Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[halfstep neil]

advice from "Ride with GPS" for the edge touring. "change RECALCULATION to 
PROMPT or OFF.(important)"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

There are some (randonneurs) who find the lack of re-routing if you get off 
course to be a feature, not a bug. 

If you’re riding a brevet, it’s against the rules to ride anything but the 
official route. For randonneuring, you want a computer that has only the 
official route and seeks to have you return to it.

Wayfinding on the fly with the Elemnt is, IMHO, better than the Garmin. You 
basically have access to the same search functions as the Maps app on your 
smart phone. Want to find a local coffee shop? Find it on your phone, map it 
with the Wahoo app, and upload it to the computer. Way easier than the finicky 
data entry on the Garmin (at least, the 800 series, which is what I still have 
on my travel bike).

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> On Mar 3, 2019, at 6:46 PM, Matt  wrote:
> 
> The ELEMNT doesn’t do that—it won’t recaculate anything, it’ll just beep and 
> flash at you that you’re off course. It’s more like a hugely featured 
> cyclocomputer of old, which is I think why so many people like it. It’s solid 
> & reliable, the display is as easy to read as you want to make it, and it 
> does really well when you feed it a route (and it’s great for capturing a 
> route if you’re riding with others). If you want to wayfind on the fly, 
> almost anything else is better. It does have a map you can navigate but 
> that’s its weakest feature. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Totally agree with the mapping issues, although I ride exclusively on roads and 
well-defined off-street bike paths.

However, requiring a smartphone for mapping could be viewed as a feature, not a 
bug. Yes, I have to stop and haul out my phone to map a route to a new 
destination, but in my experience it’s much easier than using the menus in a 
Garmin.

Downside is that you can’t edit the route—ask to find such-and-such a location, 
and it will find what it thinks is the best route. Input that route and divert 
from it, and the Elemnt won’t adjust to keep you heading toward the 
destination. 

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:58 AM, Kevin Mulcahy  wrote:
> 
> I have an Element. I think it's a great bike GPS computer, but navigation off 
> piste is not it's strong point, at all. If you're planning your route ahead 
> of time (with ridewithGPS), it'll be perfect. But if you're trying to wayfind 
> in a remote location, you're going to be SOL. There's no topo info, you can't 
> pan/scan in the device, you can't add new routes without a companion phone 
> with internet access. In short, improvisation on mtb trails or off pavement 
> is hard. The Element displays some, but not all mtb/hiking trails. 
> 
> When I'm on riding in a remote area, I use the Element in conjunction with a 
> companion map app on my phone where I can download maps ahead of time, like 
> google maps, MotionX GPS, or Avenza. These apps will place your location on 
> your choice of style of map. Having both devices is really important if you 
> need to improvise. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Kevin Mulcahy]

I have an Element. I think it's a *great *bike GPS computer, but navigation 
off piste is not it's strong point, at all. If you're planning your route 
ahead of time (with ridewithGPS), it'll be perfect. But if you're trying to 
wayfind in a remote location, you're going to be SOL. There's no topo info, 
you can't pan/scan in the device, you can't add new routes without a 
companion phone with internet access. In short, improvisation on mtb trails 
or off pavement is hard. The Element displays some, but not all mtb/hiking 
trails. 

When I'm on riding in a remote area, I use the Element in conjunction with 
a companion map app on my phone where I can download maps ahead of time, 
like google maps, MotionX GPS, or Avenza. These apps will place your 
location on your choice of style of map. Having both devices is really 
important if you need to improvise. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

P.S. Just checked, and my Elemnt already has maps of North American and Europe 
installed. If I wanted to go to South America, I would need to remove one of 
those and install a new map. But for 100% of the cycling I plan to do in the 
next few years, I’m covered.

--Eric Norris
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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:44 AM, 'Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>  wrote:
> 
> Maps are already in the Wahoo Elemnt. You can download *routes* via WiFi or 
> using your phone, but the maps are already there. 
> 
> The maps also cover huge areas—all of North America is one map, for instance. 
> More info here:
> 
> https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000217964-How-do-I-Update-Maps-on-the-ELEMNT-BOLT-
>  
> 
> 
> --Eric Norris
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> 
>> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Drw  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks for all of this. It sounds like the Wahoo also needs maps downloaded 
>> ahead of time, or via a synced smartphone.  Is that accurate?  I think i'll 
>> probably do the gaia free trial and see if i like it. My phone is constantly 
>> telling me i have no storage left, so im a little worried about downloads. 
>> As far as paper maps go, i understand their necessity, but im really looking 
>> for something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride down a steep hill is gonna 
>> end in a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out of, or if its gonna 
>> lead me to something cool/another trail/etc. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Maps are already in the Wahoo Elemnt. You can download *routes* via WiFi or 
using your phone, but the maps are already there. 

The maps also cover huge areas—all of North America is one map, for instance. 
More info here:

https://support.wahoofitness.com/hc/en-us/articles/115000217964-How-do-I-Update-Maps-on-the-ELEMNT-BOLT-

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> On Feb 20, 2019, at 10:35 AM, Drw  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for all of this. It sounds like the Wahoo also needs maps downloaded 
> ahead of time, or via a synced smartphone.  Is that accurate?  I think i'll 
> probably do the gaia free trial and see if i like it. My phone is constantly 
> telling me i have no storage left, so im a little worried about downloads. As 
> far as paper maps go, i understand their necessity, but im really looking for 
> something that can tell me if a 5 mile ride down a steep hill is gonna end in 
> a dead end that ill have to hike the bike out of, or if its gonna lead me to 
> something cool/another trail/etc. 
> 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

[Steven Sweedler]

I am a regular  user of maps.me and it is very reliable offline. Very
worthwhile getting in and out of  urban areas where paper maps are of
little use. Very helpful in finding our lodging most evenings. Some of the
really dense hill towns can confuse it.Overall I am satisfied. Steve

On Tue, Feb 19, 2019 at 8:22 PM Tom Wyland  wrote:

> I've used Maps.me which leverages Open Street Maps.  It uses your
> smartphone GPS chip and can operate without an internet connection (as long
> as you pre-load the maps).  I use it when I travel internationally as well.
> BicycleTouringPro details how to use Maps.me for bike touring somewhere on
> his site.
>
> Tom
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Re: [RBW] Re: Recommendations for satellite mapping thing

['Eric Norris' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Joey:

Sorry for jumping into this thread (this may have already been addressed), but 
my Wahoo Elemnt absolutely does show offstreet bike trails. I ride almost every 
day on the American River bike path, which shows quite clearly. A friend and I 
rode across several East Bay cities on Sunday, and again we were using Elemnts 
to navigate on bike trails.

Maybe there’s a setting you’ve turned off?

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> On Feb 18, 2019, at 7:20 PM, Joey Robinson  wrote:
> 
> I really like my Wahoo Elemnt Bolt. It meets all your requirements except 
> showing trails (I think it uses OpenStreetMaps so no bike paths). 
> Additionally, it's very low-profile. I especially like how customizable the 
> different screens are so you can have as little information as you'd like. 
> RidewithGPS integration is great (also does Strava but I can't speak on that) 
> and many people seem to prefer its interface to Garmin although I haven't 
> used a Garmin.
> 
>> On Monday, February 18, 2019 at 9:38:42 PM UTC-5, Drw wrote:
>> I know nothing about garmin things or other things that do mapping for 
>> hiking/biking, though I’m moderately tech savvy in other areas of my life. 
>> I’m finding myself very overwhelmed by online information 
>> I’m looking for something that can: 
>> 
>> -show a map on a screen but not need internet 
>> -locate current actual location 
>> -show trails as well as paved roads 
>> -show elevation 
>> -be no larger than a smartphone 
>> -be charged via usb 
>> 
>> It would also be cool if it could sync to something in a way that could 
>> 
>> -provide directions in either step by step or linear format. 
>> -link to an online history of rides and routes 
>> 
>> Any direction of where to look and what to look at would be appreciated.
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