Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

Johnny Alien said: "I am confused..." but then explained why he doesn't 
want to buy a Roaduno.

You don't sound confused to me.  You sound like you've considered the bike 
and don't want to buy one.  I'm not going to buy one either, but my reasons 
are different.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 9:12:07 AM UTC-8 Johnny Alien wrote:

> I am confused and its probably just that I am not the market for a bike 
> like this. I feel like once you decide you want a few gears its easier to 
> do a 1x7 for limited gears than 3x1. And big jumps on the front will be 
> fidgity anyway. Understanding that the idea is to stick in one gear most of 
> the time but I still don't see the value. Either you want a 1x or you want 
> a few options and if you want a few options 7 is theoretically better than 
> 3.
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:37:14 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> While im at it: 
>>
>> Seat stays:
>> QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
>> "spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
>> saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
>> the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
>> the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
>> strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
>> also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
>> welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.
>>
>> Paint:
>> QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
>> least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
>> Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
>> highlights.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
>>> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
>>> following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
>>> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
>>> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
>>> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
>>> drivetrains.  
>>>
>>> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that 
>>> take truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new 
>>> Suntour group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm 
>>> OLN.
>>>
>>> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer 
>>> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between 
>>> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 
>>>
>>> Size range:
>>> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used 
>>> in the earlier years.  The 
>>> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that 
>>> there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple One was a geometic 
>>> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really 
>>> small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it 
>>> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to 
>>> have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing 
>>> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe:  sloped top tubes 
>>> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow 
>>> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more 
>>> riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and 
>>> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to 
>>> sell.
>>>
>>> Lugs:  
>>> All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
>>> previously only used on customs.  
>>>
>>> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
>>> First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the 
>>> tight spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of 
>>> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  
>>> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect 
>>> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire 
>>> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is 
>>> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, 
>>> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.
>>>
>>> Brakes:
>>> QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
>>> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.
>>>
>>> Chainstays;
>>> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
>>> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.
>>>
>>> Dropouts:
>>> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
>>> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[iamkeith]

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 10:12:07 AM UTC-7 Johnny Alien wrote:

I am confused and its probably just that I am not the market for a bike 
like this. I feel like once you decide you want a few gears its easier to 
do a 1x7 for limited gears than 3x1. And big jumps on the front will be 
fidgity anyway. Understanding that the idea is to stick in one gear most of 
the time but I still don't see the value. Either you want a 1x or you want 
a few options and if you want a few options 7 is theoretically better than 
3.



Having not tried it, I can only speculate.  What is interesting about it to 
me is:


1.  You wouldn't technically even need a front derailleur.  You could just 
move the chain by hand or stick, and not have to fuss with loosening  
re-centering, and re-tightening a wheel.  I don't know if you need 
narrow/wide teeth patterns to keep the chain from bouncing off the 
chainring though.

2.  You could have more subtle jumps in gearing.  (2 teeth is a smaller 
percentage of 44 teeth than it is 16 teeth.)

 


On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:37:14 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

While im at it: 

Seat stays:
QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
"spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.

Paint:
QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
highlights.


On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
drivetrains.  

Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that take 
truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new Suntour 
group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm OLN.

Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer (but 
Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between the 
Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 

Size range:
Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used in 
the earlier years.  The classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes 
way of ensuring that there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple 
One was a geometic clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really 
huge or really small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium 
sizes, because it was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where 
people tend to have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer 
"expanded" sizing method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I 
believe:  sloped top tubes allow more standover AND taller stack heights, 
and longer top tubes allow for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial 
in the fit for more riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer 
lengths) is cheaper and avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche 
sizes that take forever to sell.

Lugs:  
All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
previously only used on customs.  

Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the tight 
spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of the 
dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  Later 
QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect it 
had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire technology 
and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is getting the 
unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, because it's 
being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.

Brakes:
QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.

Chainstays;
Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.

Dropouts:
QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[iamkeith]

...why that minutia about dropout construction and connection methods 
matters is this:

Even with the longer chainstays, it may actually be more difficult to spead 
the rear end to 130 or 135mm.  I haven't tried, but it seems logical when 
you look at the dropouts.  With the QB and its brazed-in plate steel 
dropouts, people spread them to 135 fairly regularly.

Here are some 120mm cassette hubs I mentioned earlier.  Bill has a thread 
detailing his own experimenting with one:

https://www.hubjub.co.uk/sunxcd-120-mm-old-rear-cassette-hub-5204-p.asp


https://janheine.wordpress.com/2013/09/21/grand-bois-5-speed-cassette-hubs/?iframe=true_preview=true/




On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 9:37:14 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> While im at it: 
>
> Seat stays:
> QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
> "spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
> saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
> the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
> the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
> strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
> also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
> welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.
>
> Paint:
> QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
> least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
> Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
> highlights.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
>> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
>> following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
>> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
>> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
>> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
>> drivetrains.  
>>
>> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that 
>> take truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new 
>> Suntour group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm 
>> OLN.
>>
>> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer 
>> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between 
>> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 
>>
>> Size range:
>> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used 
>> in the earlier years.  The 
>> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that 
>> there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple One was a geometic 
>> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really 
>> small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it 
>> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to 
>> have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing 
>> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe:  sloped top tubes 
>> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow 
>> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more 
>> riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and 
>> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to 
>> sell.
>>
>> Lugs:  
>> All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
>> previously only used on customs.  
>>
>> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
>> First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the 
>> tight spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of 
>> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  
>> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect 
>> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire 
>> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is 
>> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, 
>> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.
>>
>> Brakes:
>> QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
>> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.
>>
>> Chainstays;
>> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
>> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.
>>
>> Dropouts:
>> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
>> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
>> the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes 
>> by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would 
>> change the effecive chainstay length.  It could accommodate an 8 tooth 
>> 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Johnny Alien]

I am confused and its probably just that I am not the market for a bike 
like this. I feel like once you decide you want a few gears its easier to 
do a 1x7 for limited gears than 3x1. And big jumps on the front will be 
fidgity anyway. Understanding that the idea is to stick in one gear most of 
the time but I still don't see the value. Either you want a 1x or you want 
a few options and if you want a few options 7 is theoretically better than 
3.

On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 11:37:14 AM UTC-5 iamkeith wrote:

> While im at it: 
>
> Seat stays:
> QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
> "spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
> saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
> the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
> the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
> strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
> also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
> welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.
>
> Paint:
> QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
> least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
> Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
> highlights.
>
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
>> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
>> following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
>> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
>> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
>> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
>> drivetrains.  
>>
>> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that 
>> take truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new 
>> Suntour group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm 
>> OLN.
>>
>> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer 
>> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between 
>> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 
>>
>> Size range:
>> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used 
>> in the earlier years.  The 
>> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that 
>> there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple One was a geometic 
>> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really 
>> small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it 
>> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to 
>> have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing 
>> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe:  sloped top tubes 
>> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow 
>> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more 
>> riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and 
>> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to 
>> sell.
>>
>> Lugs:  
>> All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
>> previously only used on customs.  
>>
>> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
>> First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the 
>> tight spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of 
>> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  
>> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect 
>> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire 
>> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is 
>> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, 
>> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.
>>
>> Brakes:
>> QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
>> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.
>>
>> Chainstays;
>> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
>> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.
>>
>> Dropouts:
>> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
>> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
>> the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes 
>> by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would 
>> change the effecive chainstay length.  It could accommodate an 8 tooth 
>> total range.  Frank had similar sloped slots, but used a fancy investment 
>> cast dropout.  Roaduno has an investment-cast dropout too, but the slot is 
>> horizontal and, of course, has the hanger.
>>
>> 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[iamkeith]

While im at it: 

Seat stays:
QB and SO attached to the seat tube cluster with traditional brazed 
"spoons."  Unlike their contemporary production models (rambouillet, 
saluki, atlantis), they weren't double-tapered (they only got skinnier at 
the bottom end) so that fewer lengths were needed.  Frank and Roaduno use 
the newer ball-and-socket connection, that doesn't rely on the shear 
strength of brazing for structral integrity.  At the bottom, QB and SO were 
also brazed (slotted) at the dropout plate.  Frank and Roaduno are tig 
welded to a breezer-esque, cast, hooded flange.

Paint:
QB and SO were simple, single-color.  Decals were on TOP of the paint (at 
least with QB.) Intent was to keep the bike inexpensive and utiliarian.  
Frank and Roaduno are fancy  with creme head tube and window fill 
highlights.


On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 8:55:35 AM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
> Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
> following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
> that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
> whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
> multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
> drivetrains.  
>
> Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that take 
> truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new Suntour 
> group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm OLN.
>
> Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer 
> (but Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between 
> the Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 
>
> Size range:
> Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used 
> in the earlier years.  The 
> classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes way of ensuring that 
> there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple One was a geometic 
> clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really huge or really 
> small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium sizes, because it 
> was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where people tend to 
> have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer "expanded" sizing 
> method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I believe:  sloped top tubes 
> allow more standover AND taller stack heights, and longer top tubes allow 
> for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial in the fit for more 
> riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer lengths) is cheaper and 
> avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche sizes that take forever to 
> sell.
>
> Lugs:  
> All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
> previously only used on customs.  
>
> Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
> First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the 
> tight spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of 
> the dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  
> Later QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect 
> it had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire 
> technology and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is 
> getting the unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, 
> because it's being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.
>
> Brakes:
> QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
> Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.
>
> Chainstays;
> Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
> tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.
>
> Dropouts:
> QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
> slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
> the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes 
> by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would 
> change the effecive chainstay length.  It could accommodate an 8 tooth 
> total range.  Frank had similar sloped slots, but used a fancy investment 
> cast dropout.  Roaduno has an investment-cast dropout too, but the slot is 
> horizontal and, of course, has the hanger.
>
> Braze-ons:
> Haven't studied this closely, but it should be easy enough to figure out.  
> The first QBs were pretty spare.  Later ones at least got mounts for a 
> campee rack on the fork.  I >think< Roaduno will have a full range for more 
> utility with racks.  But they talk about it being lightweight and NOT 
> intended for touring loads, too.
>
> Kick Sta
> The only difference between the QB and SO (other than country of origin 
> for tubing and manufacture) was that SO had a kickstand mounting plate.  
> Roaduno will likely have one too.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 7:24:12 AM UTC-7 Arthur Mayfield wrote:
>

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[iamkeith]

I believe that the Roaduno is going to be 120mm spaced, just like the 
Quickbeam/Simple One and Frank Jones Sr.  (I'm going from memory from 
following the updates too, though).  The idea behind the hanger is more 
that it could accommodate a chain tensioner than a derailleur.  For 
whatever reason, Rivendell is currently enamored with a 
multiple-chainring/single-cog approach to achieving multi-speed 
drivetrains.  

Nonetheless, there are still some 120mm cassette hubs out there, that take 
truncated gear clusters.  I seem to recall Grand Bois and the new Suntour 
group.  There are also several internal geared hubs that are 120mm OLN.

Ignoring any ride quality differences, which we of course can't answer (but 
Will did address in the recent email), I think the differences between the 
Roaduno and other Riv single-speeds goes like this: 

Size range:
Quickbeam came in the relatively small 2cm size increments that Riv used in 
the earlier years.  The classic-but-surprisingly-rare-for-production-bikes 
way of ensuring that there was a frame to fit everyone properly.  Simple 
One was a geometic clone of the Quickbeam, but wasn't offered in the really 
huge or really small sizes.  Frank was ONLY produced in small to medium 
sizes, because it was intended specifically for the Japanese market, where 
people tend to have a shorter stature.  Roaduno follows Rivs newer 
"expanded" sizing method, which started with the Sam Hillbourne, I 
believe:  sloped top tubes allow more standover AND taller stack heights, 
and longer top tubes allow for reach-back bars and/or shorter stems to dial 
in the fit for more riders.  Fewer frame sizes (and fewer fork steerer 
lengths) is cheaper and avoids having to buy mimimum quantities of niche 
sizes that take forever to sell.

Lugs:  
All three are fully-lugged.  Frank had the extra-fancy ones, which were 
previously only used on customs.  

Fork Crown / Tire Clearance:  
First QBs had the (narrowest)  RC02 crown, but that wasn't really the tight 
spot anyway.  The chainstays were.  With wheels toward the back of the 
dropout, you could fit maybe 44mm with fenders. (Officially less)  Later 
QBs and SOs had a wider crown.  I don't know about Frank, but suspect it 
had slightly more tire clearance simply because available tire technology 
and sizes had progressed so much further by then.  Roaduno is getting the 
unique Appaloosa crown which COULD take a 55mm or so but, because it's 
being used with caliper brakes, is limited to 50mm or so.

Brakes:
QB and SO had cantis.  Frank and Roaduno use caliper (or center-pull).  
Roaduno (maybe Frank too?) need long-reach.

Chainstays;
Roaduno has longer stays, though that appears to have been significantly 
tempered over the evolution of the prototypes.

Dropouts:
QB and SO had water-jet cut plate steel dropouts with the slot cut at a 
slope, so that the brake pads would hit the rim no matter where in the slot 
the wheel was clamped.  It was intended to see frequent manual gear changes 
by moving the chain to adjacent cog and/or chainring, either of which would 
change the effecive chainstay length.  It could accommodate an 8 tooth 
total range.  Frank had similar sloped slots, but used a fancy investment 
cast dropout.  Roaduno has an investment-cast dropout too, but the slot is 
horizontal and, of course, has the hanger.

Braze-ons:
Haven't studied this closely, but it should be easy enough to figure out.  
The first QBs were pretty spare.  Later ones at least got mounts for a 
campee rack on the fork.  I >think< Roaduno will have a full range for more 
utility with racks.  But they talk about it being lightweight and NOT 
intended for touring loads, too.

Kick Sta
The only difference between the QB and SO (other than country of origin for 
tubing and manufacture) was that SO had a kickstand mounting plate.  
Roaduno will likely have one too.




On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 7:24:12 AM UTC-7 Arthur Mayfield wrote:

> If my FJ had a derailleur hanger, I’d be constantly tempted to turn it 
> into a 1X or 2X 5 or 6. 120mm rear spacing and the difficulties of mounting 
> a derailleur under track forks keeps me in line. As I recall, the Roaduno 
> has wider rear end to go with the hanger-equipped dropouts, so there are a 
> zillion hubs that will fit. I ride it as a single, rather than fixed, and 
> am content. The one change I’d make to a re-imagined FJ would be to add a 
> kickstand mount. I’ve never been comfortable with clamp-on kickstands, 
> always afraid they’d slip or I’d over tighten and damage the chain stays.
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 9:24:09 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well damn it. Looked this up & now I really want a silver Roaduno. Look 
>> like the same dropouts but with the hanger?
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>>
>> Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring 
>> back the Frank Jones. 700c, 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Bill Lindsay]

I think the 2x1 or 3x1 concept around the Roaduno is brilliant. 
 Flatlanders can go 1x1.  Rolling hills or windy conditions might make a 
2x1 appropriate.  3x1 for truly hilly places.  It's genius, IMO

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
On Sunday, February 4, 2024 at 7:23:16 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Interesting stuff. I am pretty sure the Roaduno is 120 spaced. Screen shot 
> included. My only ever single speed was a fixie - My ‘70’s PX10 conversion. 
> I enjoyed riding that bike immensely & probably should have never sold it. 
> I do think riding fixed aggravated at least one of my knees. I should have 
> tried it as a single. The PX 10 had pretty long stays. It is so dead flat 
> here in northwest Ohio that I think I can get along well with a single - 
> maybe not on the windy days though. The southwest winds can howl here and 
> be as difficult as climbing. Perhaps a flip flop hub?
> [image: image0.png]
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 4, 2024, at 9:24 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>
> If my FJ had a derailleur hanger, I’d be constantly tempted to turn it 
> into a 1X or 2X 5 or 6. 120mm rear spacing and the difficulties of mounting 
> a derailleur under track forks keeps me in line. As I recall, the Roaduno 
> has wider rear end to go with the hanger-equipped dropouts, so there are a 
> zillion hubs that will fit. I ride it as a single, rather than fixed, and 
> am content. The one change I’d make to a re-imagined FJ would be to add a 
> kickstand mount. I’ve never been comfortable with clamp-on kickstands, 
> always afraid they’d slip or I’d over tighten and damage the chain stays.
>
>
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 9:24:09 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Well damn it. Looked this up & now I really want a silver Roaduno. Look 
>> like the same dropouts but with the hanger?
>> [image: image0.jpeg]
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>>
>> Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring 
>> back the Frank Jones. 700c, sidepull brakes, 120mm rear hub, fully lugged, 
>> fits up to 42mm tires (I have 32s with PDW fenders). I have three Rivs (FJ, 
>> Platy, caliper Sam), but my FJ is what I think of when I want to ride 
>> simply, or simply want to ride. Without a doubt, an *elegant* bicycle.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:15:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.
>>>
>>> The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>>>
 I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The 
 simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for 
 me, I think.

 I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 
 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. 
 Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar 
 and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.

 What is the competition, and what are they offering?
 Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 

 BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
 rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.

 What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?

 Edwin

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Arthur Mayfield]

If my FJ had a derailleur hanger, I’d be constantly tempted to turn it into 
a 1X or 2X 5 or 6. 120mm rear spacing and the difficulties of mounting a 
derailleur under track forks keeps me in line. As I recall, the Roaduno has 
wider rear end to go with the hanger-equipped dropouts, so there are a 
zillion hubs that will fit. I ride it as a single, rather than fixed, and 
am content. The one change I’d make to a re-imagined FJ would be to add a 
kickstand mount. I’ve never been comfortable with clamp-on kickstands, 
always afraid they’d slip or I’d over tighten and damage the chain stays.

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 9:24:09 AM UTC-5 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Well damn it. Looked this up & now I really want a silver Roaduno. Look 
> like the same dropouts but with the hanger?
> [image: image0.jpeg]
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 3, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:
>
> Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring 
> back the Frank Jones. 700c, sidepull brakes, 120mm rear hub, fully lugged, 
> fits up to 42mm tires (I have 32s with PDW fenders). I have three Rivs (FJ, 
> Platy, caliper Sam), but my FJ is what I think of when I want to ride 
> simply, or simply want to ride. Without a doubt, an *elegant* bicycle.
>
>
> On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:15:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.
>>
>> The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>>
>>> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
>>> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>>>
>>> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 
>>> 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. 
>>> Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar 
>>> and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>>>
>>> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
>>> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 
>>>
>>> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
>>> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>>>
>>> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>>>
>>> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Richard Rose]

Arthur, very interesting re Frank Jones. Although I had heard of that bike I am not familiar with it. How is it different from the Roaduno? Yesterdays update reinforces my suspicion that there may be nothing else quite like the new bike.Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 3, 2024, at 9:04 AM, Arthur Mayfield  wrote:Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring back the Frank Jones. 700c, sidepull brakes, 120mm rear hub, fully lugged, fits up to 42mm tires (I have 32s with PDW fenders). I have three Rivs (FJ, Platy, caliper Sam), but my FJ is what I think of when I want to ride simply, or simply want to ride. Without a doubt, an elegant bicycle.On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:15:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.EricOn Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.What is the competition, and what are they offering?Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?Edwin



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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Arthur Mayfield]

Not what else is out there, but what should be—Rivendell should bring back 
the Frank Jones. 700c, sidepull brakes, 120mm rear hub, fully lugged, fits 
up to 42mm tires (I have 32s with PDW fenders). I have three Rivs (FJ, 
Platy, caliper Sam), but my FJ is what I think of when I want to ride 
simply, or simply want to ride. Without a doubt, an *elegant* bicycle.

On Saturday, February 3, 2024 at 5:15:38 AM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.
>
> The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.
>
> Eric
>
> On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:
>
>> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, 
>> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>>
>> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 
>> 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. 
>> Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar 
>> and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>>
>> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
>> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. 
>>
>> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm 
>> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>>
>> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>>
>> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

[Eric Daume]

The Surly Steamroller can take a 38mm tire, but no fender.

The sadly out of production Cross Check could do a 38mm with a fender.

Eric

On Fri, Feb 2, 2024 at 5:16 PM Edwin W  wrote:

> I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity,
> the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.
>
> I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622
> wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are
> the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever
> type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.
>
> What is the competition, and what are they offering?
> Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts.
>
> BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm
> rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.
>
> What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?
>
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno and the state of single speed bikes

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More particularly, what else is out there with long stays & wheelbase, is fully lugged & has beautiful paint / graphics?Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 2, 2024, at 5:16 PM, Edwin W  wrote:I like single speed bikes, many like single speed bikes. The simplicity, the possibility of fixed gear, it is the epitome of biking for me, I think.I like the idea of the roaduno. So far it looks like it will have 700c/622 wheel size, long reach side pull brakes. Rear facing drop outs. Those are the main factors to think about, because stem length, handlebar and lever type, fenders or not, dynamo or not, are flexible on most bikes.What is the competition, and what are they offering?Crust Lightning bolt single speed. 650b wheels with anti posts. BMC Monstercross. 700c wheels and cantilever posts. But that has 135mm rear spacing, so not exactly built for single speed.What else is out there that can take a 38mm (or so) tire with a fender?Edwin



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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Josh (BertoBerg)]

I have the Racers on my Homer. Love the modulation and power. They are 
paired with TRP RRL levers. As someone mentioned above the biggest tire you 
can fit in there without deflating is 38mm. Oh well. 

Josh
Seattle, WA

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[iamkeith]

If you watch that video from the youtube link at the end, he explains why 
the Racer is stiffer than more-common long-reach brakes.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 10:04:14 PM UTC-7 iamkeith wrote:

> That's interesting.  The website definitely says that the racer was 
> originally designed to work with dedicated posts, but Paul has previously 
> acknowledged that it was created per a request from Grant, with the rirst 
> useage being the Saluki.  That bike never came with direct- mount 
> center-pull braze-ons, unless maybe in prototype form.  This is from a 2016 
> newsletter:
>
>
>
>
> The Racer Brake
> Making the Classics Even Classier
>
>
>
> We’re a bike component company for people with tricks up their sleeves.
>
> You’ve got plans for those old frames lying around...you just don’t know 
> what they are yet.
>
> Back in March we had an upcycle idea for your old mountain bike 
> ,
>  
> and now we’ve another suggestion for converting that old steel classic or 
> 27-inch wheel bike to a 700c: *It’s called the Racer Brake 
> .
>  *
>
> Or what’s known as a long-reach brake with a reach of 57 to 70mm.
>
> Back in the day, Grant Peterson of Rivendell fame called Paul requesting a 
> centerpull brake like the Mafac Racer. Which sounded crazy But when Paul 
> pulled down some old frames and got to thinking, he could see it’d be great 
> for conversion.
>
> What's so special about a Mafac replica? The arms are much stiffer than 
> your typical dual pivot brake, which means more power is transferred for 
> stopping.
>
> Below is our video how-to on the conversion, and it’s housed on our BRAND 
> NEW VIDEO PAGE 
> ,
>  
> where all of our videos can be found.
>
> Note that the Racer is available in recessed and non-recessed mounting in 
> black, silver, and high polish. (Sorry folks, no green).
>
> [image: Using the PAUL Racer Brake] 
> 
> Product page, plus video 
> 
> .
>
> Watch on YouTube 
> 
>
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 8:07:00 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:
>
>> "The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
>> version, on a Tony Pereira. "
>>
>> Yes, the *braze-on version* is a good brake - I had them on my Rambler 
>> and was mostly satisfied with their stopping power. I was not happy that 
>> the absolute widest tire that would clear the thin-line pads (with washers 
>> reversed to get more clearance) was a 38. I ran 42's but had to deflate the 
>> tire if I wanted to remove the wheel.
>>  There's a reason these brakes were originally designed for special post 
>> mounts, which the Roaduno will NOT have. You would have to use the single 
>> fork/brake-bridge mount version of the Paul centerpulls, resulting in more 
>> flex in the brake arms and lower performance (for the same high price) than 
>> the post mount Racers. 
>> All of which could have been avoided with cantilever/V-brake bosses on 
>> the Roaduno, which would have allowed the option of several high-performing 
>> and much more affordable brakes. 
>> I live in Portland and as others have said, long-reach center-pulls in 
>> wet weather braking generally suck.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:
>>
>>> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
>>> version, on a Tony Pereira.  
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/
>>>
>>> If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.
>>>
>>> Max Beach
>>> Santa Rosa CA 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>>
 I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did 
 decide to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had 
 officially discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 
 for a pair, but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
> brakes. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some 
>>> intriguing build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for 
>>> me. 
>>> Based on my 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[iamkeith]

That's interesting.  The website definitely says that the racer was 
originally designed to work with dedicated posts, but Paul has previously 
acknowledged that it was created per a request from Grant, with the rirst 
useage being the Saluki.  That bike never came with direct- mount 
center-pull braze-ons, unless maybe in prototype form.  This is from a 2016 
newsletter:




The Racer Brake
Making the Classics Even Classier



We’re a bike component company for people with tricks up their sleeves.

You’ve got plans for those old frames lying around...you just don’t know 
what they are yet.

Back in March we had an upcycle idea for your old mountain bike 
,
 
and now we’ve another suggestion for converting that old steel classic or 
27-inch wheel bike to a 700c: *It’s called the Racer Brake 
.
 *

Or what’s known as a long-reach brake with a reach of 57 to 70mm.

Back in the day, Grant Peterson of Rivendell fame called Paul requesting a 
centerpull brake like the Mafac Racer. Which sounded crazy But when Paul 
pulled down some old frames and got to thinking, he could see it’d be great 
for conversion.

What's so special about a Mafac replica? The arms are much stiffer than 
your typical dual pivot brake, which means more power is transferred for 
stopping.

Below is our video how-to on the conversion, and it’s housed on our BRAND 
NEW VIDEO PAGE 
,
 
where all of our videos can be found.

Note that the Racer is available in recessed and non-recessed mounting in 
black, silver, and high polish. (Sorry folks, no green).

[image: Using the PAUL Racer Brake] 

Product page, plus video 

.

Watch on YouTube 



On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 8:07:00 PM UTC-7 velomann wrote:

> "The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
> version, on a Tony Pereira. "
>
> Yes, the *braze-on version* is a good brake - I had them on my Rambler 
> and was mostly satisfied with their stopping power. I was not happy that 
> the absolute widest tire that would clear the thin-line pads (with washers 
> reversed to get more clearance) was a 38. I ran 42's but had to deflate the 
> tire if I wanted to remove the wheel.
>  There's a reason these brakes were originally designed for special post 
> mounts, which the Roaduno will NOT have. You would have to use the single 
> fork/brake-bridge mount version of the Paul centerpulls, resulting in more 
> flex in the brake arms and lower performance (for the same high price) than 
> the post mount Racers. 
> All of which could have been avoided with cantilever/V-brake bosses on the 
> Roaduno, which would have allowed the option of several high-performing and 
> much more affordable brakes. 
> I live in Portland and as others have said, long-reach center-pulls in wet 
> weather braking generally suck.
>
> Mike M
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:
>
>> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
>> version, on a Tony Pereira.  
>>
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/
>>
>> If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.
>>
>> Max Beach
>> Santa Rosa CA 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>>
>>> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did 
>>> decide to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had 
>>> officially discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 
>>> for a pair, but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
 The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
 brakes. 

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:

> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
 I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
>> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based 
>> on 
>> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, 
>> and 
>> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>>
>> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
>> instead. 
>>
>> Eric
>> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
>> Plain City OH
>>
>>
>> On 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[velomann]

"The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
version, on a Tony Pereira. "

Yes, the *braze-on version* is a good brake - I had them on my Rambler and 
was mostly satisfied with their stopping power. I was not happy that the 
absolute widest tire that would clear the thin-line pads (with washers 
reversed to get more clearance) was a 38. I ran 42's but had to deflate the 
tire if I wanted to remove the wheel.
 There's a reason these brakes were originally designed for special post 
mounts, which the Roaduno will NOT have. You would have to use the single 
fork/brake-bridge mount version of the Paul centerpulls, resulting in more 
flex in the brake arms and lower performance (for the same high price) than 
the post mount Racers. 
All of which could have been avoided with cantilever/V-brake bosses on the 
Roaduno, which would have allowed the option of several high-performing and 
much more affordable brakes. 
I live in Portland and as others have said, long-reach center-pulls in wet 
weather braking generally suck.

Mike M

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 11:16:26 AM UTC-8 reynoldslugs wrote:

> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
> version, on a Tony Pereira.  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/
>
> If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
>> to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had officially 
>> discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 for a pair, 
>> but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
>>> brakes. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 What about vo grand cru brakes?

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:

>>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, 
> and 
> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>
> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
> instead. 
>
> Eric
> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
> Plain City OH
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>
>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
>> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged 
>> single 
>> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
>> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>>
>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was 
>> being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my 
>> personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - 
>> the 
>> phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now 
>> there's 
>> the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>>
>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
>> speed Lightning Bolt.
>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my 
>> position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally 
>> hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of 
>> a 
>> single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this 
>> up 
>> and push back against my inner purist ;-)
>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube 
>>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, 
>>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me 
>>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of 
 your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a 
 pair 
 of long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to 
 sell.  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical 
 forgings 
 and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid 
 brake 
 blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Ryan]

Ok I see what you mean.
.Paul's brakes go 57 - 72mm for long reach...sorry about that

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 1:16:26 PM UTC-6 reynoldslugs wrote:

> The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
> version, on a Tony Pereira.  
>
>
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/
>
> If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.
>
> Max Beach
> Santa Rosa CA 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:
>
>> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
>> to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had officially 
>> discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 for a pair, 
>> but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
>>> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
>>> brakes. 
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>>>
 What about vo grand cru brakes?

 On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:

>>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, 
> and 
> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>
> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
> instead. 
>
> Eric
> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
> Plain City OH
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>
>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
>> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged 
>> single 
>> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
>> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>>
>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was 
>> being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my 
>> personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - 
>> the 
>> phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now 
>> there's 
>> the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>>
>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
>> speed Lightning Bolt.
>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my 
>> position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally 
>> hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of 
>> a 
>> single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this 
>> up 
>> and push back against my inner purist ;-)
>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube 
>>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, 
>>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me 
>>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of 
 your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a 
 pair 
 of long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to 
 sell.  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical 
 forgings 
 and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid 
 brake 
 blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have 
 some 
 corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  
 The 
 other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came 
 with 
 nice metal pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen 
 and at 
 some point he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black 
 on 
 one brake, grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red 
 on 
 one brake and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s 
 and 
 $55 shipped for the 556s.

 Photos:

 556

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/

 365

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Sunday, January 7, 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[reynoldslugs]

The Paul Long Reach racers stop very, very well.  I have the braze-on 
version, on a Tony Pereira.  

https://www.flickr.com/photos/41563482@N06/13677929833/in/album-72157643546486474/

If they work on a Roaduno, I'd vote for them.

Max Beach
Santa Rosa CA 

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 7:37:28 AM UTC-8 iamkeith wrote:

> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
> to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had officially 
> discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 for a pair, 
> but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
>> brakes. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
 build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
 my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, 
 and 
 unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?

 I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
 instead. 

 Eric
 Not a long reach fan, even in flat
 Plain City OH


 On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:

> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged 
> single 
> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>
> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was 
> being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my 
> personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the 
> phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's 
> the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>
> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
> speed Lightning Bolt.
> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my 
> position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally 
> hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a 
> single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this 
> up 
> and push back against my inner purist ;-)
> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube 
>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, 
>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me 
>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of 
>>> your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a 
>>> pair 
>>> of long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to 
>>> sell.  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical 
>>> forgings 
>>> and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake 
>>> blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have 
>>> some 
>>> corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  
>>> The 
>>> other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with 
>>> nice metal pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen 
>>> and at 
>>> some point he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black 
>>> on 
>>> one brake, grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red 
>>> on 
>>> one brake and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s 
>>> and 
>>> $55 shipped for the 556s.
>>>
>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> 556
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> 365
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the 
 new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some 
 reference to it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of 
 all 
 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Thomas Lawn]

47-57 is still mid-reach, regardless of what the description says.

On Jan 9 2024, at 11:05 am, Ryan  wrote:
> https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783
>
> Black may not be your cup of tea mind you. Silver is out of stock.
>
> Or are these not long enough reach? Maybe this issue came up before
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:
>
> > I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
> > to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake. (They had officially 
> > discontinued it just a couple of years ago). It's almost $400 for a pair, 
> > but at least it comes in purple. ;-)
> >
> > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
> > > The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
> > > brakes.
> > >
> > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
> > > > What about vo grand cru brakes?
> > > >
> > > > On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
> > > > > I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some 
> > > > > intriguing build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame 
> > > > > for me. Based on my previous experiences with them, they are barely 
> > > > > adequate in the dry, and unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t 
> > > > > rain in Walnut Creek?
> > > > >
> > > > > I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
> > > > > instead.
> > > > >
> > > > > Eric
> > > > > Not a long reach fan, even in flat
> > > > > Plain City OH
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
> > > > > > When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was 
> > > > > > pretty stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell 
> > > > > > lugged single speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take 
> > > > > > wide-ish 700c tires courtesy of cantilever mounts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was 
> > > > > > being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to 
> > > > > > my personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me 
> > > > > > out - the phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - 
> > > > > > and now there's the whole thing with the single left-side downtube 
> > > > > > boss. And I love DT shifters, but I don't want one on my 
> > > > > > singlespeed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
> > > > > > speed Lightning Bolt.
> > > > > > But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my 
> > > > > > position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was 
> > > > > > originally hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for 
> > > > > > me. The idea of a single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe 
> > > > > > a cool way to set this up and push back against my inner purist ;-)
> > > > > > Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Mike M
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top 
> > > > > > > tube model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model 
> > > > > > > (Hillborne, Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the 
> > > > > > > photos which makes me think a long top-tube, upright bars only 
> > > > > > > build - which I'd prefer!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay 
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build 
> > > > > > > > of your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll 
> > > > > > > > need is a pair of long reach caliper brakes. I've got two sets 
> > > > > > > > that I would like to sell. One is the very modest Tektro 365. 
> > > > > > > > It's got the identical forgings and geometry of the "nicer" 
> > > > > > > > models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks and a 
> > > > > > > > primitive adjusting barrel. The ones I'm selling have some 
> > > > > > > > corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling 
> > > > > > > > brakes. The other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel 
> > > > > > > > adjuster and came with nice metal pad holders. These were on 
> > > > > > > > friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point he replaced one 
> > > > > > > > set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, grey 
> > > > > > > > on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one 
> > > > > > > > brake and black on the other. I'm asking $35 shipped for the 
> > > > > > > > 365s and $55 shipped for the 556s.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Photos:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 556
> > > > > > > > https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Ryan]

https://velo-orange.com/products/grand-cru-long-reach-brakes?variant=51591467783

Black may not be your cup of tea mind you. Silver is out of stock.

Or are these not long enough reach? Maybe this issue came up before
On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 9:37:28 AM UTC-6 iamkeith wrote:

> I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
> to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had officially 
> discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 for a pair, 
> but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
>> brakes. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>>
>>> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>>
>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
 build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
 my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, 
 and 
 unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?

 I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
 instead. 

 Eric
 Not a long reach fan, even in flat
 Plain City OH


 On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:

> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged 
> single 
> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>
> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was 
> being designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my 
> personal interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the 
> phrase ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's 
> the whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>
> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
> speed Lightning Bolt.
> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my 
> position some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally 
> hoping for. But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a 
> single rear and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this 
> up 
> and push back against my inner purist ;-)
> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube 
>> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, 
>> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me 
>> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of 
>>> your own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a 
>>> pair 
>>> of long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to 
>>> sell.  One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical 
>>> forgings 
>>> and geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake 
>>> blocks and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have 
>>> some 
>>> corrosion visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  
>>> The 
>>> other is the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with 
>>> nice metal pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen 
>>> and at 
>>> some point he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black 
>>> on 
>>> one brake, grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red 
>>> on 
>>> one brake and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s 
>>> and 
>>> $55 shipped for the 556s.
>>>
>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> 556
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> 365
>>>
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the 
 new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some 
 reference to it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of 
 all 
 the details.
>>>
>>> -- 
>

Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[iamkeith]

I assume everybody is aware but, just in case, Paul Components did decide 
to resume production of the long-reach Racer brake.  (They had officially 
discontinued it just a couple of years ago).   It's almost $400 for a pair, 
but at least it comes in purple.  ;-)

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 6:46:17 AM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach 
> brakes. 
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:
>
>> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>>
>> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>>
> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
>>> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
>>> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and 
>>> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>>>
>>> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
>>> instead. 
>>>
>>> Eric
>>> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
>>> Plain City OH
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>>>
 When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
 stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single 
 speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
 courtesy of cantilever mounts.

 The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being 
 designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal 
 interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase 
 ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the 
 whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
 shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.

 I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single 
 speed Lightning Bolt.
 But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position 
 some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for. 
 But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear 
 and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push 
 back against my inner purist ;-)
 Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.

 Mike M



 On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:

>
> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube 
> model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, 
> Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me 
> think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your 
>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair 
>> of 
>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell. 
>>  
>> One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and 
>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake 
>> blocks 
>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some 
>> corrosion 
>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice 
>> metal 
>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some 
>> point 
>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one 
>> brake, 
>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
>> shipped for the 556s.
>>
>> Photos:
>>
>> 556
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>
>> 365
>>
>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the 
>>> new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some 
>>> reference to it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of 
>>> all 
>>> the details.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

The Grand Crus are mid reach brakes, the Roaduno will take long reach
brakes.

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024, Ryan  wrote:

> What about vo grand cru brakes?
>
> On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
>> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
>> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and
>> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>>
>> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch
>> instead.
>>
>> Eric
>> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
>> Plain City OH
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>>
>>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty
>>> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single
>>> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires
>>> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>>>
>>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being
>>> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal
>>> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase
>>> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the
>>> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT
>>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>>>
>>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single
>>> speed Lightning Bolt.
>>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position
>>> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for.
>>> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear
>>> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push
>>> back against my inner purist ;-)
>>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>>>
>>> Mike M
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>>>

 Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube
 model (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne,
 Homer)? The front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me
 think a long top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!



 On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your
> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of
> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.
> One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and
> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks
> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some 
> corrosion
> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is
> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal
> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some 
> point
> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake,
> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake
> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55
> shipped for the 556s.
>
> Photos:
>
> 556
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/
> album-72157634724093620/
>
> 365
> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/
> album-72157634724093620/
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the
>> new bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some
>> reference to it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of 
>> all
>> the details.
>
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Ryan]

What about vo grand cru brakes?

On Tuesday, January 9, 2024 at 4:11:26 AM UTC-6 Eric Daume wrote:

> I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing 
> build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on 
> my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and 
> unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?
>
> I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch 
> instead. 
>
> Eric
> Not a long reach fan, even in flat
> Plain City OH
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:
>
>> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty 
>> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single 
>> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires 
>> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>>
>> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being 
>> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal 
>> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase 
>> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the 
>> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT 
>> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>>
>> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed 
>> Lightning Bolt.
>> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position 
>> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for. 
>> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear 
>> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push 
>> back against my inner purist ;-)
>> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>>
>> Mike M
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model 
>>> (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The 
>>> front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long 
>>> top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your 
 own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of 
 long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.  
 One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and 
 geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks 
 and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some 
 corrosion 
 visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is 
 the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal 
 pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some 
 point 
 he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake, 
 grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake 
 and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55 
 shipped for the 556s.

 Photos:

 556

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/album-72157634724093620/

 365

 https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/album-72157634724093620/

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA
 On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:

> Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new 
> bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference 
> to 
> it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno

[Eric Daume]

I can live with the hanger and shifter boss, they offer some intriguing
build ideas. But the long reach brakes killed this frame for me. Based on
my previous experiences with them, they are barely adequate in the dry, and
unacceptable in the wet. Maybe it doesn’t rain in Walnut Creek?

I’m looking at (another) BMC Monstercross to scratch this build itch
instead.

Eric
Not a long reach fan, even in flat
Plain City OH

On Monday, January 8, 2024, velomann  wrote:

> When the initial info about the Roaduno was coming out, I was pretty
> stoked about it. I was anticipating a true, clean, Rivendell lugged single
> speed with 120 rear spacing and the ability to take wide-ish 700c tires
> courtesy of cantilever mounts.
>
> The addition of the derailleur hanger was the first sign this was being
> designed for a different audience, and would be (in regard to my personal
> interest) an odd duck. losing the canti mounts bums me out - the phrase
> ""long-reach sidepull" is a real buzzkill for me - and now there's the
> whole thing with the single left-side downtube boss. And I love DT
> shifters, but I don't want one on my singlespeed.
>
> I guess the bike I really was wanting is closer to the Crust single speed
> Lightning Bolt.
> But since learning the latest details, I'm maybe moderating my position
> some. The Roaduno is most decidedly not what I was originally hoping for.
> But it might still be a really fun bike for me. The idea of a single rear
> and triple front is goofy, but maybe a cool way to set this up and push
> back against my inner purist ;-)
> Currently on the Roaduno fence, I guess.
>
> Mike M
>
>
>
> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 3:55:29 PM UTC-8 CMR wrote:
>
>>
>> Anyone test ride and can tell whether they will be a long top tube model
>> (e.g., Atlantis, Clem), or a shorter top tube model (Hillborne, Homer)? The
>> front-center looks super long in the photos which makes me think a long
>> top-tube, upright bars only build - which I'd prefer!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, January 8, 2024 at 12:40:15 PM UTC-8 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> For those of you planning, plotting, conspiring to do a build of your
>>> own, one thing that is not crystal clear is that you'll need is a pair of
>>> long reach caliper brakes.  I've got two sets that I would like to sell.
>>> One is the very modest Tektro 365.  It's got the identical forgings and
>>> geometry of the "nicer" models but has a modest finish, solid brake blocks
>>> and a primitive adjusting barrel.  The ones I'm selling have some corrosion
>>> visible as well, so they are budget, ugly-duckling brakes.  The other is
>>> the nicer 556, which has a nicer barrel adjuster and came with nice metal
>>> pad holders.  These were on friend-Doug's A. Homer Hilsen and at some point
>>> he replaced one set of brake pads, so the holders are black on one brake,
>>> grey on the other, and the brake inserts themselves are red on one brake
>>> and black on the other.  I'm asking $35 shipped for the 365s and $55
>>> shipped for the 556s.
>>>
>>> Photos:
>>>
>>> 556
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53435669677/in/
>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> 365
>>> https://flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/53437016535/in/
>>> album-72157634724093620/
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Sunday, January 7, 2024 at 8:32:33 AM UTC-8 rmro...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Speaking of Roaduno, I read in one of the earlier updates that the new
 bike is very similar to a Homer geometrically. I also saw some reference to
 it being offered as a complete. I cannot wait to learn of all the details.
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno substitute for a while...

[lconley]

+1 for the quick release roller straddle hangers. 

Laing

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Bill Lindsay]

Eric Daume asked: "what are you finally doing with the rear brake when you 
change gears?"

The question implies that the questioner thinks there is something that 
needs to be done.  

Nothing needs to be done!  My two gears are 38x16 and 35x19.  Those two 
gears are supported by the same chain length and the same rear wheel 
position.  I can change gears and I don't have to think about my rear 
brake.  It's a great system.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Sunday, October 2, 2022 at 2:03:46 PM UTC-7 Eric Daume wrote:

> So what are you finally doing with the rear brake when you change gears?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Sunday, October 2, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:
>
>> I made one significant change to my Road Single speed.  I decided that my 
>> beloved White Industries VBC-based double chainset is better suited on a 
>> wider rear OLD.  The front chainline is wider than optimal, the chainring 
>> to chainstay clearance is signficant, and the resulting Q-factor is good, 
>> but not as narrow as it could be.  Finally, this crankset lends itself 
>> really well to quick chainring reconfiguration, but this bike is going to 
>> be a singlespeed forever.  So, I pulled the White Industries crankset and 
>> replaced it with a vintage Ritchey/Sugino 110/74 crankset.  The old secret 
>> to get super narrow Q-Factor with this crankset is a 102mm BB with Campy 
>> Tapers.  That pulls the Q-factor down into the sub 135mm range.  Now the 
>> chainline is dialed, and now I can use my Riv Silver 38/35 rings.  
>>
>> Pics prove it:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/52398284513/in/album-72177720302216629/
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/52398075534/in/album-72177720302216629/
>>
>> The inconsequential change is that I switched the tires out to old Riv 
>> Fatty Rumpkins.  The "supple" crowd will say they are dogs, but I expect to 
>> survive...
>>
>> Enjoy
>> Bill Lindsay 
>> El Cerrito, CA
>>
>> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:58:16 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> My Single Speed Crust Lightning Bolt build is essentially complete now.  
>>> The same Flickr album has all the pictures from my Saturday activities:
>>>
>>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720302216629
>>>
>>> On Saturday I built the wheels:
>>>   -Crust 650B Rims
>>>   -Sapim Double Butted Spokes (32, 3x) brass nipples
>>>   -Surly Ultra New fixed/free rear hub
>>>   -Kasai Dynamo front hub
>>>   -Rene Herse Juniper Ridge Tires (584x48 knobby)
>>>   -Schwalbe tubes
>>>
>>> Then when I had a rolling chassis, I took some final measurements to 
>>> figure out where to cut the steerer.  The last couple shots in the album 
>>> show that rolling chassis and the drive train detail.  I got clever with 
>>> the dropout adjusters.  The frame comes with two 35mm long M4x0.7 
>>> adjusters, which take a 2mm allen in the end.  One would use blue loctite 
>>> to help it hold its position.  My gear change operation on my two-speed 
>>> drivetrain involves loosening the drive side axlenut moving the chain from 
>>> big to small and then small to big, and then tighten the drive side axle 
>>> nut.  The non-drive side axle nut stays where it is.  It takes about 30 
>>> seconds to "shift".  These adjusters, if I use them at all, would prevent 
>>> the drive side of the rear hub from noodging forward during this shift 
>>> operation.  So, I need to back that one off during the shift.  I didn't 
>>> want to go fishing for a tiny 2mm allen during that move, so I replaced the 
>>> drive side adjuster with a nice serrated thumbscrew.  The left side has the 
>>> job to stay put, so I left the original bolt and added a serrated thumb nut 
>>> to act as a lock nut.  I think it's a pretty pro set up.  
>>>
>>> After I cut the fork I installed a set of vintage Shimano Deore XT 
>>> cantilever brakes.  The original brake pads are still in there and good as 
>>> new.  They are quite chunky (chonky) and take up most of the rim sidewall.  
>>> I may swap them for some smooth post kool stop holders.  One the brakes 
>>> were done, I just installed a front rack, dynamo lamp, my homemade 
>>> decaleur, and wrapped the bars.  My spare King Kage inventory only had one 
>>> Iris and one Titanium, so the cages don't match.  I'm not sure which one 
>>> I'll replace.  
>>>
>>> The second coat of shellac just went on.  After the sun rises I'll take 
>>> a few more shots and then we can start riding the thing.  
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:26:31 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 This is the Flickr Album where I will post all my build photos.  There 
 are a few unboxing shots in there already.  

 Single Speed Rando | Flickr 
 

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

 On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:

> As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno substitute for a while...

[Eric Daume]

So what are you finally doing with the rear brake when you change gears?

Eric

On Sunday, October 2, 2022, Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> I made one significant change to my Road Single speed.  I decided that my
> beloved White Industries VBC-based double chainset is better suited on a
> wider rear OLD.  The front chainline is wider than optimal, the chainring
> to chainstay clearance is signficant, and the resulting Q-factor is good,
> but not as narrow as it could be.  Finally, this crankset lends itself
> really well to quick chainring reconfiguration, but this bike is going to
> be a singlespeed forever.  So, I pulled the White Industries crankset and
> replaced it with a vintage Ritchey/Sugino 110/74 crankset.  The old secret
> to get super narrow Q-Factor with this crankset is a 102mm BB with Campy
> Tapers.  That pulls the Q-factor down into the sub 135mm range.  Now the
> chainline is dialed, and now I can use my Riv Silver 38/35 rings.
>
> Pics prove it:
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/52398284513/in/
> album-72177720302216629/
> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/52398075534/in/
> album-72177720302216629/
>
> The inconsequential change is that I switched the tires out to old Riv
> Fatty Rumpkins.  The "supple" crowd will say they are dogs, but I expect to
> survive...
>
> Enjoy
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2022 at 6:58:16 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
>> My Single Speed Crust Lightning Bolt build is essentially complete now.
>> The same Flickr album has all the pictures from my Saturday activities:
>>
>> https://www.flickr.com/photos/45758191@N04/albums/72177720302216629
>>
>> On Saturday I built the wheels:
>>   -Crust 650B Rims
>>   -Sapim Double Butted Spokes (32, 3x) brass nipples
>>   -Surly Ultra New fixed/free rear hub
>>   -Kasai Dynamo front hub
>>   -Rene Herse Juniper Ridge Tires (584x48 knobby)
>>   -Schwalbe tubes
>>
>> Then when I had a rolling chassis, I took some final measurements to
>> figure out where to cut the steerer.  The last couple shots in the album
>> show that rolling chassis and the drive train detail.  I got clever with
>> the dropout adjusters.  The frame comes with two 35mm long M4x0.7
>> adjusters, which take a 2mm allen in the end.  One would use blue loctite
>> to help it hold its position.  My gear change operation on my two-speed
>> drivetrain involves loosening the drive side axlenut moving the chain from
>> big to small and then small to big, and then tighten the drive side axle
>> nut.  The non-drive side axle nut stays where it is.  It takes about 30
>> seconds to "shift".  These adjusters, if I use them at all, would prevent
>> the drive side of the rear hub from noodging forward during this shift
>> operation.  So, I need to back that one off during the shift.  I didn't
>> want to go fishing for a tiny 2mm allen during that move, so I replaced the
>> drive side adjuster with a nice serrated thumbscrew.  The left side has the
>> job to stay put, so I left the original bolt and added a serrated thumb nut
>> to act as a lock nut.  I think it's a pretty pro set up.
>>
>> After I cut the fork I installed a set of vintage Shimano Deore XT
>> cantilever brakes.  The original brake pads are still in there and good as
>> new.  They are quite chunky (chonky) and take up most of the rim sidewall.
>> I may swap them for some smooth post kool stop holders.  One the brakes
>> were done, I just installed a front rack, dynamo lamp, my homemade
>> decaleur, and wrapped the bars.  My spare King Kage inventory only had one
>> Iris and one Titanium, so the cages don't match.  I'm not sure which one
>> I'll replace.
>>
>> The second coat of shellac just went on.  After the sun rises I'll take a
>> few more shots and then we can start riding the thing.
>>
>> Bill Lindsay
>> El Cerrito, CA
>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 7:26:31 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> This is the Flickr Album where I will post all my build photos.  There
>>> are a few unboxing shots in there already.
>>>
>>> Single Speed Rando | Flickr
>>> 
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
>>> On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 6:21:23 AM UTC-7 Patch T wrote:
>>>
 As always, I very much looking forward to this Bill Lindsay build.


 On Thursday, September 15, 2022 at 1:14:16 PM UTC-4 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> I had been searching for quite a while for a single speed that enabled
> some derailer-less gear flexibility.  On one hand I searched for a 58cm
> Quickbeam or SimpleONE.  On the other hand I was/am waiting on the
> RoadUNO.  I was/am a huge fan of Rivendells rear dropouts with the angle
> that allows a significant gear change while maintaining brake adjustment.
>
> In an absolutely perfect world, my Size Large singlespeed would also
> have been 650B (for fat tires and no TCO).  While I'm sitting here in
> fantasy-land, I also 

Re: [RBW] Roaduno 2022 concepts

[Doug H.]

I have bullhorn bars on my Wabi Classic single speed but it is built for 
that or drops with a short top tube. I could see using the Tosco bars with 
a long stem or maybe Wavie bars.
Doug
Athens, GA

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:08:23 PM UTC-5 Johnny Alien wrote:

> Agreed. I am the same. I use a shorter stem for Albastache vs drops. So on 
> a bike made for sweptbacks an Albastache would need a very short reach stem 
> for me
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:06:14 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:
>
>> If the RoadUno is designed for swept back bars, the Albastache would have 
>> too much reach for me. I find the ‘stache needs a bit shorter stem than 
>> even a drop bar.
>>
>> Eric
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>>
>>> If I wanted a standard drop type of experience I would go with 
>>> Albastache. If I wanted the full sweptback experience the Losco and Choco 
>>> bars are my favorite road sweptback bar.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-5 tommc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 either bullmoose bars, or run some North Road bars upside down...

 On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:06:38 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:

> There was an Instagram post showing that Riv has prototype samples of 
> all sizes of RoadUno, inviting us to come test ride them.  I just emailed 
> Will to find out if they really have a 57 ready to test ride for me.  Has 
> anybody ridden one at RBWHQ?
>
> I haven't seen numbers yet, but since they say "designed for swept 
> bars" I'm going to take them at their word that I won't be putting drops 
> on 
> a RoadUno.  I think my urbanscorcher version of a RoadUno might have Riv 
> Bullmoose bars.  What would you run?  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
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Re: [RBW] Roaduno 2022 concepts

[Johnny Alien]

Agreed. I am the same. I use a shorter stem for Albastache vs drops. So on 
a bike made for sweptbacks an Albastache would need a very short reach stem 
for me

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 2:06:14 PM UTC-5 Eric Daume wrote:

> If the RoadUno is designed for swept back bars, the Albastache would have 
> too much reach for me. I find the ‘stache needs a bit shorter stem than 
> even a drop bar.
>
> Eric
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:
>
>> If I wanted a standard drop type of experience I would go with 
>> Albastache. If I wanted the full sweptback experience the Losco and Choco 
>> bars are my favorite road sweptback bar.
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-5 tommc...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> either bullmoose bars, or run some North Road bars upside down...
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:06:38 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
 There was an Instagram post showing that Riv has prototype samples of 
 all sizes of RoadUno, inviting us to come test ride them.  I just emailed 
 Will to find out if they really have a 57 ready to test ride for me.  Has 
 anybody ridden one at RBWHQ?

 I haven't seen numbers yet, but since they say "designed for swept 
 bars" I'm going to take them at their word that I won't be putting drops 
 on 
 a RoadUno.  I think my urbanscorcher version of a RoadUno might have Riv 
 Bullmoose bars.  What would you run?  

 Bill Lindsay
 El Cerrito, CA

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Re: [RBW] Roaduno 2022 concepts

[Eric Daume]

If the RoadUno is designed for swept back bars, the Albastache would have
too much reach for me. I find the ‘stache needs a bit shorter stem than
even a drop bar.

Eric

On Tuesday, March 8, 2022, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> If I wanted a standard drop type of experience I would go with Albastache.
> If I wanted the full sweptback experience the Losco and Choco bars are my
> favorite road sweptback bar.
>
> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 11:27:08 AM UTC-5 tommc...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> either bullmoose bars, or run some North Road bars upside down...
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 8, 2022 at 9:06:38 AM UTC-7 Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> There was an Instagram post showing that Riv has prototype samples of
>>> all sizes of RoadUno, inviting us to come test ride them.  I just emailed
>>> Will to find out if they really have a 57 ready to test ride for me.  Has
>>> anybody ridden one at RBWHQ?
>>>
>>> I haven't seen numbers yet, but since they say "designed for swept bars"
>>> I'm going to take them at their word that I won't be putting drops on a
>>> RoadUno.  I think my urbanscorcher version of a RoadUno might have Riv
>>> Bullmoose bars.  What would you run?
>>>
>>> Bill Lindsay
>>> El Cerrito, CA
>>>
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