Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Chances are, Bruce, that Eric simply replied via email, so had no way to 
see the thread was deleted prior to your response.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 6:27:48 PM UTC-6, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Eric:
>
>   Jim deleted the parent thread to this post and asked that we stop it. 
>  Please do.
>
>   Thanks
>
>  Bruce
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Fullylugged]

Eric:

  Jim deleted the parent thread to this post and asked that we stop it.  Please 
do.

  Thanks

 Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Eric Daume]

It’s only a very tiny bit of snake oil.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[DHans]

Yeah, I agree let’s not debate these unrelated issues. I defended DP from 
others but I think the last post may be a bridge too far. Let’s stick to bikes. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

Hey all.   Homeopathic remedies have no place on this bike list. Specifically 
arguing about it.  Can we please stop posts either way?

I hope the virus crisis passes soon and with as little impact as possible so we 
can all worry about saddle height and if chainstays have gotten too long

Regards to all 

BH  

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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[David Bivins]

Glad you're on the mend, neighbor!

David B also in Brooklyn

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 9:25 AM lambbo  wrote:

> I just tested positive for Coronavirus!
>
> Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my
> baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai West),
> are all fine and have not bad symptoms, and in fact we've done a great job
> quarantining, and *could *go out now via CDC guidelines, tho we want to
> be very careful.
>
> So, let it be know, comm
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 4:33:05 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not
>> convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I
>> mean obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's
>> not in the spirit of what we're being asked to do here.
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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Curtis McKenzie]

Glad you are feeling better and your family is fine.

Curtis
El Cajon, CA

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 6:25 AM lambbo  wrote:

> I just tested positive for Coronavirus!
>
> Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my
> baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai West),
> are all fine and have not bad symptoms, and in fact we've done a great job
> quarantining, and *could *go out now via CDC guidelines, tho we want to
> be very careful.
>
> So, let it be know, comm
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 4:33:05 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not
>> convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I
>> mean obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's
>> not in the spirit of what we're being asked to do here.
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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bill Lindsay]

Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 6:25:07 AM UTC-7, lambbo wrote:
>
> I just tested positive for Coronavirus!  
>
> Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my 
> baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai West), 
> are all fine and have not bad symptoms, and in fact we've done a great job 
> quarantining, and *could *go out now via CDC guidelines, tho we want to 
> be very careful. 
>
> So, let it be know, comm 
> On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 4:33:05 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not 
>> convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I 
>> mean obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's 
>> not in the spirit of what we're being asked to do here. 
>
>

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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[lambbo]

I just tested positive for Coronavirus!  

Good news is I'm healthy (after flu-like symptoms that were no fun) and my 
baby daughter and wife (who is a CNM, NP and works at Mount Sinai West), 
are all fine and have not bad symptoms, and in fact we've done a great job 
quarantining, and *could *go out now via CDC guidelines, tho we want to be 
very careful. 

So, let it be know, comm 
On Friday, March 20, 2020 at 4:33:05 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not 
> convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I 
> mean obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's 
> not in the spirit of what we're being asked to do here. 

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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

Yes you posted this already. I'm in California, not Alabama, and I'm not 
convinced a group ride of any distances from each other will be allowed. I mean 
obviously it's hard to enforce and you may not get stopped, but it's not in the 
spirit of what we're being asked to do here. 

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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

Alabama executive order limits gatherings INSIDE closed spaces at 25 and recommends no more than 10.  On our club ride tonight, we had 7 riders, all properly spaced, no touching, spitting, coughing, etc,  it was very enjoyable.  Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Joe BernardSent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in packs of people, they'll give you a ticket for that. Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't enough): Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of residents will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you assume a mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 610k. In one state.   -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41c329c8-7acb-4ed8-8c2e-be1f22c4e9b0%40googlegroups.com. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

Daniel, it's good to hear that's the "if we did nothing" number, although I 
suspect the eventual "we did something" number will still be harrowing. 

All, I have no interest in debates about homeopathy, I just know this: Right 
now we have a shockingly contagious virus that's killing people, including 
young people it wasn't supposed to kill. We need to try to stop the spread 
while developing a vaccine plus herd immunity. Until we get there our lives are 
going to be bombarded with this damn thing and it's going to take our economy 
with it. We're just going to have to fight it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Eric G@rs]

Patrick (Moore, not Deacon),


I agree with your assessment that “if there is anything unscientific, it's 
blanket, unanalyzed statements about what is and what isn't science.”  I 
assume that you are referring to what I said about homeopathy given that 
you make specific mention of it in your post. As I mentioned, the 
fundamental idea of homeopathy is that a substance becomes stronger as it 
becomes more dilute — often to a degree in which not even a single molecule 
of that substance exists in the final preparation of the “medicine”. That 
idea, to me, is implausible given what I think that I know about the 
natural world. Lots of ideas that seem implausible turn out to be true, so 
it is reasonable to require evidence to support my assertion that 
homeopathy works for nothing other than placebo. I have no intention of 
writing a treatise on the science of homeopathy to convince you, as many 
others have already done so. There have been numerous clinical trials and 
meta-analyses that examine the clinical effect of homeopathy which conclude 
that there is no evidence that homeopathy is effective. I will refer you to 
the report published by the National Health and Medical Research Council of 
Australia to peruse at your leisure (linked below). I hope that nothing 
that I said was in any way offensive. My re-reading of my post does not 
sound like it to me, but I am open to the idea that I am not the best judge 
of what is or is not offensive to others. In the absence of any rigorous 
positive data on the efficacy of homeopathy, though, I was compelled to 
offer a dissenting position on the subject on a public forum. You are 
correct that I should have included at least one reference in my initial 
post. 


https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/sites/default/files/images/nhmrc-information-paper-effectiveness-of-homeopathy.pdf


Eric G@rs

SF

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Eric G@rs]

Patrick (Moore, not Deacon),


I agree with your assessment that “if there is anything unscientific, it's 
blanket, unanalyzed statements about what is and what isn't science.”  I 
assume that you are referring to what I said about homeopathy given that 
you make specific mention of it in your post. As I mentioned, the 
fundamental idea of homeopathy is that a substance becomes stronger as it 
becomes more dilute — often to a degree in which not even a single molecule 
of that substance exists in the final preparation of the “medicine”. That 
idea, to me, is implausible given what I think that I know about the 
natural world. Lots of ideas that seem implausible turn out to be true, 
though, so it is reasonable to require evidence to support my assertion 
that homeopathy works for nothing other than placebo. 

I have no intention of writing a treatise on the science of homeopathy to 
convince you, though, as many others have already done so. There have been 
numerous clinical trials and meta-analyses that examine the clinical effect 
of homeopathy which conclude that there is no evidence that homeopathy is 
effective. I will refer you to the report published by the National Health 
and Medical Research Council of Australia to peruse at your leisure (linked 
below). I hope that nothing that I said was in any way offensive. My 
re-reading of my post does not sound like it to me, but I am open to the 
idea that I am not the best judge of what is or is not offensive to others. 
In the absence of any rigorous positive data on the efficacy of homeopathy, 
though, I felt it necessary to offer a dissenting position on the subject 
in a public forum. You are correct that I should have included at least one 
reference in my initial post. 


https://www.nhmrc.gov.au/sites/default/files/images/nhmrc-information-paper-effectiveness-of-homeopathy.pdf

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Daniel D.]

A spokesperson for Newsom later told Politico that the 56 percent number 
reflects the infection rate if "mitigation efforts aren't taken into account."
https://m.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/california-coronavirus-numbers-newsom-trump-15144169.php
On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 8:11:29 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin 
> County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, 
> gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes 
> around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in 
> packs of people, they'll give you a ticket for that.
> 
> Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't 
> enough): Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of 
> residents will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you 
> assume a mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 
> 610k. In one state.

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RE: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

Alabama executive order limits gatherings INSIDE closed spaces at 25 and recommends no more than 10.  On our club ride tonight, we had 7 riders, all properly spaced, no touching, spitting, coughing, etc,  it was very enjoyable.  Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Joe BernardSent: Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:11 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in packs of people, they'll give you a ticket for that. Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't enough): Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of residents will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you assume a mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 610k. In one state.   -- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/41c329c8-7acb-4ed8-8c2e-be1f22c4e9b0%40googlegroups.com. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

In California - we were already under the Shelter In Place this week in Marin 
County - it means you can walk and bike alone, and drive to get groceries, gas, 
takeout food. I've been out there and there's a few cars and bikes around, but 
it's unusually quiet. What you don't want to do is get caught in packs of 
people, they'll give you a ticket for that.

Now for the super bad part (like the dystopia I just described wasn't enough): 
Gov. Newsom's letter to the president says the state projects 56% of residents 
will have the virus in 8 weeks. That's 25.5 Million people. If you assume a 
mortality rate of 2%, which right now is a low estimate, that's 610k. In one 
state.  

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Addisonwilhite]

I enjoyed a nice ride here in Reno today. Lots of families out at the parks 
with kids which seemed weird. Good to get out. Sorry no photos.  Rode one of my 
beautiful Della Santas.  Came home with a smile on my face. 

Addison 
RENO 

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> On Mar 19, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Eric Floden  wrote:
> 
> 
> We are not locked down in Vancouver BC, but we live on a well used bike route 
> (York Avenue). One of my pastimes is sitting on the balcony watching the 
> bikes go by. What fun! Great way to drink my coffee.
> 
> Anyway, in the last week, almost no group rides, certainly none greater than 
> say 4. However, quite a few kids and parents all on bikes. 
> 
> I am going out twice a day generally, and having a wonderful solitary time 
> out and about
> 
> Stay well
> 
> Eric F
> Vancouver
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Addisonwilhite]

I’m a rationalist, humanist, atheist, Buddhist, and find Deacon Patrick’s last 
response reflective and poignant.  Whatever faith we have or don’t have this is 
a time to not only think of others but “serve” them as well. We are in this 
together!  

Much respect and love to you all,
Addison
Reno 

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> 
> The mistake was mine. I never intended to stir up discord and apologize for 
> doing so. I bow out of this thread and topic and pray the healing balm of 
> peace may wrap each of us in the challenges we face, freeing us to serve 
> those around us. 
> 
> With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Eric Floden]

We are not locked down in Vancouver BC, but we live on a well used bike
route (York Avenue). One of my pastimes is sitting on the balcony watching
the bikes go by. What fun! Great way to drink my coffee.

Anyway, in the last week, almost no group rides, certainly none greater
than say 4. However, quite a few kids and parents all on bikes.

I am going out twice a day generally, and having a wonderful solitary time
out and about

Stay well

Eric F
Vancouver

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Drw]

So to move on... what does the stay at home thing mean for biking? Also weren’t 
you SF people already under this ordinance? Are people actually doing it? 
Unfortunately I don’t really see people in LA adhering to this without some 
sort of repercussions for not.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

The mistake was mine. I never intended to stir up discord and apologize for 
doing so. I bow out of this thread and topic and pray the healing balm of 
peace may wrap each of us in the challenges we face, freeing us to serve 
those around us. 

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

Meanwhile California is in a statewide Stay At Home, whatever-the-hell THAT 
means. So yay. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[DHans]

Thank you for posting this Patrick Moore. It is tiring hearing cliches such as 
climate denier and science denier used to ridicule a person who has obviously 
given these topics much thought, right or wrong they may be. And, to also 
ridicule their religion in one post and then in the next post of apology say 
they will pray for all of us is so hypocritical as to be laughable. 
Doug

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Patrick Moore]

Those of you making blanket statements about what science is or is not, or
what is scientific and what is not, please post your probative research,
including methodology and procedures. Also clearly isolate and state your
assumed premises. Or post research by others who have done this.

If there is anything unscientific, it's blanket, unanalyzed statements
about what is and what isn't science.

I know something about the history and philosophy of science, having
studied the genesis of modern science from the pre-Socratics through Hook,
Boyle, Lavoisier, Galileo Descartes, and Newton, all the way to quantum
theory and relativity. I've read the big 19th and 20th century names in the
analysis of scientific theories, scientific methodology, and the philosophy
of mathematical science: Bernard, Duhem, Whitehead, Poincare, Popper,
Heisenberg, Kuhn, Nagel, Medawar, and more. None of these thinkers made
broad assertions about science without proof; and the great scientists
themselves have been very aware of the "artistic" or "creative" side of
scientific theory, the narrow scope of the scientific method, particularly
analysis by mathemetics, ie by measurment, and to the possibility of
"non-scientific" truth "outside" the restricted sphere of scientific
competence. Read Whitehead.

Homeopathy may be moonshine or it may be true or it may be in between; the
question remains until someone shows rigorous evidence commensurate with a
related and clearly formulated hypothesis to be tested.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Robert Tilley]

  I've been riding "seriously" now for 35 years and I have never been hospitalized for anything yet. I also hike, snowboard, paddleboard, etc. and haven't had an injury yet that has caused me to go in. I have crashed and been hit by cars but I was lucky and got out with no serious injuries. The car collision was high speed and I flew over the hood but I got out of it with only some serious bruising and I was at work the next day. But I was young...Now my rides are primarily utility rides for getting stuff done. I have a bike path near my home which allows me to get to most places I need to get to without dealing with traffic. So, based on my past history along with my low risk routes, I don't see an issue with me going out and riding as normal. I won't be mountain biking for a while even though I've never had an issue doing it. There is a greater chance of getting hurt so I won't risk that yet.Robert TilleySan Diego, CA Sent from my BlackBerry - the most secure mobile device   From: tapebu...@gmail.comSent: March 19, 2020 6:37 AMTo: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comReply-to: rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.comSubject: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World  This thought is weighing on me as well. I ride solo >95% of the time. Two very old and very dear friends wanted to get together for a leisurely ride, and I begged off for this reason. It's an extremely low risk, but if one of us crashes, and needs to go to the ER, I just don't want to be a burden to the system. I can reduce that already small likelihood by not riding. As a result, the two of them went for a walk instead. I don't know whether to feel good about it because I marginally decreased risk, or bad about it, because I threw a wet blanket on dear friends wanting a tiny amount of human interaction on our bikes. Bill LindsayEl Cerrito, CAOn Wednesday, March 18, 2020 at 3:54:57 PM UTC-7, Scott Calhoun wrote:There is another perspective on this from Spain. A doctor there (who is also a cyclist) made a video pleading with cyclists not to ride at all in this point in this point in the outbreak as there are simply not doctors and space to handle cycling accidents on top of the virus patients. My daughter lives in Madrid and she and her riding friends are only riding home trainers right now.I'm not suggesting we are there yet, or telling others what to do, but I'm personally only doing solo rides right now. The majority of cycling accidents I've been involved in and know of occured on group rides. Riding solo is risk mitigation. Keeping out of the emergency room helps everybody at least as much as social distancing. Scott CalhounTucson, AZOn Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:21:11 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:People really appreciate the bell on the trail, even more than the usual gushing. Lots of great interactions from a few steps back, as folks release the tensions they have. Interactions are easier now that everyone social distances (which I've long tried to do because of the scents of most peoples laundry, shampoo etc, let alone the effect of unexpected hand on the shoulder. Sardonic grin.).I saw the Bay area is instructed to shelter in place save for food, emergencies, care of others, and exercise. Time for some long rides to the middle of nowhere, aye?With abandon,Patrick 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve asked:

"Do you stay out of the bathtub for the same reason? "

Great question. I probably have averaged 1 or 2 baths per year over the 
last 2 decades, but that's mainly for water conservation reasons. I 
probably take about 5 showers per week on average. I confess that fear of 
injury does not usually influence whether or not I take a shower. 

In the current situation, I am very concerned about the capabilities of the 
healthcare infrastructure. There is no doubt in my mind that somebody will 
die in the next few weeks purely because they had a treatable condition but 
the healthcare system couldn't provide that treatment. That will either be 
from there being too few healthy front line caregivers, or too many 
patients, or too little critical medical supplies. Anything I can do to 
reduce the likelihood of me grabbing some of those constrained resources 
seems like a good citizen thing to do. I have to balance that against my 
own life, as does every adult. It would not be reasonable to put myself 
into a medical induced coma for 6 months to ride it out. Life is still out 
there to be lived. I'll probably think it over on a slow solo bicycle ride. 
The sun is out today and the fresh air would do me good. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Thursday, March 19, 2020 at 6:55:35 AM UTC-7, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>
> On 3/19/20 9:37 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote: 
> > This thought is weighing on me as well. I ride solo >95% of the time. 
> > Two very old and very dear friends wanted to get together for a 
> > leisurely ride, and I begged off for this reason. It's an extremely 
> > low risk, but if one of us crashes, and needs to go to the ER, I just 
> > don't want to be a burden to the system. I can reduce that already 
> > small likelihood by not riding. As a result, the two of them went for 
> > a walk instead. I don't know whether to feel good about it because I 
> > marginally decreased risk, or bad about it, because I threw a wet 
> > blanket on dear friends wanting a tiny amount of human interaction on 
> > our bikes. 
> > 
>
> Do you stay out of the bathtub for the same reason? 
>
> Don't think going for a walk is all that safe.  Walk, trip, fall and 
> break bones happens all the time. 
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar 
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

On 3/19/20 9:37 AM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
This thought is weighing on me as well. I ride solo >95% of the time. 
Two very old and very dear friends wanted to get together for a 
leisurely ride, and I begged off for this reason. It's an extremely 
low risk, but if one of us crashes, and needs to go to the ER, I just 
don't want to be a burden to the system. I can reduce that already 
small likelihood by not riding. As a result, the two of them went for 
a walk instead. I don't know whether to feel good about it because I 
marginally decreased risk, or bad about it, because I threw a wet 
blanket on dear friends wanting a tiny amount of human interaction on 
our bikes.




Do you stay out of the bathtub for the same reason?

Don't think going for a walk is all that safe.  Walk, trip, fall and 
break bones happens all the time.



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RE: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

The mortality rate should go down as more people are tested and we get a more 
realistic figure of how many have it and are surviving. But even a 2% mortality 
rate for a virus this monstrously contagious..well..I hoped I would never see 
this day...  

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RE: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bruce Herbitter]

I look at the total # of resolved cases (either died or recovered) which gives a mortality rate currently around 10%. About that same as SARS which is also a Corona Virus but less contagious. Expectation is that 40% - 70% of the US population will get it at some point.  Unfortunately, we have no idea how accurate any of the data is right now.  Kind of sobering.  (8,411 deaths and 84,121 recoveries as I type this) Bruce Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Nick PayneSent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:52 PMTo: RBW Owners BunchSubject: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World Present US population ~330 million. On Johns Hopkins figures (https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6) so far from COVID-19 there are ~8800 deaths from 218000 cases - that's about 4% death rate. If half the US population gets this in the next 12 months, which is a reasonable ballpark figure given that there is no immunity and no vaccine, even if we say that the death rate is really only 2%, because a lot of mild cases have been missed, you still have 330,000,000 / 2 * 0.02 = 3.3 million deaths... Extrapolate that to the world population, and you get about 60 million dead - pretty much the same as the Spanish flu in 1918-20.On Sunday, 15 March 2020 08:27:03 UTC+11, Deacon Patrick wrote:In 2017-18 there were 80,000 deaths from the flu in the US. 900,000 people went to the hospital because of the flu. Per: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html Make of that what you will.-- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group.To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/rbw-owners-bunch/6UcP-pX6JZ4/unsubscribe.To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com.To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/rbw-owners-bunch/2052da13-3c25-4459-9ccc-0ee5c66b701a%40googlegroups.com. 



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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Bill Lindsay]

For those who don't like to click on links to articles, the Bicycling 
Magazine article linked in this post interviews a doctor who recommends 
that solo-riding is the safest course of action.  It also says being 
outdoors by yourself is good for you and also makes clear that UV exposure 
kills the virus so most outdoor surfaces are probably virus free.  The 
oft-repeated warning that bears repeating is that we don't know how long 
somebody can be contagious prior to that person being symptomatic.  I 
already was pretty good about laundering my gloves, but these days, I'm 
washing my gloves and bandannas immediately after every ride.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Monday, March 16, 2020 at 4:18:02 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> As a RUSA RBA, my events are still on, and I have reminded riders about 
> social distance, no snot rockets, don't come if you have a cough or are 
> sneezing etc.  As ride committee chair for our local bike club, our rides 
> are still on, same rules.  The # of riders is not large on any given 
> outing. We did postpone all club meetings, where groups of people would be 
> sitting in a closed space together. Bicycling Magazine had some input on 
> riding in the current situation which may be of interest:
> https://www.bicycling.com/news/a31469228/cycling-during-coronavirus/ 
>
> The science of Covid-19 is incomplete, even as researchers in many places 
> rush to gain traction in this area. I track the daily case #s (
> https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
>  
> and while the new case curve has flattened in China, it is climbing 
> elsewhere. The current data shows a much more lethal disease than 
> influenza, and less so than SARS (also a corona virus family disease) but 
> more contagious than either. All the public data is also incomplete because 
> testing is far from universal. As I write this for example, 7.7% of the 
> resolved cases resulted in death. If you are not exposed to the virus, you 
> won't get sick with it. Pretty simple. If you have the virus, and you don't 
> expose anyone else, they won't get sick either. Scientists and 
> non-scientists can agree on that much. Stockpiles of toilet paper will not 
> help. Avoiding panic will help. The CDC guidelines are helpful and we 
> should pay attention. The more we curtail our exposure, remember to wash 
> our hands and not touch our faces after touching something else, the less 
> Covid-19 will spread. 
>
> Repeating false but inflammatory FaceBook memes or trying to make other 
> non-related philosophical/political points is counter productive.  The 
> virus doesn't care what your politics, social status, religion, or anything 
> else is.  Working in coordination will be more helpful than bickering about 
> it. 
>
> Tailwinds! 
>
> Bruce 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Garth]

 I was thinking the same thing of you Patrick.  I appreciate everyone  
all of this . I appreciate LIFE and all of LIFE's Aliveness  which 
is as much "us"... as "we" LIFE .   

This comes to mind about dis-agreement, and how that simply never happens 
in reality.  Think about about  you can't dis-agree without present 
agreement. There's no negating what is.  

"Distance"  , a separation would require the claimant to be the very place 
the claim of separation claims a departure from. 


For a flawed being to exist here, anywhere in all of Existence  .that 
too would identify Perfection/Presence at hand  from which the claim 
claims capability of departure from.  Just where would that ability, power 
come from ?  Again , it's like a repeating loop of no-can-do.  


There is no place like Home ... ever at hand ... ever present . and 
this is it.  

  




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> Garth -- I appreciate your good nature.
>
> Patrick
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Shall we virtual pace line in a museum hop and discuss art? I'm partial to 
the classics. 
https://www.travelandleisure.com/attractions/museums-galleries/museums-with-virtual-tours

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Jan's piece is well done, and puts it all in perspective with reference to 
cycling limitations during WWII. 
https://www.renehersecycles.com/adjusting-to-new-realities/

With abandon,
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Fullylugged]

As a RUSA RBA, my events are still on, and I have reminded riders about social 
distance, no snot rockets, don't come if you have a cough or are sneezing etc.  
As ride committee chair for our local bike club, our rides are still on, same 
rules.  The # of riders is not large on any given outing. We did postpone all 
club meetings, where groups of people would be sitting in a closed space 
together. Bicycling Magazine had some input on riding in the current situation 
which may be of interest:
https://www.bicycling.com/news/a31469228/cycling-during-coronavirus/

The science of Covid-19 is incomplete, even as researchers in many places rush 
to gain traction in this area. I track the daily case #s 
(https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6)
 and while the new case curve has flattened in China, it is climbing elsewhere. 
The current data shows a much more lethal disease than influenza, and less so 
than SARS (also a corona virus family disease) but more contagious than either. 
All the public data is also incomplete because testing is far from universal. 
As I write this for example, 7.7% of the resolved cases resulted in death. If 
you are not exposed to the virus, you won't get sick with it. Pretty simple. If 
you have the virus, and you don't expose anyone else, they won't get sick 
either. Scientists and non-scientists can agree on that much. Stockpiles of 
toilet paper will not help. Avoiding panic will help. The CDC guidelines are 
helpful and we should pay attention. The more we curtail our exposure, remember 
to wash our hands and not touch our faces after touching something else, the 
less Covid-19 will spread. 

Repeating false but inflammatory FaceBook memes or trying to make other 
non-related philosophical/political points is counter productive.  The virus 
doesn't care what your politics, social status, religion, or anything else is.  
Working in coordination will be more helpful than bickering about it.

Tailwinds!

Bruce

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Garth]

  
(  (   (   smiling   )   )   )  

We're all kinda just looking out for our friends after all, like Sid the 
Science Kid   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sa_cIOFfqrQ

And a Barnyard Boogieing with the Muppets  you just can't stand still 
! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZI8xgMiVyY

Wonderful Elmo   it's time for a bedtime lullaby with Andrea   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BDVvB7Xx1w



On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 7:07:03 PM UTC-4, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! 
wrote:
>
> You know, we just need all of us. That’s what I’m going with from now on.
>
> Just got word Nevada has no school until middle of April at least. We’re 
> grounded these days, I imagine we’ll all be ”seeing” each other a bit more 
> here. Like family!
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[j.schwartz]

Thanks Justin
totally agree 
This group needs to stay in it's lane or it's really not worth being a part 
of.





On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:16:07 PM UTC-4, Justin, Oakland wrote:
>
> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high 
> risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away 
> from this group as a contributing member. 
>
> It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
> impacts on people. 
>
> Grow up. 
>
> -Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[masmojo]

As chance would have it; I lost my job just as this was starting to blow 
up, but I can't breath easy even though the kids are out of school because 
my wife is a nurse. :-(

As an aside (and qualifying it with a disclaimer, because I am not a 
medical professional) I *THINK* this YouTube channel is VERY good!!  Watch 
it for a little while and you quickly figure out this guy knows his Sh*t!!!
 https://youtu.be/vE4_LsftNKM

I recommend going back to at least episode #30, then watch through to today.

Me thinks the Italians could put some of this information to good use!?

Regarding group rides, I used to try and go on a ride at my local shop 
(before it closed) and as much as I enjoyed it, what I discovered was that 
sometimes I had to bail out early & go home and when that happened I almost 
always enjoyed riding by myself just as much!

Indeed, I enjoy riding by myself probably too much! :-O  

So, Social Distancing is pretty much normal for me! ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Jay Lonner]

My wife and I are both hospital-based physicians in northwest Washington 
state so we are very much on the front lines of  this. I have also noticed 
plenty of anti-science in this thread, but have resisted (and will continue 
to resist) calling it out because a listserv dedicated to Rivendell 
bicycles and adjacent topics is the wrong place to discuss appropriate 
infection control measures for the COVID-19 pandemic. There are many 
excellent and easy to find online resources that are much better suited for 
this purpose, which I strongly encourage everyone to consult for an 
unbiased scientific perspective.

Jay Lonner
Bellingham, WA

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:04:38 PM UTC-7, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where 
> it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:57:29 PM UTC-6, Daniel M wrote:
>>
>> Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 
>>
>> It's insidious and it's dangerous.
>>
>> Daniel M
>> Berkeley, CA
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

The answer to the OP's question is riding in groups with decent distance yes, 
pacelines no 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Again, anti-science? Please, help me understand what this means and where 
it appears in this conversation. Please, be specific.

With abandon,
Patrick

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> Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 
>
> It's insidious and it's dangerous.
>
> Daniel M
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>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Daniel M]

Thank you for calling it out, Justin. 

It's insidious and it's dangerous.

Daniel M
Berkeley, CA

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Who here has voiced anything anti-science, Justin?

On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 6:16:07 PM UTC-6, Justin, Oakland wrote:
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> As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high 
> risk all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away 
> from this group as a contributing member. 
>
> It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
> impacts on people. 
>
> Grow up. 
>
> -Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Justin, Oakland]

As someone who has two loved ones on the front lines and another at high risk 
all of this anti-science dismissal confirms my choice to step away from this 
group as a contributing member. 

It’s fucking gross, dangerous and will potentially have seriously damaging 
impacts on people. 

Grow up.

-Justin

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

We do need all of us, in humble kindness. The world is experiencing 
something unprecedented, both in the rapidly spreading new coronavirus and 
the more rapidly spreading virus of fear. That we may the better apply 
ourselves to addressing the virus, let kindness and reason rule our hearts, 
along with the other virtues, that elevate us beyond the reach of fear and 
its spread. Kindness combats spite; humility overcomes pride; and so on do 
the heavenly virtues vanquish the deadly sins. May God startle you with joy!

With abandon,
Patrick

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

Party on, Garth! 藍

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Patrick Moore]

Garth -- I appreciate your good nature.

Patrick

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 4:59 PM Garth  wrote:

>
> ( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore.
>
>
>
> You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a
> couple of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels,
> hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".
>
> In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not .
>
> "If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has
> EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !
>
> Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)
>
> " Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )
>
> Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU
>
> Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok
>
> And a goodnite for all with Bears.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y
>
>
> I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> *He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and
>> darkness begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover
>> over the abyss of unideal vacancy ...*
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or
>>> any topic, including yours.
>>>
>>> What's done is done . censorship censored.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>>
 If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not
 saying anything might be a wise choice.

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>>> .
>>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Leah Peterson]

You know, we just need all of us. That’s what I’m going with from now on.

Just got word Nevada has no school until middle of April at least. We’re 
grounded these days, I imagine we’ll all be ”seeing” each other a bit more 
here. Like family!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2020, at 3:59 PM, Garth  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> ( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore. 
> 
> 
> 
> You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a couple 
> of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels, hears 
> and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".  
> 
> In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not . 
> 
> "If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has 
> EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !  
> 
> Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)
> 
> " Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )  
> 
> Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU
> 
> Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok
> 
> And a goodnite for all with Bears. 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y
> 
> 
> I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>> He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness 
>> begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the 
>> abyss of unideal vacancy ...
>> 
>> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>> 
>>> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth  wrote:
>>> 
>>>  
>>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any 
>>> topic, including yours. 
>>> 
>>> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
 If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
 anything might be a wise choice.
 
 
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>> 
>> ---
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Garth]

( ( ( (  Laughing  ) ) ) )With Patrick  Moore. 



You know . if anyone appreciates lullabies as I do . here's a 
couple of my favorites.  It's amazing the depth and breadth what one feels, 
hears and sees from what appears to be "mere child's play".  

In celebration of what LIFE IS . which ever is   never not . 

"If" you're wondering what this has to do with "reality" . such has 
EVERYTHING to do with reality ! !  

Smile and play . it is your nature after all ;-)

" Party On "    (  just for you Joe !  )  

Twinkle Twinkle  . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCjJyiqpAuU

Oh ... and Snowflake too . https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbbKjDjMDok

And a goodnite for all with Bears. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKbpLQp509Y


I appreciate you'nz"all  as they say in da'Burg. 








On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 2:47:52 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> *He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness 
> begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the 
> abyss of unideal vacancy ...*
>
> Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM
>
> On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 11:43 AM Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>  
>> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or 
>> any topic, including yours. 
>>
>> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>
>>> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
>>> anything might be a wise choice.
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>> .
>>
>
>
> -- 
>
> ---
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> Alburquerque, Nuevo Mexico, Etats Unis d'Amerique, Orbis Terrarum
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[George Schick]

Deborah - this supports what I heard on the local news channel last night. 
 Our governor, like many, has nixed all get-togethers, whether schools, 
churches, movies, or other social events of over 250 people for a period of 
2 weeks, i.e., until the end of the month.  However, a comment from a 
national health organization representative said that only a 2 week period 
will be of minimal use.  Hopefully, as this pandemic continues these people 
will issue further guidelines extending that period.


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:57:13 AM UTC-5, Deborah Coffin wrote:
>
> Keeping this in mind: 
>
> Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, 
> with 95% in a period of around 10 weeks. 
>
> From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like 
> this: You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single 
> lilypad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that 
> on day two, you have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on. 
> Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond 
> completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?” 
> The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily 
> pads are there. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Austin B.]

No over the shoulder loogies applies at all times, not just during 
pandemics!

And here's something that will eat up 8 minutes of your isolation if you've 
never seen it: 

The Backwards Bicycle Brain
https://youtu.be/MFzDaBzBlL0

Cheers,

Austin 
Sykesville, MD



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>
> :) and no over the shoulder loogies!  
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[lambbo]

:) and no over the shoulder loogies!  


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 3:32:16 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> And no snot rockets.
> On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline 
> ‍♀️‍♂️
>
>
> -- 
> Steve Palincsar
> Alexandria, Virginia 
> USA
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

And no snot rockets.

On 3/15/20 3:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote:

Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️


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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Joe Bernard]

Truth is Truth: Ride steel bikes with at least one lug, don't paceline ‍♀️‍♂️

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Patrick Moore]

I agree with this as long as I am able to yank Garth's chain.

On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 12:13 PM lambbo  wrote:

> While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related
> information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste
> of time if we're shutting people down and arguing about who should be able
> to say what when.  I appreciate Garth's odd posts.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Patrick Moore]

*He delighted to tread upon the brink of meaning, where light and darkness
begin to mingle; to approach the precipice of absurdity, and hover over the
abyss of unideal vacancy ...*

Patrick Moore, who did not either have to look that up, in ABQ, NM

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>
> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or
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>
> What's done is done . censorship censored.
>
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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>> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[lambbo]

While a great source of community and bike/Rivendell related 
information...it is easy to consider this entire endeavor a foolish waste 
of time if we're shutting people down and arguing about who should be able 
to say what when.  I appreciate Garth's odd posts. 

I'm personally quarantined right now, and can forsee how, as many of us are 
working from home, this forum could become a wonderful escape from the news 
and monotony of quarantine, a space for humor, to find information, and 
opinions you disagree with (Deacon, grin), and community...

...or, it could slip into a site for us to place our (justified) 
frustration with politics, our health, and the economy, in hurtful and 
thoughtless ways which will only further dampen our collective spirits. 

Let's choose to be kind and celebrate this space, where viruses can't 
interrupt our sociability! 




On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 1:52:23 PM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish 
> waste of time.
> On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote:
>
>
>  
> What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or 
> any topic, including yours. 
>
> What's done is done . censorship censored. 
>
>
> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
>> anything might be a wise choice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

It's not censorship to think your comments on this issue are a foolish 
waste of time.


On 3/15/20 1:43 PM, Garth wrote:


What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this 
or any topic, including yours.


What's done is done . censorship censored.


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 11:25:15 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not
saying anything might be a wise choice.


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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Garth]

 
What I expressed is as worthy of expression as anything else on this or any 
topic, including yours. 

What's done is done . censorship censored. 


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> anything might be a wise choice.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Deborah Coffin]

Keeping this in mind:

Half of the overall cases are expected within a period of a few weeks, with 95% 
in a period of around 10 weeks.

>From columnist Megan McArdle: There’s an old brain teaser that goes like this: 
>You have a pond of a certain size, and upon that pond, a single lilypad. This 
>particular species of lily pad reproduces once a day, so that on day two, you 
>have two lily pads. On day three, you have four, and so on.
Now the teaser. “If it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond 
completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?”
The answer is 47 days. Moreover, at day 40, you’ll barely know the lily pads 
are there.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

“I keep hearing "10-20 times more deadly than the flu" and then "80% of 
infected people are invisible because they are untested and asymptomatic." 
Those two statements seem to not make sense together except to say we have yet 
to understand what is happening.”

Not so hard for me to grasp. Even if 80% of infected people don’t get sick 
(which is not true), it seems totally possible that of the 20% who do get sick, 
more die from the disease. Not all diseases are the same, and this is NOT the 
flu. Ten times more deadly than the flu translates into potentially millions 
dead. 

My wife is reasonably healthy, but has chronic heart and lung issues that would 
make COVID  very difficult for her. For the sake of everyone like my wife, 
please let’s all take steps to slow the spread of the disease. 

Leaders, such as trusted clergy, can be especially helpful in setting a good 
example and spreading accurate information. 

Thanks, everyone!

–Eric N (who is maintaining social distancing on today’s coffee ride)


> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:25 AM, Steve Palincsar  wrote:
> 
> 
> If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
> anything might be a wise choice.
> 
>> On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:
>> 
>>  
>>You have no say in the matter. 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>>> 
>>> Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Leah Peterson]

Doug, you’re a *sweetheart* and thanks for your kind words. I am not on the 
front lines of this for now; I echo your sentiments for all the healthcare 
workers who ARE. I’ve followed the stories of some of the nurses fighting 
COID-19 in other countries and it’s demoralizing.

I hope you all are well and stay that way in the coming weeks!

Leah

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> On Mar 15, 2020, at 8:46 AM, DHans  wrote:
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> Leah,
> I want to thank you and other health care workers who put themselves in harms 
> way to treat others. Your sense of humanity and selflessness is awe-inspiring 
> and certainly much appreciated. 
> Doug
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

If you have nothing worthwhile to say on the subject, perhaps not saying 
anything might be a wise choice.


On 3/15/20 10:09 AM, Garth wrote:



   You have no say in the matter.


On Sunday, March 15, 2020 at 8:39:57 AM UTC-4, Steve Palincsar wrote:

Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Garth]

 
   You have no say in the matter. 


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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

Garth, this really isn't the time for this kind of prattle.

On 3/15/20 6:41 AM, Garth wrote:

Reminds of these few movie scene words with Uncle Jack and Tom 

"You want answers ?
.I want the Truth
You can't handle the Truth"

The Truth is The Truth is The Truth . Truth, The Whole Truth and 
nothing but Truth is Truth .
Unchallengingly  unchallengeable . Indivisibly Indivisible and 
Absolutely Absolute . One and All and All and One  .
Truth has no "room" for an "else/other/counter/contra" . Truth is 
all Full Totally True  Totally Truth.

Every Truth be True  negation negated.

Riddle me this Batman (playfully laughing) Who AM I ?
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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Steve Palincsar]

On 3/14/20 11:38 PM, Bicycle Belle Ding Ding! wrote:

Philip, as it’s been in our country for ages, we have some natural immunity to 
influenza.



Not to mention vaccines that provide acquired immunity.



  We have none to COVID-19. COVID-19 is a virus new to us,



and a vaccine is optimistically at least a year away.



with a much higher death rate than flu, and unknown long-term effects. We are 
trying “flatten the curve” so as not to cause a collapse with our healthcare 
system, and we’re already behind the 8 ball. See Italy.




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Re: [RBW] Re: Group Riding / New Covid-19 World

[Patrick Moore]

Patrick: Thanks for this. I am keeping an open mind -- and careful behavior
-- but you are not the only one to bring up such statistics.

5,388 worldwide for the corona virus, so far. At least I was so unaware of
this that I didn't know of these figures until I read your post just now.

Again, I am keeping an open mind, but I'm not staying indoors.

I expect Jack Daniels is a good prophylactic.

Patrick Moore, who just rode on the well-populated paved and dirt acequia
trails this afternoon.

On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 3:27 PM 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch <
rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> In 2017-18 there were 80,000 deaths from the flu in the US. 900,000 people
> went to the hospital because of the flu. Per:
> https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/last-years-flu-broke-records-for-deaths-and-illnesses-new-cdc-numbers-show/2018/09/26/97cb43fc-c0ed-11e8-90c9-23f963eea204_story.html
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> Make of that what you will.
>
> Still riding with abandon,
> Patrick
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