Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I think this was mentioned somewhere when I was preparing to buy my frame, couldn't find any mention of it on the present day hillborne page. Hasn't failed yet. I love my bike. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Monday, September 22, 2014 9:54:23 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Possibly correct, but completely beside the point of this topic. The Blug post in question appears to state tubes which in other Rivs are joined with lugs will be Tig welded. While there may be an outlier somewhere, dropouts typically are not joined to the chainstay with lugs. I am aware of no Riv that has lugged dropouts. Can you point to one? On Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:00:53 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: I think this was mentioned somewhere when I was preparing to buy my frame, couldn't find any mention of it on the present day hillborne page. Hasn't failed yet. I love my bike. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Monday, September 22, 2014 9:54:23 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Soma San Marcos has lugged dropouts on the rear. You can see the sockets in the 2nd and 3rd pictures on rivbike.com. On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Matthew J matthewj...@gmail.com wrote: Possibly correct, but completely beside the point of this topic. The Blug post in question appears to state tubes which in other Rivs are joined with lugs will be Tig welded. While there may be an outlier somewhere, dropouts typically are not joined to the chainstay with lugs. I am aware of no Riv that has lugged dropouts. Can you point to one? On Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:00:53 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: I think this was mentioned somewhere when I was preparing to buy my frame, couldn't find any mention of it on the present day hillborne page. Hasn't failed yet. I love my bike. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Monday, September 22, 2014 9:54:23 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Yeah, Kai, I bit on your comment My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. If you had said I think the rear dropout on my Sam Hillborne might be tig welded I wouldn't have bit. It's kind of hard to tell from your phone-photo, but it looks like your MUSA-Sam has the same rear dropouts as my Hilsen, which is an internal plug kind of lugged dropout. I wouldn't be surprised if that lump under the paint is brass. But it doesn't particularly matter either way. I'm sure it's bomber. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:00:53 AM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: I think this was mentioned somewhere when I was preparing to buy my frame, couldn't find any mention of it on the present day hillborne page. Hasn't failed yet. I love my bike. -Kai Brooklyn NY On Monday, September 22, 2014 9:54:23 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I don't think you sullied anything. I just misunderstood your original post. I apologize for misunderstanding it. Tig welding is awesome. My (Waterford) Gunnar is tig welded at all the frame tubing joints and is awesome. Your (Waterford) Sam might feature tig welds at the dropouts and is awesome. A future Rivendell with tig welded tubing joints will be awesome. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:28:40 AM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
All hail nonconsumable electrodes!! For real. Tig welds can be done right, or not. I myself only make bad ones. Thanks Bill, I never thought your misunderstanding was wrong, I'm often ununderstandable, sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Specifically, I thought Mr J's Possibly correct, but completely beside the point of this topic. wasn't altogether correct regarding my point that I was failing to make very clear, that's why I came out with the defensive tone. But this is a conversation, and ongoing. Thanks again for having it. And to stray, Mr.J, how much is too much spreading on a riv with plug brazed dropouts? Is 15mm insanity? probably. much obliged -Kai On Thursday, September 25, 2014 11:39:32 AM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I don't think you sullied anything. I just misunderstood your original post. I apologize for misunderstanding it. Tig welding is awesome. My (Waterford) Gunnar is tig welded at all the frame tubing joints and is awesome. Your (Waterford) Sam might feature tig welds at the dropouts and is awesome. A future Rivendell with tig welded tubing joints will be awesome. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 8:28:40 AM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
On 09/25/2014 12:25 PM, Kainalu wrote: All hail nonconsumable electrodes!! For real. Tig welds can be done right, or not. I myself only make bad ones. Thanks Bill, I never thought your misunderstanding was wrong, I'm often ununderstandable, sometimes on purpose, sometimes not. Are you doing it on purpose now? Or is the incomprehensibility accidental? Specifically, I thought Mr J's Possibly correct, but completely beside the point of this topic. wasn't altogether correct regarding my point that I was failing to make very clear, that's why I came out with the defensive tone. But this is a conversation, and ongoing. Thanks again for having it. And to stray, Mr.J, how much is too much spreading on a riv with plug brazed dropouts? Is 15mm insanity? probably. much obliged -Kai -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Not an untruth, but rather a beside the point. The post is in response to a Rivendell Blug comment that a new bike will Tig some joints that in other Rivs are lugged. There is no way Riv would have commented on this at all if the Tig welding in question was the rear dropouts. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:28:40 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I just saw TIG welding and assumed that referred to tig welding, not knowing that some tig welding isn't, or that it might be shouldn't when it wasn't. In other words, I read into what's been said as TIG is something Rivendell would never use, not knowing that TIG welding is something many folks use?, and occasionally choose not to acknowledge depending on it's position on a bike frame. But more importantly, I'm sorry to cause frustration by trying to argue what is admittedly a very very very small point. -Kai On Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:35:40 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Not an untruth, but rather a beside the point. The post is in response to a Rivendell Blug comment that a new bike will Tig some joints that in other Rivs are lugged. There is no way Riv would have commented on this at all if the Tig welding in question was the rear dropouts. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:28:40 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I stand by what I said, whatever it was I said. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 1:58:09 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: I just saw TIG welding and assumed that referred to tig welding, not knowing that some tig welding isn't, or that it might be shouldn't when it wasn't. In other words, I read into what's been said as TIG is something Rivendell would never use, not knowing that TIG welding is something many folks use?, and occasionally choose not to acknowledge depending on it's position on a bike frame. But more importantly, I'm sorry to cause frustration by trying to argue what is admittedly a very very very small point. -Kai On Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:35:40 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Not an untruth, but rather a beside the point. The post is in response to a Rivendell Blug comment that a new bike will Tig some joints that in other Rivs are lugged. There is no way Riv would have commented on this at all if the Tig welding in question was the rear dropouts. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:28:40 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Bring back good 'ol electro-forging I say! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote: I just saw TIG welding and assumed that referred to tig welding, not knowing that some tig welding isn't, or that it might be shouldn't when it wasn't. In other words, I read into what's been said as TIG is something Rivendell would never use, not knowing that TIG welding is something many folks use?, and occasionally choose not to acknowledge depending on it's position on a bike frame. But more importantly, I'm sorry to cause frustration by trying to argue what is admittedly a very very very small point. -Kai On Thursday, September 25, 2014 12:35:40 PM UTC-4, Matthew J wrote: Not an untruth, but rather a beside the point. The post is in response to a Rivendell Blug comment that a new bike will Tig some joints that in other Rivs are lugged. There is no way Riv would have commented on this at all if the Tig welding in question was the rear dropouts. On Thursday, September 25, 2014 10:28:40 AM UTC-5, Kainalu wrote: This thread seems to have started as a holy crap! Rivendell might introduce tig welding on their bikes!!. Nowhere did I see any statement to the effect that they may have already in the past. And I'm just saying that I thought I might have noticed a mention of it as a way to keep the cost down on the hillborne. I could be wrong. Anyways, if i did read that and it is in fact the case i remain unphased, as it is indeed very bomber. And apologies if I've sullied your thread and possibly spread an untruth. -Kai Brooklyn NY keep the rubber airborne and the dropouts groaning with strain -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 10:58:30 AM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote: Leslie, that's exactly what I trying to describe—thanks for the pic! Yup, I knew exactly what you were saying, and realized that that pic would show it glad I had it! On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:27:43 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote: But the language of the others when they went away was more dire than the way this break with the Hillborne is being described. The Rambouillet was being put to sleep and they said maybe it will be back, maybe it won't. It didn't sound hopeful. The Hillborne language is this is the last run for a couple of years. I don't think they ever said it this way for past bikes that went away. So I see it as a bit more hopeful. (I hope that nice new Hillborne brochure has some shelf life by still being relevant to future available bikes in a year or two.) The first Riv I rode was Steve Cheers' Sam. It clicked. They had Sams and Hilsens sitting there beside the Ram, and though maybe I should've picked a Sam or a Hilsen, I picked the Ram (Grant would rather have seen me on a Hilsen). The Hilsen added the longer-reach brakes to the Ram, so w/ larger tires, it could be more versatile. With the Hilsen, and the Roadeo available on the other end of that part of the bike spectrum, the Ram just wasn't a 'need to have around' anymore. But if a Hilsen or a Roadeo won't do, if someone just has to have a Ram, just hang out here on the list, watch eBay, C-list, one will turn up eventually. (Or get a custom spec'd to be a 'Ram'...) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I have a orange Rambouillet and love it still despite all the progress in the world of increased reach calipers and the potential for bigger tires under fender. It continues to be exactly what I was not finding in the open market, short of something custom. *The Rambouillet was being put to sleep and they said maybe it will be back, maybe it won't. It didn't sound hopeful*. My dog was put to sleep last year, it isn't hopeful other than providing a timely and peaceful end for a really good friend. Perhaps that perspective is comparable. Andy Cheatham PIttsburgh On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:27:43 PM UTC-4, James Warren wrote: But the language of the others when they went away was more dire than the way this break with the Hillborne is being described. The Rambouillet was being put to sleep and they said maybe it will be back, maybe it won't. It didn't sound hopeful. The Hillborne language is this is the last run for a couple of years. I don't think they ever said it this way for past bikes that went away. So I see it as a bit more hopeful. (I hope that nice new Hillborne brochure has some shelf life by still being relevant to future available bikes in a year or two.) -Jim W. -Original Message- From: cyclot...@gmail.com javascript: Sent: Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:21:37 PM UTC-4, danmc wrote: Legolas Bombadil - both available as special order but not part of the official lineup. FWIW, the curvastays on my Bombadil are brazed, and I never thought it detracted in any which way https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/6802019698/in/set-72157623199721925 -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Leslie, that's exactly what I trying to describe—thanks for the pic! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I'm psyched that I'm going to have a bike to recommend to friends who are looking for a bike. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
All of my griping aside I have never known Rivendell to make an ugly or less than functional bike or part. From what Grant is hinting at the bike should be so unique that tig weld here or there might go unnoticed, haha. Hey if it comes with horizontal dropouts Grant might be right and I would pick one up for an IGH townie!! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.paul...@gmail.com wrote: I'm psyched that I'm going to have a bike to recommend to friends who are looking for a bike. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
On 09/23/2014 05:19 PM, Mike wrote: On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:20:02 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so When I think of a Rivendell, I tend to think of a Grant's custom frames. I can't imagine one of those not being lugged. But with their other frames… I think it's fine. I feel like there's been contradictions in the RBW velosophy over the years. RBW has said they don't cater to racers yet they made the Legolas which was definitely a racer(ish) bike. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a disc equipped Rivendell or Grant designed bike at some point in the future. The perfect name for the hypothetical all-TIG welded, disk brake Rivendell: *The Shoeless Joe Jackson.** * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
RE: [RBW] Re: Blug post
ALL the cool kids will want a “Shoeless Joe”! From: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com [mailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Palincsar Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 5:28 PM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post On 09/23/2014 05:19 PM, Mike wrote: On Friday, September 19, 2014 1:20:02 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so When I think of a Rivendell, I tend to think of a Grant's custom frames. I can't imagine one of those not being lugged. But with their other frames… I think it's fine. I feel like there's been contradictions in the RBW velosophy over the years. RBW has said they don't cater to racers yet they made the Legolas which was definitely a racer(ish) bike. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised to see a disc equipped Rivendell or Grant designed bike at some point in the future. The perfect name for the hypothetical all-TIG welded, disk brake Rivendell: The Shoeless Joe Jackson. [cid:image001.jpg@01CFD754.04F84D40] -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.commailto:rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- This email (and any attachments thereto) is intended only for use by the addressee(s) named herein and may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this email (and any attachments thereto) is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error please immediately notify me at (212) 735-3000 and permanently delete the original email (and any copy of any email) and any printout thereof. Further information about the firm, a list of the Partners and their professional qualifications will be provided upon request. == -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
When you buy one, Peter, and need a pseudonym, let us know and we'll make up a good one. :-) On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:24:06 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: All of my griping aside I have never known Rivendell to make an ugly or less than functional bike or part. From what Grant is hinting at the bike should be so unique that tig weld here or there might go unnoticed, haha. Hey if it comes with horizontal dropouts Grant might be right and I would pick one up for an IGH townie!! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I'm psyched that I'm going to have a bike to recommend to friends who are looking for a bike. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Buck Naked On Sep 23, 2014 5:45 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: When you buy one, Peter, and need a pseudonym, let us know and we'll make up a good one. :-) On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:24:06 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: All of my griping aside I have never known Rivendell to make an ugly or less than functional bike or part. From what Grant is hinting at the bike should be so unique that tig weld here or there might go unnoticed, haha. Hey if it comes with horizontal dropouts Grant might be right and I would pick one up for an IGH townie!! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm psyched that I'm going to have a bike to recommend to friends who are looking for a bike. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote: I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
It cracks me up that you got referenced on the Blug. MP reversed. ;) On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:54:32 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Buck Naked On Sep 23, 2014 5:45 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: When you buy one, Peter, and need a pseudonym, let us know and we'll make up a good one. :-) On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:24:06 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: All of my griping aside I have never known Rivendell to make an ugly or less than functional bike or part. From what Grant is hinting at the bike should be so unique that tig weld here or there might go unnoticed, haha. Hey if it comes with horizontal dropouts Grant might be right and I would pick one up for an IGH townie!! On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Anne Paulson anne.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm psyched that I'm going to have a bike to recommend to friends who are looking for a bike. On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com wrote: I like that Grant states his confidence that nobody makes a bike like the Clem Smith Junior, and that by making it, Rivendell will make the world a little bit better. That's good enough for me. On Tuesday, September 23, 2014 11:10:05 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote: I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Anne Paulson It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
But the language of the others when they went away was more dire than the way this break with the Hillborne is being described. The Rambouillet was being "put to sleep" and they said maybe it will be back, maybe it won't. It didn't sound hopeful. The Hillborne language is "this is the last run for acouple of years." I don't think they ever said it this way forpast bikes that went away. So I see it as a bit more hopeful. (I hope that nice new Hillbornebrochure has some shelf life by still being relevant to future available bikes in a year or two.) -Jim W. -Original Message- From: "cyclotour...@gmail.com" <cyclotour...@gmail.com>Sent: Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items.Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone...On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust-- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Betcha' it will be determined by the popularity of upcoming models! Still, if you had a hankerin' for a Sam, now is the time to commit! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote: But the language of the others when they went away was more dire than the way this break with the Hillborne is being described. The Rambouillet was being put to sleep and they said maybe it will be back, maybe it won't. It didn't sound hopeful. The Hillborne language is this is the last run for a couple of years. I don't think they ever said it this way for past bikes that went away. So I see it as a bit more hopeful. (I hope that nice new Hillborne brochure has some shelf life by still being relevant to future available bikes in a year or two.) -Jim W. -Original Message- From: cyclotour...@gmail.com Sent: Sep 23, 2014 11:10 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post I can't think of a model that has been removed and then returned to the lineup. Maaaybe the Quickbeam, although I think that was more of a long wait between batches rather than going on an actual hiatus? Lego Bomba don't really count as they were/are available as off-menu items. Although happy to be proven otherwise, my operating assumption is that when they're gone, they're gone... On Monday, September 22, 2014 6:23:32 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
One last quote, then I will stop. If you can handle the cost of a high quality lugged steel frame, and you can get one that fits and is well-suited to the kind of riding you intend for it, then that's the way to go. You'll never look back on it and think, DangI wish it were tig-welded. On Sep 22, 2014 12:31 AM, Kainalu kaiviers...@gmail.com wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
On 09/22/2014 09:54 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite/Really?/ I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. I'd like to see that, too. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Peter I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand by offering a partially tig-welded bike. Is it just the hypocrisy of saying lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save money makes them look like sellouts, or something? Does the presence of non-lugged joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to buy a Rivendell, because the brand is less pure? Are you complaining that the resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of some tig joints? Are you opining that the general cycling public will now think less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line? Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet. I like the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a small business, so I worry for them. In my opinion, their best selling bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor. Visitors come in, they dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople. So you buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive. That used to be a $2500 Hillborne. Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith. I worry a little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year, and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their bottom line. I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be. I bet it's a really cool bike, and those who buy it will love it. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: From the site All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, California. Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no problem! On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com javascript: wrote: I'll add a small voice to the discussion: What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and sophisticated). Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged. On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I love Rivendell and the people but when your mantra for 20 years is Always lugged it seems a bit disingenuous now to say hey we have tig welded frame but its still a Rivendell right? I dont feel this affects me at all personally but so many companies have mission statements and whatnot and just go right back on what they said and this seems like more of the same. The question bill posits has merit but I will add another-will someone who wouldn't have bought a Sam or Chevy buy a Clem? Or will they just admire the bikes then go to Surly/Salsa/VO and get an even cheaper frame if there was no Clem at all. I just hate to see a race towards the bottom, if that's where this is going. More smart is the rollout of Silver branded tubes and whatnot. If they are going away from lugs on this project and theoretically bringing in new customers that would never have bought a Rivendell they need a hook that's more than a cheaper but still pricey for alot of people-bike. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: Peter I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand by offering a partially tig-welded bike. Is it just the hypocrisy of saying lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save money makes them look like sellouts, or something? Does the presence of non-lugged joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to buy a Rivendell, because the brand is less pure? Are you complaining that the resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of some tig joints? Are you opining that the general cycling public will now think less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line? Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet. I like the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a small business, so I worry for them. In my opinion, their best selling bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor. Visitors come in, they dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople. So you buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive. That used to be a $2500 Hillborne. Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith. I worry a little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year, and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their bottom line. I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be. I bet it's a really cool bike, and those who buy it will love it. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: From the site All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, California. Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no problem! On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'll add a small voice to the discussion: What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and sophisticated). Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged. On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the
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I appreciate the response, Peter. On Monday, September 22, 2014 10:11:42 AM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: I love Rivendell and the people but when your mantra for 20 years is Always lugged it seems a bit disingenuous now to say hey we have tig welded frame but its still a Rivendell right? I can understand that you feel that way. They celebrate being 100% lugs, but I've never read anywhere where they said TIG was bad. They just say lugs are more beautiful. They frequently tell their customers to buy an LHT if they don't want to pay for a Sam. Now that they have something that splits the difference feels more like an evolutionary survival step than a sell-out. I don't feel lied-to, but that's me. You get to react your way, and I have no problem with it. I dont feel this affects me at all personally but so many companies have mission statements and whatnot and just go right back on what they said and this seems like more of the same. The question bill posits has merit but I will add another-will someone who wouldn't have bought a Sam or Chevy buy a Clem? Or will they just admire the bikes then go to Surly/Salsa/VO and get an even cheaper frame if there was no Clem at all. I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they are discontinuing the Hillborne. I have no idea whether it will work. Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name your thing) will tend to buy cheaper things. The thing that VO Salsa and Surly still fail to offer is something that looks decent with high handlebars. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm talking about. If people want something with a traditional road bike silhouette but as cheap as possible, those people probably won't buy a Rivendell. If somebody comes in an discovers you can ride a quality bike that rides well and is COMFORTABLE, that transformative experience is what makes lifetime Riv customers. Also, unlike you and me, the majority of Riv customers want to buy a complete bike and just have it be done. Planning a build is an enormous headache for the majority of people. I just hate to see a race towards the bottom, if that's where this is going. That's an important IF. I'll give Rivendell the benefit of the doubt that we're not racing to the bottom. More smart is the rollout of Silver branded tubes and whatnot. If they are going away from lugs on this project and theoretically bringing in new customers that would never have bought a Rivendell they need a hook that's more than a cheaper but still pricey for alot of people-bike. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 12:48 PM, Bill Lindsay tape...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Peter I'm interested in the way(s) you think Rivendell is diluting their brand by offering a partially tig-welded bike. Is it just the hypocrisy of saying lugs lugs lugs all the time and now making an exception to save money makes them look like sellouts, or something? Does the presence of non-lugged joints in the Riv lineup now make you personally less likely to buy a Rivendell, because the brand is less pure? Are you complaining that the resale value of your own Rivendell has been damaged by the presence of some tig joints? Are you opining that the general cycling public will now think less of Rivendell and that will harm their bottom line? Personally I'm often a handwringer about Rivendell's balance sheet. I like the people, and I know what it's like to worry about the finances of a small business, so I worry for them. In my opinion, their best selling bikes are always the cheapest bikes on the floor. Visitors come in, they dig the vibe, they like the people, they like that you can get a nice comfortable reliable bike and not be race-vibed by the salespeople. So you buy the cheapest bike they offer because dang, they're expensive. That used to be a $2500 Hillborne. Now it'll be a $1500 Clem Smith. I worry a little that they can only get through a certain number of bikes per year, and the are going to drag down the average price, which might hurt their bottom line. I'm not worried about diluting the brand, but I'm not certain how good a business decision the Clem Smith may be. I bet it's a really cool bike, and those who buy it will love it. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: From the site All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, California. Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no problem! On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'll add a small
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On 09/22/2014 02:27 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they are discontinuing the Hillborne. I have no idea whether it will work. Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name your thing) will tend to buy cheaper things. The thing that VO Salsa and Surly still fail to offer is something that looks decent with high handlebars. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm talking about. If people want something with a traditional road bike silhouette but as cheap as possible, those people probably won't buy a Rivendell. If somebody comes in an discovers you can ride a quality bike that rides well and is COMFORTABLE, that transformative experience is what makes lifetime Riv customers. Also, unlike you and me, the majority of Riv customers want to buy a complete bike and just have it be done. Planning a build is an enormous headache for the majority of people. I truly hope Rivendell isn't becoming a bike company interested only in bikes with super high handlebars. As for the headaches in planning a build, it's not just the effort of picking and choosing, it's also the gouging you get when you buy the parts retail. You cannot buy even the group used on the built-up Surly LHT at retail for what a complete LHT costs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Super high is in the eye of the beholder. :-) Drop bars as high as yours, I call super high. It was transformative for me to test ride a Hillborne with drop bars level with the saddle. You knew all about that and I think never bought into really low bars. I cut my teeth in the 1980s when everyone wanted their bike to look like Greg Lemond's bike. I think you and I are the same size (SH = 75.5cm) and I used to ride 56cm bikes. That first Hillborne I rode changed my whole outlook, and I bought the frame pretty much on the spot. Since then, my whole stable evolved. My road bike still looks like a road bike, but it takes 32s and the bars are just a little below the stem, instead of 4 below. Like you, I want to see Riv continue to offer Atlantis/Hilsen/Roadeo as sensible drop bar bikes. That's still a kick-butt trifecta of models. I still think you could really have a ball on an Alba bike, or maybe even a Bosco bike. Maybe even a man-mixte. I am not holding my breath, though. On Monday, September 22, 2014 11:40:57 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/22/2014 02:27 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they are discontinuing the Hillborne. I have no idea whether it will work. Definitely the people looking for the absolute cheapest (name your thing) will tend to buy cheaper things. The thing that VO Salsa and Surly still fail to offer is something that looks decent with high handlebars. Ugly is in the eye of the beholder, but you know what I'm talking about. If people want something with a traditional road bike silhouette but as cheap as possible, those people probably won't buy a Rivendell. If somebody comes in an discovers you can ride a quality bike that rides well and is COMFORTABLE, that transformative experience is what makes lifetime Riv customers. Also, unlike you and me, the majority of Riv customers want to buy a complete bike and just have it be done. Planning a build is an enormous headache for the majority of people. I truly hope Rivendell isn't becoming a bike company interested only in bikes with super high handlebars. As for the headaches in planning a build, it's not just the effort of picking and choosing, it's also the gouging you get when you buy the parts retail. You cannot buy even the group used on the built-up Surly LHT at retail for what a complete LHT costs. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just something they wanted to do and are doing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Tell me Unicrown fork and I will plotz, haha On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 3:30 PM, J C jamesallyncar...@gmail.com wrote: I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just something they wanted to do and are doing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an undertube, and the undertube was not lugged. Itmight have been fillet-brazed.I still considered it a nice, lugged frame. I failed to find photos of that beauty online. Someone at Rivendell owned it, I believe. -Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com>Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post "My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. "I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap LindsayOn Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch.For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne. I have a shot of it in my flickr On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:20:15 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an undertube, and the undertube was not lugged. It might have been fillet-brazed. I still considered it a nice, lugged frame. I failed to find photos of that beauty online. Someone at Rivendell owned it, I believe. -Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Link to Jay's not-100-%-lugged Hillborne https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/6324307454/ On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:21:56 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote: That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne. I have a shot of it in my flickr -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Threadless stem? Let the guessing being!! :) On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:30:23 PM UTC-5, J C wrote: I had a glimpse of the frame. It has a lug, and my, what a lug it is. For those worried about the TIG welding there's another detail that might cause an uproar. I doubt this is the future direction they're headed, just something they wanted to do and are doing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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When I was waiting for my tentacular Bombadil in 2011, Keven told me the join where the diagatube meets the down tube and splits into mixte stays for the rear triangle was quite tricky to execute (I don't remember why), and the frame was sent from Waterford to Nobilette specifically for that joint. Maybe the new bike will have a diagatube with TIG weld(s) in this area? For what it's worth (not a huge deal in my opinion), looking closely for the first time, I think my 2011 Bombadil already has 4 TIG welds where the tentacular mixte stays join the diagatube and chain/seat stays. It's slightly different to the join in that area on the Cheviot. I don't know nothin' about nothin', but if this classifies as a not-fully-lugged frame, it's still Riv enough for me! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 09/22/2014 04:21 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote: That was Jay Ritchey's Hillborne. I have a shot of it in my flickr that certainly looks like fillet brazing On Monday, September 22, 2014 1:20:15 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote: A few years ago there was a yellow Hillborne that had an undertube, and the undertube was not lugged. It might have been fillet-brazed. I still considered it a nice, lugged frame. I failed to find photos of that beauty online. Someone at Rivendell owned it, I believe. -Original Message- From: Bill Lindsay Sent: Sep 22, 2014 6:54 AM To: rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript: Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. I'll bite*Really?* I'd love to see pictures of a tig welded Sam Hillborne. Bill fearing-he-got-trapped-in-a-rhetorical-trap Lindsay On Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:31:29 PM UTC-7, Kainalu wrote: My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they are discontinuing the Hillborne. Whoa just to clarify: no, the Hillborne isn't being discontinued. It's taking a vacation, perhaps but it'll be back. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/93350728279/sam-last-shot-long-time -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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yes, correct. only a vacation for a couple of years. maybe a sabbatical? leave of absence? sam will be back, i trust -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation? On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 9:07 PM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote: On Monday, September 22, 2014 2:27:25 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote: I think this may be exactly what Riv is betting on, especially since they are discontinuing the Hillborne. Whoa just to clarify: no, the Hillborne isn't being discontinued. It's taking a vacation, perhaps but it'll be back. http://rivbike.tumblr.com/post/93350728279/sam-last-shot-long-time -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation? Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-ZWpG3F0UV5I/VCDUJsLaG7I/AD4/MmbOKzZp-R4/s1600/Team_ForkEnd.jpg https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-52sughhrTx4/VCDT9SPTwUI/ADw/gmyMoXPoJAE/s1600/BB_Rambouillet.jpg https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-e6_51UYLa8c/VCDUnyygpYI/AEA/-NDC7td-o34/s1600/BB_AllRounder.jpg I thought I'd share some interesting photos in regard to the lug / non-lugged discussion: First is the bottom bracket area of my '99 All-Rounder. Notice that the down tube and seat tube are lugged, but the chain stays are fillet brazed. Yet the chain stay *brace *does feature a little mini-lug. Second is the bottom bracket of my '06 Rambouillet, which is the exact opposite: The chainstays are lugged, but the brace is merely brazed. Third is the fork from an '89 Stumpjumper Team, which features lugged drop-outs. I've kept it all these years because I think it's beautiful, and hope to find a second use for it some day. (I wasn't aware of Bridgestone in 1990, when I bought it.) To my knowledge, no Rivendell model has ever featured something like this. The point of all this is that it's probable that no Rivendell has EVER been 100% lugged, and I don't think it detracts anything. I think it's actually kind of interesting. Whether the Clem is 80% or 50% or 20% lugged is a non-issue to me. I'm betting that it will be beautiful and unique. You know what does get me excited though? It's this: *...A fat-tired towny bike with touring and trail possibilities...* Now THAT'S something I can use. Truth is that it would be pretty hard for me to ever rationally justify buying any of the models in the current lineup. Whether it be a Sam, or a Homer or a Roadeo or an Atlantis, there's just too much overlap with these two bikes that I already own and love and would never consider selling. (A Hunquapillar perhaps, when they offer the in-between sizes, but that's another topic altogether.) But something completely different - with fattest tires, long chain stays, no front derailleur, and not too precious to leave outside the grocery store sounds GREAT to me!! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Rivendell is not diluting the brand nor has it been lugs, lugs, lugs for the last 20 years. Go back to the early years 94-96ish and there are several instances where Grant mentions the possibility of a TIG frame. I think as Rivendell matured they adopted the always lugged mantra simply because that is what they were known for and up to that point had not actually made anything else. So almost from the beginning there was talk of a TIG bike and then that talk faded but couldn't it be argued that making a TIG bike is actually perfectly in line with the original vision of Rivendell and a COMPLETION rather than a DILUTION of the brand? I would go back and find the quotes from the early readers but don't have the time/ can't be bothered with something that matters so little to me. PS: There is also an early mention of the Bleriot as a coupled travel bike. This was pre-650b. I always assumed that was the deal with the airplane theme. Cheers! Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Legolas Bombadil - both available as special order but not part of the official lineup. Dan On Sep 22, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation? Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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To be fair, I think the Ram was the only model from that list which was billed as someday returning. Romulus/Redwood became a project which wasn't viable financially; Glorius/Wilbury the same, but they were morphed into simpler mixtes; and Saluki was absorbed into the Hilsen brand. On Monday, September 22, 2014 7:00:33 PM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote: On 09/22/2014 09:26 PM, Goshen Peter wrote: Havent other Rivendell models gone on an permanent vacation? Rambouillet, Redwood, Saluki, two 650B mixtes, Romulus -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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What I think is being neglected here is that Riv doesn't actually make frames. The companies that make Riv-brand frames make frames for other brands too. Most of those other brands use TIG welding, which is fine for them. But then Riv comes along, with a relatively small order, and the guys and gals on the assembly line suddenly have to put their usual tools away and get out the seldom used brazing torches. It might be a little more costly to lug any given joint rather than TIG it, but it's a lot more costly (and probably annoying) to have to retool the usual operation for a relatively small order. I would imagine that the fabrication company would be inclined back-burner Riv's orders until a slow day when they have nothing better to do, and then they'll charge a lot just for the added hassle of having to switch to an unusual procedure. That's the true added cost for a lugged frame in 2014. Thirty or forty years ago, even relatively cheap frames were lugged. Today, the lugged frame is a novelty. To sell a high quality complete bike for $1500, it's more a matter of economy of scale, rather than finding a slightly cheaper way to make the frame tubes stick together. At dealer wholesale pricing on parts, I can't buy a Surly LHT frame and decent parts and expect to make a profit at $1500 retail. But Surly buys a few thousand frames and parts kits, so they can wholesale me a complete bike, and still leave enough margin for me to make a decent profit at the $1350 msrp. Riv is unlikely to compete with Surly on volume, but Riv can probably compete with the LHT quality and price at lower volumes simply because Riv mostly sells directly to customers, and doesn't have to account for a dealer profit margin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Waterford is not only making lugged bikes for Rivendell, I wouldn't think it's quite as dramatic as you make it out to be, to make a small lugged order. I would guess they have people doing lugged every day. On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 11:48 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery thill@gmail.com wrote: What I think is being neglected here is that Riv doesn't actually make frames. The companies that make Riv-brand frames make frames for other brands too. Most of those other brands use TIG welding, which is fine for them. But then Riv comes along, with a relatively small order, and the guys and gals on the assembly line suddenly have to put their usual tools away and get out the seldom used brazing torches. It might be a little more costly to lug any given joint rather than TIG it, but it's a lot more costly (and probably annoying) to have to retool the usual operation for a relatively small order. I would imagine that the fabrication company would be inclined back-burner Riv's orders until a slow day when they have nothing better to do, and then they'll charge a lot just for the added hassle of having to switch to an unusual procedure. That's the true added cost for a lugged frame in 2014. Thirty or forty years ago, even relatively cheap frames were lugged. Today, the lugged frame is a novelty. To sell a high quality complete bike for $1500, it's more a matter of economy of scale, rather than finding a slightly cheaper way to make the frame tubes stick together. At dealer wholesale pricing on parts, I can't buy a Surly LHT frame and decent parts and expect to make a profit at $1500 retail. But Surly buys a few thousand frames and parts kits, so they can wholesale me a complete bike, and still leave enough margin for me to make a decent profit at the $1350 msrp. Riv is unlikely to compete with Surly on volume, but Riv can probably compete with the LHT quality and price at lower volumes simply because Riv mostly sells directly to customers, and doesn't have to account for a dealer profit margin. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Keep the metal side up and the rubber side down! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I don't think we're talking about Waterford when we're discussing a hypothetical $1500 complete bike. But anyway, there is undoubtedly something that makes a Taiwan Sam frame retail for nearly 3x as much as a Taiwan Cross-check frame even without the added margin built in for the typical distributor-dealer arrangement. Is the large price differential in the lugs or the small orders or a bit of both? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I could care less about how many lugs there are. A more affordable Rivendell is something that I think is needed. THat said I think that $1500 is over the mark for what I would consider an entry level point. Once I hit that price or more I would look at saving the extra for a step up model or even a used Sam. With cheaper wheels, no FD, cheaper pedals, a cheap RD and such you could probably get a Sam under $2k. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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I'm sure the Rivendell ethos will survive despite of the absence of lugs. I had a Surly steamroller that was tig welded and it was a lovely bike. As I recall it had a lugged fork and some nice dropouts. So many brands get diluted with crap products but I can't ever see that happening with Riv as long as Grant is drawing breath. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:25:08 AM UTC-7, Johnny Alien wrote: I could care less about how many lugs there are. A more affordable Rivendell is something that I think is needed. THat said I think that $1500 is over the mark for what I would consider an entry level point. Once I hit that price or more I would look at saving the extra for a step up model or even a used Sam. With cheaper wheels, no FD, cheaper pedals, a cheap RD and such you could probably get a Sam under $2k. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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From the site All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, California. Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no problem! On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'll add a small voice to the discussion: What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and sophisticated). Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged. On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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The best way to make sure you try something in the future is to say that you'll never do it. See also: Straight Edge, Hardcore Dieting of any type (Vegan, Paleo, anything in between), DIY, Drone Strikes The list goes on. -J, tongue placed firmly in cheek. On Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:07:01 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: From the site All our bikes have lugged steel frames, which makes 95 percent of the country think they’re old-fashioned and slow (not true), and 4.5 percent think they’re homages to the past; also not true. Lugged steel is the strongest and most beautiful way to make bicycle frames and we've been doing nothing but lugged steel for almost 20 here in Walnut Creek, California. Not my words, I guess the site/philosophy will just have to be amended, no problem! On Sep 21, 2014 7:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com javascript: wrote: I'll add a small voice to the discussion: What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and sophisticated). Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged. On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Very, very well put Mobile Bill Sent from my iPhone On Sep 21, 2014, at 4:47 PM, Mobile Bill wfi...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'll add a small voice to the discussion: What is it that Riv does for the bike market? I love my lugs, wouldn't trade em, but I'd have to say that lugs are only a very small, and perhaps insignificant reason for buying another Riv. Riv's overall design leadership and thoughtfulness is one. Many of the factors that once made Riv distinctive have been adopted by other bike designers -- ranging from tire capacity to chainstay length to general disregard for racebike design doctrine. But much about Riv remains distinctive. When I compare other bikes, I have to wonder whether the manufacturers will have thought as carefully about fit, and about handlebar placement relative to seat height, and about how to make the bike genuinely useful in multiple situations. There are other semi-custom bike designers and dispensers who use TIG exclusively, and I'd be happy to buy those bikes, except I've tried em, and they have an unpleasant feel or fit or they have limited use, because their design philosophy is different (and often much less thoughtful and sophisticated). Riv being Riv isn't about 100 percent lugged. On Friday, September 19, 2014 3:20:02 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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My Sam Hillborne's tig welded. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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As does a former brazer/painter there, Mike Flanigan of ANT Bike. He's building me a TIGed 3-speed, although he does fillet and lugs, too. I'm with Bill Gibson on the lugged thing: I like lugs, but don't consider it The Only Way anymore. I told Grant eons ago that a lower-cost TIGed bike designed by him would be a cool option. He was reticent at the time, but it was a long time ago and the world of lugged frames (and their cost) has changed a lot since then. I think a partially-TIGed Riv is a great idea. Joe Bernard Vallejo, CA. On Friday, September 19, 2014 9:35:37 PM UTC-7, Peter M wrote: Independent fabrication also makes beautiful steel bikes. On Sep 19, 2014 11:18 PM, jpp past...@notes.udayton.edu javascript: wrote: Honestly I like the idea. I think it is just impossible to produce a fully lugged bike under $2k. I have always felt there was a market for something less expensive than a Riv but a little nicer than a surly. On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:20:02 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bun...@googlegroups.com javascript:. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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And IF's start at about $2300 for a frame/fork, so they're not exactly saving pennies by forgoing lugs. Gunnars are over $1000 now for a frame. If Riv can get a complete bike with a few key lugs (my guess: fork, head tube ends, seat cluster, no BB), for $1500, that's a great deal. That's about what a complete Surly costs. Eric Daume Dublin, OH On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 12:35 AM, Goshen Peter uscpeter11...@gmail.com wrote: Independent fabrication also makes beautiful steel bikes. On Sep 19, 2014 11:18 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote: Honestly I like the idea. I think it is just impossible to produce a fully lugged bike under $2k. I have always felt there was a market for something less expensive than a Riv but a little nicer than a surly. On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:20:02 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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On 09/20/2014 06:57 AM, Eric Daume wrote: And IF's start at about $2300 for a frame/fork, so they're not exactly saving pennies by forgoing lugs. Gunnars are over $1000 now for a frame. If Riv can get a complete bike with a few key lugs (my guess: fork, head tube ends, seat cluster, no BB), for $1500, that's a great deal. That's about what a complete Surly costs. It's surprising how many modern labor-saving shortcuts (TIG welding, threadless headsets, external-bearing cranks, 3-sizes-fit-all, molded carbon fiber frames to name a few) don't seem to result in any savings being passed down to customers. And it's especially shocking when a production Trek frame can cost significantly more than a Peter Weigle custom. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Are external bearing cranks supposed to be less expensive to make? Why is that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
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Ted, I don't think they're necessarily less expensive to make, just quicker and easier for assembly.1-2-3 done! Cheers, David it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride. - Seth Vidal On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 6:35 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: Are external bearing cranks supposed to be less expensive to make? Why is that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
The savings would be in bottom bracket inventory--you can use the same crank for 68mm and 73mm bottom bracket shells. Eric On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 9:35 AM, ted ted.ke...@comcast.net wrote: Are external bearing cranks supposed to be less expensive to make? Why is that? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I agree, 'specially as, IMO, it's not the pretty lugs that make Rivs to be Rivs, but the ride qualities and the details. By all means, let us evangelize (goddamn business buzzword, pimps for profit -- but never mind; I write upper end resumes for a living and I am dismally familiar with the current buzzwordery) the Riv Ride with a model affordable by more people. At least any such model will have these Riv qualities: Good ride qualities. Sturdy build. Quality in every aspect. Nice esthetics. Little marketing bullshit, and what there is of it will be whimsically contrarian. On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote: I say let Rivendell be Rivendell. If they need to sell a TIG welded frame to stay in business, then YES that's what they should do. I don't want Grant Crew to be a lugs-only boutique shop if that also means they go out of business. Let them innovate and experiment, I don't think they're going to abandon their roots and aesthetics in the process. My money is on them carrying this off, if not perfectly, then at least quite well, and I have no doubt there will still be fully-lugged steel frames in their standard line, and through their custom fabrications. - Andrew, Berkeley Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
You mean shill ? But otherwise, spot on. Patrick Moore bertin...@gmail.com wrote: I agree, 'specially as, IMO, it's not the pretty lugs that make Rivs to be Rivs, but the ride qualities and the details. By all means, let us evangelize (goddamn business buzzword, pimps for profit -- but never mind; I write upper end resumes for a living and I am dismally familiar with the current buzzwordery) the Riv Ride with a model affordable by more people. At least any such model will have these Riv qualities: Good ride qualities. Sturdy build. Quality in every aspect. Nice esthetics. Little marketing bullshit, and what there is of it will be whimsically contrarian. On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 3:55 PM, BSWP ashtab...@gmail.com wrote: I say let Rivendell be Rivendell. If they need to sell a TIG welded frame to stay in business, then YES that's what they should do. I don't want Grant Crew to be a lugs-only boutique shop if that also means they go out of business. Let them innovate and experiment, I don't think they're going to abandon their roots and aesthetics in the process. My money is on them carrying this off, if not perfectly, then at least quite well, and I have no doubt there will still be fully-lugged steel frames in their standard line, and through their custom fabrications. - Andrew, Berkeley Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
and this has what to do with the new tig welded clem? On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 5:59 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: Whoa! 2nd potentially offensive post by RBW in the last few weeks. As much as I love RBW (and I do, I think they make great bikes and seem like gentle and kind people), I didn't enjoy being told by them (in that Hiawatha post) that my ancestors genocided the Native Americans: * -Many of your ancestors were still in favor or wiping out the Indians, and were actively pursuing this goal. * *I respectfully submit that they don't know my ancestors, and perhaps* RBW really meant to say: *Many of you had ancestors who were still..., so as not to accuse everyones' ancestors.* *Of course, it would have been best to just say that there were ...people who **were still in favor or wiping out the Indians, and were actively pursuing this goal. * Maybe this is not even worth mentioning. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
All this pother has moved me to go look into this controversial post. Will report. After getting back ... Yes, I -- who find it hard to get indignant about such things -- even I find the phrase a bit offensive, and I'm half Asian. (Don't know if it's the good or the bad half.) But, still, it's avery small tempest in a very small pot. Seriously, the very typical foot-in-mouth syndrome so common to us all is a source of so much innocent laughter. Patrick half 'little brown brother*' Moore *As Wm Howard Taft described the colonized Filipinos, meaning well but not quite getting it right. On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 4:43 PM, lungimsam john11.2...@gmail.com wrote: I have removed the post. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Resumes, LinkedIn profiles, bios, and letters that get interviews. By-the-hour resume and LinkedIn coaching. Other professional writing services. http://www.resumespecialties.com/ www.linkedin.com/in/patrickmooreresumespec/ Patrick Moore Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique, Vereinigte Staaten * * Where you come from is gone, where you thought you were going to never was there, and where you are is no good unless you can get away from it. Where is there a place for you to be? No place.* * Nothing outside you can give you any place, he said. You needn't to look at the sky because it's not going to open up and show no place behind it. You needn't to search for any hole in the ground to look through into somewhere else. You can't go neither forwards nor backwards into your daddy's time nor your children's if you have them. In yourself right now is all the place you've got. If there was any Fall, look there, if there was any Redemption, look there, and if you expect any Judgment, look there, because they all three will have to be in your time and your body and where in your time and your body can they be?* * Where in your time and your body has Jesus redeemed you? he cried. Show me where because I don't see the place. If there was a place where Jesus had redeemed you that would be the place for you to be, but which of you can find it?” -- *Flannery O'Connor,* Wise Blood * -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
I think that's a Gunnar. I have two lovely ones. And a riv. Good for riv for trying something new. No doubt it will be a nice riding bike. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 19, 2014, at 9:18 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote: Honestly I like the idea. I think it is just impossible to produce a fully lugged bike under $2k. I have always felt there was a market for something less expensive than a Riv but a little nicer than a surly. On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:20:02 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [RBW] Re: Blug post
Independent fabrication also makes beautiful steel bikes. On Sep 19, 2014 11:18 PM, jpp paste...@notes.udayton.edu wrote: Honestly I like the idea. I think it is just impossible to produce a fully lugged bike under $2k. I have always felt there was a market for something less expensive than a Riv but a little nicer than a surly. On Friday, September 19, 2014 4:20:02 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote: A Tig welded Rivendell? say it aint so -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/rbw-owners-bunch. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
