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I'm not bringing a tent mild temps and no rain cowboy camping for 
me.  And the skeeters don't really care for me anyway.

~mike





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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread David Yu Greenblatt

Howdy, I would like to join you guys. I don't currently own a Riv but I am
a FOM (Friend of Manny, with pics to prove it: http://flic.kr/p/dzJi7d
http://flic.kr/p/dZu6Ym).
I just moved to San Diego from San Francisco and would like to make new
bike riding and beer drinking buddies.

I should be able to depart Carmel Valley around 4PM (eye appt at 1PM and
need to recover from eye dilation). Anybody passing through North County
San Diego around then? Esteban, what route are you riding?

What is the current head count? Should I book a second campsite?

Looking forward to meeting you all.

- David Greenblatt

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

Tom,

No worries about my dinner it was no big deal setting things up. Either
Sonny's or P.P. work for me. Esteban glad you can make it, looking forward
to meeting you. Same goes for you Tom. Mike that's cause mosquitoes like
me! No Cowboy camping for me. I'll bring a lock. Tom I'll stash my stuff at
camp in my tent another reason to bring a tent.

~Hugh

On Monday, August 19, 2013 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I
really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his
bike.

Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for
all of his trouble setting this event up.

Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining? I
have not owned a bike lock since grade school. Since I left grade school,
my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight.

Do you leave your gear back in camp?

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

SoCal Rivesters,

I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
date before the Labor Day weekend.

Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Thanks for looking,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Beer first. Food second. Wait...is beer food?

On Monday, August 19, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:

 Sonny's Pizza and Pasta is one of my all-time faves... they know how
 to cook with garlic!

 Carbonara is great as well, but a touch on the fancy side for a bunch
 of sweaty bike campers.

 I love Pizza Port. Good salads and I'm happy with their pizzas. And
 did anyone say beer?

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  Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good
 beer
 
  but avg. pizza... any other ideas?
 
  ~mike
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Hugh Smitham

Hi David,

Any friend of Manny's is our friend. You will make 11 if my count is
correct. 8 with Esteban, two grandfathered in with David Estes, and you.
The camp limit is for 8 but I'm good with 11. Does anyone else have any
thoughts on this? Doug?

~Hugh

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM, David Yu Greenblatt
david.yu.greenbl...@gmail.com wrote:

Howdy, I would like to join you guys. I don't currently own a Riv but I am
a FOM (Friend of Manny, with pics to prove it: http://flic.kr/p/dzJi7d
http://flic.kr/p/dZu6Ym).
I just moved to San Diego from San Francisco and would like to make new
bike riding and beer drinking buddies.

I should be able to depart Carmel Valley around 4PM (eye appt at 1PM and
need to recover from eye dilation). Anybody passing through North County
San Diego around then? Esteban, what route are you riding?

What is the current head count? Should I book a second campsite?

Looking forward to meeting you all.

- David Greenblatt

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

Tom,

No worries about my dinner it was no big deal setting things up. Either
Sonny's or P.P. work for me. Esteban glad you can make it, looking forward
to meeting you. Same goes for you Tom. Mike that's cause mosquitoes like
me! No Cowboy camping for me. I'll bring a lock. Tom I'll stash my stuff at
camp in my tent another reason to bring a tent.

~Hugh

On Monday, August 19, 2013 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I
really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his
bike.

Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for
all of his trouble setting this event up.

Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining?
I have not owned a bike lock since grade school. Since I left grade
school, my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight.

Do you leave your gear back in camp?

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

SoCal Rivesters,

I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
date before the Labor Day weekend.

Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Thanks for looking,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread dougP

At 11 a second site seems a good idea, if we can get one. In the past,
we've gotten 2 sites (adjacent) and usually had 12-15 campers.

Locks: I always carry a lock for such situations. As David points out, we
can lash several together. Few thieves can lift 3-4 Rivendells at once.

Tent: Probably optional. Mine sets up quickly so I've never felt like
skipping it. No bugs that I'm aware of around there but they don't bother
me.

dougP

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:39:38 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Hi David,

~Hugh

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 10:49 AM, David Yu Greenblatt
david.yu@gmail.com javascript: wrote:

Howdy, I would like to join you guys. I don't currently own a Riv but I
am a FOM (Friend of Manny, with pics to prove it:
http://flic.kr/p/dzJi7d http://flic.kr/p/dZu6Ym).
I just moved to San Diego from San Francisco and would like to make new
bike riding and beer drinking buddies.

I should be able to depart Carmel Valley around 4PM (eye appt at 1PM and
need to recover from eye dilation). Anybody passing through North County
San Diego around then? Esteban, what route are you riding?

What is the current head count? Should I book a second campsite?

Looking forward to meeting you all.

- David Greenblatt

On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 9:53 AM, hsmitham hughs...@gmail.comjavascript:
wrote:

Tom,

No worries about my dinner it was no big deal setting things up. Either
Sonny's or P.P. work for me. Esteban glad you can make it, looking forward
to meeting you. Same goes for you Tom. Mike that's cause mosquitoes like
me! No Cowboy camping for me. I'll bring a lock. Tom I'll stash my stuff at
camp in my tent another reason to bring a tent.

~Hugh

On Monday, August 19, 2013 8:13:25 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

Hugh's turkey chili looks delicious, and I don't want to dis him, but I
really don't want to burden him with portaging it down from Irvine on his
bike.

Recommend we pass the hat for Hugh's dining and liquid refreshment for
all of his trouble setting this event up.

Just out of interest, how do you folks secure your bikes while dining?
I have not owned a bike lock since grade school. Since I left grade
school, my policy has been to never let my bike out of my sight.

Not sure about the bike parking situation.

Do you leave your gear back in camp?

Best regards,

Tom

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

SoCal Rivesters,

I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site,
a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
good
date before the Labor Day weekend.

Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Thanks for looking,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

I'd think we'd make nice with the Rangers if we had two sites. I'm not sure 
about San Mateo but some State Campgrounds are picky about that.  
Of course we can just wing it if there are empty sites and pay for an extra 
is it's an issue.

boy this is turning into a shindig!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

looks like all the San Mateo sites are booked for  Friday right now... we 
will have to chance it and hope they don't notice.

~mike

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:46:31 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd think we'd make nice with the Rangers if we had two sites. I'm not 
 sure about San Mateo but some State Campgrounds are picky about that.  
 Of course we can just wing it if there are empty sites and pay for an 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Esteban

Is there a hiker/biker site that is unexploited? 

David - great to hear from you. Email me protorio at gmail to see if we can 
hook up on the way north. I depart earlier, but who knows!

And when is the trip to Sonny's (love it)/Pizza Port (also love it) 
scheduled for?

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:53:43 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 looks like all the San Mateo sites are booked for  Friday right now... we 
 will have to chance it and hope they don't notice.

 ~mike

 On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 4:46:31 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 I'd think we'd make nice with the Rangers if we had two sites. I'm not 
 sure about San Mateo but some State Campgrounds are picky about that.  
 Of course we can just wing it if there are empty sites and pay for an 
 extra is it's an issue.

 boy this is turning into a shindig!

 ~mike






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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread cyclotourist

Just me, my two peeps are not available. So just nine total, correct?

San Clemente State Beach has a pretty much unlimited HB site: It's the
median between the two main one way roads. Not pretty, but gets the
job done.

I've decided to go tentless. That's just how I roll.

On 8/20/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 no such thing at San Mateo Esteban. There are precious few H/B sites in So
 Cal...Doheny and San Elijo I think are the only two.

 There are available sites at the Bluff campground, but they are too close
 to the freeway and not very nice. A few miles away from San Mateo too.

 Hopefully the Rangers will be OK with this for one night.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Not officially. It was closed a few years ago. Too many bicycling hobo's I 
believe. 

~mike

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:50:11 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just me, my two peeps are not available. So just nine total, correct? 

 San Clemente State Beach has a pretty much unlimited HB site: It's the 
 median between the two main one way roads. Not pretty, but gets the 
 job done. 

 I've decided to go tentless. That's just how I roll. 

 On 8/20/13, Mike Schiller mikey...@rocketmail.com javascript: wrote: 
  no such thing at San Mateo Esteban. There are precious few H/B sites in 
 So 
  Cal...Doheny and San Elijo I think are the only two. 
  
  There are available sites at the Bluff campground, but they are too 
 close 
  to the freeway and not very nice. A few miles away from San Mateo too. 
  
  Hopefully the Rangers will be OK with this for one night. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-20 Thread Hugh Smitham

Then were good. David Greenblatt will make it 9 I think we'll be fine with
9 :-)

~Hugh




On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 5:50 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 Just me, my two peeps are not available. So just nine total, correct?

 San Clemente State Beach has a pretty much unlimited HB site: It's the
 median between the two main one way roads. Not pretty, but gets the
 job done.

 I've decided to go tentless. That's just how I roll.

 On 8/20/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
  no such thing at San Mateo Esteban. There are precious few H/B sites in
 So
  Cal...Doheny and San Elijo I think are the only two.
 
  There are available sites at the Bluff campground, but they are too close
  to the freeway and not very nice. A few miles away from San Mateo too.
 
  Hopefully the Rangers will be OK with this for one night.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread Hugh Smitham

I could make this at home and reheat @ site. Let me know if you guy's would
be into this. I have a small soft insulated cooler which should keep it
fresh.
http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/turkey-black-bean-chili-5040109252/ Also
don't know if anyone has diet restrictions.

~Hugh




On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ahem.  Adult beverages.  Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have
 you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be
 the ticket.  Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice
 on top of my teetering load.  Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side
 locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission.

 It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I
 am good with either.  Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much.
  Take out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and
 collaborative breakfast is also an option.  I am pretty easy to please,
 just need to know what we are doing.

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread Curtis McKenzie

I could bring disposable bowls and spoons for all if we elect to go with
Hugh's chili offer.

On Monday, August 19, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 I could make this at home and reheat @ site. Let me know if you guy's
 would be into this. I have a small soft insulated cooler which should keep
 it fresh.
 http://www.myrecipes.com/recipe/turkey-black-bean-chili-5040109252/ Also
 don't know if anyone has diet restrictions.

 ~Hugh




 On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Tom Virgil 
 tevir...@gmail.comjavascript:_e({}, 'cvml', 'tevir...@gmail.com');
  wrote:

 Ahem.  Adult beverages.  Thinking that a beer run (or wine or what have
 you) back into town after unloading and setting up camping gear might be
 the ticket.  Can't see myself toting 12 pack (need enough to share) and ice
 on top of my teetering load.  Don't like shopping and leaving bike out side
 locked or unlocked, so would prefer a partner on such a mission.

 It the prevailing desire is for a Riv dinner in town or group campout, I
 am good with either.  Just need to know ahead so I don't pack too much.
  Take out for dinner (bring to camp on adult beverage foray) and
 collaborative breakfast is also an option.  I am pretty easy to please,
 just need to know what we are doing.

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Excellent. Dinner out.

On Monday, August 19, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 I'm with Curtis, Doug  David lets do dinner out.

 ~Hugh




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 My vote is with the plan that cyclotourist proposed.  Seems we are close
 to eating establishments so why not?  I do understand the fun of cooking in
 camp, but when restaurants are close by and local knowledge  is among us
 restaurants win for me. However, if some are set for camp cooking I can do
 that as well.

 Will be in Portland today. The Portland in Maine however.

 On Sunday, August 18, 2013, cyclotourist wrote:

  We're getting in pretty early Fri, so might be worth it to ride back
 into town for group dinner when everyone arrives?

 Easy camp breakfast, ride, then second breakfast at the pier
 restaurant would be my vote. Sorta' iconic, and pretty reasonable in
 price  quality for that sort of a place.

 On 8/18/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
  Hugh:
 
  Knowing your camp cooking skills (and depending on them!)  I'll vote for
  dinner in camp.  I'm hopeless in the kitchen but an eager volunteer for
  simple tasks, given adult supervision (caveat:  my wife restricts my
  participation to lighting the grill and cleaning up; she does not
 entrust
  me with sharp objects).  However, I'm more than willing to contribute
 some
  adult beverages to the festivities.
 
  On the AM side, I gotta make coffee before getting on the bike anyway,
  am
 
  happy with PB on bagels  fruit.  Suggest a camp breakfast, ride
 David's No
 
  Tools route, then possible second breakfast / brunch on the way home.
 
  Just my ideas.  Look forward to hearing what others think.
 
  dougP
 
  On Sunday, August 18, 2013 8:17:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  Curtis,
 
  I was planning on bringing the food thing up good timing...What's the
  consensus? Do we make camp then ride into SC for dinner then make our
 own
 
  Breakfast before the single track? Or do we want to do a group dinner?
  Looking forward to next weekend.
 
  ~Hugh
 
  On Saturday, August 17, 2013 5:29:28 PM UTC-7, Curtis wrote:
 
  Hi all,
 
  I may missed the posting about food. Are we planning to cook food in
  camp?  Or will we support the local economy and eat out?  Just need to
  know
  what to bring. Thanks.
 
  Looking forward to next Friday and Saturday.
 
  Peace
 
 
 
  On Saturday, August 17, 2013, Hugh Smitham wrote:
 
  Tom,
 
  I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal
  temperatures for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a
  vengeance so yeah what you described would fit the bill.
 
  -Hugh
  On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Dear SoCal Rivsters,
 
  Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the
 coast
 
  as San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and
 Northern
  San
  Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is
  predictive of
  what we will see on the 23rd.
 
   Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast
 from
 
  about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and
  then
  rolls back in.
 
  Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where
 the
 
  sun shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were
 down
  at
  the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).
 
  I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter
 what,
  we are going to have a good time.
 
  Take care,
 
  Tom
 
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread cyclotourist

Sonny's Pizza and Pasta is one of my all-time faves... they know how
to cook with garlic!

Carbonara is great as well, but a touch on the fancy side for a bunch
of sweaty bike campers.

I love Pizza Port. Good salads and I'm happy with their pizzas. And
did anyone say beer?

On 8/19/13, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:
 Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good beer

 but avg. pizza... any other ideas?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread dougP

Since I've never eaten dinner in San Clemente, I'll defer to David's 
experience.  Sonny's looks good to me.  Agree with Mike that Pizza Port is 
great beer but the food is typical tourist.  

dougP

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 Sonny's Pizza and Pasta is one of my all-time faves... they know how 
 to cook with garlic! 

 Carbonara is great as well, but a touch on the fancy side for a bunch 
 of sweaty bike campers. 

 I love Pizza Port. Good salads and I'm happy with their pizzas. And 
 did anyone say beer? 

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  Dinner out on the town it is... now where? Pizza Port is just Ok. Good 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-19 Thread cyclotourist

Re. Sonny's: Good food, great atmosphere, patio dining, cheap wine carafes!

Re. locks: All the places I can think of have parking w/in eyesight
out front. I'll bring a cable lock which can lock three or four bikes
together. If a few other bring the same, we should be able to lock all
8-9 bikes up in a nice solid mass of lugged steel.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-17 Thread dougP

After seeing Manny's photos  the video of their trip into the fog at Half 
Moon Bay, we will have nothing to grumble about regarding weather.  We're 
finally getting a taste of summer.  Should be excellent weather.  

dougP

On Friday, August 16, 2013 10:23:33 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Tom,

 I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal temperatures 
 for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a vengeance so yeah 
 what you described would fit the bill.

 -Hugh
 On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Dear SoCal Rivsters,

 Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the coast 
 as San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and Northern San 
 Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of 
 what we will see on the 23rd. 

  Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from 
 about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then 
 rolls back in.

 Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where the 
 sun shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were down at 
 the Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).

 I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter what, we 
 are going to have a good time.

 Take care,

 Tom



 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
 date before the Labor Day weekend. 

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it. 

 Thanks for looking,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-16 Thread Hugh Smitham

Tom,

I hope as well. For the past month we've enjoyed below normal temperatures
for this time of year. Today the heat came back with a vengeance so yeah
what you described would fit the bill.

-Hugh
On Aug 16, 2013 9:37 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear SoCal Rivsters,

 Been monitoring things.   I live about the same distance from the coast as
 San Mateo is from San Onofre.  Southern Orange County and Northern San
 Diego have many micro climates, so I cannot say what I see is predictive of
 what we will see on the 23rd.

  Up until today, the fog has been rolling in and we have overcast from
 about 4:00 PM.  Oddly, it recedes between 6:30 for about an hour and then
 rolls back in.

 Tonight, we had one of those Diamond Girl kind of evenings where the sun
 shown on the beach until setting.  Samuel Hillborne and I were down at the
 Torrey Pines parking lot to see it  (testing camping gear).

 I am hoping we have this kind of night for the 23rd.  No matter what, we
 are going to have a good time.

 Take care,

 Tom



 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread cyclotourist

Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

On 8/12/13, Frank Quan jfq...@gmail.com wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham

David, Here is my count.

1.Me
2.Doug
3.Evan
4.You
5.Curtis
6.Mike
7.Tom
8.Jim ?
9.Estaban?
10Mitch?

So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might
drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed
participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest
SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding
off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8
but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm
guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the
worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there
are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were good
for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to
http://www.reserveamerica.com Then Your friends and Doug's are covered.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


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 Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
 but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

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  home before dark.
 
  Thanks.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread James Warren


Hugh,
Thank you so much for organizing this. The following is the source of my 
ambiguity, quoted from my school district's start-up meeting calendar:

Friday, August 23, we will be meeting at Peninsula High School for our 9-12 
District Professional Development Day starting at 8:00AM. Around 3PM, PV and 
Pen staff will be having a kick-off mixer (more info to come).

What this means is that I have no idea when I can join you all for the ride. 
Even if I don't go to the mixer, if I'm not free until 3, I'm screwed with So. 
Cal Friday traffic. I figure I'll be joining the ride Saturday morning. So I 
will not insist on dibs on camping room.

-Jim


On Aug 12, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Hugh Smitham wrote:

 David, Here is my count.
 
 1.Me
 2.Doug
 3.Evan
 4.You
 5.Curtis
 6.Mike
 7.Tom
 8.Jim ?
 9.Estaban?
 10Mitch?
 
 So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might drive 
 down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed participant also 
 I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest SLO and said he 
 wasn't setup for camping.
 
 Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding off 
 to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8 but 
 since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm guessing 
 here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the worst case 
 scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there are 10 sites 
 currently available perhaps you could book one then were good for 16 campers. 
 It will cost $43 for the night. Go to http://www.reserveamerica.com Then Your 
 friends and Doug's are covered.
 
 Best,
 
 
 
 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca
 
 
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 Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
 but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.
 
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  know.  I can't spend the night so it has to be early enough for me to get
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  Thanks.
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread dougP

Mitch has a prior commitment.  I'll pass on inviting my buds as it looks 
like we're close to capacity.  For anyone planning on joining us on 
Saturday AM, such as Jim, there is a free public parking lot adjacent to 
Carl's Jr.  Park there  ride inland on Christianitos to San Mateo.  

dougP

On Monday, August 12, 2013 5:57:33 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 David, Here is my count.

 1.Me
 2.Doug
 3.Evan
 4.You
 5.Curtis
 6.Mike
 7.Tom
 8.Jim ?
 9.Estaban?
 10Mitch?

 So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might 
 drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed 
 participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest 
 SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

 Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding 
 off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8 
 but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm 
 guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the 
 worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there 
 are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were good 
 for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to 
 http://www.reserveamerica.com Then Your friends and Doug's are covered.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


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 Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
 but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

 On 8/12/13, Frank Quan jfq...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  If anyone is interested in riding up from North County on Friday, let me
  know.  I can't spend the night so it has to be early enough for me to 
 get
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread Hugh Smitham

Then my count David is 7 confirmed for Friday ride camping so invite your
friends unless it like 20.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

Mitch has a prior commitment. I'll pass on inviting my buds as it looks
like we're close to capacity. For anyone planning on joining us on
Saturday AM, such as Jim, there is a free public parking lot adjacent to
Carl's Jr. Park there ride inland on Christianitos to San Mateo.

dougP

On Monday, August 12, 2013 5:57:33 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

David, Here is my count.

1.Me
2.Doug
3.Evan
4.You
5.Curtis
6.Mike
7.Tom
8.Jim ?
9.Estaban?
10Mitch?

So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might
drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed
participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the furthest
SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was holding
off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for 8
but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm
guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose the
worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there
are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were good
for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to
http://www.reserveamerica.**com http://www.reserveamerica.com/ Then
Your friends and Doug's are covered.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:10 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

On 8/12/13, Frank Quan jfq...@gmail.com wrote:
If anyone is interested in riding up from North County on Friday, let
me
know. I can't spend the night so it has to be early enough for me to
get
home before dark.

Thanks.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-12 Thread cyclotourist

It's just two, so I'll let them know. They're both Riv-Ride alums, so
should be grand-fathered in!

On 8/12/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
Then my count David is 7 confirmed for Friday ride camping so invite your
friends unless it like 20.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 7:00 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

dougP

On Monday, August 12, 2013 5:57:33 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

David, Here is my count.

1.Me
2.Doug
3.Evan
4.You
5.Curtis
6.Mike
7.Tom
8.Jim ?
9.Estaban?
10Mitch?

So I have a confirmed 8 counting Jim in as I think he was in but might
drive down later. I haven't heard whether Estaban was a confirmed
participant also I haven't heard back from Mitch as he lives the
furthest
SLO and said he wasn't setup for camping.

Also, Doug said he had three friends that were interested but was
holding
off to see how many confirmed we ended up with. The site capacity is for
8
but since we won't have any auto's we can probably get away with now I'm
guessing here 12 that's an additional 4. As a bail out plan I suppose
the
worst case scenario would be to take a motel in SC? I just checked there
are 10 sites currently available perhaps you could book one then were
good
for 16 campers. It will cost $43 for the night. Go to
http://www.reserveamerica.**com http://www.reserveamerica.com/ Then
Your friends and Doug's are covered.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Mon, Aug 12, 2013 at 5:10 PM, cyclotourist
cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

Hugh, do you have an updated count? Some of my locals are interested
but I don't know how much dirt is left to sleep on.

Thanks.

Frank

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-11 Thread hsmitham

Tom,

Thanks for that awesome picture! And the information. I'm all set with the
train and really excited about not driving a car to ride my bicycle.

Best,

~Hugh

On Friday, August 9, 2013 7:32:22 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:

Hello Hugh and So Cal Rivers,

I found this on the Pacific Surfliner schedule PDF I downloaded...

Bicycles: Most Pacific Surfliner trains have racks for six or seven
bicycles located in the “cab car”. Starting June 1, 2013 these slots will
be available by reservation only. Passengers must properly secure bicycles
in racks. For some departures and on Thruway buses, reservations will not
be available and only a limited number of bicycles can be carried. When
space is available, unboxed bicycles may be put in the bin under connecting
Thruway buses. Amtrak disclaims liability for loss or damage. Passengers
connecting to Trains 2, 4, and 14 will be required to check a bike in a
bicycle box available for a $10.00 fee.

The operative word there is *Most*. I don't know if their reservation
system prevents overbooking the six or seven bicycles or not. Rephrasing
Doug, the Hi-Level Surfliner consists are the one's with a cab car that
has slots for our bicycles. The single level consists have the baggage car
in the consist. I, too, would be challenged to lift a fully loaded Riv
bicycle to the level of the baggage car. My contingency is going to be to
pull the large Sackville saddle bag and Barsack from the bike and carry
them on.

BTW, the Hi-Level (term from the Santa Fe Railroad) are not necessarily
new. Some of them are conversions Santa Fe El Capitan cars that date from
June 1956. I rode the El Capitan between LA and Chicago a number of times
and enjoyed the experience.

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4oho_TW0Gpo/UgWj0hmiBnI/AAw/kwdK1ZkEvFo/s1600/800px-Sante_Fe_Railroad_El_Capitan.jpg

Samuel Hillborne bike recon mission for tomorrow is going to be to ride
down to the Solana Beach transit station, find a time between Coasters and
Amtraks (not busy), and chat up one of the station agents as to the notion
that certain train numbers consistently run a specific type consist.

Best regards,

Tom

On Friday, August 9, 2013 4:05:37 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more
specific with my question. I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and
bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
Surf liner?

When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike. There's no
charge but it reserves space on the train for your wheels. Amtrak's policy
on the Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement
has not been stringent. I've used them 2X since it started had a bike
reservation both times.

A random twist that may occur is type if equipment. If the train is
made up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle
logo on a car toward one end or the other. You can just wheel your bike on
that without removing panniers. Melanie I happened to have this set-up
on all 3 trains we used on our tour.

BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps
up into the car. If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor
(he'll actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your
bike up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height. I
can't do this with any amount of panniers. Same drill getting off. The
conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the
platform. This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of
weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Gentlemen,

Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track
in the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head
North to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices
1:40
pm or 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?

Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
thought I'd mention it.

Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the
Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-10 Thread cyclotourist

If we're going to do an 11:00 meet up, I might just have to take the
day off work!
That would be awful...

On 8/9/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 11 AM is a bit early for lunch but an excellent time start a ride.  An
 interesting half-way point is:

 http://www.capistranodepot.com/

 which has patio seating, convenient for keeping an eye on the bike.
 Sarducci's has been there forever  does a nice job.  If we leave the
 Irvine Amtrak we'd be there in roughly 1.5-2 hours.   A leisurely lunch 
 we'd be at San Mateo mid-late afternoon.

 We need a final head count  ETAs from others so we can finalize the plan.

 I like the 11:00 AM at Irvine Amtrak but can be flexible on that if Jim,
 David, et al need something later.  OTH, we don't all have to travel every
 mile together.  Same highway, buddy system works too.  Everyone who
 intends to go should speak up with their plans / constraints / desires /
 etc.

 Jim  David:  let me know if you need help with timing  routing.  Absolute

 worst case is park in Tustin, hop on Metrolink to San Clemente  meet us at

 camp.  And that's pretty easy.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:44:35 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mike,

 I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't

 know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can
 recommend
 something good.

 Best,

 -Hugh
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 Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!

   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
 afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that

 arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales

 nearby?

  ~mike




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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-10 Thread dougP

Tough duty, David, but I think you're up to it.  You  Hugh can do a 
dueling cameras thing.  

dougP

On Saturday, August 10, 2013 12:36:51 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 If we're going to do an 11:00 meet up, I might just have to take the 
 day off work! 
 That would be awful... 

 On 8/9/13, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote: 
  11 AM is a bit early for lunch but an excellent time start a ride.  An 
  interesting half-way point is: 
  
  http://www.capistranodepot.com/ 
  
  which has patio seating, convenient for keeping an eye on the bike. 
  Sarducci's has been there forever  does a nice job.  If we leave the 
  Irvine Amtrak we'd be there in roughly 1.5-2 hours.   A leisurely lunch 
  
  we'd be at San Mateo mid-late afternoon. 
  
  We need a final head count  ETAs from others so we can finalize the 
 plan. 
  
  I like the 11:00 AM at Irvine Amtrak but can be flexible on that if Jim, 
  David, et al need something later.  OTH, we don't all have to travel 
 every 
  mile together.  Same highway, buddy system works too.  Everyone who 
  intends to go should speak up with their plans / constraints / desires / 
  etc. 
  
  Jim  David:  let me know if you need help with timing  routing. 
  Absolute 
  
  worst case is park in Tustin, hop on Metrolink to San Clemente  meet us 
 at 
  
  camp.  And that's pretty easy. 
  
  dougP 
  
  On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:44:35 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
  
  Mike, 
  
  I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I 
 don't 
  
  know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can 
  recommend 
  something good. 
  
  Best, 
  
  -Hugh 
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  Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you 
 guys! 
  
So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the 
  afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner 
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  nearby? 
  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-10 Thread Curtis McKenzie

Hi Tom,

I plan on riding back to San Diego on Saturday after our shenanigans.
Would be great to ride with others.


On Fri, Aug 9, 2013 at 12:34 AM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards
 to the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so
 you're welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous
 and sauve. Here is the camp info:

 CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
 SITE:SM117
 SITE TYPE:STANDARD
 LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
 STATE:California
 REGION:Southern Division
 ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
 DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
 LENGTH OF STAY:1
 PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
 # OF OCCUPANTS:8
 EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
 # OF VEHICLES:3
 CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
 CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
 Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
 8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
 not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
 I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
 home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
 and camping with you all.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to
 getting there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and
 see your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about
 these bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you
 that turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened
 to wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on
 flickr and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside?
 I need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends
 in Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will 
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it 
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Hi Tom,

Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
sauve. Here is the camp info:

CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
SITE:SM117
SITE TYPE:STANDARD
LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
STATE:California
REGION:Southern Division
ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
LENGTH OF STAY:1
PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
# OF OCCUPANTS:8
EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
# OF VEHICLES:3
CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
and camping with you all.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about these
 bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you that
 turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened to
 wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on flickr
 and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in
 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In
 am going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Made and confirmed my Amtrak ticket arriving in Irvine 10:53 am.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 8, 2013 at 11:30 PM, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Tom,

 Glad you're going to join us however you need to make it up. In regards to
 the camp site: I think we'll be okay with bikes and small tents so you're
 welcome to join us if we go over 8 person's we'll just be courtous and
 sauve. Here is the camp info:

 CAMPGROUND:SAN ONOFRE SB
 SITE:SM117
 SITE TYPE:STANDARD
 LOOP:San Mateo Sites 101-140
 STATE:California
 REGION:Southern Division
 ARRIVAL DATE:Fri Aug 23 2013
 DEPARTURE DATE:Sat Aug 24 2013
 LENGTH OF STAY:1
 PRIMARY OCCUPANT:HUGH SMITHAM
 # OF OCCUPANTS:8
 EQUIPMENT:Tent(1)
 # OF VEHICLES:3
 CHECK-IN TIME:2:00 PM
 CHECK-OUT TIME:12:00 PM
 Thanks for asking  what I paid. I paid $43.00,  $35.00 for the site + $
 8.00 for the service fee. If you feel like contributing great if not I'm
 not going to make a big deal just glad folks are into this S240 thingy.
 I've decided to head North on Saturday and will catch the 5:45 pm train
 home so have lots of time to lolly gag. Really looking forward to riding
 and camping with you all.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Tue, Aug 6, 2013 at 9:42 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 Rivendell Hugh,

 I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting
 there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see
 your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of
 contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several
 Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for
 me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot
 commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the
 transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal
 with dark if I do it later).

 I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I
 don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a
 largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into
 civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required
 to ensure restful sleep.

 I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would
 like to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride
 slow.  un-racer.

 Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get
 there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

 I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about
 these bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you
 that turn out.

 Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened
 to wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on
 flickr and post so other folks can enjoy.

 Thank you,

 Tom


 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David
 Estes, Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to
 meet in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting,
 Mitch has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that
 his ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking
 with 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside?
 I need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends
 in Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will 
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it 
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13,

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread dougP

..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
Surf liner?

When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no charge 
but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy on the 
Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement has not 
been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike 
reservation both times.  

A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made 
up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo 
on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that 
without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all 
3 trains we used on our tour.  

BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up 
into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll 
actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike 
up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't 
do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The 
conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the 
platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of 
weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.  

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in 
 the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North 
 to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or 
 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts? 

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just 
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
 Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca



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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Thanks Doug, I did make the bicycle reservation. I should have been more
specific with my question.  I was concerned with the Pacific Surf Liner and
bicycle transport boxed or not. Thankfully you have covered it. Thanks,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 ..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
 Surf liner?

 When you book your ticket you also need to add a bike.  There's no
 charge but it reserves space on the train for your wheels.  Amtrak's policy
 on the Surfliner is 6 bikes total per train BUT since it's new enforcement
 has not been stringent.  I've used them 2X since it started  had a bike
 reservation both times.

 A random twist that may occur is type if equipment.  If the train is made
 up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo
 on a car toward one end or the other.  You can just wheel your bike on that
 without removing panniers.  Melanie  I happened to have this set-up on all
 3 trains we used on our tour.

 BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up
 into the car.  If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll
 actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike
 up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height.  I can't
 do this with any amount of panniers.  Same drill getting off.  The
 conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the
 platform.  This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of
 weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.

 dougP

 On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Gentlemen,

 Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in
 the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North
 to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or
 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?

 Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
 thought I'd mention it.

 Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the
 Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread Tom Virgil

Hello Hugh and So Cal Rivers,

I found this on the Pacific Surfliner schedule PDF I downloaded...

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-4oho_TW0Gpo/UgWj0hmiBnI/AAw/kwdK1ZkEvFo/s1600/800px-Sante_Fe_Railroad_El_Capitan.jpg

Best regards,

Tom

On Friday, August 9, 2013 4:05:37 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 3:08 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote:

..can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific
Surf liner?

A random twist that may occur is type if equipment. If the train is made
up of the newer, double deck passenger cars, look for a blue bicycle logo
on a car toward one end or the other. You can just wheel your bike on that
without removing panniers. Melanie I happened to have this set-up on all
3 trains we used on our tour.

BUT if the train is the older, single deck cars, they have steep steps up
into the car. If that's the case, you need to corral the conductor (he'll
actually be looking for you if you have a reservation) and LIFT your bike
up to the floor level of the baggage car, about shoulder height. I can't
do this with any amount of panniers. Same drill getting off. The
conductor has to go into the car and hand your bike down to you on the
platform. This was what I encountered on both trains I used a couple of
weeks ago, and it was in Ventura that I found out about it.

dougP

On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:10:03 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Gentlemen,

Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track
in the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head
North to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40
pm or 5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts?

Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just
thought I'd mention it.

Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the
Pacific Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

Best,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

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Mike,

I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't
know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can recommend
something good.

Best,

-Hugh
On Aug 9, 2013 7:57 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

 Looks like I'll need to let my beard grow in order to ride with you guys!
   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the
 afternoon before heading down? I could certainly be on the Surfliner that
 arrives at 1100 am.  Is there some nice lunch spot with hand crafted ales
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-09 Thread dougP

11 AM is a bit early for lunch but an excellent time start a ride.  An 
interesting half-way point is:

http://www.capistranodepot.com/

which has patio seating, convenient for keeping an eye on the bike.  
Sarducci's has been there forever  does a nice job.  If we leave the 
Irvine Amtrak we'd be there in roughly 1.5-2 hours.   A leisurely lunch  
we'd be at San Mateo mid-late afternoon.  

We need a final head count  ETAs from others so we can finalize the plan.  
I like the 11:00 AM at Irvine Amtrak but can be flexible on that if Jim, 
David, et al need something later.  OTH, we don't all have to travel every 
mile together.  Same highway, buddy system works too.  Everyone who 
intends to go should speak up with their plans / constraints / desires / 
etc.  

Jim  David:  let me know if you need help with timing  routing.  Absolute 
worst case is park in Tustin, hop on Metrolink to San Clemente  meet us at 
camp.  And that's pretty easy.

dougP

On Friday, August 9, 2013 8:44:35 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Mike,

 I like the way you think. Cause I was thinking the same. Yet since I don't 
 know Squat about Irvine I do a search of places and sure Doug can recommend 
 something good.

 Best,

 -Hugh
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   So with a bunch of 1100 am arrivals... what's your agenda for the 
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2013-08-08 Thread hsmitham

Gentlemen,

Working on my Amtrak return trip. I figure we'll ride the single track in 
the mid morning and figure on a couple of hours then pack up and head North 
to Irvine to catch the train back to Burbank. I have two choices 1:40 pm or 
5:49 pm those that are heading North any thoughts? 

Also spoke with Curtis and were meeting in Irvine around 11 am just thought 
I'd mention it.

Doug, can you once again remind me again the bicycle policy on the Pacific 
Surf liner. Thanks in advance.

Best,



Hugh
Sunland, Ca

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-08 Thread Tom Virgil

Rivendell Hugh,

I have a lot going on the 23th due to work, but I am committed to getting 
there and camping with you folks.  I want to see all of you you and see 
your bikes.  Whether I ride from Del Mar or do some combination of 
contingencies (train + bike) I will get there.  I've figured out several 
Amtrak options.  Even if it's after dark.  Do you still have some space for 
me, a Samuel Hillborne, and modest tent space?  I do regret that I cannot 
commit to getting up to starting from Irvine for the full S24O from the 
transit station or Doug's in the timeframe (have lighting, and can deal 
with dark if I do it later).

I may opt with Doug and either bring take out or ride out for comeda.  I 
don't want to take all the cook gear.  OTOH, once I've got there, I have a 
largish Sackville, saddle bag and can do carrier service back into 
civilization for supplies and any liquid refreshment that might be required 
to ensure restful sleep.

I might opt to ride back South with any San Diegans or those who would like 
to extend their ride and visit our county.   Let me know.  I ride slow. 
 un-racer.

Do you have a reservation and how do I specify the campsite when I get 
there?.  What did this cost you to reserve?  May I contribute?

I am a short timer in this group, but I have seen such passion about these 
bikes and the people here that I feel compelled to meet all of you that 
turn out.

Heck yes, I am bringing camera and iPhone (gotta prove that it happened to 
wife).  Perhaps we should create a proof that it happened clump on flickr 
and post so other folks can enjoy.

Thank you,

Tom

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 11:08:44 AM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes, 
 Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet 
 in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch 
 has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his 
 ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with 
 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single 
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us 
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is 
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we 
 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you 
 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I 
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in 
 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh

   

 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to 
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice 
 of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we 
 can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be 
 a good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this 
 moment so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-06 Thread Hugh Smitham

Evan,

Sorry I only have my Cosmo and likely will purchase another.  May I suggest
you post it both on CL  the list-serve then I will direct you to a web
seller that's reasonable price wise. That is if you can't find a trade. On
the group make sure to post as FS/WTT Nitto R-14 rack for Tubus Cosmo rack
and select the transaction tab. Of course if you already know all this then
disregard.

Best,

-Hugh
On Aug 5, 2013 11:24 PM, Evan Spacht evan.spa...@gmail.com wrote:

 topic drift alert:

 I'm in the market for a rear pannier rack , if anyone is trying to sel one!
 I have a used R-14 top rack that I am looking ot sell or trade.
 Normally it's best to just post a new topic but I don't care to ship stuff
 if I don't have to .

 kindly,
 Evan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread James Warren

The problem is that my school has not given us an agenda yet, so you all should plan what works for you and then I'll jump in if possible.-Original Message-
From: Hugh Smitham <hughsmit...@gmail.com>
Sent: Aug 2, 2013 10:24 PM
To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it "to crash the event". I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.
Best,HughSunland, Ca
On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.com wrote:
What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss. In am going

 to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
 happen. After all, it is "S24O". There must be some time I can find.
 Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from
 Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo. I think it is really nice of
 Hugh to propose this.

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near

 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride

 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a

 few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good

 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so

 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Jim,

Thanks,  we'll make plans and hope it works out for you to join in.

Best,
On Aug 2, 2013 11:26 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:


 The problem is that my school has not given us an agenda yet, so you all
 should plan what works for you and then I'll jump in if possible.


 -Original Message-
 From: Hugh Smitham **
 Sent: Aug 2, 2013 10:24 PM
 To: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone?
 See details below.

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Thanks Deacon, though the sheer beauty in which you and your family
bike-camp is awe inspiring. I can see why you live there.

~Hugh

Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Sat, Aug 3, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Deacon Patrick lamontg...@mac.com wrote:

 I am in awe at the response you Westcoasters get on these things.
 Beautiful! Enjoy!

 With abandon,
 Patrick


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 6:12:14 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread dougP

I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  

dougP

On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to 
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

Okay, I'll have to get off work a bit early, but think I can pull it
off! Worst case scenario is I meet you in San Clemente.

On 8/3/13, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and

 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist
 cyclot...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com javascript: wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice
  of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
  either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we
  can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 
 so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread hsmitham

Agreed. So this is what I have:

9 riders total
4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes, 
Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet 
in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch 
has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his 
ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with 
35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single 
track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us 
some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is 
so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we 
want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you 
stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I 
need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in 
Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

Best,

~Hugh

  

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.  

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart 
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will work 
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it to 
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and 
 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up 
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice 
 of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we 
 can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this 
 moment so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

The restaurant on the pier is a little ways away from camp (as opposed
to Adele's), but is a great place to eat and quite reasonable for
breakfast. Lots of options!

On 8/3/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
 Agreed. So this is what I have:

 9 riders total
 4 are definite shows: Doug, Evan, Curtis  Me riding from Irvine.
 5 are maybe's have to work or rearrange schedules Tom Virgil, David Estes,
 Jim Warren, Mitch Browne and Mike Shiller.

 Tom needs to rearrange his schedule, David is working and may need to meet
 in San Clemente, Jim is being held captive on a mandatory meeting, Mitch
 has possible work conflict start of school and I heard from Mike that his
 ankle is still problematic with swelling so as he put it backpacking with
 35 lbs not the best idea, so he might be up for pedaling.

 So I think a 4 pm start it is. Camp Friday night and plan on the Single
 track ride Saturday morning that David mentioned. David can you give us
 some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance ect... Since SC is
 so close how many would want to ride in the morning for Breakfast? Or do we

 want the full camp experience and make all our meals? Doug I know where you

 stand on this one. Doug is on the restaurant side of the ledger.

 Also I may ride South on Saturday to meet up with my wife in Oceanside? I
 need to confirm with her on her plans for that weekend...we have friends in

 Oceanside  Carlsbad she may visit with.

 Best,

 ~Hugh



 On Saturday, August 3, 2013 9:18:57 AM UTC-7, dougP wrote:

 I'd start from Irvine no later than 4 PM.

 dougP

 On Friday, August 2, 2013 10:24:49 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 I think we can shoot for 4 pm or so. Lets get some feedback on depart
 time. If Jim can make it then it needs to be later. Jim what time will
 work
 for you or do you want to opt out on this part and figure as you put it
 to
 crash the event. I'll probably get down early and ride around Irvine and

 visit with Doug, so perhaps Curtis we'll meet up.

 Best,



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM, cyclotourist cyclot...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
 that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

 On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevi...@gmail.com wrote:
  This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 
 going
 
  to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
  happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can
  find.
  Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up
 from
  Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice
 
 of
  Hugh to propose this.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Tom
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
 
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 
 near
 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
 
 P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
 either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 
 ride
 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we
 can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 
 good
 
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this
 moment so
 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread cyclotourist

No Tools has minimal overall elevation gain. Lots of little rollers
over/around/through the different gullies coming down from the hills.
Rideable with any sort of tire or bike, just depends on how fast you
want to go. I'd say at most 2 hrs out and back. Don't know the
distance, I Just Ride it. :-) It's a very nice intro to singletrack
for anyone not used to technical rides (I take my 11 y.o. on it, he
can ride it all) and a smile-inducing ride for the pros who just want
to be out and about a mile from the ocean.

On 8/3/13, hsmitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:

 David can you give us some more statistics on the No Tools trail? Distance 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Mike Schiller

maybe I should throw on the big knobbies just in case?

What route were you planning on from Tustin?  I'm thinking I would train up 
Friday if I go.The 1st afternoon Metrolink from Oceanside arrives in Tustin 
at 356pm so that would work.

I would ride home to Carlsbad on Saturday.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Mike Schiller

or Irvine at 349pm if that's better.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread Hugh Smitham

Mike,

The earlier I would think the better.
David, thanks for the extra info on the single track. I'm sold especially
when you attached smiles, but I'm an easy sell:-)
 On Aug 3, 2013 1:09 PM, Mike Schiller mikeybi...@rocketmail.com wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-03 Thread dougP

What route were you planning on from Tustin? 

Likely take Irvine Center Dr to Barranca  past the Irvine Amtrak station.  
There's a couple of ways thru the Saddleback Valley that roughly parallel 
the tracks (always the path of least resistance) or Alicia Pkwy to Crown 
Valley to the coast at Monarch Bay (more hilly, more scenic)  south on 
PCH.  

We can sort out the details as we go but with cell phones is easy to make 
changes on the fly.  No worries.

dougP

On Saturday, August 3, 2013 1:06:55 PM UTC-7, Mike Schiller wrote:

 maybe I should throw on the big knobbies just in case?

 What route were you planning on from Tustin?  I'm thinking I would train 
 up Friday if I go.The 1st afternoon Metrolink from Oceanside arrives in 
 Tustin at 356pm so that would work.

 I would ride home to Carlsbad on Saturday.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Jim,

At the least you can drive down and hang with us or perhaps take a later
train to San Clemente which is a 5 mile ride to San Mateo Campground, then
we'll ride the single track, swim, eat and carry on about Rivendell bikes.

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.netwrote:

Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to
take requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not
make it down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no.
However, I'm gonna crash it if things work out.

-Jim W.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5 Culver Dr, and the Tustin
Metrolink station. From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a
mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time. So far looks like 4-5-6 (???).

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Mitch,

It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
Breakfast.

David mentioned a single track called the No
Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be
riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen
then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming
and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.

I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting
at Doug's.

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

Mitch:

Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of the
S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine.
Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can
hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for
breakfast.

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

Hugh,

I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.

Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**reme**mber I don't know this area at all.

Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here
last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.

I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

SoCal Rivesters,

I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
date before the Labor Day weekend.

Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Thanks for looking,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

David,

Let me see I have a spare tent you can use. I have a 1 person about 3 lbs 
2 person with a trail weight( Fly, poles  footprint) of 4 lbs works well.
Let me decide which I'm bringing and you can use the other. Cool?


Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, cyclotourist cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I
 mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish
 bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance.

 Knobbies are not needed.

 Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow?

 On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
  Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to
 take
  requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make
 it
  down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, I'm
  gonna crash it if things work out.
 
  -Jim W.
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 
  Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5  Culver Dr, and the Tustin
  Metrolink station.  From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so a
  mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time.  So far looks like 4-5-6
 (???).
 
 
  dougP
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  Mitch,
 
  It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug
  has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
  appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
  Breakfast.
 
  David mentioned a single track called the  No
  Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
  Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be
  riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the
 Hilsen
  then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming
  and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.
 
  I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting
 at
  Doug's.
 
 
 
  Hugh
  Sunland, Ca
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:
  Mitch:
 
  Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of the
  S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.
  Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
  you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You
 can
  hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you for
  breakfast.
 
  dougP
 
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:
  Hugh,
 
  I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn
  sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.
 
  Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
  longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all.
 
  Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here
  last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.
 
  I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.
 
  Mitch Browne
  San Luis Obispo, CA
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread cyclotourist

Great, thanks!

On 8/1/13, Hugh Smitham hughsmit...@gmail.com wrote:
 David,

 Let me see I have a spare tent you can use. I have a 1 person about 3 lbs 
 2 person with a trail weight( Fly, poles  footprint) of 4 lbs works well.
 Let me decide which I'm bringing and you can use the other. Cool?


 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:44 PM, cyclotourist
 cyclotour...@gmail.comwrote:

 I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I
 mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish
 bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance.

 Knobbies are not needed.

 Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow?

 On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcwar...@earthlink.net wrote:
  Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to
 take
  requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make
 it
  down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However,
  I'm
  gonna crash it if things work out.
 
  -Jim W.
 
 
  Sent from my iPhone
 
  On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:
 
  Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5  Culver Dr, and the Tustin
  Metrolink station.  From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so
  a
  mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time.  So far looks like 4-5-6
 (???).
 
 
  dougP
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  Mitch,
 
  It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240.
  Doug
  has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with
  appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for
  Breakfast.
 
  David mentioned a single track called the  No
  Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
  Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll
  be
  riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the
 Hilsen
  then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go
  swimming
  and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.
 
  I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and
  meeting
 at
  Doug's.
 
 
 
  Hugh
  Sunland, Ca
 
 
  On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:
  Mitch:
 
  Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of
  the
  S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.
  Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away
  but
  you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You
 can
  hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you
  for
  breakfast.
 
  dougP
 
 
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:
  Hugh,
 
  I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente
  Inn
  sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.
 
  Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
  longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all.
 
  Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up
  here
  last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.
 
  I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.
 
  Mitch Browne
  San Luis Obispo, CA
 
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
  SoCal Rivesters,
 
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
 near
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug
  P's
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
  either
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
 ride
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the
 site, a
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we
  can
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
 good
  date before the Labor Day weekend.
 
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment
 so
  I need a count quick before I reserve it.
 
  Thanks for looking,
 
  ~Hugh
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread dougP

Not yet but it's only 30 miles so mid-afternoon gives plenty of time.  When 
can you get here?  

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 9:34:09 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:

 Do you guys know what time the meetup for this ride will be on the Friday?

 -Jim W.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 1, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Hugh Smitham hughs...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Mitch,

 It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. Doug 
 has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with 
 appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for 
 Breakfast.

 David mentioned a single track called the  No
 Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels
 Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be 
 riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the Hilsen 
 then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go swimming 
 and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal.

 I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting at 
 Doug's.



 Hugh
 Sunland, Ca


 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript:wrote:

 Mitch:

 Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of the 
 S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine.  
 Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away but 
 you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You can 
 hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you for 
 breakfast.  

 dougP


 On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

 Hugh,

 I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn 
 sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.

 Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton 
 longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**remember I don't know this area at all.

 Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here 
 last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. 

 I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.

 Mitch Browne
 San Luis Obispo, CA

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could 
 either 
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride 
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a 
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good 
 date before the Labor Day weekend. 

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
 so I need a count quick before I reserve it. 

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread dougP

David:

Knobbies are not needed.   Whew!  

I can come up with another tent.  

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 10:44:45 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'm hoping to make it, should be a lot of fun. The singletrack I 
 mentioned and encourage you all to ride is very doable with Riv-ish 
 bikes. It starts pretty close to the San Mateo Campground's entrance. 

 Knobbies are not needed. 

 Does anyone have an extra 1P tent I could borrow? 

 On 8/1/13, James Warren jimcw...@earthlink.net javascript: wrote: 
  Gonna be tight. It all depends how much time our school admin wants to 
 take 
  requiring us to learn things in a mandatory meeting day. I may not make 
 it 
  down in time. So if you're counting heads, I have to say no. However, 
 I'm 
  gonna crash it if things work out. 
  
  -Jim W. 
  
  
  Sent from my iPhone 
  
  On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: 
 wrote: 
  
  Meet point is in Irvine, close to I-5  Culver Dr, and the Tustin 
  Metrolink station.  From here it is nominally 30 miles to San Mateo so 
 a 
  mid-afternoon start gives plenty of time.  So far looks like 4-5-6 
 (???). 
  
  
  dougP 
  
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
  Mitch, 
  
  It was good to meet you and would enjoy your presence on this S240. 
 Doug 
  has a point, you can ride your bike for evening festivities then (with 
  appropriate lighting) ride the mile or so to the Inn and reconvene for 
  Breakfast. 
  
  David mentioned a single track called the  No 
  Tools trail on the San Clemente Singletrack. It parallels 
  Christianitos Rd though I don't know the distance ect... I know I'll be 
  riding the 30 odd miles to camp so theoretically I could unload the 
 Hilsen 
  then do a short single track ride. As long as I have time to go 
 swimming 
  and of course daylight to cook or ride to town for a meal. 
  
  I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and  meeting 
 at 
  Doug's. 
  
  
  
  Hugh 
  Sunland, Ca 
  
  
  On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote: 
  Mitch: 
  
  Just get on down here  we'll make it happen.  My interpretation of 
 the 
  S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight  break the routine. 
  Camping gear is easy to borrow.  Lodging is fine if it gets you away 
 but 
  you miss all the campfire fun.  But, wait, yes, you have lights!  You 
 can 
  hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away)  we'll see you 
 for 
  breakfast. 
  
  dougP 
  
  
  On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote: 
  Hugh, 
  
  I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente Inn 
  sounds interesting given it's only a mile away. 
  
  Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton 
  longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-remember I don't know this area at all. 
  
  Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up here 
  last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP. 
  
  I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school. 
  
  Mitch Browne 
  San Luis Obispo, CA 
  
  On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote: 
  SoCal Rivesters, 
  
  I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground 
 near 
  San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug 
 P's 
  home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either 
  meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or 
 ride 
  the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the 
 site, a 
  few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can 
  jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a 
 good 
  date before the Labor Day weekend. 
  
  Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment 
 so 
  I need a count quick before I reserve it. 
  
  Thanks for looking, 
  
  ~Hugh 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread dougP

Jim:

See about your schedule we can work it out. Southbound in the afternoon
has good service so you could park at Tustin (huge parking structure)
take a southbound to Laguna Niguel, or San Juan. We can figure it out once
you get your schedule firmed up.

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 11:16:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Jim,

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 10:31 PM, James Warren
jimcw...@earthlink.netjavascript:
wrote:

-Jim W.

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:37 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote:

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:33:24 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

Mitch,

I'd like to get a count of those joining for the ride down and meeting
at Doug's.

Hugh
Sunland, Ca

On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 7:56 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

Mitch:

Just get on down here we'll make it happen. My interpretation of
the S24O spirit is just to get out for an overnight break the routine.

Camping gear is easy to borrow. Lodging is fine if it gets you away but
you miss all the campfire fun. But, wait, yes, you have lights! You can
hang out, cruise back to town (a whopping mile away) we'll see you for
breakfast.

dougP

On Thursday, August 1, 2013 7:08:38 PM UTC-7, Mitch Browne wrote:

Hugh,

I don't have any camping gear but Tom's suggestion re: San Clemente
Inn sounds interesting given it's only a mile away.

Although I went through training at Camp Pendleton
longer-ago-Than-I-care-to-**reme**mber I don't know this area at all.

Would this violate the S240 spirit? I did enjoy the brief visit up
here last week with you, Evan, and omnipresent DougP.

I'd have to see how this shakes out with the beginning of school.

Mitch Browne
San Luis Obispo, CA

On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

SoCal Rivesters,

I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground
near San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at
Doug
P's home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could
either
meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or
ride
the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site,
a
few options to choose from. Suggestions are welcome. Once there we can
jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a
good
date before the Labor Day weekend.

Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this
moment so I need a count quick before I reserve it.

Thanks for looking,

~Hugh

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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

2013-08-02 Thread cyclotourist

What time is the estimated meet up time in Tustin/Irvine? I'm working
that day, so later is better. I might have to meet up in SC.

On 8/2/13, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am going

 to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
 happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
 Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from
 Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
 Hugh to propose this.

 Best regards,

 Tom

 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near

 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride

 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a

 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good

 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so

 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh


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Re: [RBW] Re: Calling all SoCal Rivsters S240 August 23rd anyone? See details below.

Tom,

Hope you can make it. As Grant puts it a S240 is a quick not too many
logistical issues involved affair, and even if there are issues it's just
an overnight the next day were all back to civilization. But yes it is
shaping up nicely. I hope to put more of these together and try to bring
more SoCal Riv riders together and not let the NorCalers  have all the fun.
As Evan put it, it's nice to have a mental health day.

Best.



Hugh
Sunland, Ca


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 9:20 PM, Tom Virgil tevir...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is starting to shape up to be something too good to miss.  In am
 going to really try to reshuffle some professional obligations and make it
 happen.  After all, it is S24O.  There must be some time I can find.
 Barring any passage problems on Camp Pendleton, I would be riding up from
 Del Mar in the early evening to San Mateo.  I think it is really nice of
 Hugh to propose this.

 Best regards,

 Tom


 On Wednesday, July 31, 2013 5:12:14 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:

 SoCal Rivesters,

 I was thinking of a S240 for Friday the 23rd at San Mateo Campground near
 San Onofre State Beach. For those in the North we could meet at Doug P's
 home and ride the 30 miles to the site. Those in the South could either
 meet us at the Metro link station in Irvine and ride down with us or ride
 the Metro link to Oceanside and ride through Camp Pendleton to the site, a
 few options to choose from. Suggestions are  welcome. Once there we can
 jump in the Pacific and rollick in the surf. I figure this would be a good
 date before the Labor Day weekend.

 Here's the rub though, there is only one site available at this moment so
 I need a count quick before I reserve it.

 Thanks for looking,

 ~Hugh

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