Touring canti's, and they live up to their great reputation. They just work so well. Replaced the BB with a Phil Wood unit plus mud guards, as well as the road version of White Industries' cranks, which brought my Q down by a centimeter. Using this BB and crank, I think I could actually have got with a 116mm instead of 119mm. When it comes time to replace (in like...10 years), I'll shorten it. I also picked up a Sugino inner ring from Riv on their sale page. I've now got a 44/26 setup with an 11x36 cassette. I replaced my Ultegra front derailleur with an old Suntour Cyclone derailleur, which actually works much better than the Ultegra. The cage is also wider, meaning I don't need to trim as often. And last but not least, added a Velo Orange Mojave cage under the down tube with a 40oz Klean Kanteen bottle. Thirsty? Not anymore! This is the setup I'll be using for my 10-day tour in Oregon next month. Oh, and I also added a Mark's Rack to the back after the Bagman rack cracked. There you have it! The Fatlantis is even fatter, can climb higher, stop faster, shift better, spin smoother, support more weight, it's perfect! More on my Flickr page! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
