Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread cyclotourist
I tend to favor the kitchen it seems:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4205517724
https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019

Not so good for taking a nap, but snacks are handy.



On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 7:44 AM, Melanie myol...@gmail.com wrote:

 Oh, I don't know.  The bedroom is the place for Rivs!
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/7563204@N05/16856700776/

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I say not only store your bike in the living room, but work on it there,
 too!  It's way more pleasant!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Kellie
 Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires 
I would consider? 
Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of Justice on 
Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in Berkeley. 
Many love the Hetres…..

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling) 
 led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more 
 expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a Rivendell 
 (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more than I ever 
 thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to say, quite 
 frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works out pretty 
 good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on vacation right 
 now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to justify a lot.  
 So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot under good 
 conditions.  

 If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what I 
 will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire with).  
 I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I don't 
 mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and over, 
 since I only have one bike to use the tires on. 


 https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8KqJGoZXBy0/VRi5MAHbmvI/AQg/ZngKmuGtgUw/s1600/not-the-joe-rodota%2Btrail.jpg


 I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at least 
 some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed off 
 to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow made 
 a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned out 
 to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the Joe 
 Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since we 
 didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail 
 sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't 
 where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to 
 be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off 
 to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the 
 others in my group don't.

 DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
 quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
 review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on 
 my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.

 Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.  Is 
 there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I 
 would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different 
 places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than 
 later to maximize my fun.  


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of 
 light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.

 I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats. 
 But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.

 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd 
 give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your 
 Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them; 
 they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are 
 supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't 
 had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel 
 with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm 
 building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more 
 tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
 faster and/or have more flats.

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason 
 i have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned 
 with 
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Kathy Carroll
Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?

On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:

 Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you
want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might
be better put to use.

 I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could
arrange something.

 Dan

 On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:

  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the
tires I would consider?
 Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of Justice
on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in
Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling)
led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more
expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a Rivendell
(even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more than I ever
thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to say, quite
frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works out pretty
good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on vacation right
now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to justify a lot.
So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot under good
conditions.

 If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what
I will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire
with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I
don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and
over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.



 I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at
least some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed
off to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow
made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned
out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the
Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since
we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail
sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't
where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty
gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up
with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it
was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to
be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off
to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the
others in my group don't.

 DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son
quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will
review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on
my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.

 Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.
Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I
would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different
places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than
later to maximize my fun.


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds
of light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's
even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly
puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in
goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.

 I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix
flats. But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.

 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment.
I'd give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with
your Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like
them; they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which
are supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I
haven't had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light
gravel with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm
building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more
tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you
get faster and/or have more flats.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, March 29, 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Dave C
That's sounds like a good offer.

I have never uses the Hetres, but I currently am using the 32 mm GB Cypres, 
and I really do like them a bunch. I have been using them on fire roads in 
my area, and I think they have been very versatile and have a nice ride. 
When my wife's Glorius is in need of new tires, I will get her the Hetres, 
even though the Col de la vies are fine. In fact, I can't say for sure the 
Cypres is any better than a non-TG Pasela, but I think it's good to have 
the options that didn't exist a decade ago.

Does anyone know if the Cypres tires have been empirically compared to the 
Paselas with any conclusive results?

And has the new 650B Pasela been tested by anyone yet (assuming it is out) 
and compared to the Hetres?


On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?  

 On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcn...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:
 
  Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you 
 want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might 
 be better put to use. 
 
  I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could 
 arrange something. 
 
  Dan
 
  On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:
 
   Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the 
 tires I would consider? 
  Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of 
 Justice on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in 
 Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 
  I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is 
 googling) led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they 
 are more expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a 
 Rivendell (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more 
 than I ever thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to 
 say, quite frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works 
 out pretty good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on 
 vacation right now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to 
 justify a lot.  So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot 
 under good conditions. 
 
  If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what 
 I will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire 
 with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I 
 don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and 
 over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
  I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at 
 least some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed 
 off to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow 
 made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned 
 out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the 
 Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since 
 we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail 
 sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't 
 where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to 
 be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off 
 to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the 
 others in my group don't.
 
  DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
 quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
 review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on 
 my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
  Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few 
 hours.  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the 
 tires I would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride 
 different places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner 
 rather than later to maximize my fun. 
 
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds 
 of light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
 
  I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix 
 flats. But modern sealants have squared the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Kathy Carroll
Dan, i sent an email directly to you
Kathy
On Mar 30, 2015 10:32 AM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com wrote:

 That's sounds like a good offer.

 I have never uses the Hetres, but I currently am using the 32 mm GB
 Cypres, and I really do like them a bunch. I have been using them on fire
 roads in my area, and I think they have been very versatile and have a nice
 ride. When my wife's Glorius is in need of new tires, I will get her the
 Hetres, even though the Col de la vies are fine. In fact, I can't say for
 sure the Cypres is any better than a non-TG Pasela, but I think it's good
 to have the options that didn't exist a decade ago.

 Does anyone know if the Cypres tires have been empirically compared to the
 Paselas with any conclusive results?

 And has the new 650B Pasela been tested by anyone yet (assuming it is out)
 and compared to the Hetres?


 On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?

 On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you
 want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might
 be better put to use.
 
  I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could
 arrange something.
 
  Dan
 
  On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the
 tires I would consider?
  Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of
 Justice on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in
 Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 
  I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is
 googling) led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they
 are more expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a
 Rivendell (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more
 than I ever thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to
 say, quite frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works
 out pretty good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on
 vacation right now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to
 justify a lot.  So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot
 under good conditions.
 
  If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is
 what I will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire
 with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I
 don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and
 over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
  I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at
 least some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed
 off to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow
 made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned
 out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the
 Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since
 we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail
 sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't
 where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to
 be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off
 to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the
 others in my group don't.
 
  DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my
 son quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and
 will review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier
 on my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
  Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few
 hours.  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the
 tires I would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride
 different places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner
 rather than later to maximize my fun.
 
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds
 of light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
 
  I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix
 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Romel Jacinto

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 7:25:48 AM UTC-7, Kellie wrote:

  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires 
 I would consider? 
 Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of Justice 
 on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in 
 Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..


Box Dog Bikes in San Francisco indicates on their website that they have 
Hetres in stock. It would probably be a good idea to call to confirm before 
heading there though.
FYI, they're just a couple of blocks away from the 16th street BART station 
if you want to go by public transit.

https://boxdogbikes-3.myshopify.com/collections/components/products/tire-650b-grand-bois-1

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Dan McNamara
Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you want. I 
bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might be better 
put to use. 

I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could arrange 
something. 

Dan

 On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I 
 would consider? 
 Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of Justice on 
 Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in Berkeley. 
 Many love the Hetres…..
 
 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling) led 
 me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more 
 expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a Rivendell 
 (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more than I ever 
 thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to say, quite 
 frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works out pretty 
 good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on vacation right now 
 and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to justify a lot.  So I 
 want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot under good conditions. 
 
 If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what I 
 will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire with).  
 I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I don't 
 mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and over, 
 since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
 
 I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at least 
 some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed off to 
 take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow made a 
 wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned out to 
 be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the Joe 
 Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since we 
 didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail sign 
 we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't where 
 we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to be 
 able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off to 
 walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the others 
 in my group don't.
 
 DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
 quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
 review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on my 
 bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
 Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.  Is 
 there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I 
 would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different 
 places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than 
 later to maximize my fun. 
 
 
 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of 
 light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
 
 I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats. 
 But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.
 
 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd 
 give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your 
 Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them; 
 they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are 
 supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't 
 had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel 
 with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm 
 building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more 
 tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.
 
 
 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
 faster and/or have more flats.
 
 With abandon,
 Patrick 
 
 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Dan McNamara
Oops. Yes. 



 On Mar 30, 2015, at 9:47 AM, Kathy Carroll kathyscarr...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?  
 
 On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcnam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you 
  want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might 
  be better put to use. 
 
  I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could 
  arrange something. 
 
  Dan
 
  On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires 
  I would consider? 
  Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of Justice 
  on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in 
  Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 
  I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling) 
  led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more 
  expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a 
  Rivendell (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more 
  than I ever thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to 
  say, quite frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  
  Works out pretty good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta 
  on vacation right now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get 
  to justify a lot.  So I want to make sure I am getting to know the 
  Cheviot under good conditions. 
 
  If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what I 
  will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire 
  with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. 
  I don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over 
  and over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
  I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at least 
  some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed off 
  to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow 
  made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that 
  turned out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride 
  than the Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip). 
   And since we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the 
  end of trail sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we 
  obviously weren't where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail 
  because a pretty gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown 
  Sebastapol and even met up with someone on the way that did it on 
  purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it was a great day and very fortunate 
  we took the wrong trail.  So I want to be able to ride easily and deal 
  with whatever comes up (without getting off to walk too often).  And no 
  sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the others in my group don't.
 
  DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
  quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and 
  will review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The 
  pannier on my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
  Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.  
  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires 
  I would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different 
  places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than 
  later to maximize my fun. 
 
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
 
  Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of 
  light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
  even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
  puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
  goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.
 
  I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats. 
  But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.
 
  On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. 
  I'd give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with 
  your Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like 
  them; they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, 
  which are supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them 
  but I haven't had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on 
  some light gravel with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to 
  me Saluki I'm building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but 
  then I 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Liesl
I giggled out loud at that first kitchen shot. Classic!

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 1:38:53 AM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I tend to favor the kitchen it seems:
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/4205517724
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/2406321019 
 https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.flickr.com%2Fphotos%2Fcyclotourist%2F2406321019sa=Dsntz=1usg=AFQjCNGLx9okMFAt6yWW41tu3BehuDyIig

 Not so good for taking a nap, but snacks are handy.


  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Bruce Herbitter
I recall Jan doing a thorough tire comparison.  The old G.B. Ourson has the
same tread as CDV on a better body and rides noticeably nicer. I have the
non TG pasela 1 1/2 on my Ram and Oursons on the Road with a TREK wearing
Maxy Fastys. They all ride well but the Paselas are the noisiest of the
bunch. The maxy Fastys are best against puncture.  Pari Motos are lovely to
ride on but puncture more easily. Mileage on them is around 2,000 max which
is about the same as the Pasela. The others will get you over 3,000. Cypres
ran in between iirc. I have been trying to use up some of my stockpile
prior to buying new tires, but many of the new offerings are tempting.

On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Dave C david.charles.carr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 That's sounds like a good offer.

 I have never uses the Hetres, but I currently am using the 32 mm GB
 Cypres, and I really do like them a bunch. I have been using them on fire
 roads in my area, and I think they have been very versatile and have a nice
 ride. When my wife's Glorius is in need of new tires, I will get her the
 Hetres, even though the Col de la vies are fine. In fact, I can't say for
 sure the Cypres is any better than a non-TG Pasela, but I think it's good
 to have the options that didn't exist a decade ago.

 Does anyone know if the Cypres tires have been empirically compared to the
 Paselas with any conclusive results?

 And has the new 650B Pasela been tested by anyone yet (assuming it is out)
 and compared to the Hetres?


 On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 9:47:17 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Hi Dan, Was that offer meant for me rather than Kellie?  Hetres?

 On Mar 30, 2015 9:41 AM, Dan McNamara djmcn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Kellie - I have a slightly used pair that you are welcome to try if you
 want. I bought them from the list to have some backup tires but they might
 be better put to use.
 
  I work in Emeryville and drive from San Rafael every day so we could
 arrange something.
 
  Dan
 
  On Mar 30, 2015, at 7:25 AM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com wrote:
 
   Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the
 tires I would consider?
  Lots of bike shops but I don't know who'd have Hetres. Wheels of
 Justice on Solano, Mikes Bikes, Missing Link, Blue Heron; these are all in
 Berkeley. Many love the Hetres…..
 
  On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 7:53:22 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:
 
  I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is
 googling) led me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they
 are more expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a
 Rivendell (even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more
 than I ever thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to
 say, quite frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works
 out pretty good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on
 vacation right now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to
 justify a lot.  So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot
 under good conditions.
 
  If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is
 what I will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire
 with).  I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I
 don't mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and
 over, since I only have one bike to use the tires on.
 
 
 
  I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at
 least some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed
 off to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow
 made a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned
 out to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the
 Joe Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since
 we didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail
 sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't
 where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty
 gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up
 with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it
 was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to
 be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off
 to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the
 others in my group don't.
 
  DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my
 son quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and
 will review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier
 on my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.
 
  Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few
 hours.  Is there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the
 tires I would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread KC
Next challenge.  I can't ride without a mirror. In fact i used 2 bar end 
mirrors on my old bike - i have a condition that results in less peripheral 
vision (minimized eye movement) so it really helps me keep track.  

New bike has bar end shifters that I'm really enjoying.  I added one German 
mirror from riv cuz i didn't see a better option based on my googles and bike 
shop forays.  It's ok, but the distortion is so different. I am used to a much 
truer perspective.  

i really prefer not using a helmet mount. Has anyone seen a good handle bar 
option?It also seems like i should be able to create a mount that would let 
me repurpose my bar end mirrors to mount on the handle bar. Has anyone done 
that?  Hard for me to believe someone else hasn't tackled this already.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-30 Thread Dave C
http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_552651_-1___

http://www.nashbar.com/bikes/Product_10053_10052_535557_-1___

These mounts on the bars themselves, not the ends.

On Monday, March 30, 2015 at 5:18:51 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Next challenge.  I can't ride without a mirror. In fact i used 2 bar end 
 mirrors on my old bike - i have a condition that results in less peripheral 
 vision (minimized eye movement) so it really helps me keep track.   

 New bike has bar end shifters that I'm really enjoying.  I added one 
 German mirror from riv cuz i didn't see a better option based on my googles 
 and bike shop forays.  It's ok, but the distortion is so different. I am 
 used to a much truer perspective.   

 i really prefer not using a helmet mount. Has anyone seen a good handle 
 bar option?It also seems like i should be able to create a mount that 
 would let me repurpose my bar end mirrors to mount on the handle bar. Has 
 anyone done that?  Hard for me to believe someone else hasn't tackled this 
 already.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread KC
I like the concept of the 42's.  My limited research (that is googling) led 
me to believe the Hetres would be a good choice.  While they are more 
expensive, it is important to keep in mind I just justified  a Rivendell 
(even though not the most expensive choice, it was a lot more than I ever 
thought I'd spend for a bike).  I'm old enough that I get to say, quite 
frequently it seems, I only have so many years left...  Works out pretty 
good, especially when added to the fact that I'm sorta on vacation right 
now and in my family, when you go on vacation, you get to justify a lot.  
So I want to make sure I am getting to know the Cheviot under good 
conditions.  

If no one has a reason I shouldn't give the Hetres a try, that is what I 
will probably do (and be sure to take along something to fix a tire with).  
I am interested in hearing if anyone thinks that is a bad choice. I don't 
mind spending the money on them, just don't want to do it over and over, 
since I only have one bike to use the tires on. 

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-8KqJGoZXBy0/VRi5MAHbmvI/AQg/ZngKmuGtgUw/s1600/not-the-joe-rodota%2Btrail.jpg


I don't go out of my way to ride gravel, but I seem to end up on at least 
some gravel everywhere I go.  But only some.  Like today, we headed off 
to take the Joe Rodota trail from Santa Rosa to Sebastapol and somehow made 
a wrong turn right away and ended up on a different trail that turned out 
to be wonderful (photo above) and we thought a much nicer ride than the Joe 
Rodota trail (which we managed to take for the return trip).  And since we 
didn't know we were on the wrong trail, when we got to the end of trail 
sign we kept going because there was still a trail and we obviously weren't 
where we were headed yet.  And at that point, the trail because a pretty 
gravel-heavy trail.  We finally got to downtown Sebastapol and even met up 
with someone on the way that did it on purpose.  Chuck and I both agreed it 
was a great day and very fortunate we took the wrong trail.  So I want to 
be able to ride easily and deal with whatever comes up (without getting off 
to walk too often).  And no sense in me having bullet-proof tires is the 
others in my group don't.

DougP - I appreciate your input, just figured I'd better defend my son 
quickly before he saw the post! I really appreciate all his input (and will 
review the tire decision with him before doing anything).  The pannier on 
my bike was my birthday gift from his family and I'm loving it.

Kellie - I will be back in your area tomorrow morning for a few hours.  Is 
there a bike shop in the area that would likely stock any of the tires I 
would consider?  I'm getting such a great opportunity to ride different 
places while we're here that I'd love to make the swap sooner rather than 
later to maximize my fun.  


On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 4:47:33 PM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of 
 light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's 
 even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly 
 puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in 
 goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.

 I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats. 
 But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.

 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.s...@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote:

 Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd 
 give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your 
 Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them; 
 they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are 
 supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't 
 had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel 
 with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm 
 building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more 
 tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
 faster and/or have more flats.

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason 
 i have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with 
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go 
 fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be 
 lagging 
 behind in the herd of rivs.  

 Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my 
 husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
 On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the 

Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread Kathy Carroll
My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason i
have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with
the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go
fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be lagging
behind in the herd of rivs.

Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my
husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP dougpn...@cox.net wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said
 they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

 In my experience, people who tell me my tires are slow  heavy don't have
 much experience with good quality chubby tires.  The impression of big
 tires being slow is often based on experience with cheap MTB knobbies or
 beach cruisers.  If your son is riding narrow high pressure tires it's no
 surprise this would be his opinion.  I'd say to ride the bike as-is  see
 how you feel about the speed.  I think Grant wrote about riding with people
 who wouldn't leave you behind.  Our children, OTH, can be a special case.
 If he's that fast, tell him to circle back.  He'll get more miles in that
 way.

 dougP

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:40:52 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for
 extreme speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm
 cheviot 650b 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with
 cuz my son said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread Deacon Patrick
Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
faster and/or have more flats.

With abandon,
Patrick 

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason i 
 have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with 
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go 
 fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be lagging 
 behind in the herd of rivs.  

 Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my 
 husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
 On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said 
 they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

 In my experience, people who tell me my tires are slow  heavy don't have 
 much experience with good quality chubby tires.  The impression of big 
 tires being slow is often based on experience with cheap MTB knobbies or 
 beach cruisers.  If your son is riding narrow high pressure tires it's no 
 surprise this would be his opinion.  I'd say to ride the bike as-is  see 
 how you feel about the speed.  I think Grant wrote about riding with people 
 who wouldn't leave you behind.  Our children, OTH, can be a special case.  
 If he's that fast, tell him to circle back.  He'll get more miles in that 
 way.

 dougP

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:40:52 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for 
 extreme speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm 
 cheviot 650b 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with 
 cuz my son said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread Kellie
Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd 
give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your 
Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them; 
they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are 
supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't 
had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel 
with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm 
building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more 
tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get 
 faster and/or have more flats.

 With abandon,
 Patrick 

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason i 
 have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with 
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go 
 fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be lagging 
 behind in the herd of rivs.  

 Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my 
 husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
 On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son 
 said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

 In my experience, people who tell me my tires are slow  heavy don't 
 have much experience with good quality chubby tires.  The impression of big 
 tires being slow is often based on experience with cheap MTB knobbies 
 or beach cruisers.  If your son is riding narrow high pressure tires it's 
 no surprise this would be his opinion.  I'd say to ride the bike as-is  
 see how you feel about the speed.  I think Grant wrote about riding with 
 people who wouldn't leave you behind.  Our children, OTH, can be a special 
 case.  If he's that fast, tell him to circle back.  He'll get more miles in 
 that way.

 dougP

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:40:52 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for 
 extreme speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm 
 cheviot 650b 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with 
 cuz my son said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread James Warren
Hetres


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On Mar 29, 2015, at 1:40 PM, KC kathyscarr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for extreme 
 speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm cheviot 650b 
 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said 
 they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread islaysteve
KC, to expand on James' post above, Grand Bois Hetres have been the darlings of 
this group and others, for their smooth and seemingly fast ride.  They are not 
cheap.  This seems to be a Golden Age for 650b tires, with  new tires being 
introduced by GB and other makers.  There is a related 650b Google group that 
you might want to check out.  Another option is the Pari Moto (38), which has 
been introduce in a more reasonably price gravel version.  Cheers,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread dougP
KC:

Apologies to your son for my assuming he was speaking from a racing 
perspective.  He could be onto something.

The Continental Tour Rides weigh in at 675 grams per their website for 42 
mm 650B.  By contrast, Compass Baby Shoe Pass are 390 grams and the Hetre 
are 412 grams.  Both are $59.  One of our Riv group rode Strada Rossa last 
weekend on the Hetres with no flats.  Compass (Jan Heine) is big on supple, 
comfy tires.  Might be something to consider if you continue to feel the 
Contis are kinda doggy.  

FWIW, I picked up a pair of 26 x 1.75 Continentals (not sure of the 
model) on sale for an old MTB for utility use.  They did feel kinda clunky 
but they were cheap.  Later I stumbled onto a pair of Schwalbe Marathon 
Supremes in 26 x 2  those felt a whole lot lighter  cushier than the 
Contis.  

We're not normally a bunch of weight weenies here but you are spinning up 
an extra 500+ grams of tire weight over what you would with tires in the 
400 gram per tire range.  

dougP

On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:25:00 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason i 
 have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with 
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go 
 fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be lagging 
 behind in the herd of rivs.  

 Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my 
 husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
 On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net javascript: wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said 
 they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

 In my experience, people who tell me my tires are slow  heavy don't have 
 much experience with good quality chubby tires.  The impression of big 
 tires being slow is often based on experience with cheap MTB knobbies or 
 beach cruisers.  If your son is riding narrow high pressure tires it's no 
 surprise this would be his opinion.  I'd say to ride the bike as-is  see 
 how you feel about the speed.  I think Grant wrote about riding with people 
 who wouldn't leave you behind.  Our children, OTH, can be a special case.  
 If he's that fast, tell him to circle back.  He'll get more miles in that 
 way.

 dougP

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 1:40:52 PM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for 
 extreme speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm 
 cheviot 650b 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with 
 cuz my son said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread stonehog
Baby Shoes or Hetres. Amazing tires, and they go Fast!!

Brian Hanson
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread Dan McNamara
I did not care for the Tour Rides. They were pretty dead feeling. Switched over 
to the 650B Big Bens and was much happier. This was on the Bombadil. 

On the Cheviot I have the Soma New Express and on the Betty we have Soma 
B-Line. I prefer the B-Line although they are not as puncture resistant as the 
New Express. You can find B-Lines for decent prices.  New Express measure 36 
and the B-Line measure 38. 

Ultimately I am going to put Rock N' Roads on the Cheviot as I intend to use it 
for some trail riding. 



My .02

Dan

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 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for extreme 
 speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm cheviot 650b 
 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son said 
 they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 
 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-29 Thread Patrick Moore
Kellie: the magic ingredient that allows one much of the best worlds of
light, supple tires and freedom from punctures is Stan's or (I hear it's
even better) Orange Seal. Stan's has let me use otherwise hopelessly
puncture prone Schwalbe Furious Freds and Challenge Parigi Roubaix in
goathead land where I'd get a thorn flat literally every couple of miles.

I'm with you; I can't stand stiff, sluggish tires; I'd rather fix flats.
But modern sealants have squared the otherwise impossible circle.

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 4:14 PM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:

 Tires do change easily but they can also be an expensive experiment. I'd
 give the Tour Rides a little more time and get really familiar with your
 Cheviot. I also had the Tour Rides on my Hillborne. I didn't like them;
 they felt stiff. That's when I switched to the GB Cypress, which are
 supple and buttery smooth. Some complain of flats with them but I haven't
 had a one for over a year. Even rode a 50 mile day on some light gravel
 with them. They're now planned to reside on my new to me Saluki I'm
 building. The Cypress' also started on my Cheviot, but then I wanted more
 tread and thicker tires for grip/comfort on the dirt trails.


 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 2:46:57 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:

 Tires change easily. Try the tires you want to try and see if you get
 faster and/or have more flats.

 With abandon,
 Patrick

 On Sunday, March 29, 2015 at 3:25:00 PM UTC-6, KC wrote:

 My son is a member of this group, rides several rivs and is the reason i
 have the cheviot with 650b 42 tires. Specifically, he was concerned with
 the continental tour rides they put on it. Riv response is you don't go
 fast when you get flats.  I get that, but you also don't want to be lagging
 behind in the herd of rivs.

 Haven't had a chance to even show my new bike to my son yet.  But my
 husband seems to be riding faster than me and that's not the plan
 On Mar 29, 2015 2:16 PM, dougP doug...@cox.net wrote:

 I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with cuz my son
 said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group? 

 In my experience, people who tell me my tires are slow  heavy don't
 have much experience with good quality chubby tires.  The impression of big
 tires being slow is often based on experience with cheap MTB knobbies
 or beach cruisers.  If your son is riding narrow high pressure tires it's
 no surprise this would be his opinion.  I'd say to ride the bike as-is 
 see how you feel about the speed.  I think Grant wrote about riding with
 people who wouldn't leave you behind.  Our children, OTH, can be a special
 case.  If he's that fast, tell him to circle back.  He'll get more miles in
 that way.

 dougP

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 Not sure I'm happy with my standard build tires. I am not looking for
 extreme speed by any means, but don't want to be lagging behind.  50cm
 cheviot 650b 42. I may be predisposed to not love the tires it came with
 cuz my son said they are slow/heavy. suggestions from this group?

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-21 Thread Patrick Moore
Can someone explain or point me to a description of and explanation of the
differences between:

The Appaloosa;
The Clems;
The Cheviot;
And any other high-swept-back-bar'd, long-stay'd model?

As for bikes in bedroom: I used to park my Falcon next to my bed. One night
the tube at 120 psi (19 mm tires!!)* shoved the lousy rim strip aside just
enough to puncture itself on the sharp edge of the nipple hole: BANG!!! at
2 am! A rude awakening indeed. The moral is: use Velox.

*Silly tires, but a nice frame that I wish I'd kept: it would have made a
wonderful fixie beater.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2015 at 12:27 PM, Kellie kellie.staple...@gmail.com wrote:

 Solution; a Riv for every room! (-:

 On Saturday, March 21, 2015 at 7:44:44 AM UTC-7, Melanie wrote:

 Oh, I don't know.  The bedroom is the place for Rivs!
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/7563204@N05/16856700776/

 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 1:19:58 PM UTC-4, Liesl wrote:

 I say not only store your bike in the living room, but work on it there,
 too!  It's way more pleasant!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-20 Thread Leslie
On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:06:54 PM UTC-4, KC wrote:

 Yes, but you very considerately kept the bike off the hardwood floor.   
 Or were you protecting the tires by making sure they were on the carpet? 



Oh, the Rumpkins can handle hardwood   ;)   

Actually, it was the kickstand I was thinkin' of, not wanting it on the 
wood..

 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-20 Thread Kathy
Yes, but you very considerately kept the bike off the hardwood floor.  
Or were you protecting the tires by making sure they were on the carpet?


On 3/20/2015 8:48 AM, Leslie wrote:

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-20 Thread dougP
These little dudes will protect your floor:

http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/k3.htm

Made in Switzerland  sold for $1, fob Walnut Creek.  They wear out, get 
lost, etc., so I order them several at a time to fill out an order from 
Rivendell.  They make a nice giveaway when someone notices  says they want 
one.  

dougP

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 On Friday, March 20, 2015 at 12:06:54 PM UTC-4, KC wrote:

 Yes, but you very considerately kept the bike off the hardwood floor.   
 Or were you protecting the tires by making sure they were on the carpet? 



 Oh, the Rumpkins can handle hardwood   ;)   

 Actually, it was the kickstand I was thinkin' of, not wanting it on the 
 wood..

  


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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-19 Thread René Sterental
Beautiful bikes both!

Congratulations on that new ride! Ring your bell back if you see a hefty
guy on a an Atlantis with a cream decal on its down tube and... oh well,
just ring your bell at everyone riding a bike with a smile on their face!

Amazing how so many people pass me (in both directions) on road bikes with
grimaces on their faces and total un-acknowledgement... what are they
chasing?

René

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 https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-Cxo5I9neLII/VQsDb4azdwI/AVQ/YEXF3VFg2EA/s1600/untitled-3.jpg
 Congrats! Great, bullmoose bars! I toyed with those on my new Cheviot (I
 got the green), but had the Albatross from another build. Here's mine. I
 put heftier tires on with the rains 'cuz I was 'ariding up in them hills.


 On Thursday, March 19, 2015 at 8:22:38 AM UTC-7, KC wrote:

 This may not make it up because I am a new member and my first posting
 from over a week ago hasn't shown up.  I just want to share with everyone
 that I got my Cheviot 2 days ago and I love it..  Went on a long ride
 yesterday (with my husband riding his new Space Horse thanks to this
 group) and had so much fun.  Should've bought a good bike years ago.

 It is beautiful.  Only problem is I refused to leave it outside and my
 husband is not really pleased with it in the motor home.  But my son
 understood completely.  He bought a used Cross Check last week and has it
 in the house because he just loves looking at it (and he has several Rivs
 out in the garage so it shouldn't be quite as special an experience for
 him).

 I just don't have any good bicycle knowledge, although I've really been
 studying up and know 100 times more than I did 4 months ago.  So it was a
 little scary for me buying this bike, but I couldn't shake the way the
 Rivendell philosophy spoke to me and I daughter-in-law graciously let me
 ride her too-big-for-me Glorius enough that it helped.  I had to really
 rely on Keven.  He patiently answered all my questions, but really I had to
 just rely on him and I would say the bike is spot-on for me.  Did I mention
 it is beautiful, - in a very rugged, sporty way.  I agonized over orange
 because I loved my daughter-in-law's blue bikes, but the orange with the
 blue highlights is just perfect.

 As I said, I don't really know bikes but it was like a feast just looking
 at the beautiful bikes in their shop Monday.  The Clems and Clementines are
 there with beautiful paint jobs.  The curves on the Clementine are so
 nice.  Makes me want to buy one even though that would be the most
 ridiculous thing I could do.  It is a sickness.  We'll be dropping by again
 to pick up a few things - if there is a specific photo someone would like,
 I'm sure they wouldn't mind if we took it.  Let me know.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-19 Thread Kathy Carroll
What's not to love! Especially the cool details on the handle bar wrap.
Very creative.

Kellie, I agonized over color choice and didn't see the green in advance so
settled on orange. Saw a green frame at their shop yesterday and thought it
was very nice. Takes on different color in different lighting I think.
Loved the mud on your tires - gives an idea of the fun you had

Thank you all for letting me share my joy.

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 KC, Welcome to the group—and always extra fantastic to see a new woman
posting!  Congrat's on your Cheviot and thanks for posting photos.  I'm
attaching a shot of Erin's big 60cm Cheviot that she's in love with!
-Liesl, a.k.a Riv Chica Warrior

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Re: [RBW] Re: Got my new Cheviot

2015-03-19 Thread islaysteve
Welcome, KC.  The orange with blue accents is a stunning color combination!  
Reminds me of the orange Sams which some people accented with blue bar tape.  
Enjoy your ride! Cheers,
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