Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Update: I replaced the stock Kenda Kwick tires (good, solid commuter 
workhorses, but they're notorious in all wheel sizes for a dead ride) with 
Fatty Rumpkin Force Fields. What a revelation! Even though they're narrower 
than the Kwicks, they still deliver a plusher ride while inexplicably also 
feeling more nimble. And lighter! They definitely feel better with the motor, 
but I made sure to pedal unassisted, too, so I could compare to when I've 
ridden the Kendas the same way. 

If you own a Clem or any other Riv with Kenda Kwicks, I strongly recommend 
better tires for your fine bicycle. The difference is noticeable and wonderful. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Ash: Your riding conditions are pretty much why ebikes exist. It's a way to 
stay on the bike and get some exercise while still showing up for work safely, 
on time, and not a sweaty mess..it replaces a car. I do it for fun and to get 
up the monster hills around here, but commuting is really what these things are 
made for.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Thanks Joe!

You will get a flood of emails when I start this project :)

For you it is headwinds and hills.  For me it is 3 dozen  or so stop signs 
and traffic lights on the way to work (23 miles).  I'm thinking with a 
motor assist (a) my knees would feel better as I don't need to crank 0 to 
12mph 30 times each way (b) I can shave 10-15 mins in each direction (c) 
I'll be riding safer, as it won't feel like too much effort to make a full 
stop and then start at stop signs and other risky spots.  With full manual 
peddling, once I'm a bit tired, not only I feel lazy to make a full, but 
sometimes I jump red lights when there is no traffic at the intersection. 
 I'd rather make a full stop than invite dirty stares  or encourage other 
less responsible riders to start jumping lights


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>
> Btw, Ash (and anyone else), if you want to yak more about my electric 
> build, gimme a holler at joeremi 62 at g mail dot com. I could yammer all 
> night about this stuff here, but they'd run me outta Rivtown ;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Btw, Ash (and anyone else), if you want to yak more about my electric build, 
gimme a holler at joeremi 62 at g mail dot com. I could yammer all night about 
this stuff here, but they'd run me outta Rivtown ;-) 

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Ash, I feel ya about ebikes. My first mid-drive was a dedicated ebike from 
Haibike, which was fun, but once the thrill of assisted pedaling wore off I 
became acutely aware that I was riding a basic Chinese aluminum hybrid with a 
boat-anchor suspension fork. Bogus! So I sold that on to the next fellow who 
wasn't quite ready to cobble together his own build and did this. Rivs are 
great; eRivs..also great!

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Thanks, Ryan, the stealthiness is accomplished by putting two Mini Cube 
batteries from lunacycle.com in the TrunkSack. Most of these conversions have 
an huge battery attached to downtube water bottle bosses, which gives more 
range but adds weight and HEY I'M AN EBIKE! 

Ash, check that site for Bafang BBS02 to learn about mid-drive kits. Settle in 
and pop something cold, there's a TON of reading to do there :-)

Here's a few 'final build' shots from today's ride (which I'm still in the 
middle of). I added the basket, a ShopSack, and PDW grips which will eventually 
darken like the Select saddle. The jury is still out on the Bosco Bars: I feel 
WAY far away from the front wheel, and I'm getting some sail effect in 
crosswinds. I'll probably swap my Albas in to see how I like it. Whelp, back to 
the ride!

https://goo.gl/photos/HqvPx24LBJhmVpjv9

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Ryan Fleming]

barely notice the e-drive; it's quite unobtrusive 

On Sunday, August 20, 2017 at 10:00:44 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Clem L goes electric.
> "Judas!"
> (Grant will get that one)
>
> I did the deed today and it's fabulous. Honestly it's kind of ridiculous 
> how well this Riv model accepts and works with a mid-drive kit; it's smooth 
> and stable enough to handle the extra weight and speed, and it still turns 
> and stops really well (changing my mind about thinking I need discs). The 
> black kit even "hides" well with this color and the battery in the 
> TrunkSack. I know it's not everyone's cup o' joe, but boy did I appreciate 
> the assist in that killer headwind on the way back from Benicia to Vallejo 
> this evening. (Hi to the guy on the root beer Roadeo at Benicia State Park!)
>
> The last pic isn't lit well, but I wanted to show something I'd never 
> thought of until I owned a step-through..check out the water bottle access. 
> I've never been good at grabbing a bottle while pedaling a diamond frame 
> with upright bars (too far away), but this design puts it way up there in 
> front of you. Nice!
>
> I tend to buy and sell bikes without getting too attached to them, but I 
> think I'm going to keep this one. It's beautiful, does the things I need it 
> to do, and it just fits me. Which brings me to a thought about my (now sold 
> to a happy rider) Appaloosa that hadn't really sunk in until today: It was 
> also beautiful and I loved the ride, but there was always a nagging sense 
> that it was meant to be ridden more and harder than I was up to, like 
> buying a Honda Goldwing touring motorcycle and riding it to 7-Eleven. It 
> wasn't really ME, and Clem L is. Which is probably weird, but that's ok! 
> Thanks for humoring me and looking at my new bike. 
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/J5Y4fDycfG896hNP9
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Ash [who works to bike]]

Joe,  this's probably one of the best e-bikes out there!  I'm saying this 
because I've tried a bunch of them and they are all terrible as a bicycle. 
 I'm spoilt by the ride quality of my Joe, which the main reason I don't 
have an e-bike.  

Your add-on kit does not look all that clunky.  I'd have to explore this 
option.  Could you share some details about this unit?

 
On Sunday, 20 August 2017 20:00:44 UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Clem L goes electric.
> "Judas!"
> (Grant will get that one)
>
> I did the deed today and it's fabulous. Honestly it's kind of ridiculous 
> how well this Riv model accepts and works with a mid-drive kit; it's smooth 
> and stable enough to handle the extra weight and speed, and it still turns 
> and stops really well (changing my mind about thinking I need discs). The 
> black kit even "hides" well with this color and the battery in the 
> TrunkSack. I know it's not everyone's cup o' joe, but boy did I appreciate 
> the assist in that killer headwind on the way back from Benicia to Vallejo 
> this evening. (Hi to the guy on the root beer Roadeo at Benicia State Park!)
>
> The last pic isn't lit well, but I wanted to show something I'd never 
> thought of until I owned a step-through..check out the water bottle access. 
> I've never been good at grabbing a bottle while pedaling a diamond frame 
> with upright bars (too far away), but this design puts it way up there in 
> front of you. Nice!
>
> I tend to buy and sell bikes without getting too attached to them, but I 
> think I'm going to keep this one. It's beautiful, does the things I need it 
> to do, and it just fits me. Which brings me to a thought about my (now sold 
> to a happy rider) Appaloosa that hadn't really sunk in until today: It was 
> also beautiful and I loved the ride, but there was always a nagging sense 
> that it was meant to be ridden more and harder than I was up to, like 
> buying a Honda Goldwing touring motorcycle and riding it to 7-Eleven. It 
> wasn't really ME, and Clem L is. Which is probably weird, but that's ok! 
> Thanks for humoring me and looking at my new bike. 
>
> https://goo.gl/photos/J5Y4fDycfG896hNP9
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[WETH]

Joe,
Late to this thread, but allow me to echo others in heaping kudos upon your 
beautiful bike.  I wondered when you would go electric with it.
Enjoy!
Erl

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Joe Bernard]

Clem L goes electric.
"Judas!"
(Grant will get that one)

I did the deed today and it's fabulous. Honestly it's kind of ridiculous how 
well this Riv model accepts and works with a mid-drive kit; it's smooth and 
stable enough to handle the extra weight and speed, and it still turns and 
stops really well (changing my mind about thinking I need discs). The black kit 
even "hides" well with this color and the battery in the TrunkSack. I know it's 
not everyone's cup o' joe, but boy did I appreciate the assist in that killer 
headwind on the way back from Benicia to Vallejo this evening. (Hi to the guy 
on the root beer Roadeo at Benicia State Park!)

The last pic isn't lit well, but I wanted to show something I'd never thought 
of until I owned a step-through..check out the water bottle access. I've never 
been good at grabbing a bottle while pedaling a diamond frame with upright bars 
(too far away), but this design puts it way up there in front of you. Nice!

I tend to buy and sell bikes without getting too attached to them, but I think 
I'm going to keep this one. It's beautiful, does the things I need it to do, 
and it just fits me. Which brings me to a thought about my (now sold to a happy 
rider) Appaloosa that hadn't really sunk in until today: It was also beautiful 
and I loved the ride, but there was always a nagging sense that it was meant to 
be ridden more and harder than I was up to, like buying a Honda Goldwing 
touring motorcycle and riding it to 7-Eleven. It wasn't really ME, and Clem L 
is. Which is probably weird, but that's ok! Thanks for humoring me and looking 
at my new bike. 

https://goo.gl/photos/J5Y4fDycfG896hNP9

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Patrick Moore]

Very odd; I've never seen that before, either. To quiet what might
otherwise be loud shifts from badly adjusted derailleur?

On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 3:57 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> Here's a thing I've never seen before. I just pulled the Claris fd and
> discovered this plastic insert to push the chain. You wear out the plastic
> instead of the cage? Narrows it down for 9-speed, take it off for 8? Hmm..
>
> On Saturday, August 19, 2017 at 2:24:23 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
> > Update on weight (still no actual scale): Yeah, after moving this bike
> around a bunch today I'd say I was a little optimistic. It feels like 32-33
> with rack and fenders..probably around 30 lbs. without (but with a Brooks).
> If you really wanted to weight-weenie a Clem (silly!) you could use the
> plastic saddle Riv sells and replace the steel chainrings. You wouldn't,
> but you could :-)
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[R Shannon]

A John's Irish Strap from Riv works fine. And it has a multitude of uses. As an 
example, see Grant's latest Blahg.

Best,
Richard

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> On Aug 18, 2017, at 7:19 PM, 'Ann L' via RBW Owners Bunch 
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> 
> 
> I weigh 115 lbs.  My 46 cm Appaloosa with bags weighs 32 lbs and I have to 
> carry it up three flights of stairs.  I will usually grab the middle of the 
> top tube with my right hand and carry it low, balancing some of the weight 
> against my hip.  I use my left hand to guide/support the grip on the 
> handlebar.  I'm very intrigued by the Velo wheel stabilizer.  Has anyone used 
> one?  Not having to keep the handlebars from hitting me, the stairs, or the 
> railings would give me additional carrying options.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Eric Floden]

A velcro pantleg reflector between fromt wheel and front downtube?

On Aug 18, 2017 8:54 PM, "Joe Bernard"  wrote:

> I have a Velo Deflopinator (not currently in use, it's around here
> somewhere). You can set it up with enough tension to keep the wheel from
> slamming over into your toptube, but its ability to keep a wheel straight
> while portaging is limited. It helps, but having it tight enough to have
> the front end hardly move would be too tight for riding.
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Ryan Fleming]

I will have to check that out. Also the nose of the saddle idea

I felt a little embarassed about mentioning this, but I thought the group 
would have some good ideas, and you did! So thanks for that!

On Friday, August 18, 2017 at 7:56:33 AM UTC-5, ericf3 wrote:
>
> Just a thought...would something like a VO Wheel stabilizer help free up a 
> hand?  
> Never used one but am thinking of steering dampers from my motorbike 
> days...
>
> EricF
> Rainy Golden Lake Ont
>
>
>
> On Aug 18, 2017 8:47 AM, "'Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch" <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com > wrote:
>
>
>
> I live in a third-floor walkup apartment. When going down the stairs, I 
> carry my Clem L with left hand on the headset area to prevent bar swing, 
> right hand gripping near chainstay. 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Eric Floden]

Just a thought...would something like a VO Wheel stabilizer help free up a
hand?
Never used one but am thinking of steering dampers from my motorbike days...

EricF
Rainy Golden Lake Ont



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I live in a third-floor walkup apartment. When going down the stairs, I
carry my Clem L with left hand on the headset area to prevent bar swing,
right hand gripping near chainstay.

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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[R Shannon]

Joe, nicely done! It's a beauty. Thanks for the drivetrain description.

Best,
Richard

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> On Aug 16, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:
> 
> Update with new pics, and more ride impressions with the stock drivetrain 
> before I (gasp!) electrify it. 
> 
> I cut an inch off the bars, swapped in a B17 Select from another bike, and 
> added the SOMA Porteur front rack I got from Ely at RuthWorkssf.com (thanks, 
> Ely!). 
> 
> As I said before, everything about this bike sells the vibe of an old Raleigh 
> 3-speed, just lighter/faster/better braking better handling. It can get up 
> and go when you jam the pedals, but there's a "what the heck are you doing?" 
> feel to it, like cruising down Hwy 1 through Big Sur in a convertible Mustang 
> and remembering there's no point in rushing. 
> 
> The 2-chainrings-plus-guard has an odd effect on my shifting technique. 
> Normally with a triple I run up and down the rings as I'm shifting in back, 
> so that the chainline stays relatively straight. For some reason my brain 
> understands this setup as 'big ring for most stuff, granny ring for steep 
> hills'. I ride it as a 1x9 that happens to have a bailout in dire 
> circumstances. Weird!
> 
> Another weird thing is the cranks are 173mm and I don't notice it. I always 
> ride 170 and really dislike 175, so I thought sure I would notice a 3mm 
> difference but nope. This bike is set up a certain way, and my body/brain 
> seems to adapt to it without a second thought of the differences from other 
> bikes I've ridden. Interesting!
> 
> The one debit I can think of is the stock pseudo-Nitto seatpost. The spec is 
> for 26.8 but I think this post is 26.7..I haven't pulled it to confirm but 
> the same post on my Appaloosa was. It takes some muscle to get it clamped in 
> there, plus there's a good bit of scratching on the sides from up/down. I'm 
> treating it as a seat-height-dialing-in adjuster, and will replace with a 
> 26.8 S83 when Riv has them back in stock. The seattube will get a little 
> deburring session before I install it. 
> 
> So it's fabulous. I'm almost a little shy about putting the mid-drive on it, 
> but Clem L is so smooth and stable. It's a perfect platform for the distances 
> and speeds I do with ebikes, and the step-through design gives me a liftatube 
> to heft it up stairs. It's gonna be fun!
> 
> https://goo.gl/photos/AocvMvSFvs4DqjV58
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: New Clem L

[Patrick Moore]

Joe: When the end of your drop bar aligns perfectly with your top tube, you
do 2 things:

1. Install Velox bar end plugs, if you are not using bar end shifters.

2. If you are using bar end shifters, wind a big wad of left over handlbar
tape on the top tube at the point of meeting. Bam! No damage!

Patrick "did that on my Fargo" Moore

On Monday, August 14, 2017 at 1:16:33 PM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> I'd like to know how mixte/step-through ever developed a reputation as
"lady bikes" in this country. There's no logical reason for it, and the
rest of the world doesn't seem to care where the toptube goes as long as it
works. The big triangle of H-frames is necessary for super-stiff race
frames, but most of us don't need and don't use that feature. As I've said,
after many years of riding folders and 'bents with low-stepover frames, I
find high toptubes to be useful mostly for crashing my handlebars into.
Over it!

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Patrick Moore
Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
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*Interested in trading resume, LinkedIn, and other writing work for
professional (professional) help with marketing and growing my resumes,
etc. business. Respondents should have considerable experience in helping
small, online businesses grow. Please contact me at
patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com .
Thanks.*

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